DeRosa Traded To Indians

From what ive been hearing these prospects they've got from Cleveland aren't that special, so lets say they're not going to use these prospects for Peavy, then what was the point of dumping DeRosa for Miles?

I Agree. This deal only makes sense if it leads to the Cubs landing another difference maker.... IMO

Man, I'm not sure who is worse anymore - Cubs fans or Yankees fans.

Joe I can answer your question - neither. Red Sox fans.

I love relievers with huge K totals so I'm personally excited about both Stevens and Gaub, if we hang onto them.

It also increases my odds of being able to make an Arrested Development related Gaub/Gob sign at Wrigley, which makes me giddy.

Who cares about having to give up Marshall for Peavy? Marshall is a younger version of Marquis. Completely mediocre in every sense of the word.

These hardly seem like the kind of prospects that are going to make Towers fall over himself to send Peavy to the Cubs. They are mid level prospects at best.

"I hardly see how arguing a rational point makes us "worse." If you'd like to step in and try to explain why we are wrong, I'd love to hear it. No one has been able to yet."

You've clearly never been wrong before in your life, so I doubt that's going to change anytime soon. When it's 2013 and the Cubs still don't have Peavy yet, maybe you will realize that they aren't going to get him.

"CubbyFan23 - Gaubias Industries, AS in, "Gaubias a World Championship". ;)

COME ON!"

:D You sir have given me inspiration for the first Gaub related sign. I hope we keep him now!

uww1...What planet are you from that you think that package would get you Peavy???

I am not sure how many ways it can be said, the Cubs are not going to get Roberts !!

Take the best 5-7 players out of your package and send them to the Pads for Peavy...that will get it done.

":D You sir have given me inspiration for the first Gaub related sign. I hope we keep him now!"

We can only hope he shows up at Wrigley riding a Segway and wearing a $3,000 suit. : )

"I know Cubs fans thought they were getting Carmona and Laffey and more (look at their sites if you don't believe me) but I think 3 pitchers with upside but who've yet to throw a pitch in the majors is fair exchange for a 34 y.o. infielder in his walk year."

Carmona is extremely overrated but I agree, neither was going to go to Chicago for DeRo. I like Laffey a lot.

Im sure they were just kidding about Carmona...I hope they were anyway lol

Carmona's not that good. The Indians are just not going to deal him based off of '07, which is fair, but his splits were abysmal last year and if he doesn't turn it around, you're looking at a 5+ ERA. Miller is disgusting but he is certainly equal value to DeRosa considering the arm issues and the bullpen spot now.

"Carmona is extremely overrated but I agree, neither was going to go to Chicago for DeRo. I like Laffey a lot."

I wouldn't say Carmona is overrated at all, he just has a hard time with control lately. Have you ever even seen him pitch? I don't know if its possible to control that sinker. Still, hitters have learned to lay off it and make him work, and it is up to Fausto to adjust and gain control, or he will be Daniel Cabrera Jr. HEy Cubs fans, where did DeRosa hit for you? We have a big hole at #2, can he fill it?

Being an Indian fan living in Chicago, I have no feeling either way towards the Cubs so I'll offer the most educated and objective opinion I can on this move. As someone who follows the Indians very closely and their minor league teams as well, I hate to disappoint cub fansm but not one of those three prospects the cubs got for DeRosa are even considered anywhere close to the Indians top 10 prospects. In fact I'd be shocked if any of them ever even made it to the big leagues. I highly doubt this moves puts the cubs any closer to Peavy then before the trade was made. I think more or less what this trade and the Cubs trade of Marquis is about is clearing enough payroll room to sign Milton Bradley. I guess you never know, but from a prospects standpoint, I honestly cant believe the indians got derosa and gave up the guys they did.

Furrski:

If it's not possible for Carmona to control his sinker, is that really a good thing? I think he's a solid pitcher, but his control issues make him a #3 in my opinion. Am I wrong in thinking that?

Cubs fans I am not one of you lol but this is my predictions for you.
1.Peavy
2.Zambrano
3.Dempster
4.Lilly
5.Marshall
1.Soriano
2.Theriot
3.Lee
4.Rameriz
5.Bradely
6.Soto
7.Fukadome
8.Miles

IT'S OFFICIAL: The Cubs are morons. If they are going to spin these pitchers on for Peavy, I don't know why they would want them, aside from Gaub. We just made our line-up and versatility ten times worse and lost one of the clubhouse's hard-nosed playing and all around good guys. Ridiculous.

They must have a deal in place to get Peavy already, or else they wouldn't have made the deal. UNLESS...they are now going to WASTE DeRosa's salary on Milton Bradley.

I don't know what the fascination is. We are going after two players that A) we don't need and B) are going to end up hurt. Peavy's arm hurt last year, limiting his use, and Bradley suffers an almost annual injury that will prevent him from playing anywhere close to even 120 games. Can you say another year of mostly Fukudome in RF?

This "we don't have any money" is a complete joke. They have the money, or else they wouldn't be going after needless players like Peavy. It looks like we're going back to the old days of being CHEAP, where we low-balled free agents and put low budget crap on the field. It's coming.

I remember hearing an interview with DeRosa last year where he said that he knew that as soon as he became a free agent he was coming straight to the Cubs, and that he always wanted to play here. Great way to treat one of our clubhouse leaders, just like how they discarded Wood after his years of loyalty.

Now we're going to replace that leadership with Milton Bradley? Jim Hendry makes me not want to watch Cubs games. I don't even know why I'm going to the Cubs Convention in a few weeks. What a complete JOKE.

WOW. You are a Grinch

Hendry sure is downgrading some positions (rotation, bullpen, 2B, CF) to upgrade RF. Is he robbing Peter to pay Paul??

Also just saw something that says the cubs ownership situation will have to be settled before they can complete any trade for Peavy from both Bruce Miles and Bruce Levine so indeed this trade looks like it is a salary dump by the Cubs. It has to be... I think Hendry is very overrated when compared to some of the other GMS in baseball, but I also know he isn't completely stupid to trade DeRosa and get back the players they did. Who knows maybe they will get Bradley and Derrick Lowe or something? For now it looks like the Cubs are still short on payroll room and prospects to acquire Peavy

Micks,

I never said the 3 guys the cubs got for DeRosa were trash. I said they weren't in the Indians top 10 propects and from what we have heard, not the type of prospects Kevin Towers would want for Peavy.

Its hard to say where Carmona's career will take him. To say 'extremely overrated' is wrong. He was bad last year, yes. As I said in my last post, it will be up to him. If he can get his sinker close enough to the corner that guys will have to at least consider swinging, then he can be a one or two. Last year, hitters just would not swing at it. I think he even walked more hitters than he struck out. In 07', hitters were fooled- all you can do is hit a grounder and hope it finds a hole. If you saw the 'bug game' in 07', you HAD to be impressed as he mowed down Spankees, and looked unshakeable, while Joba looked like, well, you know. But anyway, Its up to Fausto how good he will be.

Corey,

Well whether the facts are doubtful or not they arent My facts. Honestly though when you think the Cubs can build a package for Peavy around Pie... your baseball knowledge is VERY DOUBTFUL. Remember my friend its new years eve, not april fools day. I seriously hope you were joking when you said a deal around Pie cause if you havent noticed Pie sucks and he isnt a pitcher.

The only person that would be a good replacement for DeRosa is Brian Roberts, and that is who Hendry should have been targeting in some type of three way deal for Peavy, since he's so obsessed with getting him.

By the way, throwing those three pitchers, plus what we'll get for Pie, plus Hart, plus, Cedeno, is more than enough for Peavy and his huge contract (that he probably won't even finish with his injury last year).

The Cubs are dealing from strength, but they continue to get fleeced in every single deal...Jose Ceda and now Mark DeRosa.

To CubbyFan...I hate to tell you this but Jim Callis from ESPN seems to agree with me, and he probably knows a lot more about baseball and prospects than most people. He said in his chat just now that Miles is no replacement for DeRosa at all in versatility, clubhouse presence, or power and that "he will be missed".

Stevens was an absolute throw in for BPhils. Phillips was very immature (His best buddy was Milt Bradley). Wedge was starting a new culture, Bradley (our best player)was traded for low level minor leaguers (FGuit for one), some comments were made by Phillips, and you really did wonder if he would put it together. Then in what was a horrible trade- Phillips for a throw in (Stevens). Stevens then seemed to work his butt off, because he started crawling on the radar, then you were hearing he may be ready to compete for a pen job. I'm not knocking Jeff by any means- I hope he does great- but, I don't know, just something to think about.

im a big milton bradley fan (as a player). if they can keep him under control he will be a huge addition to the cubs and that left handed (switch) bat they need badly in a predominantly right handed lineup.

if they get peavy and bradley im predicting a cubs yankees world series.

Just throwing this out there as a trade scenerio, call me nuts if you like i don't care. How about this Hart, Pie, Cedeno, Marshall, Fontenot and 1 of the Indians prospects we just got for Olson and Roberts or instead of Olson add Vitters to the trade get Cabrera. It would give the Cubs a much better lineup but we may lose a little depth in the pitching department.

HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!

Marshall, Stevens, and Hart MLB ready?? So why aren't they there yet. Marshall has had so many shots at the rotation, it seems like he has been "MLB ready" longer than Felix Pie. If Marshall is MLB ready, why trade him in the first place?

"Cleveland fans - Where do you project DeRosa hitting in the order?"

im guessing 2

1.Sizemore(L)
2.Derosa(R)
3.Hafner(L)
4.Martinez(S)
5.Peralta(R)
6.Choo(L)
7.Garko(R)
8.Francisco(R)
9.Cabrera(S)

not a bad lineup....if hafner comes back strong that is a playoff caliber group

"Marshall, Stevens, and Hart MLB ready?? So why aren't they there yet. Marshall has had so many shots at the rotation, it seems like he has been "MLB ready" longer than Felix Pie. If Marshall is MLB ready, why trade him in the first place?"

First, when you use exclamation marks like that, most people automatically write you off as an idiot.

Secondly, they are all MLB ready. I'm not sure what you think MLB ready is, Hart has spent time in the majors the last two years as has Marshall. Marshall's had a sub 4 ERA the last two years. That's hardly comparable to Pie.

I think you're in a bit over your head here.

Indeed. This is without a doubt the first time there's been a 6 or 5 for 1 deal in the history of baseball.

The Cubs will send either Hart or Marshall, not both. The reason that Hendry pulled the trigger on the Derosa deal was to prevent the depletion of the Cubs farm system.

whoops forgot to put Olson under the Padres name.

1.Sizemore(L)
2.Derosa(R)
3.Hafner(L)
4.Martinez(S)
5.Peralta(R)
6.Choo(L)
7.Garko(R)
8.Francisco(R)
9.Cabrera(S)

Not bad...except Shoppach could be the full time C with Martinez taking some at bats away from Garko and Hafner. The less stress on Victor would be better for him anyways.

I don't know, I just hope that the Cubs do something now! If they stop here, they will be in big trouble. I could see Peavy missing all of Spring Training until the Padres finally give into Jim Hendry's demands?

I like the comment get dibs on a player to be born later.

i would say derosa would bat 2...

sizemore
derosa
martinez
peralta
hafner
garko
choo
francisco
cabrera

pretty solid lineup. not mentioning the fact that francisco could be displaced if he falters by laporta, crowe or brantley.

Damn dese nuts!! Dero gone for these noobs? Aaron Miles sucks too. BOOOOOO! (<---- the boo birds)

Sorry folks, a Peavy deal ain't happening. No one in their right mind will pay Towers asking price at this point and even if they would the Cubbies don't have what Towers wants (and didn't get it in either deal).

The DeRo/Marquis deals were done to either clear room for Bradley or as a precursor to a Roberts deal. Sorry to disappoint!

OmegaMan - at least you admit that you're in over your head. You have to look at the situation that Marshall, and to a lesser extent Hart are in with the caliber of pitching the cubs ML team has.

I'd say you need to do more research on at least Marshall before you go passing judgement. He's a solid #5 on most teams in the mlb. He pitched over hundred innings in 2007 and maintained a sub 4.00 era. As for 2008 it's not his fault that Dempster fought his way into the rotation and had a 17 win season. It's also not his fault that all 5 of the cubs 2008 starters all posted winning records, the worst record was 11-9 which belonged to Marquis. Marshall was able to be our spot starter and long relief man last year maintaining a very respectable 3.86 era, and only allowing 60 hits in 65.1 innings in 2008.

Pie is definitely MLB ready if he can manage to maintain a batting average in mid to high 200's. That could be a matter of just going to a team where he would play every day. His defense is exceptional.

So yes, they are MLB ready. Staying power on an MLB team has just as much to do with circumstance as ability.

"Pie is definitely MLB ready if he can manage to maintain a batting average in mid to high 200's. That could be a matter of just going to a team where he would play every day. His defense is exceptional."

That is like saying I could fly if only I could flap my arms fast enough.

"Aduncaroo, I will respectfully disagree. Still, answer this: If he is a mlb ready #5, why hasn't he gotten that consistent shot?"

Because the Cubs #5 was making 7 mil. The other four? Zambrano, Lilly, Harden, Dempster...so there just isn't room...or wasn't. As of right now, I can pretty much guarantee you that Marshall is our #5.

and we might be better for it

Omega, he hasn't gotten a consistent shot because the Cubs have had veteran, high-priced pitchers in their rotation that couldn't be moved to the bullpen, whereas Marshall has the versatility to be able to pitch from either spot. I.E., they easily could have put Marshall in Marquis' rotation spot, but Marquis would have been useless in the bullpen. They were better served keeping him there and allowing Marshall to be the long relief/spot starter guy. Marshall has started more than enough games at the ML level to show that he can be an effective 4/5 starter on most clubs.

cmon guys, it's obvious that these silly numbers and stats that we're throwing out will do nothing to sway omega man's admittedly uninformed opinions :D

Here's another one of these supposed payroll experts in 123456789. Good God - how many times does it have to be explained that it's been reported MANY times that the Cubs can increase their payroll to $140-145 million this year? Unless one of you financial geniuses works in the Cubs front office, let's let the team decide how much money they want to spend, OK?

This isn't a roto league. RH vs. LH hitting matters especially in the playoffs.

With last year's lineup, it is likely the Cubs would lose consistently in the first or second rounds to a team with strong RH starting pitching (which undoubtedly they would face in one of those two rounds). If the Cubs are going to win it all, we had to get more LH hitting.

So, whether DeRo is a nicer guy or would play more games than Bradley doesn't matter if RHP eats your lunch come playoff time.

For every scenario where the non-Cub fans have to speculate on why they "know" that the Cubs aren't going to get Peavy there are just as many scenario's where they could get Peavy. So, how about we all just speculate and stop pretending we know what is going to happen.

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Sorry folks, a Peavy deal ain't happening. No one in their right mind will pay Towers asking price at this point and even if they would the Cubbies don't have what Towers wants (and didn't get it in either deal).

The DeRo/Marquis deals were done to either clear room for Bradley or as a precursor to a Roberts deal. Sorry to disappoint!"

Like how he ducks out when the argument goes over his head and comes back with the same drivel. Sorry to disappoint, no one is buying anything you say still.