Giants-Renteria Rumor False

Does this up the cost for Furcal? He may sign soon. That makes it tough for the Braves to upgrade in the event of a Peavy deal.

This may be the start of something big.

It's the Giants dude. They are destined to fail.

What a ridiculous move by the Giants. Just when you thought Sabean was getting it together, he goes out and does what he's always done... throw too much money at a declining vet in order to add to a very poor ballclub.

Unless they go out and land CC and another power bat, this move makes no sense at all.

I thought the Giants would sign both Furcal and Orlando Hudson to sure up the defense for Lincecum. They both can hit also so they would surely help Tim win 20 games.

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I don't think the signing is as bad as people are making out. $9m a year might be a bit high but it is a short term deal so won't cripple them financially and in 2007 in his last year in the NL Renteria put up a 125 OPS+. What does seem foolish is why the Giants didn't wait to force the Tigers to offer arbitration and possibly saving their 2nd round pick.

The way things are going today, I'll believe this when it gets confirmed by one of the SF media or a national one. Can't imagine WFAN having teh inside track on the SF Giants.

and people say Jack Wilson is overpaid? yeah..........

Why didnt Sabean wait? We overpayed for Renteria, we could have waited for a stupid short term shorstop. This is a stupid signing. It doesnt prep us for the future and doesnt take care of our long term SS needs. Stupid Sabean, I can understand there would have been demand had Furcal signed but he needs to do more this offseason then spend $13 mill on 2 - 2 year contracts.

He's a proven NL players. I figured he would get 8-10 million a year. He might actually be back to where he fits best at. 2 years ago with Atl he was one of the better SS's in the league. I don't think in just one year that he's completely forgotten how to play the game. I think this will be a good signing for SF. They are off to a pretty good start this offseason.

Renteria is comming off a bad year for Renteria.

Man if the Bluejays had him last year, or even the orioles, they would be very happy.

270/.317/.382 in 547

Thats not bad ! Try battling John Mcdonald in your lineup everyday and see how that taste -- Let me save you the trouble, it doesn't taste very good !

This is a sure upgrade for the Giants and his bat will help Rowand get the offensive party started for ol Seabiscuit.

Hey at least they did not trade any of their young guys to fill the spot. Thats all im saying.

If they traded for a guy like Hardy etc, they would have to give up some of that nucleus which is setting them up for 2010-11

Just in time for Renteria to leave and becomes a DH in the AL

Here's why, at face value it's a good signing but there is no way Renteria can (or should perhaps) stay at SS. He's a pretty good hitter there, but if you have to shift him to 3B? Not so much, and not even close to 9M production at the hot corner.

He is not even adequate. He will be one of the worst defensive starting SS in the league.

Otherwise I agree, at face value looking at hitting statistics he's worth the money, but he is just a killer on D.

And what looked like a potentially good offseason for the Giants just took a bad turn. I have a hard time believing that Renteria is the difference between a horrid season and a productive one, and as such, is it really worth losing a 2nd round pick when he could have been obtained later without consequence? Yes, he could possibly have signed elsewhere during that time, but once again, would it be a horrible situation for the Giants if they had their 2nd round pick still but no Renteria?

Furcal has a better arm.

This is a major upgrade at SS from the numbers last year and with the lack of defense Burriss was providing in the AFL (he was a butcher), they had no choice but to sign someone. The years are hardly strapping to the organization and despite a bit of an overpay and the loss of a 2nd round pick, this is a low risk move.

You just paid almost $10m/year for a shortstop that has decent defense and an OPS just a tick above 700.

For a team that is in rebuilding mode this looks to be more of the same. Signing against vets to high dollar contracts ...

They should be sitting out of FA (with very exceptions) and focusing on moving their aging vets and building towards the future.

furcal and renteria's def is like night and day. Furcal is be far the superior infielder.

So much for Renteria rejoining the Cardinals.

"You just paid almost $10m/year for a shortstop that has decent defense and an OPS just a tick above 700.

For a team that is in rebuilding mode this looks to be more of the same. Signing against vets to high dollar contracts ...

They should be sitting out of FA (with very exceptions) and focusing on moving their aging vets and building towards the future."

Agreed, its not like Frandsen and Velez are chumps...if your rebuilding, you can let those guys play SS at the league minimum. This was a moronic move for the Giants. Plus they loose a draft pick, not very bright for a rebuilding team.

A while back, people thought my idea of the Reds trading Alex Gonzalez and Homer Bailey to the Giants for Bengie Molina and Randy Winn was bad. Then the Giants go out and sign Renteria for BIG dollars.

Like I said back then, if the Giants got rid of Molina and Winn, they would be getting rid of a couple of highly paid verterans and getting a young, inexpensive Pitcher who NEEDS to be pitching in a large ball park that is NOT Home Run friendly. That way, they could trade one of their other young Pitchers for somebody like Prince Fielder and thus upgrade the Offense.

By getting A Gon, the Giants would have gotten a good fielding Short Stop who has some power. Also, if A Gon is going to be good enough and healthy enough to be the Reds Short Stop then he would have been good enough for the Giants.

As far as Molina goes, he would have given the Reds a GOOD Catcher, both Offensively and Defensively. He would also be a Latino who would be a huge help to both Volquez and Cueto.

Winn could have played Left Field. He is a switch hitter with speed who plays good Defense.

Combined, Molina and Winn's 2009 salaries would have been just a little more than what the Reds paid Adam "ONE TOOL" Dunn in 2008.

Mike, I'd heard Colletti/the Dodgers had had nearly zero interest in Renteria -- where did you hear that? From what I've heard they're interested in trying to bring back Furcal but probably not for the 4 years he's seeking, and are interested in Hudson, and also know they have DeJesus/Hu/DeWitt as younger infielder possibilities should any of that fail. Hadn't heard anything of them and Renteria but I can't imagine them (even Colletti) being all too upset by this.

While not a great signing, I don't see this as the epic fail others seem to.

Renteria was terrible in Boston and mediocre in Detroit, but he's been typically solid and consistent in the NL throughout his career. Moving back there might help him out a bit.

Burriss's OPS was fairly decent for a SS. And he had a .357 OBP. Plus, he's younger and plays better defense than Renteria.

The ONLY way that getting Renteria instead of Furcal could be deemed the correct move by Vet-INFATUATED Sabean is if we pick up a HUGE name THIS season b/c we saved some cash. The chances of this? Slim. Sabean needs to go.

i really hope this is true just because it means the orioles cant be stupid enough to sign him

Also maybe the giants are going to sign more A-type free agents.

If they did, would it really matter that they struck early with Renteria ?

If they sign Hudson, who will be offered arbitration regardless, wont that make signing Renteria early kinda mute ?

"If he's bad with a glove so what, replace him with your utility infielder guy who should have bettter defense in late games where you have the lead.

The point is that without the bats you never get that lead that you try to defend."

So we should stick Adam Dunn at 3B if there's no other openings for him on the team just to upgrade the offense?"

Don't be rediculous CubbyFan23. I would much rather sign K-Rod to play 3rd on the Giants

You are right, it may be misguided to keep a poor defender just because of his bat, only to replace him later on in the game, BUT, were talking about the Giants here and honestly whos picking them to actually win anything next year.

This move gets them back on track to winning, it is nore a cure all, which Sabean acknowledged by only giving him 2 years.

Relax, everyone! This is just the latest bogus report on a free agent shortstop today! Renteria DID NOT sign with the Giants. SF Chron beat writer just blogged about the Giants denying the report. Also, Furcal's agent says he's still negotiating with the Giants.

A couple ways to look at this.

If Furcal signed first and for big bucks, the price on Renteria would go up by default, plus there would be 1 less SS on the market driving the price up further.

So...if that happened, the Giants might have overpaid even more for Renteria.

Of the Type A guys, I'd think Renteria is towards the bottom of the list anyways, so the odds of this being irrelevant are pretty good.

Hopefully now that the Tigers don't need to concern themselves about offering arbitration they can make their move on a SS....and as a Sox fan, hopefully that move is trading a bag of balls for Julio Lugo.

"Don't be rediculous CubbyFan23. I would much rather sign K-Rod to play 3rd on the Giants

You are right, it may be misguided to keep a poor defender just because of his bat, only to replace him later on in the game, BUT, were talking about the Giants here and honestly whos picking them to actually win anything next year. "

:) I agree, they had to sign someone there, I just think the $$ could have been spent more wisely, that's all.

"Velez at SS would be like Chuck Knoblauch at the end of his career. He would be throwing balls all over the place. Velez at SS has never been an option and Frandsen does not have the range to play there daily. He was a 3B in college and made the move to 2B in the minors."

Which means all three of them have something in common, none of the three should be playing SS in the majors. Not sure that Renteria is an upgrade over either given that all three would be poor at SS.

That seems a little pricey for Renteria...

Thank you Schulman for saving my Monday.

This is a solid move. With Giants looking to have Frandsen, Velez, Burriss, Sandoval, Ishikawa & Phelps manning the infield in 2009 a player that can be counted on to take the field for 1100+ innings and be above replacement level is the key here. In some real ways it does matter if all those innings are done in one spot or more because there is plenty of spots for the young non first basemen to fill. Would keeping the pick been ideal? Yes. But the lack of long term commitment makes it very attractive.

I cant think of one reason a rebuilding team would give 9mm to a declining vet. If anything, that team needs a cleanup hitter to make them respectable. Their catcher Molina led the team with 16 homers and batted cleanup. That 9mm could have been spent on a younger guy like Dunn. Someone they could actually build around, not an old chump like renteria.

"Oh Yeah Josh Phelps. I forgot they signed him. Hopefully he can develop into a nice gap hitter there. That was a good signing. 6-4-3 Furcal,Hudson,Phelps. Frandsen/Burriss platoon at 3B. Valez utility OF/IF. They can all still get 350 PA."

Whoa man, there is no way that Pablo Sandoval doesn't have a full time job next season. Whether it's at first or third, Sandoval is getting 500-600 at bats next season if healthy, because that bat could be huge for them. If they don't actually sign a veteran shortstop, I guess they could go with Sandoval at first, Velez at second, Burriss at short and Frandsen at third, but that infield is really poor offensively and not contender-quality. I doubt that Phelps is much more than a part time player in San Francisco, they need to develop some young guys or add some veterans, Phelps should get a chance but he won't be depended on.

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I cant think of one reason a rebuilding team would give 9mm to a declining vet. If anything, that team needs a cleanup hitter to make them respectable. Their catcher Molina led the team with 16 homers and batted cleanup. That 9mm could have been spent on a younger guy like Dunn. Someone they could actually build around, not an old chump like renteria."

I actually like the idea of the Giants going after Dunn. They could just really use some power in that lineup, and then maybe the Giants could move Aaron Rowand, and if they can't find a suitor for him then Randy Winn. A lineup with Dunn, Sandoval, Molina, Lewis, Rowand/Winn and Velez is at least interesting, and the pitching should be good.

I still dont understand why they would sign furcal. They have potential leadoff hitters in Winn and Lewis. What they need is a power hitter ie Dunn.

Clarcknaddison: Because plan B at SS is Bocock. Burriss is a rush job to the majors Bocock is something beyond a rush job. Again Renteria is not ideal but it does serve a practical purpose. If the contract stays at only 2 years.

As for Dunn/Burrell at first move. We have no idea that they would be open to it. Also Dunn being young and left handed might not want to deal with Mays Fields tendency to sap LHB power numbers if he thinks he can get another contract before age 34.

exile,
i understand, biut for a team thats not expecting to compete for 2 years, why sign a vet to a 2 year deal? They have velez who can fill in nicely. For a rebuilding team, i cant see anything good with this signing. its not like renteria will put butts in the seats....it just isnt good baseball for the Giants. I hope this signing is bunk as reported. It would only solidily my case against it.

Management,
who cares what his career numbers are there, the fact is is that Dunn hit 40 homers the past 4-5 years and is the model of consistency. They need power, they have gap guys in Winn and Lewis.

If we're going to pay Renteria 9 million over 2 years, we may as well just give that money to Hudson. A 3 years at 12 million a year to Hudson makes more sense for the Giants. It allows Burriss to continue to develop at SS and O-dog can anchor the 2B position until prospect Noonan is ready. I complete agree with the idea of bring in Dunn, but the question is whether Dunn is willing to go to the Giants. Late in the season, Dunn crushed 2 balls in AT&T Park and both ended up long fly outs.

An Hudson, Dunn, and Maddux signing makes the most sense for the Giants. A lineup of Molina, Sandoval, Burriss, Hudson, Dunn, Lewis, Rowland, and Winn. And a rotation of Lincecum, Cain, Zito, Lowry, and Maddux gives us the opportunity to trade Sanchez to the Rangers, Braves, etc.

Never mind, I completely misread that. Sorry. My mistake.

The bottom line is that the Giants do not think that Manny Burriss can handle SS on a daily basis which left them with no options. They had to sign someone and getting a guy like Renteria who has a proven track record for a short term deal is not a catastrophic move.

What are with all these fabricated rumors? It seems like the only new posts today are corrections to older ones? You would think that maybe not el caribe, but WFAN and the Denver post would be reliable sources.

Since this move is not final, which would you rather have?

Furcal - 3 years 40 mil
Renteria - 2 years 18 mil

I'm not arguing that its a bad move, but IMO i just don't see why SS is a position of concern for so many Giants' fan.

The stats for 2B would have been much worst for the Giants if Burriss wasn't playing there so often. I would much rather see signings of 2B and 1B for the Giants until Noonan and Villalona are ready for them. Especially if the signings are for an upper-tier players the Giants can really make a run.

This rumor is , what we'd call in the Army, "Bad Poop" .

Anyways I logged on for the day 5 minutes after it was posted and I felt a huge rush. I was checking all the other sites to see if it was true and nobody reported it. I only thought it was legit because of the timing and the need and low cost of Renteria. Honestly though I thought that the Furcal deal was done with Oakland and they were denying it just to keep the cost down by not starting a bidding war. If you say the deal is done before it is, then someone calls your bluff and starts a bidding war. I think Furcal is going to Oakland. By saying the negotiations are distant it lets the Giants think that they have more time then they actually do.

scribbletone,

I understand that the NL West is an overall weak division, but how does Sanchez warrant that much confidence? His ERA was 5.01 this year and in the second half he was horrible. To me they have two starters you can rely on and 3 question marks and very little offense. If LA gets CC or Manny back, to me they're the favorites with Arizona possibly contending as well with their pitching staff.

I agree that if Sanchez comes around and they can make the playoffs their rotation would be scary, but they still have to find a way to score more than 600-650 runs this year which won't be easy for them as they're presently constituted.

Tim : You do realize Burriss will be 24 next season and he had not played above A ball tell about the middle of this last season? If the Giants bring in a veteran for 2 years then the Giants either want Burriss over at second ( were he showed some really nice glove work) or to give him time to take the job at age 26. A contract of 4 years would mean they don’t trust him.

As for Hudson I’ll pass. The Giants have a lot of possible in house candidates for second base. Lets cycle through those first. To be honest it could be almost every kid penciled in for SS and third end up at second. We just won’t know for a bit so better to wait.

Phil Champs & Scribletone: The key to Sanchez is look at his first 102 IP ( end of June). 102K 47 BB 90 H 43ER. For starting the first time above low A Ball (2005) he did really well. Then he just ran out of gas and things got ugly. The question is can he build on that next year?

On the 650 runs bit don’t forget the infield defense was really not good. They tighten that up a bit and the pitching will go a lot farther as well. At couple good moves would go a long ways with this team. But at the moment those moves don’t seem to be out there to be made.