Manny To Dodgers, Bay To Red Sox

Yes. Thank you.

How many prospects are the Pirates getting then?

WOW

Whoa...according to SI, Bay to the Dodgers, Manny to the Pirates...then WHO GOES TO THE SOX????
HOLY CRAP

Thank you Ned. Thank you sooooo much. Ned makes the world go round.

GAAHHHH

So...many...conflicting...reports

If the Sox get Bay and the Pirates get prospects from the Dodgers and not the Sox, I'm fine with it.

my head's gonna asplode...but i'll laugh it back together if manny's a pirate.

and it'll fall apart again if kemp goes to boston.

PLEASE be
Bay/Manny ~> Dodgers
Kemp ~> Red Sox

So----asumming this is done:
Pierre back to center?
LA had essentially 4 CF's a half-hour ago.
THEY STILL HAVE ETHEIR KEMP JONES AND PIERRE according to Rosey. LaRoche and unnamed pitching prospect went to Boston/Pit

I think the Pirates get prospects from both teams, they should.

God help Colletti if he traded Kemp for Manny.

damien moss sucks - hasnt played in years. what do tyhey want with him

Hansen, Moss, Laroche, AA pitcher to Pittsburgh, Manny to La, Bay to Boston.

-Cafardo

This deal sucks.

Boston's crappy bullpen got even worse!!

(Dances)

I love this deal.

Trading Hansen, I'm still holding out hope we got Mahay or someone of the like..I wouldn't mind having Jack Wilson here either

Cafardo:

Pittsburg gets: Hanson Moss LaRoche Morris

Dodgers get : Ramirez

Red Sox get : Bay

I'd rather have Bay in LA.

"Boston's crappy bullpen got even worse!!"

I contend that losing Hanson may actually strengthen the Boston bullpen. That guy has some good stuff, but man does he suck sometimes.

must be. Damien was on the Braves last I checked - and is awful.

This thing seems like a friggin disaster.

Who the heck is Damien Moss? Do you mean Brandon Moss?

WEEI just reported that its Brandon Moss not Damien

Great deal for the Pirates.

OK for the Sox since they had to get rid of Manny, and Bay is under control next year at a decent amount.

Dodgers sold off their 3rd baseman of the future for a 2 month rental, albeit one that improves their chances of making the post-season dramatically.

"No money to LA, -cafardo."

Yeah maybe not. BLECH.

ok if we dont give money to la than thi deal is a little more sensible. i hate to lose hansen tho

That's a pretty decent haul for the Pirates.

could it be that Jack Wilson was included in the deal and we don't know yet? that would make the deal a little more balanced for Boston ... and what's LA doing with six outfielders?

Losing Moss hurts more then losing Hansen, that kid cant cut it in this division, to much pressure.

jdubb your a genius, cc completely slipped my mind. that 10.5 million will def come in handy next year. now if we can just get rid of lugo.... hmmm

My reaction:

Wow.

And it's Brandon Moss, not Damein...if that heasn't been said already

The Sox really could have used a bullpen arm in this deal. It's nice they got rid of Manny, but if they really coughed up Moss, Hansen, + Manny it's too much.

You don't worry about position with prospects, especially in the pirates organization. They'll take talent anywhere they can get it.

Positive/Negative- what are you talking about? What's Rosenthal saying. All I'm hearing is LaRoche, Moss, Morris, and Hansen to Pittsburgh...think I'd rather have Brignac and Niemann.

The luster is off LaRoche and the rest are: a reliever (decent, but...I hate reliever prospects; they're like jumbo shrimp- complete oxymoron), a 4th OF, and a former 1st rounder less than a year removed from TJ surgery and not exactly lighting the world on fire...my guess, he's another future reliever. Bucs got boned, you ask me.

Winner: Boston

Get rid of Manny's declining (though still pretty awesome) game and constant bitching and get a comparable, younger replacement. Theo's got some Jedi mind trick thing working or somethin'. Ridiculous.

So red sox give Manny Ramirez, the balance of his contract, brandon moss and Craig Hansen for Jason Bay? Does that sound to anyone else like Boston gave up a lot for someone thats inferior to Manny?

"lol i love it. 2 prospects, 7 mil, and manny for jason bay. happy day for the yankees ... bay sure as hell wont hit .500 against them."

Bay, however, will play every remaining game against the Yankees.

And suddenly Pittsburgh has a future. They easily win this one. Dodgers probably come out as the biggest "losers" only in the sense their defense in left has become a liability... Manny is a good defender in Fenway because he's learned to use the wall, but that's it. The only way to say Boston came out ahead is the acknowledge Manny was a pain. Too bad, I always thought Hansen's breaking material was some of the nastiest I had ever seen, he just never used it right... and I had always hoped Moss would get a shot.

Both the Dodgers and Red Sox are immediate winners, but I think pitt is the longterm winner. They gave up their best player overall but got in return a great young prospect and theyre finally beginning to build a solid base for the future. Still many long years away from being a contender, if they ever get there. Now they just need to focus on signing pedro.

Moran....agreed, however, you do when those propects are expected to be in the majors around the same time. Maybe LaRoche ends up moving to first with the "other" LaRoche out with a back injury, but Alvarez will be there soon and then you are stuck with 2 guys, same position and not other place to put them. Outfield will be filled in two years. So while I agree that current position designation shouldn't deter a team from going after talent, I am still a bit confused how the Bucs didn't get Kemp or at least Either.

theo didnt give up anything we needed, Hansen cant cut it here so hes useless and Moss has no where to play. Sox dont win or lose in this trade, we are right back where we started, the only person that is happy im sure is Manny, but for what no one knows

"letsgoyankees im glad you traded for nady and marte they are chocking under the spotlights in NY like so many before them"

nady and marte are choking? i think they deserve a little more than 3 games to start calling them busts. we'll see how bay does going from the pirates to the AL east.

Yeah, its Brandon Moss, not Damien. I'm pretty sure Damien's a pitcher, not an OF.

Ned Colletti fails. If the Dodgers don't make the playoffs, people will be calling for his head.

Jdubb good point. In college Alvarez played first abse so knwo knows maybe he'll be the replacement for Adam Laroche. Hey The LaRoche brothers are on the same team.

Rangersfan....you have to understand they won't have a hole in the outfield next year, and they don't have to pay $20M to fill it. They can then use that money to pursue a big-name starter. So while they "paid" a lot right now, they are also looking toward the future without effecting this year's club negatively (for the most part).

I tend to think ALL teams potentially win in this deal, though I'm still trying to figure out the outfield logjam there. I really liked LaRoche but with DeWitt and possibly Casey Blake if they resign him it's obvious they didn't fit LaRoche in with their future plans and at least for his sake he gets to be with his bro. The Dodgers get an immediate impact bat that they were lacking and assuming they lose him and offer arbitration they get a type A draft compensation for him (they're potentially loading up on high picks for next year). The Red Sox get a really solid replacement player. I know everyone thinks someone has to win and lose but frankly I see all the teams as winning this one.

Morris can be a good pitcher , too but he wasn't really fitting in with Dodgers future plans either. Probably a year or two away.

This will give Masterson a bullpen spot

"Happy day for Yankees? Nope. A happy day for the Yankees would be getting rid of the ridiculous contracts of Abreu ... and Giambi ... and Jeter ... and Pavano ... and Damon ... and how about that tremendous four-year deal for Posada? GENIUS! And wait until you dingleberries pony up four years and $100 million for Manny this offseason ... choke on it, yanker"

Abreu, pavano and giambi will be off the books after this season, and they already dumped farnsworth. Damon is 2nd on the team in avg, so dont understand the problem there.

"How can the Red Sox be winners? They traded Manny, Brandon Moss, and Hansen for Jason Bay. They also gave the dodgers 7mm. How can that trade be worth anything? That is the worst trade I have ever seen unless the Sox also got prospects."

How can you possibly say that? The Red Sox got a guy who is a pretty damn good hitter, a better fielder, and a more dedicated player than Manny. They may have lost a little offensive power, but they've made it up in terms of defense.

Everybody knew that the Sox wanted Manny out -- so the fact that Theo could parlay that into Jason Bay and ONLY give up two mediocre prospects?

"He adds that the Red Sox will pay the $7MM remaining on Manny's contract."

So basically what you're telling me here is the Dodgers Got Manny for nothing?
Andy LeRoche and Bryan Morris are grape jelly...

Apparently the sox were indeed desperate to off this guy.

"Pierre back to center?"

Not as I see it. Pierre is going to the bench and will probably platoon with Ethier. Pierre against LHP and Ethier against RHP. Manny in right against LHP, left against RHP.

"Dodgers probably come out as the biggest "losers" only in the sense their defense in left has become a liability..."

Eh, not really. It was either Pierre's noodle arm or Manny's fielding antics. Manny can still gun the ball and Kemp can cover a fair bit of the ground Pierre would have.

Masterson already has a bullpen spot as the long reliever. we must be getting aardsma back soon thats what they have to be counting on. either that or a minor leaguer like bowden or something will make the jump here in a little to fill that spot.

Lets go yankees you have got to be kidding me, this is a good day for you? you do nothing to help your team, we rid ourselves of cancer and get out left fielder of the future. stupidity