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Cafardo's Latest: Pettitte, Kotsay, Red Sox

Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe has a number of items to cover in today's Sunday paper:

  • While the Mets are front-runners in the Derek Lowe sweepstakes, the Red Sox have a lot of money to play with having lost out on Mark Teixeira and could make a strong play to outbid competition.
  • The Dodgers and Rangers are interested in Andy Pettitte if he doesn't accept the Yankees reduced $10MM offer.
  • Don't rule out a return to the Red Sox for Mark Kotsay as a fourth outfielder and added infield depth.
  • Cafardo reports a source close to the talks says Teixeira was "very concerned" with Mike Lowell's fate should he sign with Boston, but that financial matters and the negotiations process removed that "awkward situation."
  • Jose Fernandez can play first and third base. He's 34 and just completed seven years in Japan, hitting 20+ HR every year. He could be an interesting right handed-hitting option for teams looking to add depth to their infield and DH.
  • The Red Sox, Orioles, Braves, Reds, and Cardinals remain interested in Kenshin Kawakami.
  • Now that Teixeira is gone, Jim Bowden is not interested in Manny Ramirez. Perhaps Adam Dunn?
  • The Sox are still unwilling to deal Clay Buchholz for Jarrod Saltalamacchia.


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pettitte just accept our offer already
sabathia
burnett
wang
pettitte
joba or hughes
maybe.start joba in the pen 8th inning guy

pettitte just accept our offer already
sabathia
burnett
wang
pettitte
joba or hughes
maybe.start joba in the pen 8th inning guy

It seems like every other day that the Boston Globe is putting out a statement from the Red Sox that they are going to hold firm to not trade Buchholz to the Rangers. Who cares? It isn't like the Rangers are going to give up any of their remaining catchers to the Red Sox if they don't get the personnel they want. Maybe instead of griping about the Rangers demands every other day, the Red Sox should look elsewhere for a catcher...unless they want Salty so bad that they aren't looking anywhere else.

please just trade Clay for Salty

I wonder if the Braves would be willing to resign Kotsay. Wren didn't burn any bridges by trading him. Trading him to Boston was a smart idea (Braves weren't contending, try to get value for the player). Kotsay would be a depth move, insurance for Francoeur in RF and insurance for Blanco/Anderson in CF(or he'd assume the starting CF job) until Schafer/Heyward/etc. are ready. Sign Kotsay as that 4th OF/depth at the IF positions, then sign the big OF bat.

I'm still convinced Josh Anderson is an AAAA type though. His '08 was definitely flukish. And, Braves brass obviously saw Kotsay as an improvement over Blanco/Anderson when they traded for Kotsay before the '08 season.

sign pettite and please please please please put joba in the pen after mo is gone we need a guy with papelbons mentality and i think joba has it


and if the redsucks are considering trading bucholtz why not trade him for a proven guy such as mauer just add maybe masterson, lowell and lowrie

What would it take for the NY Mets to acquire Vernon Wells? I know that the Blue Jays are trying to slash payroll and the Mets do need a corner outfielder. Plus the trade could allow Murphy to take over at 1B next year when Delgado leaves. Any way what would the Mets have to give up for Wells *while eating his salary*?

MadmanTX- Agreed. Rangers are in the position of power here.

The Rangers aren't going to contend in '09 just by making that catching trade. They can hold on a bit, and trade one of their catchers next offseason. They won't be contending until some of that pitching that's in the lower minors is contributing at the big league level.

If I were a Dodger fan, even though they just lost out on Randy Johnson and are losing a lot of players, I'd be pretty happy right now. As long as the Mets' owners want no part of Manny Ramirez, he's going back to LA, meaning the Giants are going to have some competition to win the NL West. Arizona still needs to add a bat who doesn't strike out as often as Barry Bonds stuck needles into his butt in 2001.

Listen if Andy Pettitte doesn't want to sign with the Yankees they shouldn't pressure him to do so. Go into the 2009 season with a tandem of Hughes/Aceves/Kennedy battling it out for the fifth spot, but be sure to add insurance in case one of them goes down in spring training or they just get flat out bombed. An interesting name is Brad Penny. He would come cheap for them probably on a 1 year deal and he would add strong insurance.

"and if the redsucks are considering trading bucholtz why not trade him for a proven guy such as mauer just add maybe masterson, lowell and lowrie"

Because the Twins don't do the trade. You have to think about both sides in a trade.

Rolling- If the Mets eat all of Wells' salary, they wouldn't have to give up anything of value.

RollingNightHawk, I'd say we could dump Luis Castillo on them, while also giving up Ryan Church and Bobby Parnell. I wouldn't do it, under any circumstances. Wells just has too much money on his contract, and he's not that great of a player. Manny is my first and only choice. After that, I'm fine with going to war with what we have in left. Murphy could put up a .300-15-70 line with over thirty doubles and a healthy OPS. Throw in Tatis, who we could project at .280-10-45, and you've got a .295-25-115 line in left, along with two healthy players for the postseason. Obviously, that's the best case scenario, but if the going gets rough, we can always trade for Matt Holliday on July 31st.

I dont know about that Stephen. I just saw on ESPN that Yanks might pull their offer back

Melonis Rex

Thats what I'm saying. They could add a OF who hits 20 hrs and drives in 100 rbi's every year while not giving up much. It is a perfect fit in my opinion.

(when he's not hurt)

if they yanks want to sigh penny they should have just resigned pavano

Rolling, do you have any idea how much money Vernon Wells makes? He got a seven-year, $120 million extension that starts next year! Why do you think the Blue Jays want to trade him? Wells may be worth 3/30, but not 7/120. That's ridiculous. No way on Mr. Wells. Manny or bust!

The Braves need to go ahead and get their feet in the door in the Japanese market. They need to sign Kawakami (god knows we still have the payroll space) and bring in a couple other cheaper guys (ie relievers, bench guys) to make Kawakami more comfortable and give us more depth.

Smoltz
Jurrjens
Vazquez
Kawakami
Glavine/Campillo

I know thats nowhere near top notch but it could very easily be above average.

Boston is pretty even with the Yankees right now but if they want to put their rotation over the top they ould sign Lowe. And all ive ever heard coming from the Braves organization is that they're interested in Kawakami...make an offer already. They can beat Boston's offer to him.

This is the first that I have heard of the Reds' interest in Kawakami (33). He'd be good at Great American given his ground ball tendencies.

Still the interest doesn't make any sense. The Reds' rotation as it stands is probably:

Harang (30)
Volquez (25)
Arroyo (31)
Cueto (22)
Owings (26)

Additionally, Ramirez (26), Bailey (22), and Thompson (22) could all factor into the rotation. The key is the youth the Reds have. Maybe - maybe Kawakami allows the young guys to get a bit more seasoned. But unless Cueto regresses and Owings is forced to play OF because the Reds run out Dickerson, Taveras and Bruce, an acquisition doesn't make sense.

bbxxj,
I agree with you 100%. If I wanted to pick our rotation this year that would be it.

Cafardo clearly planted the pettite story to try and make the yankees increase the amount of $$ they spend on Andy. Pettite has said again and again that he is not going to play for anyone but the yankees. Including LA and the Rangers. With all the news planted by the yankees that they are looking to pull their offer, Cafardo is simply helping andy out by trying to provide him some leverage. Its all negotiating BS being played by both sides.

Bottom line - Andy will have to resign with the yanks at 11.5-12 million or he'll retire

Two questions for the Braves fans. The first one might be ignorant, but what happened to Tim Hudson? Secondly, how can you assume anything with John Smoltz? Here's how I'd line up the Braves (without Hudson):

Jurrjens
Kawakami
Campillo
Vasquez
Smoltz/Glavine/Reyes

Never mind, I see that he had Tommy John surgery. Man, the injuries Atlanta has dealt with are ridiculous. You can't project anything with that team. Which I guess is a good thing, considering they play in the Mets' division.

"Obviously, that's the best case scenario, but if the going gets rough, we can always trade for Matt Holliday on July 31st."

I have a feeling that the trade meme of 2009 will be Matt Holliday. Let's just say: any Matt Holliday trade package has to have at least one GOOD 3B/SS prospect. Close to MLB ready is also heavily desired.

@metsobsessed:

Smoltz is a FA so he certainly can sign anywhere he chooses, but since missing out on alot of signings we have the money, payroll, and desire to bring him back. He has always said he would want to come back and the Braves would be able to give him his choice of a starting spot or a pen role. He is ahead of schedule in his rehab and is already looking really good but its not a sure thing that he'll be back healthty either.

metsobsessed,
Well we really cant put alot of the weight on Smoltz's shoulders this year because of injury. And the Braves organization is looking elsewhere to find someone to lead the rotation. And yes Hudson had Tommy John surgery and wont be back until late next season. So assuming the Braves sign Kawakami and Smoltz isnt ready by opening day, I think the rotation would look like...
1.Vazquez
2.Jurrjens
3.Kawakami
4.Campillo
5.Glavine/Hanson/Mortan
...and yes this is all good news for you mets fan but the winter aint over yet

money, *flexibilty*, and desire

And because Smoltz may be a question mark come opening day ive been suggesting the Braves sign the likes of Kawakami and another midlevel starting pitcher. Like a Garland or Byrd. It would be tough to pick out an ace in that rotation but i think Vazquez would do a good job leading the staff til the great Smoltzie returns. But before the Braves get their left fielder they need to sign Kawakami...

BravoMan- Why would the Braves target Garland? They don't need another back of rotation type on a multiyear deal. Assuming Kawakami's a #3-4 type, the Braves have no need to target another BOR type.

Byrd makes sense on a 1 year deal though.

Jurrjens (How many pitchers put up such dominance at age 22? This guy was a HIGH 2 last year, I'd peg him for ace type performance this year).
Vazquez - (Medium 2, especially in NL)
Kawakami - I'll go conservative and say a low #3 type, although could surprise.
Campillo- I think he puts up the numbers of a #4.
Byrd/Hanson/Morton/Reyes- (I do the whole service time thing with Hanson, he shouldn't be on the opening day roster IMO)

How is Javier Vasquez a medium 2? Absolutely not. The Braves don't have a 2 starter, other than Jair Jurrjens, who might be a number 1. They have Campillo, who is a solid 3, and Vasquez, who is a 4 or a high 5. The Braves rotation SHOULD look like:

Jurrjens
Lowe
Kawakami
Campillo
Vasquez

With all the money they were throwing at D.L. Burnett, they certainly can afford to go after Lowe and Kawakami. I have no idea why Frank Wren isn't pursuing him. Is he afraid of Omar Minaya and Theo Epstein driving the price up. The Red Sox don't need Lowe, and the Mets (unfortunately) have Oliver Perez as a backup option.

In other news, it really seems like the Red Sox are screwed at the cather position. Everyone knows they're desperate and Red Sox owners don't budge even if it hurts them in the end.

rex how is trading mauer not in their plans. ex johan santana, they will not be able to keep mauer so trade him for young semi-proven talent such as bucholtz, masterson, lowrie and a needed 3b in lowell where as the left side of minnys infield consist of punto and brian buscher?

Phillies will be in on Matt Holliday, and we have Jason Donald to dangle, among SP's Happ and Carasco. Could even add one of our OF's to the A's as well...

melonis rex,
Yea Garland isnt exact what I had in mind either but i was jst thinking out loud. What i ment was the Braves may want to sign Kawakami and possibly someone else for short-term. I wouldnt mind resigning Glavine and having him as a number 5 if he proves healthy.
metsobsessed,
I dont know why Wren isnt pursuing Lowe. He stated at the end of the season he would then after Burnett he kinda gave up on that. And I dont see Jurrjens as a number 1...yet. I would have Lowe ahead of him and Vazquez is much better than Campillo. Vazquez is a 2 0r 3 not a 5.

Bucholtz for Salty...that's not too bad of a trade. Salty has serious potential behind the plate and that way they wouldnt have to worry about a catcher for a long time if he proves he can be a consistant hitter.

Pudge to Red Sox a consideration???

Pudge is a backup catcher id say. I wouldnt touch him if i were Boston...

"Phillies will be in on Matt Holliday, and we have Jason Donald to dangle, among SP's Happ and Carasco. Could even add one of our OF's to the A's as well..."

Phillies and A's could match up so perfectly for a deadline party. IDK about Holliday's ability to play RF though and moving Raul Ibanez to RF is extremely stupid.

I'd think the OF would be more appealing than the pitcher, since the A's have more high ceiling with an ETA of 2010 (Cahill, Anderson, Mazarro, Simmons, Gio, along with Gallagher at the MLB level) than OF depth, but you can never have too much pitching.

But, will Donald be able to stick at SS though?

BravoMan- I agree with you on Lowe. The Braves need to be in on this guy. He's good.

melonis rex-and lets say the Braves go for Lowe and Kawakami, think of our 2010 rotation...
1.T.Hudson
2.D.Lowe
3.J.Jurrjens
4.J.Vazquez
5.K.Kawakami
...yea that'd be kewl

pvilly131,

Mauer is a hometown kid (born and raised in St. Paul) and the Twins have shown a willingness to spend money on their guys with Morneau and Nathan. They're also moving into a new publicly financed stadium, which will increase revenues, and it would be a huge PR nightmare if they lost Mauer after the tax-payers put up so much money.

The Twins are also in prime position payroll wise to seriously increase Mauer's salary once his current deal expires, as only Nathan and Morneau are signed beyond 2010 (Punto and Cuddyer have buyouts), and Nathan could easily be moved for prospects to open up even more room in the payroll for Mauer.

Holliday's a free agent after this year, and he's definitely not re-signing with the A's so I think the best move would be to wait until the offseason to sign him, that way Billy Beane doesn't steal your farm and you'll only lose 2 picks.

If they sign Lowe, Huddy's option is as good as declined. They won't block Hanson.

"Byrd makes sense on a 1 year deal though. "

If Byrd wanted 1 year he could have gotten that from Boston through arbitration and with a considerable raise over his 7.5 million 2008 contract. Byrd is looking for a 2-3 year contract and someone desperate for a 4-5 starter (Pirates, Milwaukee) will end up giving to him, but probably at a tad less than his 2008 salary.

I still disagree with you Rex on texas holding the cards with it's 3 catchers. They are relegating themselves to a .500 season at BEST with that lousy pitching staff they have. None of the young pitchers they have (except boston import Gabbard) are expected to make much of an impact this year and Millwood and padilla re .500 pitchers at best they would love to unload if they could on somebody, no, they hold no cards in this proposal, which is why Boston is still only offering Dabile Bard, or Bowden for salty only, plus texas giving Salty and someone else for Bowden in any catcher deal is why this has not been done or Boston will look elsewhere or go with Kotteras/Brown plus some old timer in 2009.

If you were building a team, who would you want at catcher?

I say Mauer.

Forgot, as far as Kotsay, he may be able to play OF and some 1B 9and a fav of Francona) but I would prefer to see Sean casey back, only it ain't gonna happen. casey is a hitting/OB machine and was great at getting that hit when needed to get on base, he just can't move at all anymore.

rex,
Well I actually think if they sign Lowe the Braves wont sign any more pitchers this offseason. So that would open up a spot for Hanson in 2010. But lets say the Braves sign Sheets then id go for another SP for extra insurance...

johns- They're not contending in '09 though. I'd rather my team (I'm not a Rangers fan; this is a general statement) have a sub-.500 season and NOT sell low on pieces and continue to build for the future (and make smart trades, i.e. get max value for the young catchers) than make hasty moves to make a shot at finishing 1-2 games above .500.

Regardless. The AL West will either belong to the Angels or the A's. One new young pitcher (which is what they'll get w/ the Salty trade), is NOT going to get them to contention. They won't be contending until Feliz/Holland/Main/etc. are ready, and that'll be 2010-2011 and beyond. So, they are in no need to trade a catcher now unless they really think his value is going to be gone after '09.

Mauer=best catcher in Al...possibly MLB

Can someone help me out? What's the physical status on Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder and Mark Prior? Any eta as to when they might be ready to pitch again?

why do i see the twins takign a chance on jose fernandez? the whole tony bautista thing didn't work out too well, but if fernandez is cheap, why not give him a shot.

Hudson may be ready by the end of next season but its not for certain. Thta's all i know YanksFanSince78. Not a bad year to start watching the Yanks by the way. That was the Bucky F***en Dent year lol!

melonis_rex:

I agree with you on the Texas thing. How can anyone say Boston has any leverage on Rangers when the Rangers are hold C's that Boston covets? And Ryan is no dummy. After reading his article I was sort of excited, even though I'm obviously not a Rangers fan. I think that Ryan has the knowledge to put together some great arms in Texas and I can't see him trading Salty for anything less than Buccolz. Why would he? They're all under control for a few more years and salary isn't an issue, and your right, they are a couple of years from being contenders.

Yeah...I was a kid that year and remember going to a Burger King and getting a pack of the special Topps cards they offered as a promotion. My pack had Jim Beattie, Munson and CLiff Johnson, if I remember correctly. Loved the 'staches and starting watching/going to games whenever my mom would let me.

That's so awesome Yanksfan. My aunt took me to a Braves game awhile back and ive been in love with baseball ever since. I hope to pursue a career in baseball one day. Not playing, but a some type of management or agent postion...

Good for you! I am in the entertainment biz (music is my first love) but if I weren't I would definetly pursue something in baseball management/agent as well. A friend of mine is a sports agent, but most of his clients are NFL and NBA players. I think he has one guy who was playing for the Cardinals but I think he was dropped. You missed the last mlb job fair (it was during the winter meetings) but you should check out this site and reach out to them:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/info/jobs.jsp

When the season ended I was pretty shocked the Sox didn't just try to extend Kotsay another year right then and there.

He is nice insurance if Ellsbury doesn't turn the corner and his ability to play 1B really helped out with Lowell injured.

For too many years the Sox have wasted a bench spot on a backup 1B who provided little other help; so Kotsay being able to play anywhere in the OF, including CF and being able to play 1B would be very helpful to freeing up a roster spot for a bigger, less defensive oriented Right Handed Bat.

Thanks Yanksfan! I'll check that out:)

Re: Rangers catching.

The dilemma the Rangers face with their catchers is;

right now Salty / Teagarden can be considered starting catcher material for argument of a trade.

After next year, one of them will be a starting catcher and the other will ultimately be labled a "backup" catcher. Unless the Rangers ignore reason and just let them split time equally, but even then, one of them will have better numbers to show.

At that point, its my feeling that one of them loses value.

Also, the list of veteran catchers who would be servicable options is pretty long right now. If the Sox don't get the price they want they will just sign 2 of these guys for cheap and then let the Rangers decide which of Teargarden or Salty is going to be their starter for the future; at which time the Sox will probably be able to trade for the backup at a reduced price.

Right now, the Rangers are doing what they should which is holding out for top value; but utimately I think a deal gets made that doesn't include Buchholz unless the Rangers also include extra value beyond Saltalamachhia in return.

Nelson Cruz is considered by some to be a AAAA player but he is a power Right Handed bat that could fit the Sox needs in that department; so perhaps the deal could be expanded to include Cruz which is a risk for the Rangers to give up a guy with his potential but at his age his "potential" is running out of time to translate.

Obviously the Sox would need to include more to take on Cruz but this might be a way to get the risk/reward more equal for both teams.

"If you were building a team, who would you want at catcher?"

Wieters.

This is the whole confusing point of trading for a top dollar catcher of the likes of Salty/teagarden/Montero etc and giving up a prospect like a Buch, or Bowden for example and why i do not think that the front office will not do it here:

The Sox have several catchers already that they think will work out fine in Exposito and Wagner in 1 to 1 1/2 years and do not think that giving up 1 of the 2 best starting pitching prospects that they have for an iffy catching prospect is a worthwhile gamble. Starting pitchers are much harder to bring along than a catcher, especially ones that throw 95, have 3 good pitches and 1 of which already has a ML no hitter. it just makes no sense from a fan's perspective to trade that kind of talent, a 23 year old pitcher like that, for an unproven rookie catcher period.

If i were building a team, my catcher without a doubt is Joe Mauer.

The Red Sox are in trouble without a catcher, the Rangers are even BIGGER trouble without pitching. Something will get done.

Why do you guys keep talking about Joe Mauer . hes not going nowhere . Hes the last Twin you could trade for . Salty 's your answer , you have plenty of pitching , and we're not trading for anything less its a good trade for both .

I was one of the lucky ones that got to see both play in Double AA, Mauer and Weiters, here in New Britain. All I can say is the AL is going to have 2 stud catchers on the All-Star team for a long time.
One of the best ganes ever saw pitch in AA Bucholz VS. Matt Garza 1-0 win Bucholz 14 K'S 2BB 2 hits. That is why I am very against of getting rid of him. Called up after game to Boston 2 starts later no-hitter. Theo Epstein was at this game too, against Garza, surprised we didn't make a trade for him.

Buchholz is just worth more than Salty at this time. Salty has has not dominated since 2005 in Single A (.3137/.3939/.5185). In the majors he has just been mediocre (.260/.3274/.3992) over the last three years. The fact that he may not be able to stay at catcher because of his mediocre to poor defense makes him even more risky. Buchholz has dominated in the minors (ERA in 2007 and 2008 of 2.44 and 2.30). He played poorly last year in the majors (6.75 ERA in 76 IP) after a playing well in 2007 (1.59 ERA in 22.2 IP). This year one of Teegarden or Salty will be a backup, lessening their value. The Rangers should probably trade Teegarden now while his value is high. The Rangers should be happy to get Masterson and Bowden for Salty. I'm am a fan of neither the Rangers or the Red Sox so I am neutral in this matter.

I'd give up Buchholz for Salty. There are very few hitting catchers and Salty seems like he could turn into a very good MLB catcher. I'd take him on the Yankees in a second.

I dont feel confident in Owings or the others you listed for a 5th man.

Kawakami would be a good fit here and allows the younger guys to mature, get better, and learn something from a good vet from a different atmosphere.

Wow the Reds are in on Kawakami. Whether they sign him or not is moot. The fact they are looking at him and are interested is a far place away where they were a couple of years ago. Add in they signed Juan Duran, and a couple other young 16 year olds from the Dominican, the Reds are players!

Fernandez last year in the minors (2001) he put up a .338 average with 30 HR in AAA and a 1.034 OPS. Surprised the guy never got a shot. Could be worth a look, for sure.

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