DeRosa Traded To Indians

"Can someone just please explain why the Padres would trade Peavy for Marshall and Vitters along with a combination of out of option players and mediocre minor leaguers? He can wait until the deadline and get a better return."

You'd have to ask Towers, he was the one that put the initial deal together presumably.

None of these pitchers made the Indians' top 20 prospects. This is purely a salary dump, which comes off as a WTF move for the Cubs.

Thumper, I don't really have issue with any of what you said. However, I do think Marshall could end up being better than the back end guys you have. Marshall put up those numbers in Wrigley, I think he is a solid #4 in that park for sure. Anyway, you may be completely right, but Towers definitely wanted Marshall, that much is documented.

Oh God - now here come the Sox fans. Go back to your ghetto hole on the south side please. Just accept the fact that your franchise is a piece of toilet paper stuck to the shoe of Chicago sports and no one cares about you.

Also, this was on the ESPN article about the DeRosa trade:

"Neither of Chicago's moves expected to trigger a trade for Peavy. Sources tell ESPN that there are no ongoing talks between the Cubs and Padres involving Peavy."

matt, the Pads would never take on Fukudome's salary. Their motivation to trade Peavy is to dump salary, and Fukudome makes around the same amount as Peavy over the next few years.

"Like how he ducks out when the argument goes over his head and comes back with the same drivel. Sorry to disappoint, no one is buying anything you say still."

Unlike yourself, some of us have a life with committments. Unfortunately my man I don't care if anyone buys what i'm saying, especially yourself. You've been proven wrong on every point so far but in your delusional state you can't admit it. So when you have a point that you can prove without your famous "spin it to meet my needs" attitude I'll be happy to debate you.

"Wow MrRealistic, thanks for enlightening us with your knowledge. Glad to know that there's an MLB insider on the board. You have to be right, you've got so much matter of fact knowledge and you know more than anyone else? Either you're an MLB insider that no one knows about or your just a loud mouth know-it-all who hates the Cubs and has to crap on anything they do..... can't figure out which you really are... Nah, you wouldn't be such a jerk, you must work for the Padres or something. Are you really Paul DePodesta?"

Nope, not an insider nor a cubbies hater. I just love to disagree with cub fans and watch them drive themselves insane because they can't accept the truth.

Just because somebody doesnt think the cubs will get Peavy doesnt mean they hate the cubs.

MrRealistic,

There are plenty of Cubs fans around that aren't going to "drive themselves insane". You make some good points, but there is no need for the banter, its pointless and is taking away from the real conversation.

Thumper, I think we are on the same page. I am just disappointed that we didn't get more value for DeRosa...who as Tim pointed out, played to the point where his production was worth almost 20 mil last year, let alone the 12 mil he was worth the previous two seasons each. I don't really think that it means for sure that the Cubs are back in Peavy talks...because the pitchers that they got back just don't seem that valuable to me.

This had really be a precursor to a Peavy trade or something else equally large, otherwise I fail to see how the Cubs are a better team with Bradley (assuming that's coming) + Miles than we were with Edmonds, who did well for us, and DeRosa, who was a great player and a great guy.

That said, I think it must be a precursor to SOMETHING. We brought in Gathright, which basically runs Pie out of town; and we brought in Miles, who basically chases Cedeno out of town. Could be Peavy, could be Roberts, could be something else. Worst case scenario for me is it's just a couple of minor deals. Restocking the farm system is good, and I'm not one of those "WE MUST WIN NOW, SELL EVERYTHING, BUY EVERYONE!!!" Cubs fans, but I do recognize we've got a limited opportunity to win with this club. If we're basically downgrading or at best standing pat this year, we have maybe one or two years after that before the window is closed.

"Called Miles for what he is; solid utility IF'er with suspect cefense."

Take a look at Bill James...he says that Miles was average at 2nd last year, and DeRosa was one of the worst...oh yeah, and Fontenot was nothing short of Brilliant! I'm not putting all my stock into this...but you shouldn't knock Miles for the defense without first thinking about what he replaced, which was average to very below average defense anyway.

soxsider, you are obviously a ret@ard. Go away and spout off your immaturity elsewhere...its worthless here.

It must be exciting for Cubs fans to watch their GM try to build a WS team. It does indeed seem like Peavy to Chicago is on the front burner again.

Things in Toronto, on the other hand, have been rather quiet this winter. Oh, we did just sign former Gold Gloves boxer Marty Barrett.

Cubby fans must love J.P Ricciardi - He released Reed Johnson last spring, getting nothing in return, and the Toronto fans had to suffer through the likes of Shannon Stewart, Kevin Mench and Brad Wilkerson while Reed hits .303 for the Cubs.

"LMFAO. why is everyone sweating peavy? even if you Chumps manage to get him, you will find someway to f up in the playoffs. 100 yrs. and counting."

Hmm your calling us chumps like we go out there and play the games. I know a lot of sox fans and most of them arent bad, besides just the fun or the cubs/sox rivalry, but to make fun of a team that won 97 games is pretty stupid. Ill take 162 games as evidence of how good they are instead of the 3 games you will throw back at me.

Soxsider is just mad that his franchise is, like I said before, a piece of toilet paper stuck to the heel of Chicago sports that no one cares about.

Mr. Realistic, you STILL have not given one piece of useful information in ANY of these discussions. All you do is rip on Cub fans. Your holier than thou attitude is hilarious. Cub fans 'refuse to accept the truth'? What truth? You're another one of these morons that states your OPINION as if it were a fact and rips on anyone who disagrees with you, even though you have not one shred of actual evidence or information to back up your claims.

forlife, please go back and fine ONE SINGLE POST where I say that "Peavy will be a Cub". I said that it's my OPINION that this move is a pre-cursor to something bigger, likely a Peavy trade. I never said that anything WILL happen. People like you state your opinions and ideas as if they are facts. I've never done that.

I was calling him a ret@rd for coming on here and posting the crap, not because he is a Sox fan...there is a big difference! Still, I'm just going to ignore him now...there is no point.

DeRosa was my favorite Cub, sucks to see him go, especially knowing that the pieces we got back are just going to go towards getting Peavy, who we don't need, or Roberts, who I'm definitely not a fan of.

I would guess Pie still goes to the O's for Olsen. Olsen is the arm the Pads wanted. Just add these prospects to the pile in the trade. I want to give the Pads Vitters + 9 minor leaguers for Peavy making it a 10 for 1 deal.

"Aduncaroo - I agree with you, but you just called a sox fan a 'ret@rd' - you're not above a little mudslinging yourself. :)"

You seem to be missing the main point of myself and Aduncaroo which is this....knock it off. You have been mudslinging all day, is it out of your system now? When your ready to come back to the grown up table fine, until then you and soxsider got to your official teams' message board where mob mentality and sillyness rules the day.

Pie has hit in the minors...and 260ish plate appearences don't really mean saying he might be able to hit is equivalent to saying you could fly if you flap your arms fast enough...he may never hit...but that little analogy is pretty awful.

I believe the Cubs without DeRosa, platooning Fontenot and Miles, and adding Bradley are a better team than DeRosa and no Miles or Bradley.

I come back two hours later, and Cubs fans are still fall over themselves trying to justify why three mid-level prospects are all that the Cubs needed to pry Peavy from the Cubs.

... and for Cubs fans to look down on any franchise is like the richest man with the nicest cave in Rwanda trying to look on Donald Trump.

MrRealistic, as a rule, Cub fans get a lot of those notes.

I'm down with that...but I don't want to hear about it until its actually done!!!

I am a Red Sox fan so I really have no stake in this but...

White Sox fans- shut the he11 up. You think you are entitled to talk trash because you won a championship 3 years ago? That pathetic roster was lucky to make it to the playoffs this year, and I can't think of many franchises that have a future more bleak than the pathetic white sox. I would diss your farm system, but I can't do that because its essentially non existent. When you wake up from fantasyland and realize your team sucks, maybe then u can have a real conversation with the rest of us.

I have a hard time believing the three prospects who at best are mid level (none of them are ranked higher then 20 in the Indians prospect rankings for 09) are going to be involved in a Peavy deal or be able to bring the prospects back that would be needed to get Peavy. This trade is pretty much a salary dump. The Cubs will sign Bradley and thats probably why this trade was made. Are they better with Bradley then they were with DeRosa? Probably a little IF Bradley can stay healthy.

Mark Shapiro's had a really good offseason. I'm not confident that acquiring Joe Smith will have a positive effect on the bullpen (his ERA doesn't tell the whole story, he's been extremely fortunate considering his WHIP), but I liked the Wood signing, and having DeRosa gives the Indians a lot of versatility, especially since they still have Jamey Carroll.

In exchange, they give up Stevens, who's relatively promising but doesn't appear fantastic (and was far from a lock to crack the major league roster without some injuries with the bullpen of Wood/Kobayashi/Jensen Lewis/Betancourt/Perez/Joe Smith and presumably another lefty (otherwise someone like Jon Meloan)) and two pitchers who are a long way off and haven't shown even Chuck Lofgren potential.

What team can we expect from the Indians this year? I suspect the same as last; underachieving as always...if I am an Indians fan my number one priority is to ditch Wedge and get a manager who can win!

I think this trade will happen for the padres, angels, and cubs:

Padres get:OF:Felix Pie, 3B:Josh Vitters, SP:Jason Marquis (then trade him if he is the guy) unless the rumors are true or SP:Sean Marshall from the cubs, SP:Nick Adenhart or SP:Jered Weaver, SS:Brandon Wood or Erik Ayber from Angels

Angels get:1B:Derek Lee

Cubs get:SP:Jake Peavy

winner for the trade:Padres!!!

This was the trade during the winter meetings when Peavy was going to the cubs, DeRosa goes to philles, and prospect to the Padres
Padres get: SP:J.A. Happ or Carlos Carrasco, SS:Jason Donald from the Philles, OF:Felix Pie, Jason Marquis (trade him or keep him), and 3B/OF:Josh Vitters from the Cubs

Cubs get:Jake Peavy

Philles get: Mark DeRosa

See guys. Peavy trade to the Cubs is NOT happening, all right?
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ai_vGFpORcvkNa_FqY4V1HU5nYcB?slug=ti-peavy123108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Padres need to trade Peavy to get better in the farm system, get better talent in the Major League level, rebuilt in 2009, and get younger which Kevin and Sandy wants

just ridiculous and marquis is not a cub anymore

As upsett as i am with this trade, i understand this move by hendry and its a great move, im just mad because has been the teams unofficial Mvp, and the guy who holds the team together and has great chemistry, but may open up to a bigger move, for peavey maybe, because of the prospects, they may also may try to get Bradley or try getting brian Robert's again, if they trade marquis this may happen,

"I think more or less what this trade and the Cubs trade of Marquis is about is clearing enough payroll room to sign Milton Bradley. I guess you never know, but from a prospects standpoint, I honestly cant believe the indians got derosa and gave up the guys they did."

Chief, I agree with you. I kind of thought DeRosa traded might open up Peavy talks down the road. That was before I found out who we (Cubs) got back. It looks like a money dump, just like Marquis will be, too.

Since Miles switch hits, can steal a base and has the ability to play 7 positions, Lou likes that type of guy. DeRosa has more pop and is solid anywhere he plays. You have two good guys there with the Tribe in Wood and DeRosa.

I don't think the Miles signing leading up to the DeRosa trade has anything to due with Peavy talks. I might be wrong. DeRosa and Marquis clear salary for Bradley or whomever.

it mught be for the best. Derosa probably would not have put up the same numbers and mike will now get more of a chance to see if he can be a starter for this team. IT also gets them more left handed and now they have a couple of more pitching prospects for future trades or just to build up the farm and cut down on expenses. I really likeed dero as a player and clubhouse guy, but it may be the right move for the future.

jerry's kids, it is being reported by 2 or 3 people that the Bradley deal is done and that the Cubs are waiting for their payroll to officially go down before announcing it. So no Giles won't be the RF of the Cubs. And he wouldn't waive his NTC either. He didn't for the Red Sox and they are much more likely to win a championship because they don't have a team that can't handle pressure. He just wants to stay on the west coast at this point in his career.

I personally don't think the D-Ro trade was anything to set up a Peavy trade. If anything I will agree with Cubs23 or something like that. I honestly think this is a set up to get Roberts, possibly Roberts and Olsen.

Cubs need a legit leadoff hitter. With this being Roberts walk year, I can see the Cubs trading Pie for Olsen, then and it pains me to say this, Fontenot, Cedeno, Chris Archer and maybe another player.

I only hope that the Cubs say we are only going to do this is if we have a window to extend the contract of Roberts beyond 2009. Otherwise its silly to get rid of Fontenot. I think he is going to be a very solid player.

I also believe that we don’t sign Bradley. We end up with Abreu on a 1 year deal. I believe that Bradley should go to the Rays or an AL team.

So I see Marshall as the #5 starter with Olsen in the Pen as the spot starter. Much like the role that Marshall had last year.

Plus we keep the little bit of value in our farm we have just in case for the deadline.

But this is just one guys opinion.

I have also seen a few proposed lineups if we have Bradley. I just want to point out that the middle order lefty bat will hit 4th. The idea is that #3 hitter will be a righty, #4 will be the new lefty, and #5 will be a righty. This is to force opposing managers to think about who they throw out from the pen late in a game.

If we get Roberts this is How I would like to see the order.

Roberts
Theriot
Ramirez
Lefty Bat Abreu/Dunn/Bradley/whomever
Lee
Soriano
Soto

Or put Lee in the 2 hole and Soriano in 5 with Theriot in the 8 spot. But again this is all conjecture at this point.

Happy New Year MLB Trade Rumors and fans. Let’s hope this is the Year the Cubs get the Monkey.. I mean Goat off of our backs!

Derrick Lee would be terrible in the #2 hole. He can't bunt and grounds into far too many double plays. Theriot is not ideal for #2 either -- for someone that has decent speed he grounds into a scary amount of double plays. Lou hates Theriot in the #2. Unless something else, happens, it's still going to be Soriano on top:

1. Soriano
2. Miles (If Soriano strikes out you start over w/ a new leadoff)
3. Ramirez
4. Bradley
5. Lee
6. Soto
7. Fukudome
8. Theriot

Bleacher Buddha---

When I began to read your first post I began thinking dang... Fans are speculating the trade of Fontenot... and then I continued to read you post.

Let me dissect you posts and expose the flaws, Fortunately, Art took care of the Lee part.

First-- There is no way in hell that the Cubs are going to trade 4, maybe 5 "major league experienced" players for Brian Roberts and Olson. Especially after they went out and signed Aaron Miles.

Second-- Your telling me that Jim Hendry has exposed his thoughts of intense negotiations with Milton Bradley to bail and sign Abreu? There is no way in hell that Hendry is going to trade away a clubhouse player in Derosa to clear salary room to sit on signing Abreu and trading his young bench for Brian Roberts...

Third--
Your batting order looks horrible.. Remember Lou's experiment last year with moving Fonzie down... He won't produce.. Soriano will be best leading off or batting third. I feel very strong about the Cubs keeping Soriano at leadoff.

Fourth--
Even if the Cubs did consider trading away D. Lee to the Pads for Peavy (which will NEVER happen), they would probably sign Adam Dunn to play first base...

Finally... my predictions on what the Cubs will be doing!

They will be trading Marquis and signing M. Bradley.

They will trade away Pie, Vitters, and some bullpen (possibly Marshall) to get Peavy.

They will have strong starting pitchers and a strong, balanced lineup.

Corey