Dunn Trade Details

Wow, they are really lucky if that's true. He would be great for them

Did Dunn even clear waivers?

My fault, I see that the article says he would start in Rightfield. That does not seem logical though. I would think Conor Jackson could play right better than Dunn.

Perhaps this move would put Jackson back at first full time and send Tracy to the bench.

The fact that the news is coming from a radio station and nowhere else leaves me a bit skeptical about it.

And to 7thinningstretch, I'm assuming that Dierkes assumed Dunn would play RF in Arizona because Conor Jackson is playing LF (and has been great with the bat this year). The RF spot, however, is played by Chris Burke and Alex Romero, both of whom aren't that important for Arizona right now. Conor Jackson can't play RF, even compared to Dunn... therefore, that would leave Dunn to play RF or to have Jackson move back to 1B and their infield possibly being shuffled about.

Ahhh, just saw the new updates from MLB and FOX. Surprising move, definitely.

I guess Arizona felt they needed a boost after seeing Manny ripping it in LA.

I love Josh Byrnes.

Dying to see what AZ gave up. This could be a huge win for them.

And if it turns out that AZ gave up very little why the heck didn't Cinci move him at the deadline. Has anything fundamentally changed in the past 2 weeks?

Does this mean Reynolds to 2B?

Wow. I agree that Josh Byrnes is generally awesome, and this move is indicative of his awesomeness. At the same time, he never should have given (unrelated) Eric Byrnes a 3-year, $30 million contract last year when his system was loaded with you, cheap outfielders. Imagine where the D-Backs would have been this year if they hadn't sold low on Quentin and just let Byrnes walk last offseason!

Crappy organization of the day award goes to:
(1) LA Dodgers - for not putting in a claim to block the D-Backs from making a move on Dunn. They had better waiver position and everyone knew the Reds weren't going to just give Dunn away. The Dodgers could have blocked by putting in a claim, then just not offering anything in return.
(2) Houston Astros - they lose Carlos Lee for the rest of the year and pass on a possible replacement (who is originally from Texas)? They are crazy for thinking they can compete, and even more crazy for not putting in a waiver claim on Dunn if they are actually trying to compete.

Not putting in a waiver claim is further proof that both Colletti and Wade are poor GM's. It is just too obvious a move for both ballclubs.

This could help the Dbacks on two fronts they will win the Division and it could help them set the record for the most strikeouts by a team in one season.

Now that Dunn is gone, the Reds have essentially 25 million in salary they had tied up in 2 players this year... Is it possible the Reds could be loading up to pursue Sabathia or Holliday? I can only dream...

"Dunn is a K machine, no need for the dodgers to worry. AZ lost Hudson for the year, that team is done."

I'd say when you aquire Manny Ramirez and you still can't make up ground on your divison leader and you are still under .500 that you NEED to worry Dunn is a K machine agreed but the DBacks have been doing ok with Reynolds and Young who strikeout more than Dunn. Diamondbacks win that division and Dodgers cry about missing the playoffs again.

I'm so confused right now, how is this a good deal for the reds? the centerpiece is dallas buck AND they have to eat salary? WHAT?!

Josh Byrnes didn't do the Eric Byrnes deal. Moorad overruled him and did that deal.

2 games above .500 and they are in first place, that is just sad for the division. Getting Dunn prob means that they will finish about .500 which then means a division title.

GO CUBBIES

I can't believe I'm defending Ed Wade here, but considering there is a 48 hour window once the claim was made then there is no way the Astros passed on Dunn after the Lee injury. I guess it's bad luck for the Astros that Dunn wasn't put on waivers a day later. Or maybe good luck considering it would have been just another chance for Wade to make-believe his team is in the playoff race.

Well this could mean Reynolds or Upton to second base, i say move Reynolds and prepare him for next season cause I don't see Hudson coming back (although he may be cheaper now). Upton might be a good choice though cause he did play shortstop when he was originally drafted if I remember right.

"Do you know the guy doesn’t really like baseball that much?"

Very nice! Im just glad to see Dunn leave the Central, he F----- kills the Cubs, hopefully we wont have to see him again!

Longoria's and Crawford's injuries could force the Rays to make a trade. Sheffield, anyone?

Actually, a player on the 40 man CAN'T be a PTBNL.

the reds assistant GM said the players have already been decided on, they just have to "go through all the procedures"

I think yanksfan might be right about the 40 man thing. Otherwise, they'd have to clear waivers, no?

With that question still up in the air, The Globalizer's Owings theory is an interesting one. Owings, for all his problems this year, is still a promising player due to his makeup and baseball IQ. It's funny how quickly the tide turns. I remember early in the year when Yanks fans were bitching about how close they were to getting Owings in the Randy Johnson deal and plenty of other fans would've killed to have Owings as their future No. 3 or 4. He'll be alright with a little work and might mitigate what otherwise looks like a terrible deal for the Reds.

Another option on the PTBN front is Miguel Montero. The Reds designated Ross this week and really have no catcher moving forward (Paul Bako?). Montero is still just 24 and a couple years removed from being one of the game's top catching prospects...a kid with monster power and an all-around quality bat. He moves well behind the plate and has rare athleticism for a catcher. I could definitely see him turning it around with a fresh start elsewhere. There's just too much talent there and he isn't getting his reps sitting behind Snyder (a much superior defender at present). Montero has the goods to become an above average MLB regular and would be a great 'get' in this instance.

Buck has some promise, but the health issues are a red flag. He's struggled a bit in coming back from a shoulder injury, but his stuff- when healthy- is pretty darned good. Also- and I'm getting this from BA for what that's worth- the D'backs were pretty impressed with how well his stuff played while HURT. The idea being that, healthy, he could be a beast.

For the Reds, it all comes down to those PTBN guys. If neither Owings, nor Montero...or Tracy for that matter, is included, I think you'd have to describe the move as a colossal failure.

For the 'backs...well, other posters have put it nicely: Byrnes is simply one of the top executives working in baseball right now. Aside from the Eric Byrnes signing (I'm not going to quibble with who is actually to 'blame'), his track record is fantastic. And while many of the club's top young players were actually drafted prior to his watch, credit has to be given for showing patience (with most- Quentin the notable exception) and working a plan.

The Quentin deal never made much sense to me, but even THAT trade had a hand in the Haren move: Chris Carter for whom Quentin was moved, was part of the deal that brought Haren from the A's.

Perhaps the biggest coup of this deal for Dunn is that the D'backs can and probably will take advantage of Dunn's big bat for the rest of the season, then offer arbitration and watch what happens. If he accepts, they get a big bopper to add a bit more punch to an OF that projects for ridiculous present- and future- production: Justin Upton, Chris Young, and Dunn. You've got a former All Star in Byrnes as your 4th OF'er!!!

Better yet, if Dunn passes, its two more picks for the 'backs, who have set themselves up for an absolute bonanza in next year's draft- supposedly the best and deepest since '05.

Hudson is sure to be Type A and now seems almost certain to go (though you can bet the 'backs will offer arbitration- it's a no lose situation). That's 2 picks. Also, both Lyon and Cruz are likely Type B's and possible A's. They'd almost be better off if the two were both B's but it doesn't matter- considering the premium placed on bullpen help these days and their reasonable current salaries, they too will almost certainly be offered arbitration. Again, if they decline, more picks. Now Dunn, another certain Type A gives them further opportunity. He's not so sure a bet- which, I'm sure, is why Cincy was willing to deal him for scraps- but there's still a very real chance that Arizona will offer him arbitration, since their payroll isn't particularly high right now and it would only be one year.

It's HIGHLY unlikely EVERYTHING will break their way, but still pretty scary that a team as loaded with young talent as Arizona- poised to compete for the NL West crown for at least the next 5 or 6 years already- could, potentially, have 9 picks between the first, supplemental first, and second rounds of one of the most talent-laden drafts of the last decade. Wow!

"C. Trent Rosecrans says the Mariners, Giants, Padres, or Nationals claimed Owings"

Ya think?? I bet every one of those teams would put a claim on him. Pretty stupid to think they could get a live arm like Owings through waivers. If anything, they could give the guy an outfielders glove and he could hit 20+ homers a year for a team.

I hitting pitcher like Owings totally changes the roster dynamics. It almost becomes a 26 man roster...on days he doesn't pitch.

Awesome move by Walt.

Why does it matter that the Mariners claimed Owings? Should the Reds be higher on the waiver priority since the D-Backs and Reds are both NL teams?

Unless I'm mistakened myself, I dont believe C. Trent Rosecrans, or ESPN for that matter, understands how the waiver process works....Seattle does not matter

i have no problem with this deal as a reds fan. we got a couple pretty young pitchers and a catching prospect. There was no guarentee the reds would get two draft picks next year anyway because they would have had to offer dunn arbitration and he would have had to reject it for the reds to get the picks. also the way things are looking the reds might not be signing yonder alonso so if that happens they should get 2 top 10 picks in a deeper draft next year