Sherman's Latest: Yankees' Off-Season Plans

I really don't think Phil Hughes could land anything right now. You'd be selling VERY low on him as he hasn't been able to stay healthy for 2 straight seasons and even when he is, he hasn't been very effective.

I'm sure they'd love Victorino, but who do they have to land him?

not those three--- but i can see a cano for a laffey or sowers?? that may actually help both teams

Cano is a talented young ballplayer but he's really hurting his value with his lazy, lackluster performance this year. Maybe a change of scenery is the kick in the rear-end that he needs.

I would hate if the Reds traded Joey Votto for anyone is a young and good, and Phil Hughes is horrible

Sherman is a clown

I almost confused him with Heyman, who has a love affair with Cano, but it doesn't make much of a difference.

They are both inept.

Once again Sherman show's how big of a moron he is.
A.J. Burnett is an overrated starter.
Shane Victorinio is a bad center fielder so much so that the Phillies have wanted to move him back to right field because he cannot throw from center.
Kennedy might net something but not a lot.
Hughes is still highly rated by everyone so he is worth a lot but you don't trade him for an overrated starter.
Cano is worth more than just a basic starter with his overall production he just needs an ass kicker.
They need a new third base coach more than anything.
Joey Votto is not going anywhere.

I don't know if anyones noticed this or not, but pitching hasn't been the major problem.. our rotation has been servicable... we haven't hit anything.

I say let Giambi and Abreu go and sign Tex (just not to a 10 year contract); I don't think he's going to get one from anyone anyway. Maybe 5 years with performance vesting options. Let Gardner/Cabrera/Jackson patrol CF and hit 9th... and move Nady to RF..

Posada can still catch, he should heal 100% from this surgery, but they'll still have molina to back him up and he can also use a DH day here and there and split that time with Matsui.

I say sign 2 of the CC/Sheets/Burnett trifecta.. get rid of Pettite and his 16 million... Maybe even bring Pavano back on some Mark Prior type deal (he's pitching very well so far)...

Wang
Joba
CC/Sheets/Burnett (2 of the 3)
Moose

I mean Burnett and, or sheets is going to be better then pettite, especially the way he's pitched this year, and probably for the same $$

and keep hughes developing.. I mean the kids only 22 year old... If he can stay healthy, he's going to be good.

I think Kennedy will be a good pitcher in the majors... but i don't think he can do it in NY... he needs to go a small market to succeed.

As a fan of neither team, I think Cano for Cain would be a pretty fair trade. Both are very talented but prone to underachievement

How much do you think it would cost NY to get Peavy away from San Diego???

casper I don't even think the Yankees could afford Tex and two of the top 3 FA pitchers. You are talking over 350 mio in payroll right there, and they were just complaining that they couldn't afford Santana

I have only superficial knowledge fo the Yankees roster and farm system. If Cano is moved, who would play 2B? It doesn't look like the system is rich in infielders. Am I wrong?

mike why would Mussina take a one-year deal? He could definitely get multiple years from some team the way he has been throwing

that is correct Micks, they're not rich in Infielders. But when you have A-Rod for 9 more years, and Jeter maybe for 3-4 more years, and Cano at the age of 25, and if Tiexera is signed, he is 28, then you don't need to worry too much about the Infielders if you ask me, at least not for several more years

I'd be more concerned for sure with OF's which they are not too bad in. Damon and Matsui will be gone after 09, and Abreu might be gone as early as next year.

actually billingsley for cano could happen. i can't remember where i read it (Yahoo Sports, maybe?) but joe torre said he would take cano any day of the week over any second baseman in baseball and that he would really push for a cano trade. i personally say billingsley for cano is dumb because billingsley is a beast and cano is... kinda lame. but if the yanks could take advantage of the torre-cano love affair and the dodgers' terrible moves record, then more power to them.

Peavy would require Cano and probably another top tier prospect like Jackson I dont think SD parts with Peavy unless they get overpayed. Also Cano is not one of the top 2B he is not in the same category as Uggla, Utley, Kinsler. He isn't even in the next tier down Pedroia, Derosa, Phillips.

mike 923-

I completely agree on that pitching rotation. It is easily attainable, and would be one of the best in the game. People forget that Hughes was the #1 pitching prospect in America, but then he was overshadowed by Joba. He's still one of the best young pitchers in the game and has proven he can be affective when healthy.

coltholt I agree with much of you said about Phillips' defense, however Utley has had as many or more balls fielded out of zone as Phillips the past few seasons (OOZ), which suggests that he as at least as good range. His arm is a little shaky at times though and I think Phillips has a little better hands

The only way i would trade Hughes is for Peavy.

I would trade Hughes, Cano, Kennady, and Cervilli for Peavy.

But, I still think the Yankees should give Hughes a Spot in the rotation next year.

For the rotation I would sign either C.C. or Sheets (one of them) then sign Moose or Pettite (sign Moose if they sign C.C. or sign Pettite if they sign Sheets.)

"Seriously? i can think over a handful without even trying...have you ever heard of Brandon Phillips, Chase Utley, Brian Roberts, Ian Kinsler, or Dan Uggla. These guys have all put up better numbers than Cano in his BEST year. Beyond that you have Hudson, Pedroia who are easily as good as Cano."

Phillips: 263 avg, 21 HR, 80 rbi, 308OBP, 736 OPS
Cano: 304 avg, 18 HR, 88 rbi, 337OBP, 809 OPS
Utley: 298 avg, 29 HR, 108rbi, 375OBP, 904 OPS
Roberts: 284 avg, 10 hr, 61 rbi, 355OBP, 772OPS
Kinsler: 290 avg, 23 HR, 82 rbi, 360OBP, 833OPS
Uggla: 262 avg, 32 HR, 94 rbi, 339OBP, 832OPS
Hudson: 282 avg, 13 HR, 70 rbi, 346OBP, 779OPS
Pedroia: 312 avg, 13 HR, 67 rbi, 367OBP, 822OPS

you know the funny thing about those people you mentioned... is that really Cano is the 2nd best avg hitter among them if you look at this, next to Dustin who really only has less then 2 years of service time...

You can make your case of arguement for any of these guys, but the funny thing is, is that Cano is right with everyone with power, rbi's and OBP and OPS, but hits at a higer avg then almost everyone... and he's one of the younger ones of the group... so yes, Cano is one of the best second baseman in the bigs... he also has a 981 Fielding % not bad by any means... 10th in the AL so far with Jason Giambi at first base...

as far as having the money to sign 3 of those 5...

Pavano is 11 mill
Pettite is 16 mill
Abreu is 16 mill
Giambi is 23 mill

Thats 66 mill coming off the books.

CC - 18-20 million
Burnett - 16 mill
Sheets - 16 mill
Tex - 20-25 mill

I think it's definatly doable with all that money coming off the books...

Burnett has an opt out clause in his contact, I highly doubt he doesn't opt out after this year... and i like him more then pettite.. he's younger, and at this point of their careers has better stuff... put him in a rotation with Joba, CC, and Wang barring injury that'd be fierce.

Casper, I'd take anyone on your list over Cano you know what I'd take Polanco too. I know that Cano is a little younger than most of them but I don't see cano as an anchor in a lineup where as most of those guys can anchor a lineup.

Palanco is a good solid 2b's.. but he's not an "anchor" either... he hits just over 300 with 10hr with 63 rbis a year... He's a good leadoff/#2 hitter... but his overall stats still aren't as good as Robbie's...

Polanco: 306 avg, 10 HR, 63 rbi, 350OBP, 767OPS
Cano: 304 avg, 18 HR, 88 rbi, 337OBP, 809 OPS

They hit for the same avg, but Robbie knocks more out and knocks more in... Palanco is better a little bit defensivly, but then again Cano is still 25... has a lot to go..

And if you'd take everyone of of those people over Cano your crazy... and just trying to prove a point.

The only ones I would take is Dustin Pedroia and/or Chase Utley... and while he's had a great year and a half... Pedroia is still not proven yet... he's still not hitting as good as Cano did his first year and a half... but he's damn close.

For those of you saying that the Yankees couldn't afford these moves, even if the Yankees signed CC, Teixeira, and Burnett, they'd still have a lower payroll than they did last season.

They're dropping these contracts (maybe more):
Pavano
Mussina
Abreu
Pettitte
Marte
Giambi
Pudge
Farnsworth
Hawkins

They can get CC and Tex at 20 million a piece and still have a much lower payroll. Money won't be a problem since they're dropping ~$85 million.

Ok, so Cano is a good 2B. Congrats Yankee fans! Too bad he was unable to "anchor" his team this year. The discussion here was originally centered around cano's trade value. Even Colletti wouldn't trade someone as valuable as Billingsley for a 2B, regardless of whether he is one of the best in the league or not.

"What's with all the "sign Burnett" posts? He is not even a free agent, so obiouvlsy he's with the Jays unless traded" - mike923

mike923, Burnett has the ability to opt out of his contract after this season. Most people believe he will do so to cash in on a very good season.

I agree with most of what you say Melonis.. it's highly likely NY ends up with something that resembles this current rotation next year...

Jack, everyone has bad years... and while he was at the break hitting 220 something, he's not close to 280.. tell me how the other guys that were listed (with Pedroia as the exception) are anchoring their teams??? Hell Utley hasn't done barely anything since the AS break..

And that's the great thing is that anyone can win.. that's why they play the games....

Also, burnett hasn't even had a great year.. his last 2-3 have been better.. I just don't think he wants to play for Toronto anymore, and this is the best age for him to resign with another team.

Ian Kinsler is no more or less of an anchor then Robbie Cano is.. yes his avg has dropped... but again look at his age and servicetime.. the 2nd half the last two years he's burnt it up... That will translate into longterm... just him maturing as a hitter... but I do not think Ian Kinsler is an "anchor".. he's a good ball player, but not an "anchor".

and i meant before he's NOW close to a 280 avg...

Kinsler and Cano are the same age they are like 4 months apart.

Kinslers numbers are going up and Cano's numbers are going down and they are the same age think about it I would like other people's opinion.

Kinsler or Cano?

I know I vote for Kinsler and casper votes for Cano.

It wouldn't let me post this before, let me try again...

Kinsler is born in June, Robbie in October... so yes you're right.

This is Kinslers break out year.. he never hit until this year... avg 2b servicable offense...

Robbie's numbers are a bit deceiving because the last 2 years in the first half he didn't hit anything... Kinsler barely hit the first 2 full years at all.. and is having a good year this year... but the difference is, is that when Kinsler came up nobody cared because he wasn't hitting.. the pitchers took notice of Robbie (like they do with all great rookie ball players) and have made adjustments the last two years going back and forth with him...

We will see once the pitchers really adjust to Kinsler what happens... Also, while we all know about the short porch in right... Texas is a much better hitters park.. you should hit better out there...

I never said Kinsler was better, but I don't think he's an anchor for a team.. he just doesn't hit enough. Maybe that will change with this year and after.. but it's easy to have a good year when everyone else is worrying about other hitters...

how about Kennedy for Webb straight up? :)

I won't contend that Cano is better or worse then Pedroia... but you can't really do the same.. Look at the production in the first almost 2 years and it's pretty close... but i do like the way Dustin plays the game...

I think Dustin and Robbie are going to be like Jeter and Nomar was for a while.. Jeter won that round... it'll be interesting to see who will win this one.

Cano's good but he's not overly cheap. Per Cot's he's due 25Mill over the next 3 years with 2 sizeable options after that which could put him to 27 over the next 3 years if you opt out of his '12 14Mill option.

I'm not sure what type of talent I'd give up to pay Cano 9/yr over the next 3 years but it wouldn't be a #1/#2 type pitcher and especially from teams like SF and SD who will have budget constraints kicking in.

Some of your stats were wrong that you posted earlier, especially Roberts'. He's hitting .299 this year, not .284 and his OPS is .843. Give me him over Cano any day.

whoever posted Cano's stats is WAY off! The guy is hitting .268 this year with a .308 OBP. And he is not cheap, so he will not net you any of those pitchers. He's not that good. Young cheap pitchers are not going to be traded, sorry. Also, no one is interested in Kennedy or Hughes as top prospects, b/c they aren't anymore.

"Also, no one is interested in Kennedy or Hughes as top prospects, b/c they aren't anymore."

Hughes sucks because of 3 bad starts? I love people who say this type of crap but know absolutely nothing.

And also, seriously, Cano HAD ONE BAD YEAR. He has hit .300 every season and hit .340. He does not suck.
Players have bad years. It doesn't mean they will always suck.

Ok a few things:

1) The reason Hughes value is so low right now is because of two major injuries over the last 2 years and he took much longer to recover than expect. That's a big red flag no matter how good his stuff is.

2) Cano has great value... but his down year definitely will make teams wary about offering a Cain or Billingsly without getting an insurance prospect. I also think it'd be stupid for the yankees brass to trade him. Also the big issue is his numbers went down after signing his big deal... that's an eyebrow raiser.

3) Someone said it already, pitching really isn't the yankees big issue... defense is. The infield is awful and considered the worst in baseball this year. Jeter and Cano are incredibly overrated defenders (before someone starts yelling at me about Jeter's gold gloves... gold gloves are bs). Add to it you have a slowing Damon in CF with a little girl's arm... at least Melky has a good arm.

4) Dear god in heaven... why exactly do people keep throwing Kennedy in trades as if he's a can't miss prospect. Beginning of last year, he was thought by scouts to have a ceiling of a number 5 pitcher. He throws a couple of good games in the majors and suddenly everyone in New York is saying he's an ace. The guy has a ceiling of a number 5 pitcher and would likely be a solid one in anywhere but the AL East.

5) Yankees are not getting Peavy. Just face it... not happening, no way no how. Peavy is what the Pads have to build around.

6) I don't see the yanks getting CC, he seems to like the west coast and the national league. The Dodgers fit that bill.

As far am i concerned Sherman is a complete dumbass.

1) The yankees arent trading Cano. The kid is good. I wish Larry Bowa was still with the Yanks. He mentored Cano and ereally helped him during his stay. The yanks are deffinently not trading him.
2)hughes is just 22. He is goin to be a hell of a pitcher they will be retarted if they trade him.
3)Look I understand why people hate Yankee fans. Its cause they think we think we can buy whoever we want and think we will win the World Series every year. Well, I'm NOT that. I agree tha the Yanks wont sign C.C, he'll probably saty in the NL as will Sheets and the Yanks wont get either. I agree in the idea of you cant buy champions and I;ve hated this since the Yankees started.
4) Yankees holes are a reliever, first basemen, and starter. I think they will sign Ohman, Blake (or call Shelley Duncan from AAA), John Garland/ AJ Burnett.
5)The Yankees have a centerfielder, his name is Melky Cabrera. I still think he could be a good hitter. hes only 23. And hes great defender, probably a little better than Victorino.

as far as Sabathia goes.. yes he said thats what he prefers... but we all know what players prefer is money. I dont agree with it, but we all know Hank is going to throw a 6-8 year 20+ million a year at him...

Even though in real life you can still buy the same things making 15 mill that you can 23mill, he will still probably take it... If not im fine with Sheets and Burnett..

There will be some of them that are in pinstripes next year..

People seem to forget that money talks and the yankees are going to offer sabathia the most money so after its all said in done he will be in pinstripes.

the yankees aren't the only team who can offer him that kind of money. the dodgers have a ton coming off and have a ton to spend. and if CC wants a ring, the yankees are not his best chance. just b/c you can't live without a postseason every year doesn't mean you are the only team in baseball to sign free agents.

Tru - the Dodgers do have a ton coming off... but, the Dodgers are horrible... I mean at least NY is a good team with their injuries...

LA cannot match an offer from NY - bottom line. If he takes less money to play in LA then that'll happen... but to think anyone can spend with NY is just naive. They're going to throw a ton of money at this guy.. and I do think we're going to see him in stripes next year...

Players BS all the time, but money is money... If not, I am glad he's not in the AL :)

oh and many of these teams CAN spend as much as the Yanks, but they actually respect the luxury tax as a guideline, whereas the yankees spit in it's face, and make a mockery of the game in doing so.

C.C. is on record as saying that he wants to play close to home (California) and that he prefers the N.L. where he can swing the bat but Yankee fans don't want to hear that, therefore, they're really not listening. Sure, if the Yankees offer 10 years and $240 million dollars he'd have to take it but I don't think the highest dollar necessarily wins here as long as the second best offer is within reason. If the Yankees go insane with their offer, more power to them, but pitchers and long term contracts carry an inherent risk.

exactly mick......i mean they could offer him an INSANE contract, but that is the only thing they can do to attempt to beat out teams like the dodgers, giants, bosox, mets, etc who can offer giant but still reasonable contracts.

exactly mick......i mean they could offer him an INSANE contract, but that is the only thing they can do to attempt to beat out teams like the dodgers, giants, bosox, mets, etc who can offer giant but still reasonable contracts.

They're going to offer him an insane contract.. hell, it's already been said they will.. lol... It's a joke. We all know it is... but, they're going to offer him 4-5 mill more a year then anyone else will... im goin to guess around 5 years 23 mill a year... if not 6 years...Even though I hate signing a pitcher that long...

lolol 5 years 23? try 7 and 25.

They may offer 7/25 - you never know.. I'd be surprised if anyone signs him for 7 years.. I don't think NY will have to. I dont think anyone will give him more then 5 years... and NY will trump that with more money at the same time frame.

how about take away crawford purcival and longoria what would happen then? oh right, they continue to own the AL, as they will for years with young talent.

how about no dice k, beckett, wakefied, papi, and drew! oh right still in 1st in the WC.

how about pedro, el duque, both starting corner outfielders, wagner, sanchez, and castillo? oh right 1st place.

how about orlando hudson, eric byrnes, and justin upton? 1st place.

stop crying your team had magic and it ran out. you can't keep trying to buy it back.