Yanks Make Offer To Sabathia

I am done in this thread though, pretty hater argument from SFG. People like him can't be reasoned.

Hey SFG:

How's that Zito tasting? You sound a little sensitive about big free agent signings.
Zito for dinner and big scoop of Aaron ROwand at 5 years/60 mil for dessert. I bet you are hoping for a salary cap. That will limit the amount of bad money Saeban can throw at poor FA pick ups.

Don't like the Yankees but hope they get CC if the Angels don't! Hopefully this will put Tex back in SoCal and we can sign a couple of other FA pitchers as well.

Seriously, does anyone think the Yanks will request a weight clause for his contract? That is a ton of money to put out for a potential non-baseball related issue.

and i hate dodger fans because they can't even spell sense.

whats up yanksfan?? can't think of anything???

Oh and by the way, Iv'e seen Yankees fan on these comments for a long time. He's a pro when it comes to this MLB knowledge, I wouldn't mess with him. Plus, he's a fan to the best team in all of sports. Showin some love man, Iv'e got your back.

Peavy's coming to the NYY

haha, yeah dynasty i agree. Everyone is just out for the yankee's, so they make B.S comments to every yankee fan they can find.

P.S: Next year you'll have to be dynasty 27 haha

"Seriously, does anyone think the Yanks will request a weight clause for his contract? That is a ton of money to put out for a potential non-baseball related issue."

Honestly, they should. In fact most contracts have a clause about players physical condition that the players are supposed to honor by keeping themselves in shape, but with bigger guys like Sabathia I think the clause needs to be in bold print and have some teeth behind it. I believe Sabathia is enough of a professional that he'll keep himself in playing shape, and right now the weight doesn't seem to hurt him, but in the future with a huge contract who knows what will happen. I don't think he'll get lazy especially in NY, but guys like Mo Vaughn and Bob Wickman basically ate themselves out of the league, so you never know.

I don't understand why people hate the Yankees. Maybe if my favorite team were in their division I wouldn't like them, but as a NL fan I think the Yankees are an interesting team to follow. If they spend their money well it's a lesson for other teams, and if they spend it poorly it's a lesson as well. The Yankees are top dog financially, there's nothing anyone can do about it, so everybody should just get over it.

The whole Yankees draft late so they can't get premium talent argument is comedy. Top talent is always on the board in the first round for teams that are willing to go above slot. Also if they wanted they could just outspend everyone on the international market, but choose not to.

The Yankees lack of success as of late is due to the infatuation with superstars whereas a team like the Red Sox have moved over to what used to be what made the Yankees so good. Focusing on having above average well rounded players at every position. Similar to the late 90s Yankees teams. Now they are going to go out and throw money at Sabathia, which is reasonable given his performance and a guy like Burnett, who is going to be another unreliable injury plagued starter.

Yankees fans also need to get off the whole Zito contract, the Yankees fans making fun of bloated bad contracts is a joke.

HOw much does Barry Zito make????How many years?!?!?!?Now thats comedy

Manny Parra 26th round
Chris Capuano 8th round.
Bill Hall 6th round.
Mike Cameron 18th round.

Edwin Jackson 6th round.
Johnny Gomes 18th round.
Jason Bartlett 13th round.

First off name ONE Yankee contract signing that compares to Zito's where the production simply wasn't there and the reason WAS NOT injury related?

haha lil' snot, I didn't even see that before. Is that your rapper name?? haha

Bartlett was a big part of them getting to the World Series buddy.. Where were you?

The same guy who hit 1hr and had 37 rbi's the whole season?

why do you always ask questions with exceptions?

Thats like saying name a guy on the Yankees, that has to be 24, and has to of had an 18-5 record, and had to of won the cy young, and had to be named Tim.

Obviously not a lot are gonna come up genius

"First off name ONE Yankee contract signing that compares to Zito's where the production simply wasn't there and the reason WAS NOT injury related?"

Injury risk is a part of a contract decision. Signing a 37 year old catcher to and contract just to have him get injured is still an equally bad decision.

Kei Igawa is one I can think of, 10mil per, for a minor leaguer, and add the posting fee before complaining that the numbers are incorrect

Hey hey hey dont you know we signed Igawa to be our AAA ace. Duhhhhhhh

"Hey hey hey dont you know we signed Igawa to be our AAA ace. Duhhhhhhh"

lol. I think the Yankees AAA team has a higher payroll than the Rays.

Here's hoping that Sabathia is the new Pavano.

stupid.. u never said they had to be drafted by that team

The Yankees wouldn't know what to do.. "oh you mean we can't just buy 10 new players??"

Posted by: SFG55 | November 14, 2008 at 06:37 PM

San Fran 2008 lineup

1. Fred Lewis
2. Jose Castillo
3. Randy Winn
4. Bengie Molina December 6, 2006: Signed as a Free Agent with the San Francisco Giants.
5. Aaron Rowand
6. John Bowker .
7. Rich Aurilia .
8. Omar Vizquel .

Didnt mean to send that yet. But to make things easier Fred Lewis and John Bowker are the only "home grown" talents you have in your lineup

Your paying Derek Jeter $21 million next year.. he hit 11 homers and his defense isn't even that great anymore. Don't talk about Rowand like he's a huge bust

How many rings does Jeter have?

"I said name one contract with money comparable to Zito that has been a bust. Igawa, for the Yanks, wasn't a big deal."

Come on man, seriously. Here is what the Yankess are paying for next year, I am not a fan of either team, and not a Yankee hater, just it is obvious they have been doing something wrong as of late. Yankees next year commitments:

Igawa: 4mil + 26/5= ~ 9mil
Posada: 13.1mil
Damon: 13mil
Matsui: 13mil
Jeter: 20mil

Every single one of those players is being vastly overpaid. That is just next years commitments. Posada and Matsui are question marks to even be able to play in the field. Jeter is getting paid for poor SS defense and an average bat. Damon is getting paid a premium as if he is a CF and he should go nowhere near CF.

Dude....the Yanks signed that deal when Jeter was 26!!! They rewarded their great young player and locked him up to a long term deal. The same reason why the Giants signed Barry Bonds to a long term deal. Well that and because Bonds had a super deal on "team vitamins" from BALCO.

Meanwhile, Jeter's making $20 mil as a captain and perenial all-star at age 34 going into his 9th year of the deal while ROwand is 31 and in his 1st year of his deal.

What's next, c'mon this is cool. I've got another 1hr to spare.

Hey yanksfan.. i didn't see you say anything to me.. couldn't come up with anything?

"Jeter is getting paid for poor SS defense and an average bat "

Hmm...I guess they always give Silver Slugger awards to guys with "average bats".
He had the HIGHEST batting average of ANY SS in the AL.

You want to find things wrong with the Yanks and how they do business, there are plenty...Jeter and his contract are not one of them.

By the way SFG what are you try to prove with all this? You still have the stink of Barry Zito on you and for all your talk that got you, what, 72 wins?

How many playoff appearances in the last 10 years?

Scoreboard!

thats right.... stfu

Seriously though wat the hell are you trying to get at.

sfg55 is just mad that Lincecum is going to pitch year by year and peace when he can be a free agent

Thats if Lincecum's arm doesnt fall off or his 160 pound frame collapse before that

Wow, a lot of hate for the Yanks.. Ha, good work boys.

It seems like there is a lot of hate because the Yankees spend so much money.. Who cares? Yankees had an insane payroll last season and look what it got them: a third place finish in the AL East, 8 games back from the TAMPA BAY RAYS!!! Poetic justice for them being a**holes? Maybe.. Think about it, the most prolific team in U.S. sports history (which I'm sure will be argued) in their last season in the most celebrated sports stadium in baseball.. Think of all the championships, all the immortals of baseball who played there, the history. How does that era end? With a bloated payroll and a series of terrible moves leading to a big fat dump in the middle of the House that Ruth Built.

I couldn't think of a better ending to that story, can you?

Look at the recent BIG moves the Yanks have made in the past few years:
Javier Vazquez... oops.
Randy Johnson... not bad but not great.
Jaret Wright..... ha.
Carl Pavano.. you know that's at the top of the blooper reel.
Posada extension.... brilliant because catchers get better as they age.
Johnny Damon... He gets paid how much for doing how little?!?!
Jason Giambi.... one of my personal favorites.
A-Rod..... Has played great, but he was brought there to win championships. Ooops.

When I'm a team pursuing a top free agent, I want nothing more than my blowhard hothead owner spouting off to newspapers about the contract negotiations. What could possibly go wrong.

Jeter most definitely does not play like an all star. He is old and not the same as he was in his heyday, and only makes it to the ASG because of his popularity...there are much more better shortstops in the MLB than Jeter. And Yankee fans, SFG55 just totally owned you all. Have fun with Zito 2.0

I'm sorry all you people are so jealous of the Yankees. They shed $88 million in payroll by not making stupid signing (Igawa & Pavano exceptions) over the past 4 years. They had this $88 million plan in place, plus they knew extra revenue would be coming from the new stadium and forget the advertising dollars that will be generated. Plus lucent tech. I believe is running HD wiring throughout the entire stadium to EVERY seat. Every seat will have a monitor & in the near future the fan can order food from it while using the touch screen to become part of the action and even communicate with the players themselves who will have these at their lockers! I don't know the exact details of it but I know it will be unlike any other stadium and not yet installed to every seat because the Yankees want to make sure when it is installed to every seat it is definitely the most state of the art breakthrough technology, as usual nothing but class. So that is why they are going to try to field the following lineup and believe me they can afford to go to a $500 million payroll.

Here is the lineup:

Damon CF
Jeter SS
Ramirez LF/DH 4 yr/ $96 mil.
Teixeira 1B/DH 8 yr/ $200mil.
ARod 3B
Matsui SH/LF
Nady/Swisher RF/1B
Posada C
Cano 2B

Great flexibility great lineup

Starting pitching:

CC Sabathia 6 year/ $150 mil.
Wang
Burnett 4 year/ $64 mil.
Lowe 3 year/ $50 mil.
Pettitte 1 year/ $12 mil.
Joba

$118.66 million/year + Marte

$123 mill.+

just $35 million gained on payroll and 10 times more than that in profits

Record 115 - 47

World Series Championship #27

Yanksrule,

See that's definitely being a greedy Yankee fan. There is no way in hell they're going to get Manny, Teixeira, CC, Lowe, and Burnett. You're not going to get anywhere by buying all these players! Don't you dipshits ever learn?

nymforlife

I went to A Met game years back and Strawberry had been gone for nearly 5 years, and one of your adult fans was asking why he wasn't playing. Second rate franchise, stadium, new stadium and fans. Jealous of the Yankees and not half as knowledgeable.

The Yankees are why the economy is so messed up right now. Seeing numbers like that in times like these just makes me sick.

nymet4life wrote:

I'd tale Hanley, Reyes, J-Roll, Tulowitzki and J-Roll before Jeter.

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As for Jeter since when is a .363/.408/.300 line bad for a SS? Jeter's step may have slowed but name another shortstop that has avg 200 hits, 80 rbis, a obp 0f .375 and a bavg well over .300 in the last 5 years? I'll wait...

Also, all the SS you mentioned were NL SS and I beleive the poster was making the point that he was one of the best AL SS. And just because you mention Jroll twice doesn't make him twice as good.

johnny d:

The Yankees are why the economy is so messed up right now. Seeing numbers like that in times like these just makes me sick.

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Wow thanks for giving the Yanks soo much credit. I didn't know we influenced the world's economy. Are we the reason for the wars in Iraq and Afghan, the melting of the polar caps and child obesity as well?

The yanks sign for talent first but respect and class is up there too. You think Manny would be allowed to keep dreadlocks in pinstripes? I don't think so as a Met definitely. It is not a culture or a religion it is an arrogance or disrespect for classiness or clean cut hard workers. Yanks would sign him (for more) with a claus in his contract and Girardi would sit him every day if he didn't comply.

Yanksrule has enlightened us all on the ways of the world. I am eternally grateful.

Why are we arguing about Manny's hair? And who cares how you look, all that matters is getting the job done. The Yankees shouldn't really care about beards, hair, etc.

Hmmmmmmm

Did the Yanks sign Zito to 7/126, Hampton to 8/121, Schmidt to 3/47, Zambrano to 7/92, Mastsuzaka to 6/103, Meche to 5/55 and Silva to 4/48.

It's the "smaller" market teams signing mediocre pitchers to huge contracts (Zito) that has set the precedent for guys like Santana. Santana has set the precedent for CC. So before you barking up the wrong tree about salaries for pitchers understand that it's the Hampton and Zito contracts that began this. When's the last time the Yanks gave a pitcher that many dollars/years? Mike Mussina back in 2001 to 6 yrs/88 mil? At least he delivered an avg of 15-8 w/ 200 innings for his dough.

nrmax88

urwlcmnow

nymforlife

you getting all huffy puffy is what I love, it shows you are a second class fan who knows little. It's okay, who cares, God bless! Let's go Jets! Let's go Islanders! The two other second rate organizations.