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If we are to trade are cy young pitcher away...and hopefully the brewers keep close in the race. Maybe just maybe we can pry both prized AA prospects away from them. Laporta and Gamel would be a huge improvement at 3B and corner outfield, although they are both fielding risks, I believe their bats will speak louder than their defensive abilities. But, if we were to get these two guys...neither one seems like a lead off hitter, assuming Wedge would like to try Sizemore in the 3 hole since we are out of it.

LF/RF- Francisco
CF-Sizemore
LF/RF- Laporta
1B- Garko, Aubrey
2B- Cabrera "unfortunately"
SS- Perralta or Cabrera
3B- Gamel
C- V-Mart
DH- Hafner :\

SP- Carmona, Lee, Laffey, Miller, and a free agent???

We have so many glaring holes right now it is tough to improve them all in one season....look for another bullpen arm and closer, and a MOR starter. And NOT Jason Marquis.

All this talk about Milwaukee being able to pull in Sabathia... how? Would they really involve both LaPorta AND Gamel in a deal for a guy who will leave at the end of the year? Who else do they have to offer? I keep hearing "prospects" but haven't heard any names.

why dont you just go look at their double a team in huntsville

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=559&stn=true&sid=t559

also this was posted in the espn fantasy section written by peter gammons

The Brewers make the most sense if they can figure out a way to take some of the Ben Sheets money and give it to [C.C.] Sabathia. Two of the best evaluators I know say Milwaukee's Huntsville club is the best prospect team in the minors. Another says Huntsville has five legitimate starting major leaguers, and another club rates Huntsville 'the best prospect team our scout's ever seen.' Doug Melvin may not trade shortstop Alcides Escobar, but when you're talking about a bat like Matt LaPorta and a pure hitter like Matt Gamel [both over 1.000 in OPS], there's lots to discuss."

you probably just havent heard of them because they take a back seat to gamel and laporta and thats who most of the people know

There is no way the Indians get Gamel AND LaPorta for just a few months of CC. I can totally see them getting one of the two, and maybe a near-MLB ready pitcher.

Indian fans need to realize that their team sucks!!

I hope this happens simply because it makes the playoff race that much more interesting. I could see ONE of LaPorta/Gamel, Cole Gillespie, and Jeremy Jeffress (I'm sure the Brewers will demand at least one pitcher in return) in exchange for Sabathia. That way, the Indians get their prospects, while the Brewers get CC without giving up too much they can't replace.

Obviously, without a DH, one of their two big Double A bats are expendable and Gillespie, another nice hitter, also projects as a corner outfielder. Jeffress stings a bit, but Sabathia will almost certainly make them forget the troubled, but talented young fireballer in short time. While it's a bit of a war of attrition, since they'll be losing Sheets in the offseason, so long as they can sign Sabathia long-term, his relative youth and proven durability (over Sheets) would likely prove a net gain. Return Gallardo, keep Parra, and fill out the back with the leftovers- whoever is healthy among McClung, Suppan, Capuano, Bush, and Villanueva- and you've got a very solid five; one that would, presumably (I haven't looked at all of the contracts), enjoy the added benefit of depth.

When you then consider the potential Murderer's Row they've got- Fielder, Braun, Hardy, Hart, Weeks (if he ever figures it out), the Matt (or Mat) left over...the NL Central should be the Crew's for the next several years.

Cubs fans beware (and I want to point out...I'm NOT a Brewers fan)

But you do have a point, I would like a young prospect pitcher "RIGHT HANDED" to go along with the rotation...his ceiling has to be higher than Sowers' though! HAH

The Cubs do have enough. It said that the Cubs don't want to give up Sean Gallagher. If they gave up Gallagher, Vitters, Ceda, and Patterson they could get the deal done unless the Brewers make a crazy offer of Gamel and Laporta. But if you take Gallagher out of the Cubs trade offer, they don't have enough. I think the Cubs should crunch and give up Gallagher. If they don't get CC, I could see them offering a package of Vitters, Pie/Colvin, and Gallagher to the Ms for Bedard.

Milehigh,

J.J. Hardy as part of a "Murderers' Row"? Step back from the edge, my friend...

One major problem, Baileys velocity is down and his stuff adn attitude are becoming a problem. Replace Bailey with Cueto and you might be on to something though

wow

1. The reds suck. PERIOD. The last time I checked, they were in last place, behind, none other than, THE PIRATES. Give it up.

2. All of you ignorant cleveland fans know nothing about baseball. There is no way in hell that your oversized ace is worth two of the best prospects ever to come up the brewers organization. So what if the brewers make it to the playoffs this year. Then what. You guys think that just because CC has won a cy young, and has a big name that you can get whatever you want for him.

“If we are to trade are cy young pitcher away...and hopefully the brewers keep close in the race. Maybe just maybe we can pry both prized AA prospects away from them. Laporta and Gamel would be a huge improvement at 3B and corner outfield, although they are both fielding risks, I believe their bats will speak louder than their defensive abilities. But, if we were to get these two guys...neither one seems like a lead off hitter, assuming Wedge would like to try Sizemore in the 3 hole since we are out of it."

-you are obviouly desperate. Cleveland sucks.

MickS,

Bailey STILL has trade value because he is a 22 year-old Pitcher who is still considerd a top prospect and has NO history of arm problems.

As far as Dunn is concerned, look what Cleveland needs and Dunn provides.

The Indians NEED some power and Run production. Dunn can provide that and, since there is the DH in the AL, Dunn's POOR Defense wont be as much of a problem. In Cincinnati, Dunn COSTS the Reds Runs because of his BAD Defense. THis offsets some of his Run production. Plus, because of his size and weight, by the end of the year, he tires out.

Being able to DH a couple of times a week keeps him from hurting the Indians Defensively AND it keeps him fresher, longer as far as his Offense goes.

So, the Indians can much more afford Dunn if he produces Offensively and does NOT hurt the team Defensively (like he does with the Reds). Plus, with the DH, the team isn't hurt as much when Dunn does NOT come through in RBI situations.

In the NL, the Reds have to use a Pitcher to hit so when Dunn fails in RBI situations, it is compounded even more. That isn't true in the AL.

Plus, like I said, Dunn's Wife doesn't want to get too far away from her parents. IF the Reds are TRULY going on a youth movement and are wanting to dump Dunn and KGJ and their salary, then Cleveland makes a LOT of sense for Dunn and Sabathia makes a lot of sense for Cincinnati.

Also, even if Dunn becomes a Free Agent after the year, Cleveland would still be getting a couple of Amatuer Draft picks as compensation for losing him. So, the deal would then be Sabathia to the Reds for a half a year of Dunn, plus Bailey and a couple of Draft picks.

This way, the Indians DON'T look like they are entirely throwing in the towel for this year (which would cause fans to STOP going to games) AND they get some young, inexpensive talent.

Wow... You Cleveland fans always crybaby around because cubs fans like to dream a little, but you guys are just as bad. "Oh, we're gonna get Gamel and LaPorta for TWO MONTHS of C.C." Or it's "we'll get Broxton and Kemp from the Dodgers for C.C.", but you know what? Those teams won't give up the future of their organizations for a rental of C.C. So this race is open to anyone. The Yanks and Red Sox would prefer to sign him, so that could count them out. I'm almost certain that the Dodgers won't give you Kemp, Broxton, or LaRoche. Kemp has like allstar potential. Besides the Dodgers need a bat... The Brewers are the most likely to get C.C. They will only offer ONE of Gamel/LaPorta though, and if they do then you can count the cubbies out, but not now.

For all those saying it is impossible to get Gamel and Laporta we all know that. But the Brewers did say they would give up some of their talent "from most likely AA" to get a rental. That means one of those two guys, and probably a pitcher. If we could get that I would be more than satisfied as we could sign them longterm with limited risk. And the Cubs do have a chance...if everyone else signs, but we just assume what they will offer will not be what Shapiro is looking for. Don;t get so worked up over something that doesn't even involve us except speculating.

“Wow... You Cleveland fans always crybaby around because cubs fans like to dream a little, but you guys are just as bad.”

Yes, I see what you mean… I mean, here we have a whole 1 Indians casually saying “maybe just maybe we can pry both away”. But this apparently asinine hope that he attaches the word “maybe” too is easily as bad as all the Cubs fans running around saying “easily have enough” and trying to force players like Cedeno, Murton, Marshall, Fuld, now Hoffpair, etc down peoples throats in every other post, in sometimes every other thread, as if they are that “valuable”, while simultaneously proclaiming turning it down to be “stupid” ~ right?

Then later on you give yet another post with a theory of the “wont give up top prospects” like Cubs fans have been throwing out there when they hear reporters, scouts or even now the team saying they don’t have what it takes (but ironically, it seems only Cubs fans are saying this as well… weird…) Anyway, lets say that’s true ~ then that’s when the Indians just keep him and take the DPs themselves, just like they said they would probably do to begin with. But hey, whatever Cubs fans need to tell themselves to feel better I guess…

Also as a FYI, its not Indians fans that “crybaby around” (whatever that means anyway) about Cubs fans ~ pretty much everyone that is fed up with the Cubs fans throwing out the “Marshall + Cedeno + Murton easily gets ___insert star___” type stuff in seemingly every other thread... Infact, take a look in this thread; the only person to mention the Cubs were non-Indians fans and Cubs fans themselves…

WHY CUBS FANS DREAM:

(1) We got Aramis Ramirez for Bobby Hill.

(2) We got D. Lee for Hee Sop Choi.

(3) We unloaded the bloated salaries of Todd Hundley and Sammy Sosa.

you keep doing the math and we'll keep dreaming.

darkstar, I actually agree with Adam. I think with the way he is hitting this year (especially with RISP) he is especially attractive to the Brewers and if a CC deal gets done with MIL, I wouldn't be surprised to see Blake as a part of it. Especially judging by the Brewers fans comments in here, they are pretty sick of Bill Hall. If there were a way to get 2 of those Huntsville kids in the same deal, adding Blake might end up being the key to it (can't beleive I just wrote that).

And for those who are saying there is no way Gamel and LaPorta will be in the same deal, realize that they really don't have anywhere to put both of them. LF and 1B are locked down, and with no DH in the NL, they are more valuable to an AL team. Not saying it is likely, just saying it is within the realm of possibility.