Yankees Sign A.J. Burnett

Kenan and Kel

you are making a rather large deal out of something you care so little about :D

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Abreau - final option year was 13MM but his avg annual value went up from just over 10MM a year to just over 15MM a year.

pettite - just over 11MM a year (maybe 12MM) with astros. Upped to 16MM with yanks.. as he exits his prime.

Randy johnson - 57MM extention at 41 years old... a little ridiculous.

theres more but i'm at work an too busy to continue hehe.

i should have said big extentions for players long beyond their prime.

Arod even was 20mm a year with texas to 30 with NY. thats a 1/3 pay increase as he LEAVES his prime.

"you are making a rather large deal out of something you care so little about :D"

It's something about an unabated lack of intelligence that just draws me in.

It's like poking a bear.

ooo i forgot about Brown thats a GREAT example

thanks kevinb

manny for 20 per year...did you forget that one.

drew for 14 mil per year...

the yankees did not give brown that contract.

oh and arod was making 25 mil with the rangers not 20...and he is not making 30 mil right now

Kevin Brown was coming off 7 years playing in the national league and was 39 when we signed him. Burnett by comparison is 32. So no, not really a good comparison.

I don't think any of this spending was a surprise. If there's anything we can count on, it's that the Yankees will always be # 1 in payroll. I'm just glad they decided to focus on pitching and not on Teixeira. If Theo can close the deal there, I'll consider it a great off season.

The yanks are so suspiciously quiet on teixeira that It would not suprise me fro them to make him a big offer too.

thats all i'm saying jed. thank you. i'm not saying your breaking any rules. Your not. Its just not fair to the rest of baseball. And the Yankees have been in the top 3 in the AL east for 16 years. the system is not working fine.

why it is not fair? explain this to me. The owners of the twins and royals are on the top 20 richest in the US list. Every owner is baseball has the money. But instead of spending on the team to make them more competitive they pocket it.

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heres the reason. because to compete with the money spending teams they have to raise payroll by almost 100 million dollars. So rather than raising it 30 and not competing, they pocket the extra 30MM and wait for next year, hoping to build up a nice team from the farm system (marlins especially)

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" i've never seen yankees fans actually defend their teams payroll its hilarious, i'm all for a team spending the money they make but don't make excuses and try to detract from other teams saying they're just as bad when you're by far the worst. if i was a yankee fan i'd be mocking teams calling them poor. "

Jedstylesux that to me is one of the most right on statements made so far in this ridiculous debate.

Yankee fans, quite saying we dont spend that much because we do and we do it more so than anyone can even come close to.

The only reason the Yankees have so much to spend is because of their century’s worth of success. The yankees do spend WAY more than anyone else, but its only because they can and there is no system that says they can't.

You can only blame the nature of a free trade market. If you want to try and tell a player he cant make the money the market says he should because other teams aren't as fortunate well then thats your argument and it's really hard to swing it one way or the other.

I don't really like that ERA+ stat. It doens't take into account the amount of innings a pitcher has played (Chamberlain has an 1100 ERA+ for having a .38 ERA in 24 IP), and it's main component is ERA, which is not very reliable to begin with. I'd use WHIP to judge a pitcher's performance, along with other, more basic, stats such as IP.

Jed once again right on the money. EXACTLY my point. Glad to see an intelligent poster :-).

@YanksFan

Thats a whole separate topic. International signings need to go away. Any player that wishes to play in MLB, should have to go through the draft. Every team should have equal shot at all players entering the league, not the ones with the most money.
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Another ignorant statement. DO you know what the average international player (w/ exception of Japaneese players) sign for? About the same or less than what a 1st rnd pick pr "bonus baby" signs for. You people really need to stop w/ these comments if you have no idea what they really mean.

Cuban amateur FA Jesus Montero (Yankee) signed for $1.6 mil

2008 Draft
#1 David Price- 5.6 mil bonus from Tampa
#2 Mike Moustakas- 4 mil from Royals
#3 Josh Vitters- 3.2 mil from Cubs
#4 Daniel Moskos- 2.5 mil from Pirates

C'mon dude. Every team worth a damn has an academy set up overseas and they sign players for a lot less than what the avg 1st rounder gets. The Yanks and any other team with a winning record will NEVER have a shot at drafting a stud player like David Price because they'll never make down to the bottom of the round, unless there's a fear they won't sign and go to college (Gerrit Cole in 08) or are injured (Andrew Brackman in 07). Base your arguements on facts and not just your hate for all things white and pinstriped.

"Success may be a factor, but being a New York City has its advantages"

Should say "NYC team"

YF78- montero is not from cuba hes from venezuela

If you want to blame someone, put it on the shoulders of the Players Union. You know they won't want to lose the big money deals they have today. Unfortunately, I don't believe agents are going to have an epiphany and start lowering their demands, or help this economy to say the least.

@YanksFan

Thats a whole separate topic. International signings need to go away. Any player that wishes to play in MLB, should have to go through the draft. Every team should have equal shot at all players entering the league, not the ones with the most money.\
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And for a fact any team can sign any player from any country so please don't act as if the Yanks hold territorial rights to a country or as if we are spending the most either. The White Sox just signed a guy for 10 mil and the Sucks just signed Tazawa for several million as well.

LOL you are so misconceived i dont even know where to begin to start geneseo. do some research. then post again.

"Due to the condition of the Giants' stadium, the team began finding a new home and started to consider a move from New York. In connection to this, owner Horace Stoneham had a negotiation with San Francisco mayor George Christopher and, in the summer of 1957, the New York Giants proclaimed their transfer to San Francisco, California."

thats why the giants moved. Because the stadium sucked.

for the dodgers

"The owner wanted to move baseball out west."

California is alot bigger to split fans then the boroughs.

i've never seen yankees fans actually defend their teams payroll its hilarious, i'm all for a team spending the money they make but don't make excuses and try to detract from other teams saying they're just as bad when you're by far the worst. if i was a yankee fan i'd be mocking teams calling them poor.
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Why do we have to defend out payroll? It's working w/in the rules. The Tigers spend 100 mil more than the Marlins..so what? It's this ignorance from other people that sickens me.

When asked for comment on the Burnett signing, Brian Cashman responded:"At the end of the day, we really just did it for the lulz. Did we need A.J.? No. Did we even want him? Again, no. It's all for the sake of schadenfreude. Look at how Braves fans have their pants in a wad now. You'd think Sherman just marched through that place again. That's our goal, that's what this organization strives for: Getting off on other people's angst...[Cashman's iPhone2 rings] hold on, that's Boras calling, see if we can swing a buy one-get one for Teixeira and Manny, lol brb."

"I would propose what the mets should do next but i dont think any yankee fans want to hear about that.

Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | December 12, 2008 at 06:12 PM
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The thread has gone so off-topic, it doesn't matter. Go ahead.

Santana/Beckett, what could you possibly mean. Everything I said is a historical fact.

Do you deny the fact that there were already two teams in NYC before the Yankees??

Do you also deny that the yankees beat the Giants in the World series in both 1936 and 1937???

How about in the 50's when things degraded enough that they couldnt handle playing in New Yorks so they Moved to San Fran to start over????

What arent you getting???

"what the yankees should do now
1) ignore that you have 5 left fielders and sign manny ramirez
2) overpay for another pitcher who won't deliver up to his contract and will in all likelihood be traded to the national league along with a boat load of cash
3) trade the least desirable of your left fielders (by paying 80% of his remaining contract)
4) sign chad codero who couldn't get an out in a soccer stadium with 3 1996 kenny loftons in the outfield
5) ignore the 6,7 and 8 innings bullpen wise if the games out of reach you can always count on arod to go deep
6) watch derek jeter's range be reduced to the width of a ford taurus
7) just assume that jorge posada will be healthy next year(i mean why not he's a rock)
8) ignore the fact that your 30m a year thirdbaseman is dating the crypt keeper and is meditating between at bats with crystals on his shakra points

Posted by: jedstylesux | December 12, 2008 at 06:18 PM
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You forgot #9: Buy out the Marlins and allow Hank play with his new team to keep him occupied.

Wait, Santana/Beckett were you the one that posted that comment about the yankees Buying Abreu. Wow there is no way im going to trying and argue baseball history to someone that cant remember something that happend 3 years ago.

I dug this article up, it's so funny:

Red Sox owner John Henry thinks a salary cap could be good for baseball after watching the rival Yankees trade for Alex Rodriguez - a deal his own franchise could not complete.

Henry, whose team failed to obtain Rodriguez from Texas in December, said in an e-mail response to reporters Wednesday that he is changing his mind on whether the sport needs a salary cap "to deal with a team that has gone so insanely far beyond the resources of all the other teams."

Yankees owner George Steinbrenner quickly responded, saying: "We understand that John Henry must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction."
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Keep in mind that at the time the Rangers signed Arod to the 10/$250 mil deal, several years later had a deal w/ Boston to trade Arod to them, the deal fell thru and the Yanks stepped in and traded Soriano for Arod straight up with the Rangers kicking in $65 mil..Haha.funny

I think Braves will get back in for Peavy. They could always bring in a third team.

I will admit that the Dodgers were a good team before they moved but they DID move.

Not by fault of the Yankees. The Yankees could have moved out of NYC but they were better managed and figure that this pount about "NYC is the best market for a franchise" might actualy hold some merrit.

Please just STOP trying to argue against this. If there is only one thing the Yankees can hold for themselves is that they have some of the best sports history.

Are you going to say that talent like Dimagio, Mantel, Ford....... RUTH.

BABE F**KING RUTH.

BIGGEST MISTAKE IN SPORTS HISTORY!

How can you deny this???????

"this bickering is useless"

then don't read it
what else is there to do besides argue and filibuster about baseball? talk to women? see our children? go outside? screw that pitchers and catchers are 3 months away!!

Posted by: jedstylesux | December 12, 2008 at 06:19 PM

Dang, you're right. Sorry man.

Listening to you guys argue about payroll and who buys who is hilarious. I am a diehard Yanks fan and I will acknowledge that they clearly spend more than any other team....

However, they can do that because the Steinbrenners are perfectly fine with spending money on their team. Perfect example, the twins don't want to spend money so they don't, but their owner is filthy rich. It's just a matter of what you want to spend on.

All this argument on who's rotation is better is ridiculous too. The AL East is going to be a very tight race this year and how can people say who is going to get hurt. No one here can tell the future and no one knows who is going to get hurt. CC may be 300 pounds, but so was David Wells and he did fine. AJ Burnett has injury problems too but if the Yankees are willing to take that risk than let them take that risk.

Some teams are more fortunate than others to have money. If you don't like it than draft better players like the Rays did and you'll get better eventually.

Rolling{Night}Hawk{09}, I'll help you out. Let's see if anybody cares. Here's what the Mets should do now:

1) Sign Derek Lowe (3/51 or 4/62), unless the Red Sox force them into a bidding war, at which point they should move on to either Oliver Perez or Ben Sheets.
2) Trade Ryan Church, Scott Schoeneweis and Eddie Kunz to the Cubs for Mark DeRosa and Jason Marquis. The Cubbies get their lefty outfielder, a specialist and a nice prospect, and the Mets get their 2B and a fifth starter.
3) Sign Pat Burrell (2/18). I hate Burrell just as much as the next guy, but he's the best fit for us on the market now because Ibanez is gone. What better way to respond to the Phils than to sign one of their favorite players?
4) Sign at least one of the following relievers: Joe Biemel, Chad Cordero, or Will Ohman.
5) Give Luis Castillo to charity.

Lets get this thread back on track here...
WOW THE YANKEES SIGNED AJ BURNETT FOR 5 YEARS AT 82.5 MILLION. now they have 2 aces a pitcher with raw ace talent and a future ace not to mention these pitchers make up a great 1-4 if all remain healthy.

Not a huge fan of Burnett but he has potential. Would have rather gotten Sheets. Now go get Pettite and Texiera.

Lots of money is coming off the books this year. So they can still do that and make it work without increasing payroll.

Cashman is very astute with the draft. He knew he would need to spend this year, so do it. He is giving up a first rounder for CC. He can't lose a second (the Gerrit Cole pick is guarantied).

So take as many Type A's when you can with nothing to lose.

They do need one more bat IMO (not talking Cameron - a relatively minor upgrade). I'd like to add Tex or Dunn, but others might work as well (Burrell/Abreu?).

Also, maybe add a veteran reliever. I like the Yanks bullpen future but maybe a Saito or someone might take pressure off Edwar and the other kids to be the man right away.

Last, getting CC and AJ allows the Yanks to start off '09 with Hughes in the pen. He has done all he can at AAA. Let him gain confidence out of the pen and work his way in if there is an injury (AJ). Or he is starting to resemble Jason Isringhausen in some ways.

metsobsessed lol to your comment. i actually agree with most of what you have said although the mets might be reluctant to trade Eddie Kunz but all in all similar to what my post would have been especially the Pat Burrell and Luis Castillo sections.

Ryan Church is not a crappy player. He was off to an All-Star calliber start before the concussions and is a very good defensive player. I got yelled at on this site for undervaluing him. And how can you call Kunz crappy? He's a prospect. It's really two deals: Church/Kunz for DeRosa, and Show for Marquis, which Heyman himself said was going on.

Wow, I got so upset I couldn’t even finish the thought I was on about Yankee greats and how they were a well manage team back then.

So let me finish. Along with the fact the Sox traded babe Ruth TO FUND A TERRIBLE PLAY and the Yankees were opportunistic to bid for him, they also pumped out more HOF'ers and won more championships than any team, all the while teams were movie OUT of New York.
I am not proud of the way my team has been managed in the last 8 years but you cant say we haven’t made some good decisions in the past.
I can’t believe I'm actually having to typing this.

FYI Becket/Santana, for every post you make trying to argue against this well known fact, im going to conclude my remakr with a Babe Ruth, untill you admit you're wrong.

Babe Ruth.

GeneseoMC20, THE YANKEES BOUGHT BABE RUTH!!!

metsobsessed:

as a red sox fan i'd love to agree with you. but that 1.80 era against the sox is the reason they signed him...

my point is just what u said that he's on the shelf most of the time, so if he's injured it doesn't matter how good he is

once again tho u r wrong with his stuff. Burnett if he could stay healthy would be a Josh Beckett or even better. Hes got some of the filthiest stuff in the majors. Please watch him pitch a game.

"Yanks have the highest home attandance and the 4th highest road draw. We contribute so much to other teams it's riduclous. Revenue sharing, luxury tax and a top 4 road draw.

Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 12, 2008 at 06:33 PM "

That palace of a stadium will be one hell of a moneymaker... hopefully some working people can get affordable tickets...

Wait, metsobsessed I really serious, I cant tell of youre joking.

and by the way were not talking about that. Were talking about good team decisions versus bad team decisions.

Breaking News:
The Yankees according to GeneseoMC20's inside *my head* sources the New York Yankees have purchased the rights to the coffin of Babe Ruth and resurrected him from the dead.The deal is reportedly 10 years 300 million dollars. Many look down on this signing however because The Babe is getting uo there in years and although he still has 40 HR power the Yankees will look to use him as their CF in 2009.

Santana/BeckettFTW,

where the hell did you go? Are you trying to pull one of the whole "Im not going to debate this topic because I'm right" kind of things becaue you haven't replied to any of my posts.

geneseo you are the reason i hate yankees fans. You talk about how well managed they were in the 1920-1960's (and they were!) but they still overspent most teams in baseball. Not by as much as they do now. but they have always been in top 5 in payroll. cleveland was one of the few competitors in payroll. do some backdating.

Also dont talk about winning a century ago. You dont see celtic fans talking about the 1970's when they were dominant. or laker fans. Its the next century. move on.

The Yankees bought Babe Ruth for $120,000. The Red Sox sold him. I thought everyone knew that. You know he pitched for the Red Sox for five years? To the tune of a 2.16 ERA? Come on, GeneseoMC20, know your facts.

Rolling{Night}Hawk{09},

what exatly are you trying to argue? have you run out of any real contributions or are you just trying to sound cool in front of your red sox buddies?

yes they did buy abreau. he had 1 year on his contract when they traded for him. they then offered him 15 million a year. I would call that a buy. What would you consider Johan Santana? just because he was traded doesn't mean that the Mets didn't "buy" him. they had to sign an extention.
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The Phillies signed Abreu to a $54 mil deal w/ an 08 option for $16 mil and a $2mil buyout. The Yanks simply picked up the option. They didn't extend him at all. Know your facts.