C.C. Sabathia Rumors: Monday

The Giants should be trying to look into Texieria, Manny Rameriz and Adam Dunn, not Sabathia. IMO

hey tim,
Wasn't that how the Jays got AJ to sign in Toronto well part of it with that Opt-Out Clause?

Did Burnett have an offer on the table that had a significantly higher AAV than the one he signed with Toronto? If not the comparison is inapt.

how much is sabean regretting that zito contract now...they could easily have sabathia-lincecum-cain-sanchez at the same payroll they have now. without making any upgrades to the offense, that team is a playoff contender already.

sad. sabean really screwed it up.

"A 3 year buyout option likely has little appeal given the injury risk that accompanies CC's body type."

It's the small guys that are the injury risks, not the big guys.

The only injury concern with CC is the high inning counts the past two years, but the big body means he's more likely to handle it well.

Long term though, the concern is CC's conditioning. But I don't think an athlete can handle his body worse than David Wells did, and he still managed to pitch into his 40's.

Just sign already CC so the rest of the market can be set.

Did people forget about a guy name D. Wells? CC looks like a model in fron of him.

Wells only missed significant time in one year from age 27 through 37. If Sabathia follows that model, color me thrilled.

just. get. this. done!

Yankees need to move on from C.C.

Sign Sheets or Burnett, re-sign Pettitte, sign Tex or Manny.

the thing is guys...david wells and bartolo colon are famous for not having a work ethic

CC sabathia has a great work ethic...hes just heavy

bartolo colon doesnt do much in the offseason to keep in shape

david wells often said himself that he barely did anything to prepare for a season and never worked out

CC works out all the time..and being in shape is different for a pitcher than a position player

And, to reiterate, Wells is a terrible example if you're trying to imply that Sabathia is going to breakdown.

I mention D. Well because he also was "out of shape" and was huge in big games with the Yanks. I don't think they Yanks should sign Manny. Tex is the guy, a few year ago they missed on Beltran and look now. Tex plays gold glove 1B and that is what they need. Besides the bat, he brings a really good glove, Manny brings a big bat and huge drama and no defense. Tex is now and furure, Manny is just now.

You read that Yankee haters in went "GREAT"

alright there my Dominican friend RELAX.

Who is the source from CC's camp or the Yankees. I would trust it more if it was from CC's camp. That being said I think the Yankees end up with him because of sheer dollars, no other reason.

oh and if you're wondering WHY there are so many Yankees haters out there check out post seven below yours. You're not shopping at Macy's people, its free agency. I'll take one of these, two of those and one of these" is how the Yankees are perceived.

I am very surprised that the Yankees have interest in Sheets. Sheets seems like a total national league pitcher country boy to me...

Sheets is an excellent pitcher. he misses bats, has good control and keeps the ball in the park. The downside is he has trouble staying healthy. A healthy Sheets would do fine in the AL.

I like him becasue I think he'll be chaeper and on a shorter deal than AJ and frankly, I look at Sheets/Joba/Hughes as 450-480 innings total of pretty good pitching. 3 people for 2 slots keeps Job and Hughes in-line with their IP and assumes Sheets will miss some time here or there with a minor injury.

It's not like I am the GM (although that would rock), it is just how I would look at Sheets for the Yankees' perspective going into 2009.

Sure, but he was willing to put Igawa in that deal so it wasn't all bad, right?

"Sure, but he was willing to put Igawa in that deal so it wasn't all bad, right?"

Right.

we all have our biases, i agree. and that is perfectly fine; human nature to be emotionally invested in a team.

that being said, it is also human nature to take 140million versus 110 over the same period of time. do you guys think he prefers the NL to such a degree to leave 30 million on the table?

and with the case of pitching in/near the bay area, how many days during the 6 month season would he be able to live at home, anyways? assuming SF is really a contender here, 50 nights in his hometown bed? LAA; long commute? it seems like a stretch by the media to me.

"that being said, it is also human nature to take 140million versus 110 over the same period of time. do you guys think he prefers the NL to such a degree to leave 30 million on the table?"

I get what you're saying, but I don't really agree. Lets lower the money to our levels: I know I certainly wouldn't take $140K to work somewhere in Alabama versus $110K to work closer to family/friends on the east coast. That's the one reason I won't be annoyed at anyone if Sabathia decides to head out West. Yanks are doing everything *in their control* to get their guy, if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out.

NJM,

I see what you are saying, too. However, going on your assesment, 30k does not mean much of a difference in lifestyle. 30 million means a great deal of a difference of lifestyle. That does not mean CC takes the money. It depends on what he feels is best. I don't know the man. But that comparison is not the same. I see what you are trying to say in family values.

You gotta respect CC for taking his time to make the right decision for him and his family. Most players would jump on the bills but he wants to get the right deal. And it makes sense cause the guy gives it everything he's got and will be doing so for the next six years.

"$30MM means a lot in general terms, but does it really mean that much when its on top of $110MM? What would Sabathia have to go without if he accepts "only" $110MM over 6 years that the extra $30MM could get him? A guy pulling down a guaranteed $110MM (on top of past earnings and future earnings after this contract)" How about setting your kids, grand kids, great grand kids etc up with enough money that they can do whatever they want in life and be able to live comfortably.

"Also, there's an article making the rounds where Bill Madden quotes an industry source as saying Greg Genske is "dead as an agent" if Sabathia ends up signing for $120MM."

This quote is what's wrong with baseball.

Yeah cause CC has no choice in where he chooses to play. Now I know Man Ram is going to the highest bidder cause he's admittedly all about the $$$ but I think CC is a little more concerned about playing somewhere he'll be happy.

"I see what you are saying, too. However, going on your assesment, 30k does not mean much of a difference in lifestyle. 30 million means a great deal of a difference of lifestyle. "

You want to tell me what part of your lifestyle you would have to cut out with 110 million dollars, that you wouldn't have to with 140 million? Maybe if you have 14 houses, a yacht, a timeshare on a jet, and a couple of small countries on the 110 million dollar salary, you wouldn't be able to afford an unlimited plan on your cell phone like you would with the 140 million, but aside from that, whats the difference?

""Also, there's an article making the rounds where Bill Madden quotes an industry source as saying Greg Genske is "dead as an agent" if Sabathia ends up signing for $120MM."

Bill Madden is one of the biggest morons I have ever seen in my life. He is worthless. He said that on Daily News Live on SNY. But the thing is, this makes literally no sense at all. He gets his guy 140 million, but his guy prefers to take the 110 and play at home. Why the hell would he be dead as an agent? Bill Madden is bumbling old idiot. Union be damned, CC can play wherever he wants. If he chose to he could sign for a million bucks and nobody could do a damn thing about it.

sabernar,

In the past 4 years Sheets has made 22, 17, 24, and 31 starts. Over the same time period Burnett has made 32, 21, 25, and 34. Burnett has a worse injury history in the sense that he missed almost all of 2003 and about half of 2004, while Sheets threw 200+ innings every year from 2002-2004, but once you start focusing on recent history Burnett does start to look a little bit safer.

Don't forget, the players union will be 'pushing' him to accept that extra 30 million.

"4:32pm: Sabathia apparently told Colletti he wants to be a Dodger. Speaking to reporters, Colletti left it as a "possibility" the Dodgers could get involved."

At this point... I'll just believe whatever when CC signs.

Haven't we seen this with the Angels already? They claim they want to stop with their biggest priority and go after something less important to them. I think Colletti is trying to get Manny to respond and drive up prices possibly. Or he may be serious, but I don't think so.

i think 5/115 would get the job done for the angels or the dodgers for cc

Some people posting what's the difference between 110 & 140 million are the same ones complaining over gas prices in July. There is a difference.

If you believe the reports of CC telling Colletti he wants to be a Dodger, then all Colletti has to do is offer 80 million. Going on the theory of 110 to 140 million or 'what can you do with an extra 30 million', right? Ofcourse, it would be 60 million to the Yankees offer. Still, That would not fly.

I guess if the Dodgers offered something less, but competitive, he would sign in LA because he wants to be near home. Like SWP posted, I'll believe where he signs, when he signs.

Ny has pretty high property taxes whihc is why they have good school systems. It's probably one of the reasons alot of NY athletes live in the burbs in Jersey or CT.

"Some people posting what's the difference between 110 & 140 million are the same ones complaining over gas prices in July. There is a difference."

of course there is a difference between 110 and 140 million dollars. nobody is claiming 110 million LA dollars are better than 140 million NY dollars.

the point is that a majority of the material we've read from ESPN analysts, close friends of sabathia's and beat reporters indicate that CC would love to pitch in california, whether it be with the giants, dodgers, or angels. his shunning the highest bidder in favor of nicer weather, proximity to family, and desire to hit in the NL would undoubtedly be a step out of the ordinary for a player of his caliber.

i guess with only 110 million dollars he will only be able to buy 32 mansions and 12 private islands opposed to 40 mansions and 15 private islands.

the gas prices comparison was baffling. are we really going to compare struggling middle class citizens to the guy who is going to be the richest pitcher in history?

jmurray, I was referring to another poster who was trying to compare middle class money with millionaire money. My comments are baffling to you because his comment of his comparrison was baffling to me. I knew someone would focus on the gas comment and not the bigger picture. You kind of jumped in the middle and did not catch the beginning. If you did, you would see at least where I am coming from. You may still disagree, that's ok.

My point is there is a difference between 110 & 140 unlike the poster was claiming. I think the other poster and I do agree that total dollars is not everyone's objective. Is it CC's or not? It looks like it is not, but until a deal is done, we don't know.

"of course there is a difference between 110 and 140 million dollars. nobody is claiming 110 million LA dollars are better than 140 million NY dollars."

I thought the 110 million offer was from Milwaukee, not LA. I was not aware LA made an official offer yet. They will.

I think CC wanting to meet with the yankees two times is a good sign for them.

If the Giants weren't gonna make a run at Sabathia, wouldn't they just openly state that? If they weren't thinking very seriously about givign him an offer, they wouldn't be so deliberately unclear on their intentions.

I agree, I think the Giants are being vague about their intentions for the simple fact that he decides to sign with the Yankees... I think the Giants do have an idea, that they probably cannot get Tex or Manny, they probably won't be able to trade for a huge bat w/out moving Cain, so, their #1 priority IMO is CC Sabathia. Hell, even with a line-up where your 3 4 5 hitters end up Sandoval, Cantu, Molina... With a rotation of Timmy, CC, Cain, Zito.... Who cares?

Dear Red Sox,

GTFO!

Thanks.