Do Angels Have Genuine Interest In Manny?

Angels need a bat, if they can't re-sign Tex and lose Krod this is definitely not the 100 win team from last season.

I love the inferiority complex the Angels owner and fans have with the dodgers. The funny thing is the Angels fans are the most fairweather fans in the planet. Thats not an opinion its been well documented. Disney land is too close and if they start losing everyone hits the rides. Moreno will never appeal to real dodger fans who hate the angels regardless of the Manny signing. Ill advised signings are worse than missed signings and unless the dodgers can get manny done for 3 to 4 years at most its not smart for a organization with a bright future irregardless. Angels make many poor decisions such as Gary Matthews and not trading Willits to the padres for Kuzmanoff when Willits had value. They also missed the miggy signing for overvaluing their own infield prospects. Is it ill advised to pay pierre 9m a year and get what you expect or to pay gary matthews quite a bit more and not get the roid inflated stats you were hoping for. Last I checked Manny got the dodgers further then tex did the angels. So go invest 10 years of your future into someone who will opt for the lowsy nationals over mickey mouse....meanwhile boras will have already moved manny somewhere as teixeira is his biggest payday.

I'd be upset if the Dodgers signed Orlando Cabrera. He hasn't had a league average OPS+ since 2003. If Furcal is asking for more than 3 years and we had to sign a SS, I'd opt for Renteria. We might be able to get him for cheaper than Cabrera, and he at least had a 125 OPS+ with the Braves in 2007.
As for the Angels/ Dodgers fans, no real fan changes his allegiance because of a player who was on a team for 2 months. And Angels fans can try to degrade the Dodgers franchise for only winning one playoff series over the past 21 years, but the Angels have been around since 1961 and have a total of 8 playoff appearances and 1 WS victory. Since the Dodgers moved to LA, they have 9 pennants. So don't go acting like your team is the Yankees because you've won the feeble AL West a few times over the past 8 years.

Also the NL west statistically has been by far and away the worst division for the majority of a decade. As of two years ago (and before that) the AL west was always considered one of the top divisions. Stop being bitter and living in a history book.

"Also the NL west statistically has been by far and away the worst division for the majority of a decade. As of two years ago (and before that) the AL west was always considered one of the top divisions. Stop being bitter and living in a history book."

You just referenced statistics from past seasons, as well as your own division two years ago, yet you're telling others to stop living in a history book.

You're an idiot bro.

Hah, I will be damned if Good Burger is gonna call me an idiot.

"As for the Angels/ Dodgers fans, no real fan changes his allegiance because of a player who was on a team for 2 months. And Angels fans can try to degrade the Dodgers franchise for only winning one playoff series over the past 21 years, but the Angels have been around since 1961 and have a total of 8 playoff appearances and 1 WS victory. Since the Dodgers moved to LA, they have 9 pennants. So don't go acting like your team is the Yankees because you've won the feeble AL West a few times over the past 8 years."

I was addressing a false argument by a Dodger fan. Referencing the 50's as a teams prowess is a bit different then talking about things that happened in this decade.

Because now this conversation is in the past.

"Also the NL west statistically has been by far and away the worst division for the majority of a decade. As of two years ago (and before that) the AL west was always considered one of the top divisions. Stop being bitter and living in a history book."

We can compare the NL West and AL West. Sure.
2008: Dodgers to NLCS, Angels lose ALDS.
2007: Rockies to WS, Diamondbacks to NLCS, Angels lose ALDS.
2006: Dodgers and Padres lose in NLDS, A's to ALCS.
2005: Padres lose NLDS, Angels to ALCS.

Please show me how the AL West was one of the top divisions. The Rangers have been pathetic since they signed A-Rod, the Mariners haven't been good since 2002. The A's have been rebuilt multiple times. And the Angels have won 1 World Series.

Since 1993 an AL West team has played in the World Series once (2002). But the NL West has had representatives 4 representatives.

As for your beer prices, beer may be cheaper, but it's also smaller.

Well, for starters, citing how well teams do in the playoffs is not at all indicative of how good a DIVISION is.

1) Only one, MAYBE two teams from each division make the playoffs, which means that the depth of a division's quality does not at all appear by looking at the playoffs.

2) The American League's playoff competition for the last several years has ROUTINELY been stronger than that of the National League, making it easier to advance in the NL.

3) The playoffs are, generally speaking, a bit of a crapshoot. The best team doesn't necessarily always win (ESPECIALLY in MLB's terrible playoff format), so showing that one or two teams from a division won a few playoff games doesn't show anything about the strength of that WHOLE division.

It's not that I agree or disagree that the NL West or AL West is the better division, it's just that using playoff records to tell us how good the regular season in-fighting in the division is to GET to those playoffs is really, really dumb. You selectively pull out stats and generalities to substantiate your claim that the AL West is bad, and do NOTHING to show how bad the NL West is (like, say, sending in a division winners with 84, 90, 88, and 82 wins over the last 4 years while the Major League average over that time has been 93). I could also point out that in those 4 World Series appearances, the NL West has only won one in the last 20 years, and was SWEPT in two of them (3 if you want to go back to 1989). It works both ways, champ.

And if you're going to be petty about the beer, I frequent both stadiums quite often...Angels' beer is cheaper, regardless of size. It's stupid to argue matters of verifiable fact, man.

Hey Big Mac, 2005 called. It wants its joke back.

I don't know about other Dodger fans but I'm tired of holding onto the Manny "Summer Fling". It was wonderful don't get me wrong but with all the money an approaching 40 year old is asking for is ridiculous...If we do sign him of course i will be ecstatic BUT...Dodger fans need to realize that the free agent market this year is most fruitfull its been in years...here are some of my ideas:

Step 1: We need to sign K-Rod

Step 2: send Broxton in a packaged deal for Peavy (if he ends up not going to the Braves)...beings that Hoffman is gone, San Diego will need fresh arms

Step 3 (optional): sign C.C. Sabathia...Now already you have a rotation of...

Peavy
Sabathia
Billingsly
Kuroda
Kershaw

and K-Rod closing

Step 4: sign Adam Dunn!...ya did everyone forget about him? He has hit 40+ hrs five year in a row! (yes i know he hits about .240 and strikes out alot but he could be the power we need...for much cheaper than Manny!)

signing Dunn, Sabathia (still optional!) and K-Rod will probably be just a little more expensive than signing JUST Manny...now who would YOU rather have?

angels could make similar offer to mamny: big buck for short years
and not just to piss off dodgers. that should only be a bonus.
they need to realize – for the same reason they should go after CC or tarde for Prince – is that they need a dose of character. the organization knows talent, but they just seem too too uptight, near anal, to let the talent loose
the one problem is vladdie is still vladdie at the dish, but he's footsteps away from being a DH.