Angels Do Not Have Interest In Dye

Makes more sense to sign Adam Dunn. It won't cost prospects or draft picks.

btw, for future reference, all of Dye's NTC teams are in the northeast.

Cowley's a moron. Come on, Dye for Figgins? Why on earth would KW do that? Maybe Figgins and Kendrick or Wood.

Figgins doesn't seem to be enough on his own, but Figgins + one of the Angels good pitching prospects seems to be too much.

Dye + Fields for Figgins, Adenhart & bullpen piece?

wow, I was actually thinking that Figgins was too much for Dye. Figgins can play many positions, and didn't he hit like .340 last year? Dye has one more year until he becomes a free agent. Bad trade for Angels.

Figgins hit .330 in 07'. .276 in 08'. A pretty big drop.

I think the Sox have enough middle infielders, they're going to be looking for pitching in any trade involving Dye.

How bout Konerko for Figgins or
Thome for Figgins...Dye can run better and is more versatile than either. I'd rather keep Dye

Figgins can play CF.

Trade Konerko instead.. Konerko for Figgins/Pitcher. Josh Fields can play first base for sox. Also Sox need to sign starting pitcher (Pedro Martinez?)

"If the Sox get Chone for Dye, would that open up the possibility of a trade to the Rangers for Young at 2B? Perhaps Fields becomes expendable, thus providing the 3B that the Rangers are alleged to be searching in any trade for Young(though I somewhat doubt that a 3B would be mandatory return)."

Dude for like the 800th time KW does not want Michael Young and his ridiculous contract.

Just sign Dunn.

I'm not entirely sure we could get Willits (and I'll take Chone in center over Owens). Though if Chone did play 3B, I can live with Anderson's glove in CF.

This deal makes too much sense. It would massively benifit both teams.

WTF is going on? Why would the Angels want Dye? We don't need another F'ing Outfielder. That would be the lamest move yet.
Sign Dunn over trading for Dye.

I'll take Dye for Figgins. that makes the Halos' lineup:

Izturis SS
Kendrick 2B
Guerrero DH
Dye RF
Hunter CF
Morales 1B
Napoli C
Rivera LF
Wood SS

lots of right-handed hitting, but that lineup doesn't look too bad at all.

Figgins doesn't seem like enough for Dye. Maybe a season ago, but he had a pretty weak 2008 so his value isn't super high at the moment.

But as someone just mentioned earlier, a high level pitching prospect coupled with Figgins seems like too much from the Angels perspective. Someone like Kevin Jepsen seems like a good fit. The Angels bullpen is already pretty deep, and Jepsen is major league ready/the type of power arm KW likes for the bullpen (plus the White Sox bullpen takes up way too much of their payroll, and it might allow them to offload a contract in another trade).

So I think Dye for Figgins (who I'm guessing would be tabbed to play CF, not 3B) and Jepsen makes sense.

Put Lowe in front of weaver

For the 1 millionth time, the Sox do not want Figgins. Go hide under a rock if you really think Figgins for Dye straight up is fair. Figgins isnt young, he is in his 30's. He is injury prone and has zero power. I would rather have Fields at 3b then waste trading Jermaine Dye for Chone Figgins when Jorge Cantu would be worth the trade.

If the Sox could get Figgins AND Willits, I would definitely make this move. I'm fairly sure Chicago has been high on Chone for awhile, and Willits could potentially start in left or center and provide more speed in the lineup.

Am I the only person who thinks Figgins is worth more than Dye? Figgins is a defensive freak at almost every position. He isnt that injury prone (He was hurt last year), He hits for average. He takes walks he is cheaper and younger. Also the Angels value him big time. Not even sure the Angels would take only Dye for Figgins.

First person that his hiding under a rock anyone else?

I'm with ya. Figgins has what we need.

First off Cowley has excellent contacts with the Sox it should be taken seriously that the two teams are talking about Dye. However Cowley seemed to opinion that Figgins was the guy the Sox mainly wanted. I personally would push more for Willitis than Figgins. The reason that Dye should be and is of interest to the Angels is JD has proven himself to be a smart and consistent post season hitter. He won the WS MVP award in 05 and was consistently getting hits in the Rays series. The Angels desperately need someone they can count in to get clutch hits in the post season and thats why he is of value to them. If JD gets traded I will miss him but right now the Sox desperately need a true leadoff man and the Angels have two they dont really need in Figgins and Willitis. IMO Figgins is not enough for Dye straight up and agree with the other poster that Reggie and Chone for JD would be a good and fair trade for both teams. Trader Kenny will want pitching but most likely the Angels wont bite. I am luke warm about Figgins at leadoff but Reggie being a righty could form an effective platoon leadoff combo with Jerry Owens in CF. Brent Lillibridge is another righty who could end up being platooned at leadoff. Kenny is not going to let Dye go cheaply and should not.

The only way Wood is getting more than an AB a week is if Figgins is gone. It's time for that to happen.

KW has serious man love for Figgins! He fits in Ozzie's plan but having Thome and Konerko in the same lineup is just too damn slow.Having Willits and Figgins is just too damn lite

i'd do Figgins for Willits in a heartbeat too.

any idiot could sit on the bench and look lost in the outfield.. that's all Willits does.

Surely the Reds would try to swoop in and get Figgins/Willits if either was available.

Leave it to Dusty to try and put together a Voltron of the worst lead-off-speed guys around.

For the Angels, it would be better for them to sign Abreu and let Dunn go to the Nationals.

ugh...really? young is on the decline, and at 32, it's just beginning. coincidentally, so is that massive contract the rangers signed him to for whatever reason. he's not good on defense (though he'd probably be better at 2b, his natural position) and with his bat fading, he won't be worth half his salary in all likelihood.

the sox have 3 decent options at 2B with Getz, Nix, Lillibridge. none project as stars, but all they need is a stopgap until Beckham is ready. 2B falls behind CF, 4th starter, backup catcher in the list of things for KW to improve upon.

For two reasons,

1) the Rangers are overvaluing Young, and hence want more for him than just Dye.

2) Young doesn't fit our needs. Priority one on the position player side of the game is a leadoff hitter. Young is not that. While he would be a great addition to the team, he would be a luxury. Figgins, who is a more typical leadoff hitter, capable of getting on base, and fast enough to move over on a hit and run or steal situation fits that bill better.

Later,
Aaron

I think Dye's name shouldn't be mentioned in any rumor unless it's for a top pitching prospect. Uribe honesty makes more sense the Young does at this point.

whats with all this goffy talk of figgins AND willits? anybody that knows kenny's MO knows the 2nd part will be a pitcher. when a team already has b anderson and j owens, what the heck are they gonna do with willits. my concern is what do they do for dye's vacated OF position. its VERY unlikely that the sox will sign abreu and NO WAY they'll sign base-clogging dunn since they are looking to get faster. alternatively, i'd like to see konerko instead of dye as the piece going to the angels because i love fields bat and he WILL get the majority of his career ABs at 1b whether its with the sox or some other team.

It is so baffling that the Angels could be willing to give up the super versatile Figgins, speedy, Good CF'er, gets on base for a bum knee'd and over paid corner of'er. Dunn is a much better option over Dye, younger and can certainly get him in the 12 million range with a contract expiring before the current age that Dye is and he is actually healthy.

If the Angel's do something foolish like this, they deserve to struggle and have to put up with Mathews getting more playing time next season when Dye's bad knees finally blow out.

The idea of acquiring Figgins, isn't a bad one for the White Sox. Figgins would be a nice addition to what they HAVE. To subtract a Dye, or a Konerko for him is not the best of ideas because it just creates new holes and bigger ones at that.

Dye for Figgins better come with Adenhart, Weaver, or even Santana (may cost the Sox something from the farm).

If it doesn't, he better not be dealt for anything but 2 upper level pitching prospects. One for the production he'll bring over the next 2 years, and the 2nd for the at least one draft pick the team will receive.

If he isn't dealt for someone of similar dollar value, they better plan on spending his salary on a pitcher/hitter (opposite of what they acquire).

The Michael Young talk needs to end. Why trade for a guy who is on the decline, has a bad contract, and isn't worth the requirements to acquire him? It's silly.

When he was hitting .315-.300 and hitting 20+ homers, he was worth it. Now that he struggles to hit .300 (in Arlington) and hits 9 homers or whatever, what is his positive? A gold glove? I'd rather not.

He also only clogs up an infield that has talent. Young won't play 3rd but he'll play ss/2nd. Beckham and Alexi show more promise in those spots and with Fields at 3rd, I say give him a shot.

Any deal for Young, which I am not totally against, is only done if it costs the Sox a Josh Fields package. Dye + Poreda is ignorant.

Young is overrated, over-paid, and now, has put the Rangers in a position where everyone know they have no leverage.

If I were the Sox, I'd offer Fields, Texas native and TCU alum Lance Broadway, and I'd throw in some lowe-prospects with upside. Outside that, why waste your time?

I know this post is long but I'm not done...

If the Sox are to trade Dye. They need to get young arms. Bailey or Adenhart are guys their respective front offices have soured on. Bailey for attitude and performance, Adenhart because of his lack of progress in the pros and their desire to win now.

This is my own personal fantasy but if I were the Sox. I'd be calling Chicago's furthest North Suburb (Milwaukee) and I'd be pushing Jenks or Dye at them for a JJ Hardy. I now Melvin has said no, but with Escobar behind him, I don't believe it. I think Jenks could net Cameron and Hardy, and I think Dye could net Hardy and a prospect.

Outside of that...Texas, Atlanta, Boston, and Baltimore are farms I'd like for Kenny Williams to explore for Dye.

Damn thats long...sorry guys.

This would have to be Dye + player to be named later or cash considerations for Figgins.

Juan Rivera deserves a FT job. His bat could equal that of Dye's away from USC.

Vlad is the RFer. Not Dye. Dye might DH and may get some RF time along with other outfilders. Would he be comfortable in that role?

So Sox Fans gotta get a grip. Figgins was injured in 08. There's no room for Figgins in 09 and he's gotta go. Forget about getting Willits in the deal, no way, no how. Willits gets concusions and wins games for the team. He is Mr. Halo.

Well the Angels will explore every avenue at getting a 1b bat like the Prince and a fifth starter as a priority over getting Dye.

Dye might be good in USC but I'd pitch around others on the road to get to his AB. And it might be that way in Anaheim. as well.

Last year Brandon Wood was swinging at pitches a foot outside. Also the backup 3rd baseman Izturis was out with injuries quite a bit. So I suggest that people hold onto their shorts, as the teams fill out their pitching rosters. Its only a month till pitchers and catchers report to spring training (YAY)!

two things.

1. to BK, if you're talking about Ervin, you're incorrect. John Danks is more valuable. Probably Carlos Quentin too.

2. I've seen some talk about Dye's age. Yeah he's getting up there, but he's a free agent at the end of next season. Teams looking for a one year rental on a middle of the order bat should be looking at Dye.

And Kristy Joe...to suggest that Dye isn't enough because Figgins was hurt last year and that's why his numbers were down...huh? Everybody knows he was hurt. Being hurt still lowers your value because it raises health and durability questions. Dye is coming off a legit top-10 MVP season. Figgins is coming off a terrible season. They're both one year rentals. To suggest FIGGINS possesses more value is pretty absurd in my mind. They're histories count, of course, but no season holds more importance than 2008 at this point in time. The only thing that drags down Dye's value is his price tag, but the Angels are a team that can absolutely afford adding an extra 5-7M (subtracting Figgins, adding Dye) to the payroll if they really feel he fills a need (which is admittedly questionable).
It's just a very confusing post...saying Dye isn't enough, and then immediately following up with Figgins has to go...just kind of all over the place.

Oh, for flip's sake! This better not be true...

Reagins is an idiot if he's going to send Figgins for a 34 year old Dye (and pay Dye $11m+ for '09) when we could have had a 31 year old Burrell for $8m. You get roughly the same numbers from either Burrell or Dye (better BA from Dye but much better OBP from Burrell).

Even if it's not Figgy, it would probably be at least something like Willits + one of Walden or Jepsen or some decent prospect.

And remember, doing this means paying Sarge Jr $10m/yr to be a pinch hitter and 8th inning defensive replacement.

HUH?? BK go back to your Burger King Whopper maker....Quentin was a bonafide STUD last year and will be.....Santana got shelled for 2 years and then had 1 decent year, but not spectacular!!

IN KENNY I TRUST

BK,

Wrong on both counts there. Quentin was a serious contender for the MVP last year even with an injury late in the season. He was second in the league in HR (he figured to hit around 40 without the injury).He drove in 100 RBI and had an almost .400 OBP. He was certainly the most important position player on the Sox roster in their run to the division title. While Santana was had a strong year, you could not say he was the most important pitcher the Angels had last year. Santana is not more valuable than Quentin, quite the opposite.

Danks and Santana put up similar numbers. Santana threw for more innings than Danks did, however that is to be expected since he is in his fourth year starting in the majors, as Danks is only in his 2nd. Danks ERA is .17 points below Santana's while Santana had more wins. While Danks is not necessarily more valuable than Santana, I don't think you can make a strong argument to the contrary either. With Danks being two years younger, I think their value is fairly even.

Later,
Aaron

Guess it was all BS.

It's pretty hard to argue about who is better between Danks, Quentin and Santana. All three are young players. Each has a few warts. Each had terrific seasons in 08. No need to run down any of the players.

Here is why Figgins is valuable (for the White Sox fans scratching their head over this deal).

1. Figgins can play any position - and can play most of them well. His defense at 3rd base is outstanding. His defense everywhere else is passable.

2. Figgins has improved as a lead-off hitter. As a lead-off hitter Figgins is tasked with getting on base. He has improved dramatically in this category. His walk rates have climbed from 7.5% to 12% over the past few years. By way of comparison Dye peaked at has been declining down to his 2008 numbers at 7%. A lead-off hitter with excellent speed that can post an OBP north of 370 is very valuable in the right system.

3. Figgins provides speed that the Angels need. While I don't think he is a threat to steal 60 bases, a healthy Figgins is good for at least 40. His speed, in Mike Scoscia's game, is critical for the Angels success.

4. He's inexpensive. Guessing he ends up at around $6m after arbitration.

5. There is no one else at 3B that can be trusted. Brandon Wood might be the next Troy Glaus. Or he could be the next Dallas McPhereson. Having Figgins is an insurance policy against poor play on Wood's part.

"If the the Angels want a corner bat why not just sign Manny? Give up no players and get the best bat on the market. But this sounds like a pipe dream so."

That would require giving up a draft pick. Granted, they're already giving up a draft pick because of Fuentes, but I'd think the Angels would be more inclined to sign Dunn or Abreu than Manny. They'd produce close enough to what Manny would with half the salary. And it would allow them to keep a draft pick.

Got to like the way Angels do business. They have plan and stick to it. They got a lot of picks this year too. I always say GM'S with patience, always produce a good team. No different here for the Angels.

You're forgetting that Juan Pierre sucks.

Trying to think like the Angels GM, they only lost Teixeira, and K-Rod at this point. They still have a hell of a team, kicked my Sox butts all season. Play-offs, anything can happen, but one thing about last years play-offs, I think they could really dominate if had one more quality starter. Speculating here, but I think they make a run at Peavy. May not be at this moment, but down the road I can see this team putting a package together for him. Many picks this year in draft, can maybe ptu something SD, will be satisfied in return.

"Its all not going to happen. KW keep Dye or trade him to the Braves for Hanson. Figgins is to old."

Hanson won't be traded for Dye. Or anybody. Remember, this is the same Hanson that the Braves refused to deal for Peavy.

Hanson >>>> Dye.

Something I think hasn't been mentioned here yet is what Scioscia's extension to 2018 means for the Angels. This is HIS team, run the way he wants, with a huge emphasis on manufacturing runs. And he loves Figgins, who is EXACTLY the sort of NL type player he likes. Plus, he is as unselfish as they come, another MUST for Mike.

The AL West is weak enough that the Angels can get to July in good shape as is, then put together a deal where their needs are then. They are dealing from a position of strength and don't need broken down White Sox geezers, thanks anyway, Kenny.

"Hanson won't be traded for Dye. Or anybody. Remember, this is the same Hanson that the Braves refused to deal for Peavy.

Hanson >>>> Dye."

Yea it would never happen but Hanson isn't better then Dye, he hasn't even pitched a full season in the majors.

Potential means nothing unless you show it in the big leagues.