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Dodgers Starting With Infield

More from Ken Rosenthal.  The FOX hot stove guru says the Dodgers plan to sort out their infield before worrying about starting pitching.  They can use Blake DeWitt at second or third, but that still leaves them two infielders short.

Casey Blake is the obvious free agent fit at the hot corner; maybe the Dodgers will stretch and give him that third year.  If they miss out on Blake they could always go for Joe Crede.  It doesn't sound like Ned Colletti plans to sign any of the top three free agent shortstops, while talks have stalled for Jack Wilson.  Just wondering, how about a trade for Miguel Tejada or Jason Bartlett?

Rosenthal sees plenty of starting pitching options for the Dodgers, tossing out names like Randy Wolf and Randy Johnson.  Meanwhile Tom Krasovic says the Dodgers are gathering information on Johnson, Andy Pettitte, and Trevor HoffmanKen Gurnick adds Russ Springer to the mix.  The Dodgers are searching for a veteran who can help the team's young pitchers.

Rosenthal considers re-signing Manny Ramirez a longshot, meaning the Dodgers may have to turn to another free agent like Adam Dunn to replace his OBP and power.


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Go after Tejada the Astros would love to give that salary away.

Resigning Manny a longshot? Considering that nobody seems to be breaking down Boras' door to talk about him, why act frantic about signing him at this point? As for a Tejada trade, um, no. As for Wolfe coming back, sounds like a good Idea, Chavez Ravine's a lot closer to Slash's old house than anywhere else ;)

The Dodgers do seem like a good fit for Tejada, and I doubt they would have to give up much since Houston is so desperate to unload salary.

BUT as an Astro fan its gotta be pretty hard to swallow trading all those prospects for one year of Tejada.

Ok..call me crazy..but would the dodgers be interested in this trade--

Reds Recieve-
Jaun Pierre
Matt Kemp

Dodgers Recieve-
Bronson Arroyo
Edwin Encarnacion
--bailey/stubbs/dickerson/dorn/cumberland

Guess the dodgers cant afford any of the big name Shortstops out there or Manny. What a joke.

GmblngPtchr20, Awful Trade.

Dodgers would need a helluva lot more to move Kemp.. like Edinson Volquez

Ok..call me crazy..but would the dodgers be interested in this trade--

Reds Recieve-
Jaun Pierre
Matt Kemp

Dodgers Recieve-
Bronson Arroyo
Edwin Encarnacion
--bailey/stubbs/dickerson/dorn/cumberland


in one word, no

that is an awful trade!

but remember, nothing was said by colletti, other than infield first. dont believe we're out of manny or cc

For me, the success of this offseason starts and ends with Manny. Seeing what he did last year I'm convinced you could surround him with a AAA team and he'd get you to the playoffs. That should be priority #1. As far as the top 3 shortstops, I could take them or leave them. I love love love Raffy (especially the way he runs up in the batter's box when he bunts...i'll miss that the most), but the health risk is just too much to go more than 2 years. Renteria and Cabrera, blah. Sign Blake for 3rd and let Hu, Berroa, and Dejesus battle it out for shortstop. Then sign Randy Johnson, Randy Wolf, or Andy Pettite and get one of those scrap heap reclamation project starters that always seem to do so well in the Ravine. Get another bullpen arm (Hoffman, Cruz, Wood, etc.) and we're good to go.

But again, sign Manny, he's the key. Good for business, good for baseball.

What would the Rays want for Bartlett?

For the Rays, they would only trade Bartlett if it addresses an area on their own team. These being, rightfielder, DH, and bullpen arm. I know Dodgers fans are very partial to Kemp and Either, but I bet that is who they would target. Further, the Rays have starting pitching that could fill another hole for the Dodgers. My thinking is that something along the lines of Bartlett and Sonnanstine for Kemp/Ethier is what they would propose.

"What would the Rays want for Bartlett?"

Rays need an OF and/or bullpen help.

While it would hurt giving up a key player like kemp/ethier, right now on the free agent market, corner outfielders are the easiest position to fill. The only reason the Rays would seek an outfielder from the Dodgers rather than sign a free agent is because of the limited money they have to spend. Unlike the Dodgers, they dont have a ton of money to spend and have to be creative. For example, the two teams could make the afore mentioned trade and then the Dodgers could sign Pat Burrell (or a comparable player). In trading for two players like Sonnanstine and Bartlett, who combined would make around 2 million in 09 and under team control for 4 and 3 years respectively, it filles two holes leaves them more money to quickly fill right field via free agency.

The dodgers have decided to close the register, the best they will add this off season is a couple of slugs for the infield, and an over the hill sore armed pitcher or two.34 million in payroll for a sore armed lost his stuff jason schmidt, and oops I lost my bat speed and ability to hit major league pitching andrew jones. and why was andrew jones smiling after his strike out. I guess it is because he earns about 110,000 a game.COLETTI KNEW THAT SCHMIDT LOST HIS ARM SPEED, AND JONES HIS BAT SPEED, BUT SIGNED THEM ANYHOW.

I thought the Dodgers were interested in Dunn before the 2007 trade deadline but passed because of his BAD Defense?

How would signing Dunn two years later make any sense? Are the Dodgers going to shrink the size of Left Field so as to increase Dunn's range?

I tell you what, Dunn would have a hard time following Manny's act and Dodgers' fans would get tired of Dunn REAL quick when they saw his BAD Defense combine with his lack of ability to drive in Runs when not hitting Home Runs.

delmonmvp---

If your moniker ever occurs, color me shocked.

Yeah, but now the Rays need a SS, unless they're willing to deal with Reid Brignac's .299 OBP in AAA-Durham. Brignac's not MLB-ready.

I really like Sonnanstine, but his ceiling is that of a #3 starter. If the Dodgers are going to trade Ethier, it HAS to be for more than a middling SS and a #3 starter. Pretty much, in other words, Jeremy Hellickson or Wade Davis is an absolute must in the deal. Absolute must.

I think Magglio Ordonez is the best target for a Bartlett-centered package.

ctownboy- Umm, they traded two top prospects for Casey Blake, who is incredibly s#itty defensively.

I think the Dodgers could get Dunn.

I love how Tim/Ken despise the Dodgers. Manny signing with the Dodgers a long shot? Who else seeks his services? I highly doubt anyone would offer Manny anything near what the Dodgers are offering. No one needs Manny as much as the Dodgers do.

delmonmvp--

Oh, also, you did say the Rays have limited payroll, but I think they could squeeze one big name guy in. I think they had about 15MM to spend, assuming they trade Jackson for something.

alcyonekris--

Manny is a long shot because the McCourts (Dodger owners) came out and made comments that insinuated that they probably won't spend much money on FAs.

Manny will be expensive.

ctownboy- Umm, they traded two top prospects for Casey Blake, who is incredibly s#itty defensively.

I think the Dodgers could get Dunn.

u obvisouly didnt watch a game after the trade. blake made all the routine plays, and made some really good plays also. i believe he made 2or3 errors with the dodgers, which would be about 9 errors a year, thats not that bad.

"u obvisouly didnt watch a game after the trade. blake made all the routine plays, and made some really good plays also. i believe he made 2or3 errors with the dodgers, which would be about 9 errors a year, thats not that bad."

You can't just look at errors. You have to look at range as well as errors. You can't make errors if you don't get to the baseball/make contact with the ball.

He was still well below average overall with the glove this year.

Casey Blake was very solid at 3rd after the trade. Its his bat that was brutal during the playoffs. Not his glove.

"BUT as an Astro fan its gotta be pretty hard to swallow trading all those prospects for one year of Tejada."

Not at all, at least for me and my friends, because we didn't give up much. I would probably do it again if it meant having Tejada or Everett at SS. Scott did good this year, but he didn't have a spot here. The only thing I hated about it was giving up Patton. But, it worked out for one season because it was nice to see a SS that could actually hit a little bit after watching Everett for all those years. As an Astros fan I am torn between rebuilding or trying to land some good pitching and hoping for a rebound season from Tejada and maybe a decent catcher. But, the owner won't want to spend money, but he also doesn't want to get rid of the best players we have, that would land the best prospects because they draw crowds

I wonder if they Dodgers have given any thought to seeing if DeWitt can go back to his drafted position, shortstop. His bat would play well there and the position is more similar to that of third in its movements, so it seems more natural.

For Jason Bartlett, I think the more fair deal would be the Rays settling for a Delwyn Young (excellent arm, not great on reading balls, pure switch hitter) or Xavier Paul (Lefty bat, excellent defensive play, good bat upside) plus a lower level pitching prospect.

"'u obvisouly didnt watch a game after the trade. blake made all the routine plays, and made some really good plays also. i believe he made 2or3 errors with the dodgers, which would be about 9 errors a year, thats not that bad.'

You can't just look at errors. You have to look at range as well as errors. You can't make errors if you don't get to the baseball/make contact with the ball.

He was still well below average overall with the glove this year."

Blake played perfectly acceptable defense while with the Dodgers. While he is an average-below average defender at the position (as opposed to the OF, where he is excellent) his bat plays well on any team, especially in the first half.

"Ok..call me crazy..but would the dodgers be interested in this trade--

Reds Recieve-
Jaun Pierre
Matt Kemp

Dodgers Recieve-
Bronson Arroyo
Edwin Encarnacion
--bailey/stubbs/dickerson/dorn/cumberland"

Crazy. Arroyo's pitching weakness is one thing Dodger Stadium can't fix. While it is a pitcher's park overall, Chavez Ravine gives up its share of home runs. Also, EE has nowhere near the ceiling or tools of Matt Kemp, nor the future market.

Oh, and one other thing. If the Dodgers aren't going to sign Manny, I think they should go for Burrell over Dunn.

AA- Bartlett for Delwyn Young + lower level pitching prospect would be solid for both sides.

Any MLB-ready fringey reliever types in the Dodger system that might be available though? That might appeal as well as opposed to someone who's further away.

melonis

i would do troncoso+a low level prospect for bartlett..

but still if the dodgers dont make any moves this offseason they should let Hu play the whole year and see what they have.

haha a mediocre minor league relief pitcher with below average walk and strike out percentages plus a low level prospect for Bartlett? wow where do i sign?

haha a mediocre minor league relief pitcher with below average walk and strike out percentages plus a low level prospect for Bartlett? wow where do i sign?

Posted by: delmonmvp | December 04, 2008 at 12:34 AM


Yeah, 82 OPS+ hitting ss that is coming off a 1 homerun year and a .329 on base percentage, WOOOOOOOO!!!!

Did i menion his career 85 OPS+?

What a find!

Please, id rather sign Ceasar Izturis over him.

Ethier for Sonnanstine/Bartlett

That is a fair deal for both sides...

Ethier/Pierre/Cash for

Encarnacion/Arroyo

That is another one that would work.

Ethier's upside is Paul O'Neill in his prime.

Kemp's upside is one of the better players in baseball

As a Dodger fan I could stomach moving Ethier, but Kemp is more of a franchise player.

Casey Blake has had an average career, was mediocre for the Dodgers hitting around .250, he is certainly not going to improve in his late 30s as a player.

I would take him back for one year, but two or three years will be a waste of money/roster space.

A team like the Dodgers should not be plugging a guy like this in for long haul.

"i would do troncoso+a low level prospect for bartlett..

but still if the dodgers dont make any moves this offseason they should let Hu play the whole year and see what they have."


LMFAO
Let's play Market 101. There is low supply, high demand for shortstops. There is high supply, and mediocre demand for relievers. The market sets values. Prices for the top relievers will go down, not up. The Rays will probably easily be able to afford Fuentes, or Juan Cruz, or Kerry Wood, or the LOOGY they need in Beimel or Ohman.

Thus, an average reliever is worth a lot less than an average SS.

ALthough I agree with you on seeing what Hu's got.

And, my Rays can afford Fuentes/Cruz/Wood comes on the assumption which I've heard that the Rays have about 15MM to spend this offseason.

Sorry, but I really doubt Jason Barlett has any real value, even in this market. I do agree no way troncoso and a low prospect can get him, but due to the fact there are other players like Barlett in free agency (Izturis, Cora, Grudzielanek, Eckstein, ect...), and the fact that all of them can easily out-slug Bartlett (not by much, but i would expect at least 5 homeruns in a full season from all), I would just take my chances in Free Agency.

If the Red Sox land Teixeira AND he proves healthy in Spring Training, how about Mike Lowell to the Dodgers in March?

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