Brewers Close To Acquiring C.C. Sabathia

HAHAHA it could happen...then all the brewers fans will get mad and all the cubs fans will b celebrating ANOTHER NLC championship. Oh yea the cubs have scored 475 runs.

I don't know if the they would deal in the same division, but knowing that Harang is available should be tempting for teams. He flies under the big names radar, but he's nasty. A good quality arm...I'd take him in a heartbeat

It amazes me how much people don't understand things. LaPorta is blocked at every position he is possible of playing by Fielder, Braun and Hart. His purpose is as a trade chip, hence why he is the perfect headliner for a deal such as this.

CC is fat. Better hope that CC will hit homers all the time. Also Prince is a big boy too. Might not be the best team but for sure will be the BIGGEST

Who cares what Dusty wants? Dusty isn't the GM. Plus, no GM trades either their number #1 or #2 starter, whichever Harang might be considered, within the division. Especially when Harang is signed for such an affordable salary.

I'm a Reds fan and I hate Dusty more than anyone. I wasn't referring to your comment, but to "cubs land"s above you. And I'd put Volquez in that reliable category along with Harang wouldn't you? :-)

J-Money,
I will bet the last part of your name that GMs trade their aces and #2 guys. Harden and Blanton from Oakland are both on the block. CC just got traded today he was the the ace of the tribe. So I don't know where your comin from where GMs don't trade their 2 best pitchers. Lets just hope that Cubs do trade for Harden from Oakland in a deal that will not include Gallagher.

I know if Forlife61 sees this he's going to comment back to what I said and make me look dumb because thats what he tried to do last time.

Anyone know a deal without Gallagher that would land the Cubs Harden?

God I hate Cubs fans. I guess ignorance really is bliss.

Why do you hate cubs fans? Trust me when i go to a cubs/brewers game the brewers fans make themselves look like IDIOTS. TheNatural answer why you hate cubs fans?

" What no Rich Hill, Colvin, Cedeno for Harden yet?"
Must not forlife61. You got your guy so be happy. But dont be to happy again all you have is the WC...face it the cubs are good

Glover28 You made yourself sound stupid when you said the cubs are going to choke because they cant win on the road. Buddy brewers are 21-26 and the cubs are 20-26. Your stupid, must be a brewers fan, who knew? Stupid

Knowing Jim Hendry instead of going after A.J. Burnet he is going to overpay for a guy like Randy Wolf who has had an awful season this year.

Also does anyone know of any other available starters other than those two?

I heard that Matt Murton could get traded to the Rays, Andy Sonastine maybe? (not enough for Rays?) They should do a 3 team deal involving the Cubs, Rockies, and Rays.

cubs land, shut the hell up. You are the definition of a snot nosed arrogant cub fan. You are simply trying to start an argument to hide your own insecurities, you are worried. The cubs magical season may be spiraling down the drain because the brewers got CC. All we can do is wait and see. Shut the hell up, and get a life.

glover28, you made a comment about the Cubs saying the Cubs are goin to choke on the road. Cubs land was just proving you wrong as in no Brewer fan should be talking about the Cubs on the road because they are about the same. Next time be sure you know what what your talking about before you say it. I've done it before to ask forlife61 he pretty much sinks anyones battleship when he thinks their not right.

Dev0, there's no salary cap in baseball. And in your scenario, how are the Brewers getting Burnett if they keep Gamel? With Escobar?

Glover28 is upset cuz somebody caught him while he was trying to make some off point. Sucks and yes i think it will be a cubs/brewers series. I am not goign to keep mouth shut. Its a free world and i can do whatever i want. THanks tho! Your the one getting upset maybe you jsut know im right. I can talk for many cubs fans as we are not that worrries

Escobar or Hardy, Also I know there is no Salary cap, but this free's up money to hand out more long term contracts or bring in some other stuff via Free agency.

However I see the Brewers more then likely wanting to deal Weeks for something, and maybe Move Hardy or Escobar to 2nd?

Cubbies2008,
Not sure why you are attacking me, a fellow Cubs fan. I'm assuming that since the A's are 6 games above .500 and 6 back in the AL West as well as only 3.5 out in the wildcard that Billy Beane isn't planning on trading his pitchers. Plus Beane has a history of ludicrous demands for his players. If your statement is true, is Carmona next up on the Indians trading block? All I was saying is that Aaron Cook could come a little cheaper and provide similar production as Harden with less injury risk.

Also, Blanton is the #2 on the A's?? His 5-11 record with a 4.76 era belies that statement. In fact, you could probably make a case that Duchscherer is more valuable right now than Harden. I think I'd take Eveland and Smith too before I'd take Blanton.

Not sure what the point of your response was, but please fill me in.

congrats to brewer fans for getting cc ... with that being said im ready for it to be over now all you have heard over the last month or so is cc this and cc that now hopefully this ends all the cc talk and other trades can happen and get some publicity

Does anyone else think C.C. could be flipped for Major League talent in a few weeks? They won't resign him anyway.

Why do Cubs fans feel the need to make this topic into Cubs chat?

100% agree with J-money. The cubs needed a SP before this trade. But they would be okay if they didnt or if they traded for a Wolf or what not. But with this trade now the cubs need to get a big name that could be a ace or a #2. So i think the names are forced in from a Wolf to a Burnett, Harden, Cook, maybe even a Matt Cain. The Cubs need to get a big name now!

Cubs prospects. LOL!

Cubs land is right we need a big name starter. I perfer Cook, or Harden. Cubs have the prospects/ players to get it done. Those people are.....
Rich Hill
Sean Marshall
Jose Ceda*
Tony Thomas
Ronny Cedeno*
Matt Murton
Eric Patterson
Carlos Marmol*
Kevin Hart*
Josh Vitters*
Micah Hoffpauir
Tyler Colvin*
Chris Huseby
Sean Gallagher*
Felix Pie
Donnie Veal
Welington Castillo*
Josh Donaldson
Larry Suarez
Jeff Samardzija*
*- means I would have 2nd thoughts on trading that person.

Can anyone else see a trade between LA and Mil? A Lowe for Hardy swap?

Lowe becomes the new closer and Torres moves to set-up maybe?

la16
no because LA is in need of a pitcher, they wanted CC. j-money there are alot of packages the cubs can made, but i HOPE to god they dont trade marmol. J-money you see the Royals getting into talk again about Zack Greinke OR Gil Meche with the cubs? The royals had talks with the cubs last year, but will they explore again?

J-Money, like you said earlier, there are some non-Cub fans on this site who have set up a straw man that they continue to take down and rebuild after every Cub related post.

As far as this deal is concerned, any Cub fan knows this deal makes the Brewers better on paper. Whether it makes them better than the Cubs remains to be seen. The Brewers played well most of the season last year until their young team wilted under the pressure of a pennant race. This year they've made their comeback under the radar while everyone was watching the Cubs and Cardinals. The Sabathia deal will once again bring the spotlight on Milwaukee. In my opinion, this race will depend less on Sabathia and more on whether or not the rest of that team has grown and learned from the experience of last year. If the rest of the team folds again, Sabathia ain't gonna save them by himself. If they keep playing like they have the past month for the rest of the year, the Cubs will have their hands full.

how the hell can people think the brewers can win the WC now? You got a ONE pitcher. Your 3,4,5 starters are not good. You still have no chance. Aww look the cubs are going to get Harden. Good luck next year Brewers. Have to be a favorite for a WC spot? Dude they got CC not Chase Utley. Hey when you get off fantasy land let people know. THanks for the laugh this morning

cubs land, you are th most ignorant cubs fan I have ever run in to. The brewers just added one of the top 5 pitchers in the game. We have the two best pitchers in the NL Central on our club, and we have an incredible offense. The brewers are not looking at the wild card. The brewers are winning the division, and going deep into the playoffs. Get over yourself, and stop kidding yourself.

Cubs fans (again, not all of you) are so stupid. They act for months as if CC is already on the Cubs, and that the WS is theirs. Now Milwaukee lands him, and is almost definitely the new best team in the Central. And the Cub fans act as if they are glad this happened. It is hilarious. Even if CC does walk, Melvin can build more of a system in the first round next year with his 5 picks then the Cubs could build in 3 years. He will replace Laporta easily. The Brewers system will be even better this time next year then it was before Laporta was dealt.

Now since CC is gone, I see Cub fans throwing out other star pitchers (Cook, Hudson, Grienke, Harden) as if these other teams will just give away their star pitchers. It is just ridiculous.

You're right, nrmax88. I'm completely illiterate. But please, humor my abject ignorance. Find me a post where a fellow moronic Cubs fan thought Sabathia could have been acquired for Felix Pie and Angel Guzman. Or that Harden could be had for Rich Hill straight up. I bet you come up empty. Sabathia would have been awesome to have on the Cubs, but it was never realistic. Sabathia was the best pitcher available via trade and the Brewers, who were serious contenders before Sabathia's acquisition, have now forced the Cubs to make a corresponding big move. Go back in these posts and show off those spectacular reading comprehension skills. The Cubs fans here a naming alternatives, but not once has a Cubs fan suggested any of those alternatives will come cheap.

I know ad hominem attacks are fun, especially when your target is simpleton Cubs fans, but try to be honest. I did, however, enjoy your little prom queen analogy. That is definitely a way I would describe Cubs fans.

wayne gomes,

I asked for evidence of a Cubs fan who thought the Cubs could field the best offer for Sabathia. If a Cubs fan thinks that Sabathia won't make a difference for the Brewers, then they are wrong. The Brewers were probably the frontrunner for the wildcard nevertheless the division without Sabathia. But that isn't the ridiculous trade proposal that I asked for. As for Harden, he was saying that he believes Harden may not be as pricey as we all think, which probably isn't true given past hauls by Beane for players like Kotsay and Haren. He never posted a ridiculous offer, however, that no GM, even on their worst day, would pull the trigger on.

But thanks for being a little more civil than nrmax.

“For all you Cubs haters here, you've really set up a straw man on this site. I haven't seen or read a Cubs fan here who thought the Cubs could field a better offer for Sabathia. Or that Rich Harden could be had for the spare parts on the Cubs farm. Don't let for fiery hatred of the Cubs make you read things that don't exist.” (J-Money)

…Interesting post given in a “Brewers close…” thread. A thread with about 110 posts overall, and atleast 50% (or more) being Cubs fans despite that team not even being mentioned. So, it got the office here thinking ~ would be fun to compile a nice little tribute to that “straw man” and recap the way things have went this last week (yeah, sorry ~ only a bout a week included on these, we don’t have time for more right now). So we pulled up about 5 or 6 threads (many of which didn’t pertain to the Cubs at all to start) and compiled this little ditty which we would call:

*** The Straw-Man speaks, endlessly, and more often than not, incoherently ***

“Cubs don't believe they have enough to get him.” (Peter Gammons)

“Yes, CC will be a Cub, it is inevitable, you can't stop the Cubs train. Ronny Cedeno and Kevin Hart, that would be a great haul for the Indians.” (Johnny Rotten) “Cubs don't have enough? Huh? Felix Pie Ronny Cedeno Sean Gallagher Matt Murton Jose Ascanio Kevin Hart Rich Hill Eric Patterson Micah Hoffpauir Tyler Colvin Sam Fuld Josh Vitters Jason Marquis Just to mention a few. Are we really to believe that Hendry couldn't package up some number of the players to get Sabathia?” (vegasvic) “The Cubs do have enough.” (Joe)

“Cubs have very good players to offer, if they have to.” (Cubs World Champs please B4 I die) “They have Fuld, Murton, Gallagher, Marshall, Petrick, and Patterson that are all MLB ready for the tribe next season plus a host of other good prospects that may entice a team that is most likely going to be competitive while doing a minor rebuild.” (airassault101) “If they offer Gallagher, Vitters, Ceda, and Patterson, they could get it done.” (Joe) “Also untouchable- Micah Hoffpauir.” (EdmondsForMVP) “Oh, yeah. Micah Hoffpair can hit, too.” (Cubs World Champs please B4 I die)

“As always, the issue is not what teams *could* offer for Sabathia, it's what they *will* offer. Seems many here are ready to assume that packages headed by at least one elite prospect are going to be available to the Indians. I think this is a foolish thing to assume. The industry's changed, and the days of selling the farm for a 2-month rental are over.” (davearm) “If the Brewers offer Gamel and Escobar or Parra, though, then they get him. If the Rays offer Davis and Brignac, then the'll get him. If the Red Sox offer Lowrie, Bowdan, and another prospect, the'll get him. I don't see any of the situations likely. Which means the Cubs get their man.” (cubs4ever) “We all know that C.C will end up in a Cubs uniform by the end of the season!” (Lonestar09) “If the Cubs want CC, they'll get him. Period.” (Johnny Rotten)
“Vitters/Murton/Cedeno/Marshall easily gets Sabathia. That package is probably one of the best the Indians would hear for CC...” (cubs4ever) “I think that Gallagher, Pie, and Ceda should be plenty to get Harden or Sabathia.” (TheGrinch) “Josh Vitters could get it done for the Cubs I think. Maybe Jose Ceda also.” (ballerwhiteboy) “I think the Cubs should any of their young players who aren't named Vitters, Gallagher, Soto, or Marmol for CC or Harden.” (Aduncaroo) “Cubs give up something like Gallagher, Colvin, Howry, and Cedeno (sub veal, Ceda, or anyone else), and the Indians gave up CC.” (Aduncaroo) “Indian fans need to realize that their team sucks!!” (DerSchlachter) “We'll see what you have to say August 1st.” (Cubs World Champs please B4 I die)
“Yea get him!! Still won't help them catch the Cubs and the Cards.” (cubs land) “The acquistion of Sabathia will make the Brewers the odds-on favorite to win the Central. Just like the acquisition of Santana made the Mets the odds-on favorite to win the NL...Ooops.” (crunchy1) “I'm really not too worried about the Brewers getting CC, if that is indeed what happens.” (Johnny Rotten) “I'm happy to let the Brew Crew have him” (Aduncaroo) “the Cubs will offset any CC move.” (Cubs World Champs please B4 I die) “I don't care if they get him” (cubs4ever) “We'll just chase after Harden. :P” (cubs4ever) “You still have no chance” (cubs land) “C.C. loses to White Sox, giving up 4 HRs. We already have guys who can do that.” (Cubs World Champs please B4 I die) “what is bigger news: Brewers getting CC OR Soriano coming back?” (cubs land)

“Oh and by the way if the cubs dont get him by then he will still come to the cubs and stay long term after we win the WORLD SERIES!!!!!!” (Lonestar09) “Cubs will sign him to a mega-deal in the offseason and voila” (Johnny Rotten) “if CC is not going to east or west coast, nor back to Cleveland, he will sign with the Cubs, not Milwaukee!” (Cubs World Champs please B4 I die) “Why would ANYBODY want to be with the Brewers?” (cubs land)

“On another note, what is up with all this people bashing us Cub fans.” (ChiCubs12)

"That is definitely a way I would describe Cubs fans."

My prom queen analogy was only talking about one Cub fan.

As for the finding an example of a post where a Cub fan said they were the favorites for CC for their pile of scrubs, just check out the thread where, oh wait, just check any comments section of any story for the last 2 months. You cannot be serious. They are everywhere.

“Please dont talk bad about me..thanks...i dont are what people say the Brewers wont win the division and will have to beat the Cards to even get in the playoffs!”

…Hahaha, so a guy walks into someone elses city (a city he was never asked to be a part of), opens fire on anything and everything he sees with no discernable motivation other than being completely out of his mind and swallowed by his own personal issues ~ but says “please don’t shoot back” when people return fire? Oh, and to top it all off, he says it directly before firing off more shots?

Wow… Someone contact Websters; Ignorance has a new name which needs to be added to the books…

GO CUBBIES

Thank you for reminding me of these quotes, dark-the-12-yr-old-girl:

“the Cubs will offset any CC move.”

“We'll see what you have to say August 1st.”

"if CC is not going to east or west coast, nor back to Cleveland, he will sign with the Cubs, not Milwaukee!”

I stand by all 3, and everything else I say too. Aduncaroo could go find all the stupid things you say, but it really wouldn't be worth it, because there is TOO MUCH TO GO THROUGH. I can't believe you're still on this thread, I don't think more than 2 people even saw how hard you worked on that last post. Sorry, girlfriend! Better luck on future threads! Now change your tampon, jerk.

I'm with you Cubs World Champs... I stand by what I said as well. Sabathia is no more a guarantee than Santana supposedly was at the time of that deal. It's not knocking Sabathia or the Brewers, it's just the way it is. I'm sure Brewer fans are smart enough to know that this the acquisition doesn't guarantee anything...just as any Cub fan knows that the Sabathia acquisition makes the Brewers a better team on paper. We'll play it out and see what happens. Sorry to disappoint the Cub haters, but I'm not going to think the sky is falling just because the Brewers acquired a good pitcher. Good for them. Now let the best team win.

before the best team wins..wait and see what the Cubs will do...deal?

Hahaha ~ ok, I’ll humor the absolute ignorance of it for a second…

“1) Andy Marte is the next Brandon Phillips. He said it THIS year!”
…No, no I didn’t ~ said they didn’t want to watch him go elseware and become Marte…

“2) Choo is a top 50 prospect...THIS year!”
…No, no I didn’t ~ said he was a top-50 prospect the last time he was eligible… (actually, not sure I said top-50 ~ top-100 though. And I must say, I sure am embarrassed I said that with Choo’s line and all (.244/.364/.400, 104 OPS+)

“3) Jay Payton would be the DEFENSIVE replacement for Felix Pie.”
…hummm, said he would give him days off and be a late inning replacement… Come to find out though, he would have been the everyday starter as Pie went down to AAA to not hit…

“4) David Murphy is proven against lefties. This was said when he had all of 22 ABs last year. By the way, he's hitting .220 against them this year.”
…Huh? I can only go by scouting reports, and I read scouting reports which said he had thrived against Lefties. But I guess you were more correct when you said Murton was far and away the better option for the Rangers in the OF ~ I mean, all Murphy has done is go .271/.309/.453 (103 OPS+)… Tex sure is stupid for not instead wanting to play .250/.286/.300 (53 OPS+) Matt Murton instead…

5) He once went on for hours about how great Jeremy Sowers is (ummm...7.53 ERA)
…Ok really, where the F* do you even come up with this crap? I defended someone else you were trying to illogically attack ~ a person who said that he could be included in a package for Atkins. Now you try to throw it at me? What a tool man…

6) Said the Cubs have no one good enough to trade for Jhonny Peralta (ummm....298 OBP). Ok.
…Huh? The only Peralta conversation I have had with Cubs Homers is one in which I continually told those Cubs Homers that he isnt being traded so they shouldn’t bring his name up in every other thread.

7)Said Scott Rolen would have a better year than Aramis Ramirez (last year)
…Huh? This is that pitiful crap Adun obsesses over. Two years ago he wanted to make a conversation about Ramirez vs Rolen, I told him I would be fine with either going forward… He was insuring us a “breakout year” for Ramirez, things I pointed to were the declining SLG (now sitting at a decrease for the 5th straight year) and probable injury problems in the future (and he was hurt ~ playing only 132 on the year)

8)Drafted Rich Hill on his fantasy baseball team.
…No I didn’t, I inherited Rich Hill on a fantasy team. Whats the big deal about that? And how are you trying to bring up sh!t you obviously know nothing about? Are you that hard up to troll?

9) Thought the Indians could get Brian Roberts with a package that included Marte, Choo, and Josh Barfield. And that that offer was far better than what the Cubs had. Yikes!
… Funny, I made a point of never giving a package in that thread because I know you often try to bait people into arguments, twist their words then later troll them and try to throw things in their face ~ yet you are here now doing what? Interesting…

“10) Called Bedard a #1 stud starter.”
…Hahaha, what? I sure don’t remember such a thing ~ do remember saying I think he could be poised to break out, but don’t remember ever calling him a stud. Also remember telling some tool (most likely you I guess) that reaching the 200 IP mark doesn’t prove or disprove “Ace”, but what does that have to do with anything? Now he has proven himself a joke and you are brining it up because you don’t know what to say in the face of your being a complete and utter tool? Interesting…

“That's only a sample... You gotta take Dark with a grain of salt. He's a little grandiose in a harmless posting sort of way. But... You can always count on a toadie like Forlife to be impressed.”

…Oh, ok ~ a “sample” of things you made up or are trying to somehow twist into something it isnt despite there blatantly being nothing to it? Interesting… But if it somehow makes you feel like you are almost a man by saying crap that aint true in a pitiful attempt to try and put someone else down because they made Cubs-Trolls look like an ass ~ well, more power to you I guess…

That's some pretty serious backpedalling... but I guess I can't blame you for trying to distance yourself from those little gems. The point of that little exercise was that it's not just Cub fans who say ridiculous things on occassion. Considering that you have made some odd statements in the past, I found it amusing to read that you had swept in on your high horse again to take swipes at Cub fans and their comments.

" Choo is a top 50 prospect...THIS year!”
…No, no I didn’t

Yes, yes you did. You said that if they included him, they would be offering the O's multiple top 50 or 100 prospects, and counted him! He hasn't qualified in years, but that didn't matter to you.

Please don't lie. At least tell the truth about the comments that you make.

"Its not like I’m a Cards fan at all, WTF would I care about Rolen?"

Because you were doing what you always have done, get involved in a Cubs conversation trying to bash whomever the Cubs fan at the time was touting. Stop lying to try and make yourself look better. You said it, now own up to it!

You are obviously the one obsessed with the Cubs fans and getting involved in every Cubs thread and conversation. Look at the last year, and you are in about 90% of every Cubs thread talking trash. Who is the pathetic obsessed one? I think its obvious...

~~~*sigh*~~~

Alas, I have found darkstar's true identity. Darkstar is a girl! I knew it! Or possibly a pre-pubescent boy into girl comic characters.

This from Wikipedia:
"Darkstar (Laynia Petrovna) is a fictional character, a mutant superheroine in the Marvel Comics universe. She has been a member of various super-teams in her career and ultimately died as a member of the X-Corporation in New X-Men #130..."

There is also a picture of darkstar there.

And you can tell from his (her) increasingly ~ erratic... ~ posts... ~ sigh ~ that his (her) panties are super-extra tw!sted, as if he (she) feels ~ anything ~ down ~there...anyway.

Hahhaaahaha