Graziano's Latest: Sabathia, Halladay

"Please keep in mind one is in the NL the other the AL. I am not saying that Halladay doesnt have more stamina just saying its a lot easier to leave a pitcher in when he doesnt come up to the plate."

It's also a lot easier to pitch when that #9 batter is essentially an automatic out.

The kid, you're right - Peavy isn't really good. Thanks for setting me straight on my adverbs. :)

a ham & cheese sandwich walks into a bar.
the bartender says "sorry, we don't serve food here."

wait a minute, what were the jokes supposed to be about?

HAHA This has been a funny read.

1. Jake Peavy can't even hold Roy Halladay's jockstrap. It's no contest. Look at Doc's complete games, look where he pitches, look at the division he is in, look at the DH hitters he must face.

2. We have heard the hype around Hughes, Kennedy, and Joba, nothing is a given for this Hanson kid who is thoroughly over hyped and if it came down to Halladay to the Braves, they would have to include him. As for Peavy, he isn't the pitcher Halladay is, so I can understand why they wouldn't include him.

"Good one, bro. Good one.

Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | November 19, 2008 at 01:20 PM"

Thanks, "bro." Thanks

DELUDED

(I know. See well above.)

Halladay >>> Peavy. Not even close.

LOL @ the Giants. Cy Young winning lefties with connections to the Bay Area. Cy Young winning lefties with connections to the Bay Area.

Bro,

how about Igawa/Kennedy/Gardner for Halladay/Wells, bro?

I think most people would agree Kennedy could be awesome for a smaller market team, Igawa is full of potential, and Gardner is a solid CF of the future, bro!

"Bro,

how about Igawa/Kennedy/Gardner for Halladay/Wells, bro?

I think most people would agree Kennedy could be awesome for a smaller market team, Igawa is full of potential, and Gardner is a solid CF of the future, bro!"

Bro,

Sign me up, but maybe see if we can get Toronto to reacquire Eckstein to send to use and replace Cano at 2B. Grit over talent!

Your bro,

NJM

I wouldn't be comfortable trading either Bills or Kershaw. I, too, have a "crush" on Bills, but I guess long term it'd make more sense to trade him over Kershaw. But if they are going for it all right now, they can't lose Bills.

That would be hilarious if the Giants signed CC. For multiple reasons but especially if the contract was for less then what the Yanks offered.

"The Blue Jays needs center on primarily three things: SS, bullpen help (not necessarily a closer), and some good starters. "

That is kind of uninformed information. The Blue Jays had the best Bullpen in the entire League last year and have amazing depth there. Shortstop I can agree on, and at least 1 top notch potential starter is a must.

As a jays fan what would be on my list is a 3rd Base Prospect to replace Rolen.

Also lets be realistic about how/when Halladay would be delt. The only way it will happen is at the trade deadline if the Jays are really out of it.

"Disagree that Halladay is "going nowhere". Sure, he's likely not going to the AL East, but this is a good time to consider moving him. Toronto's rotation is going to be a mess with McGowan and Marcum out and Burnett presumably leaving."

A mess? McGowan stunk last year, and Burnett had the worst year of his Jay career, the only difference was that he was healthy this year. While the loss of Marcum is big, it can easily be offset by gains made by first round pitching prospects David Purcey, Ricky Romero, and Brett Cecil. The Jays had the #1 staff ERA last year, and people need to start realizing it's because they had a TOP (1-3 in the AL) defender at basically every single position (except LF). This is what makes someone like Jesse Litsch look so spectacular, and it is what is going to keep the Jays pitching looking good this year, despite losses of 3 "name" pitchers.

As for Halladay being traded, I always get a good laugh when conversations like these come up. Most of you are nowhere near the type of package it would take to get Halladay - he is the best pitcher in baseball, period. The only person who can make a case over the last 5 years of being in his league is Santana. If I were trying to acquire Halladay using the Jays own system (the system I know best), it would take a minimum of their 3 best prospects - Snider Cecil and Cooper, and Ahrens or Jackson would probably need to be included as well.

The only way Doc is going to get traded is if JP decided 2009 is a lost cause and he trades Ryan and Overbay as well. Otherwise there is simply no way they are going to trade their #1 starter and still have a payroll in the 80m range. It just makes no sense.

Funny how the Giants are going to offer 6 years, but not one mention of CC's weight, his arm falling off, his back going out..etc.
I guess like everything else, moves are only bad when the Yanks make them.

Haha, finally a day where there are some Dodgers rumors. Too bad Tony Jackson basically shot them all down.

http://www.insidesocal.com/dodgers/

Ok Phils - focus - how does Philly get Halladay.

They need a SS.

Donald.

A Catcher.

Marson.

SPs.

Carrasco AND Kendrick or Happ -aw heck say both.

Joe Savery

So - Marson/Carrasco/Donald/Kendrick/Happ

If they wanted to flip flop Victorino for Wells as part of it (to reduce salary) We could add an extra prospect and make it:

Phils get:
P Halladay
LF/CF Wells

Jays get:
CF Victorino
C Marson
SS/3B Donald
P Carrasco
P Savery
P Kendrick
P Happ or Edgar Garcia

Would you keep Jason Donald for SS and move J-Roll if we could Vic and some of the 2nd tier prospects???

I think the only way hanson is traded is if he is signed to an extension by the Braves.

Also even if hanson isn't included there are plenty other prospects the braves have that can equal his value.

The package I posted earlier was based off what others said were the main needs of the Jays.

Anyone with knowledge know what they need?

"you know NOTHING about the New York Yankees"

I think most people understand the Yankees are the worst run team in major league sports. They have spent well in excess of $650 million dollars in three years and have won a total of two - count them - two playoff games. Sabbathia should sign with the Yankees. After two years, this weighting (pun intended) to happen injury will turn into their next Carl Pavano.

"The braves could be able to aquire halladay easier than peavy. Jus give them Gorsky hernandez, gregor blanco and kelly johnson and 2 more prospects for Alex Rios or Vernon Wells and Roy Halladay"

I agree with this post 100%. Although I think the Braves might be giving up too much. Toronto would have to include Marcum and BJ Ryan as well. McGowan too.

It's not hard to contend when you outspend other teams by $150 million every year.

You're right Land_Man which is why I hope they outspend the other teams by $250 million this year.

"You're right Land_Man which is why I hope they outspend the other teams by $250 million this year."

Me too yankeegirl...and then lose again. lol

To be fair, the AL east is a difficult division and the Yankees did have a decent/good record. I'm not a Yankee fan by any means, but they are a good team. And the more money you spend, the bigger the mistakes you make will be, and ever team makes mistakes. Theirs are just a lot more expensive mistakes than say the Royals.

Okay, this website is screwed up. Love ya Tim, but something's not cool about this format.

R. Halladay might go yanks 09

Trade
1. P. Hughes
2. R. Cano
3. M. Cabrera
4. D. Betances
5. increased contract

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philsWSchamps , you may have to include Darren Daulton to get it done for Halladay. I would do Morandini for Peavy straight up.

I would Land-Man, but you can't trade players that are currently in another dimension. Its a little known rule in MLB.

I am a Yankee fan and I'll give Toronto whatever they wanted for Halladay.

Anyone with knowledge know what they need?

Posted by: drumzalicious | November 19, 2008 at 04:34

I can tell you what we don't need. We don't know one or two good prospects, and 4 pieces of garbage fillers.

Posted by: juiced | November 19, 2008 at 06:35 PM

Escobar - SS
Flowers - DH Type
Melden - Bullpen
Boyer - Bullpen
Roghbrough/Locke - Starter
Morton/Reyes - Starter

So from that your calling Flowers who is dominating with the bat wherever he goes, Melden who is one of our top RP prospects, Boyer who is an established MLB lever RP, Roghbrough who is probably the second best pitcher in our system behind Hanson. all of those guys are fillers?

i can see morton/reyes being a filler but the rest are def not fillers

"So from that your calling Flowers who is dominating with the bat wherever he goes, Melden who is one of our top RP prospects, Boyer who is an established MLB lever RP, Roghbrough who is probably the second best pitcher in our system behind Hanson. all of those guys are fillers?"

Yes, that's exactly what they are. Boyer and Morton wouldn't make the Jays staff and Rohrbaugh has very underwhelming minor league numbers. So no, Yunel Escobar and Tyler Flowers WILL NOT get you Roy Halladay.

Here's an exercise for all fans. If you are even thinking about getting Halladay, realize that it is going to cost your organization's top 3 prospects. Coming up with these packages without that is futile, they will never be considered.

For example, let's use the Yankees - Chamberlain, Hughes, and Cano would be a starting point, and I'm certain that even that isn't enough of a framework to get JP to move Halladay (because Cano isn't a good enough position player). A suitable package for Halladay would be one built around Longoria and Price before the 2008 season. Think about that before coming up with these half-assed proposals.

"i'll just wait 2 years for Hanson to come up"

Ask arrogant Yankees fans how that worked out for them this year, not giving up Hughes and some pieces for Johan.

Nobody is demanding that package for Halladay. All I'm saying is don't come forward with a package that leaves out your 3 best prospects - it's just not going to happen.