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According to Ken Rosenthal, Rafael Furcal declined the A's contract proposal of four years in the $35-40MM range. The A's then told Furcal's agent Paul Kinzer they're moving on. Kinzer says the door is still open, but Rosenthal says the A's won't raise their offer. The A's were thought to be Furcal's most likely suitor after they wined and dined him in Oakland. Rosenthal ponders whether Furcal would be willing to play second base to expand his market.
The A's will pencil in Bobby Crosby for another year while moving on to free agent targets such as Randy Johnson, Adam Dunn, Pat Burrell, and Jason Giambi.
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I'll eat crow if im wrong but this is just dumb on Furcal's part. I just dont see him getting a better offer than the one he just received from the A's.
Posted by: rollingdeuce | December 05, 2008 at 11:58 PM
If everything works out right, the Braves will sign Burnett, trade Kelly J. for a power hitter, and if Furcal's not signed by then, they should have enough to get him. I'm sure he would be willing to play 2nd for the Braves, who really need him!
Posted by: Brian | December 05, 2008 at 11:58 PM
furcal asked for 4 yrs and around 40mill..A's met his asking price...looks like both furcal and his agent expected a bidding war which never happened
Posted by: arly2380 | December 06, 2008 at 12:03 AM
There is no way that the Braves sign both Burnett and Furcal.
Furcal kind of screwed himself for waiting so long to sign. There aren't too many teams that need a SS anymore. 4/40 is the best that he's going to get and the A's know it.
Furcal will come around and sign with Oakland.
Which teams are left that even needs a SS anymore?
Posted by: green_and_gold | December 06, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Wow, i thought he would go to the A's. they have pretty much everything a FA wants. good young players(money to offer if the owner wants to). they added Holliday and looking at more power hitters. I would look to them as a very dangerous team.
Posted by: allstarlineup | December 06, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Any word if the White Sox are in on Furcal? If Dye ends up getting traded, Ramirez can shift out to CF and Owens/Wise/Anderson can fight for LF and Quentin flips over to RF, Getz can get 2B. Or Ramirez can take 3B, if the Sox can get a true CF.
Posted by: ChiSox33 | December 06, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Yeah, and then maybe Atlanta can take Adam LaRoche back in exchange for Kelly Johnson.
Man, if only the Braves were idiots...
Posted by: OperationShutdown | December 06, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Now they to LA and ask for 4/44, get rebuffed, and go back to Oakland, where the 4/40 may be gone.
Posted by: kinsler5 | December 06, 2008 at 12:07 AM
they can have both laroches if theyd like
Posted by: Josh Sharpless | December 06, 2008 at 12:08 AM
braves sign furcal, trade escobar to the twins for delmon young?
Posted by: minnesotawins | December 06, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Delmon Young isn't worth Escobar, especially after the year he had.
Posted by: OperationShutdown | December 06, 2008 at 12:12 AM
by furcal passing on what he was looking for financially and length wise this has to mean that atlanta is definitely in on furcal. dodgers seem to have moved on for the most part, the braves certainly can afford both furcal and burnett. they have 45-50 million to spend. javy vasquez 11.5, burnett 15, furcal 10. then smoltz re signs and other small signings push you close to 45 million. it works financially let's see if it happens
Posted by: bravesfan22193 | December 06, 2008 at 12:12 AM
yeah escobar did work and is an up and coming star, and comparing their major league careers this far isnt even a comparison. delmon young does hold the lead the league in umps hit with a bat every year
Posted by: Josh Sharpless | December 06, 2008 at 12:14 AM
dodgers havent moved on. a few days ago, on this site, a story said colletti wants furcal back, and they would def. talk, but they didnt want to match 13m a yr. it seems its the As and dodgers, and the as just dropped out...
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | December 06, 2008 at 12:19 AM
okay i was under the impression the dodgers had moved on, thanks for correcting me. either way i think this is a telling sign that either he will re-up with LA in the next few days or the braves have something planned
Posted by: bravesfan22193 | December 06, 2008 at 12:21 AM
just thought of something, sign furcal at 11m/per and you could have berroa/hu play 2nd with dewitt at third, OR you could also sign blake, non-tender berroa and have hu as a backup, OR sign furcal and blake and keep both hu and berroa, OR you could sign blake and furcal, keep berroa, and trade hu for pitching(part of jake peavy deal??)
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | December 06, 2008 at 12:22 AM
it wouldnt be just delmon more like delmon perk and a low lvl prospect for escobar is where they would start. It adds the possiblilty of a power bad a good solid back end of the rotation guy and another prospect. That should be somewhat close. Maybe swap in Blackburn for perk if need be
Posted by: Den_Orath | December 06, 2008 at 12:25 AM
Furcal just turned down the best offer he's gonna get,no teams gonna go higher for a guy who spent most of the year on the DL...He'll be back eventually and take the A's offer
Posted by: JT89 | December 06, 2008 at 12:26 AM
A guy coming off a pretty serious injury that caused him most of last year and declining a comfortable 4 year deal is just plain out stupid. If he want's more money i don't think he'll get it as it is IMO and this is just me but i think 13 million is too high anyways. I know this is coming from a Giants fan whose team just spent 18.5 million on Renteria but i'm glad we locked up Renteria instead of waiting and trying to get Furcal now. I don't really see any other team that is in need of a SS willing to top the As offer. Or maybe Furcal just didn't like what he saw when he went to Oakland( not going to lie, its not the prettiest place.)
Just my .02 but i think Furcal made a really big mistake here, the only team that i think would be willing to sign him for what he wants would be the Braves where i guess is the only logical place. The Giants are out, the Dodgers seemed to have moved on, the Cardinals have Greene and i don't see the Twins offering that type of money.
Furcal better hope the Braves show interest in him or some other team i highly doubt hes going to get an offer that is better than the A's reportedly offered.
Posted by: lincecum4cy | December 06, 2008 at 12:33 AM
I think its always possible that the A's trade Crosby anyways to either the Tigers or Dodgers, either before or to the team that misses out on Wilson. A's could shed Crosby's salary and use that towards Randy Johnson and Adam Dunn, then just use Cliff Pennington or Gregorio Petit at Short. After all, if you are going to have a no-hit SS anyways, might as well go with a cheap one with a glove.
The A's have a lot of Middle Infield depth in the minors now, but its ALL at lower levels. Coleman, Christian, Leyja and Weeks are all at Low A or below. Only Cardenas is at AA, but theoretically, if he develops, he could split time between AA and AAA in 2009 and be ready to play SS for the A's in 2010. If he sticks there, that is.
Posted by: Zonis | December 06, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Furcal must be drinking again, he's got big problems with booze apparently, and he would have to be, to turn down a 4 year deal.
Oh well the money goes to Dunn and Giambi, Im fine with Sweeney leading off anyway. Crosby is so bad at hitting though, Id like him audi...
Posted by: Athletic Domination | December 06, 2008 at 12:55 AM
Furcal should had taken that offer. Who else will offer that? Dodgers don't want to pay, Giants got their SS, Tigers wont pay all that money, they might get Wilson. Cardinals got Green. Good luck Greedy Furcal
Posted by: DominicanYanks | December 06, 2008 at 12:56 AM
I really dont think furcal declined looking for more money, i think he honestly didn't want to play in oakland. i think its either ATL or LA for furcal
Posted by: bravesfan22193 | December 06, 2008 at 01:19 AM
The Dodgers almost had a deal worked out with Furcal in May. I think Furcal thought he would get both the $12-$14M a year AND a 4 year deal. He'll probably go to the team that offers him the most money per season, either the Dodgers for 2 years or the Braves for 3 if they trade for Peavy.
Posted by: DodgersBruin | December 06, 2008 at 01:47 AM
He should of took it.
Posted by: NedCollettiClueless | December 06, 2008 at 01:51 AM
Was Furcal offered arbitration?
Posted by: beeniez | December 06, 2008 at 01:52 AM
Furcal was not offered arbitration.
Posted by: DodgersBruin | December 06, 2008 at 02:07 AM
i'm still holding out hope that the white sox are the mystery team and have cleared some payroll to sign him and move alexei to CF.
not likely, but hoping...
Posted by: palehose35 | December 06, 2008 at 02:35 AM
Maybe Furcal will take two years $22 million from the Dodgers will a vesting option for $13 million.
Depends how much confidence Furcal has in his own ability.
Posted by: MikeClarke | December 06, 2008 at 05:32 AM
Oakland is out - SF has ERent - Cards have Greene - once again I will state my predicition from previous threads that Furcal ends up with the Yankees
Posted by: touchmymonkey | December 06, 2008 at 05:58 AM
And plays where?
Posted by: DeJay | December 06, 2008 at 06:15 AM
Got to like Billy Beane, tells player and agent, we would like to have you, here is what we can afford, and intend to offer. If they do not like it he moves on. More GM'S should be like him.
Posted by: Cyyoung | December 06, 2008 at 06:30 AM
Monkey, how exactly do the Yankees end up with Furcal? I see only three unlikely situations where that is possible.
1. Furcal moves to Center Field. Not too far fetched, but still pretty out there.
2. The Yankees trade Robinson Cano and Furcal plays second base, less far fetched than him moving to Center, but I don't see it happening. The Yankees and Brian Cashman like Cano too much to trade him for anything less than a big time deal, and there just isn't one out there willing to be made.
3. The Yankees move Derek Jeter to LF/CF, and use Furcal as their SS. Very far fetched as the Captain refuses to see a day where he isn't between third and second base.
Posted by: Mattchu12 | December 06, 2008 at 07:19 AM
Honestly how many options does Furcal's agent think he really has? I can see ATL working out if they could get the Peavy deal to work and Burnett declines their offer but I think LA is a long shot for him and really noone else is going to pay that type of $ for him. He may become a real bargain for somebody later on this winter. But then he will pout and it won't be a real bargin anyway.
Posted by: MVPujols | December 06, 2008 at 08:09 AM
Where would Giambi fit into the A's mix? I was under the impression they wanted Barton to keep going at 1B.
Jack Cust can fill the power lefty bat with high OBP and lousy defense role for a lot less then Giambi (granted Cust doesn't play 1st).
Posted by: KangarooBoxer26 | December 06, 2008 at 08:35 AM
I could see above suggestion of Furcal with the Yankees and I think the scenerio of the Yanks dealing Cano is very reasonable.
Cano for Kemp with Furcal at 2B; assuming of course the Dodgers could sign Manny.
Another reason I like this is Jeter could also slide to 2B as his defense is declining with age.
Posted by: KangarooBoxer26 | December 06, 2008 at 08:42 AM
It appears Furcal and Kinzer tried to create a bidding war. They used Oakland with no intent to sign. Good for Beane to move on. Why waste anymore time.
Posted by: studio179 | December 06, 2008 at 09:02 AM
The A's pulling out of the race could be seen as pure posturization. If Furcal has one less option in terms of teams, his price goes down. And, if Furcal's price goes down, so does Cabrera's. A's can grab one of them.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 06, 2008 at 09:40 AM
The same offer won't be on the table if Furcal goes crawling back to the A's.
Dunn and Giambi make zero sense for the A's, unless someone's price drops so low to the point that they're taking a cheap 1 year deal.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 06, 2008 at 09:43 AM
Seems like a lot of sour grapes in here. I fail to see how furcal is dumb for not taking an offer that could be as low a 4 years 35mil. It would not surprise me if he could get quite close to that for 3 years. The only reason the As were considered the most likely suitor is that the rumors were saying they offered something like 4-48. So there is a lot of posturing going on but give me a break trying to say the market for furcal has dried up because greene and renteria went to new teams, neither of which probably had any intention of signing furcal.
Posted by: walkoffblast | December 06, 2008 at 09:46 AM
I'm not shocked the A's pulled out after their offer was rejected... I am shocked the offer was so low and it happened before the Winter Meetings. 4/45M would've probably gotten it done, and probably still will.
As an A's fan I'm hoping they'll be able to come back and revisit this. The other SS options are underwhelming to say the least and the A's have nowhere to put another corner outfielder or DH.
Difficult to see where the offensive improvement is going to come from without having to make a major sacrifice defensively with the rest of the available impact bats they can afford.
Posted by: jclay | December 06, 2008 at 11:14 AM
maybe Furcal is waiting for the Braves? He still has a house there and he thinks of Bobby Cox as a "Father figure". Either way, if that is the case he might be screwing himself. Worst case he could go back to the Dodgers for a one year deal and prove he is healthy and come back next year when the economy better.
Posted by: nathan | December 06, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Burnett- $16 mill.
Vazquez- $11 mill.
bat- $7-10 (probably Ludwick type)
Furcal- $10-11 mill.
Aprrox. $48 mill... nah, it probably wouldn't happen, but who knows?
Posted by: Brian | December 06, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Furcal to White Sox?
Posted by: andollio | December 06, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Furcal makes a ton of sense for the White Sox if they can trade Dye to the Reds. If not, they are perfectly content with having a very good solid young team to build around for many years to come.
Posted by: VerizonWireless | December 06, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Furcal is not going to become a bargain for anyone. He is worth too much to the Dodgers who need a SS, a leadoff hitter and a leader for their young guys. Once they get him, they can move to trade Pierre and the team can begin to take shape. Joe Torre has been adamant that Furcal is the key for the Dodgers and Ned's interest has never wavered.
Posted by: Hector | December 06, 2008 at 01:07 PM
Brian more like
Burnett 15-16 million
Vasquez 11.5 million
Furcal 10-12 million
Ludwick $0 million (he and kelly have similar contracts so there wouldnt be an increase or a minimal one)
Smoltz 3-5 million
Glavine 1-2 million
Dave Ross 1.5 million
Posted by: bravesfan22193 | December 06, 2008 at 01:31 PM
I like how at the end of the article Rosenthaul says furcal could make himself available to the mets and yankees by playing 2nd base. If you were the yankees would you trade Cano so you could have the opportunity to sign someone older and more expensive who just came off a major injury? And last time I checked, the Mets had one of the best leadoff hitters in the game. Thanks, Ken, for adding this absurd bit of speculation.
Posted by: smokestacks420 | December 06, 2008 at 02:24 PM
White Sox already have room, got rid of Javy!Bring in Furcal and move Ramirez to cf. They need to give Broadway a shot at the rotation, the kid knows how to win
Posted by: rfro | December 06, 2008 at 02:40 PM