Brewers Rumors: Sheets, Cameron, Swisher

This team is just dieing to finish 3rd or 4th in the central this year.....

the yankees would not trade swisher for cameron the brewers would need to add in a prospect.

ugh we are never gonne get rid of swisher and nady... i hate swisher

trade nady, swisher, hughes, and kennedy for peavy and gerut

"the yankees would not trade swisher for cameron the brewers would need to add in a prospect."

That's incorrect. 1) Cameron is better than Melky/Gardner offensively. 2) Next season Cameron's CHONE OPS is .767. Swisher's is .814. Cameron's defense more than makes up for the difference in offense. 3) Cameron for 1 year would allow AJax to take over in 2010.

So the Yankees COULD make the deal. The Brewers would almost be guaranteed to only trade Cameron for Swisher if there was no other players added by the Brewers. Otherwise there's no benefit to Milwaukee.

nady had a fluke season id trade him a his contract is up and his value is high as of now get rid of him while they still can, the yankees should have learned there lesson when they did not get rid of melky for Santana.

"I still believe the yankees are laying in the weeds on manny... its too much of a bargain and if we clear nady and swisher..... still keeps payroll down"

The Dodgers offered 2/$45M with a 3rd year option. They haven't spent that payroll. So if any other team signs Manny, it's going to cost at least that much. How is Manny a bargain that will keep payroll down? Nady and Swisher won't make a combined $22.5M next year.

"nady had a fluke season id trade him a his contract is up and his value is high as of now get rid of him while they still can, the yankees should have learned there lesson when they did not get rid of melky for Santana."

You sure Nady's value is high? Things lowering Nady's value: 1) free agent after next season. 2) represented by Boras. 3) Had a fluke 89 games for the Pirates. 4) Was back in line with his career OPS+ while with the Yankees (105). 5) Nady will probably make between $5-7M next season.

I think a melky and swisher for dukes would be a good trade.

this is coming from a milwaukee paper.. i doubt the yankees have even thought of trading swisher for cameron

Swisher is about to enter his prime these next three years he should get a .260 average with 30 hrs and 100 rbis nady should close to .300 so we should get some value for them melky in his prime will probally hit .280 with good he already had a season where he hit .280

Two errors in my last post which not with which is good.
And nady should be close to

Also melky is already a good fielder

how about trade both nady and swisher and get money or just wait for holliday next year and your 2009 outfeild will be damon matsui and melky. which sucks but im ok cause there infeild makes it up

Mike Cameron might be the piece the Yankees need to reclaim the division. Without a slick glove guy between the mediocre fielding LF and RF the Yanks might come up just short now that the Rays and Sox have both fortified. Wouldn't it be something if not trading a pitching prospect for a good CF cost the Yanks a game in Sept and they ended up missing the playoffs with 90 something wins. The Brewers would take Hughs or Kennedy for Cameron. Yanks should trade Milwaukee the guy less likely to pitch for them this year. Brewers don't want a position player.

The Yankees still have interest in Mike Cameron and floated the idea of a Nick Swisher for Cameron swap.
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This would be so messed up that I have to believe it's not true.

"Nady worth 2 prospects."

Yeah, 2 fringe prospect maybe.

"how about swisher for DeJesus a Brooklyn native I'm sure he would fit in with the yankees fine."

Ummm, and now we've entered Yankee dream land. DeJesus is better and cheaper than Swisher. And signed through 2011.

"DeJesus is better and cheaper than Swisher."

they're different type of players. dejesus would be better fit for the yankees defensively as a CF, but swisher has that high obp, high pitches per plate appearance, and twice the power that dejesus has

well randy winn has played center and still has speed so he would be an upgrade over melky/gardner if they arent getting the job done. and like i said he would be after trying to get dejesus and cameran, have a better cf option then that?

yeah and we should trade for pujols too?

why would pirates trade him? hes their only star, hes cheap, hes under control, they're trying to sign him long term. plus they'd want hughes, austin jackson, and another prospect.

and hes overrated defensively (dont bring up gold glove) and he had a career year at the plate

"they're different type of players. dejesus would be better fit for the yankees defensively as a CF, but swisher has that high obp, high pitches per plate appearance, and twice the power that dejesus has"

Seriously? First off, DeJesus is the better CF. The Royals already have corner OFs in Guillen and Teahen. Second, with the addition of Crisp, DeJesus will probably be a corner OF. Third, last season DeJesus has a 119 OPS+. That includes "high obp and power".

Oh, and DeJesus makes $14M to Swisher's $21M the next 3 seasons.

"DeJesus is the better CF"

i said dejesus was better defensively.
you took dejesus' career year for OPS+, he's going to be back around 105 while swisher will be back around 125

calling right soxs RF a great player bobby had a better year then drew. and then calling him league average and calling jeter average get real.

Both lineups have their issues, health will be the deciding factor. Each team has its concerns Drew/Ortiz/Lowell & Posada/Matsui/Damon

""Oh, and DeJesus makes $14M to Swisher's $21M the next 3 seasons."

exactly, why would royals make this move?"

Beats me. It was a Yankee fan who suggested this trade. I listed the reasons the Royals would have no interest in Swisher.

"calling right soxs RF a great player bobby had a better year then drew. and then calling him league average and calling jeter average get real."

Abreu isn't with the Yankees next year is he? Nady is a league average player. Jeter was league average offensively last year and below average defensively.

I am real. It's about time you live in the present and not the past patrick.

actually jeter was only slightly below average defensively last year, and fielded better than michael young who won the gold glove

and his offense was above average

being ranked 9th in the MLB during a "down" as a shortstop is not below average

The Yankees are not going to trade Swisher for 1 year of Cameron. Long-term the deal makes no sense. A combo of Melky and Gardner can suffice for one year. Plus the Yanks would be smart to give Gardner a chance to prove himself. He hit much better after his second call up than his first and the Yanks need to think about who might be able to replace Damon as a leadoff hitter after the 09 season. People need to get off the bull**it of judging a promosing rookie based upon a poor showing in a very small sample size of 127 at bats.

Also, on another not I really truly think people need to get over this stupid idea of the value of a late 1st round pick. If I'm a team coming off of a playoff bid and just lost two premier pitchers and had the opportunity to sign a Type A player that I felt would dramatically help my team I could care less about a 1st rnd pick in the 20's (27th overall). The cream of the crop lies in the top 10. Sure, you can find gems late in the 1st round, but c'mon....you're in the hunt for a championship. Even if they were to find a good player at #27 overall , how long would it take for that player to have an impact on the team, 2-3 years? If I'm a Brewers fan who just had a sniff of the playoffs after 20 years, was elimanted in the 1st round and just lost 2 front line pitcher, I would want my team to go out and replace at least one of them via FA and maybe another thri a trade. Makes no sense.

And as much as I am a Yanks fan people have to operate with realistic expectations that Austin Jackson may not be ready to start by 2010. What has be done that would make anyone thing he's going to be the next Ricky Henderson? If anything, he will probably be the next Roberto Kelly, who was still a very good ballplayer btw.

"Also, on another not I really truly think people need to get over this stupid idea of the value of a late 1st round pick. If I'm a team coming off of a playoff bid and just lost two premier pitchers and had the opportunity to sign a Type A player that I felt would dramatically help my team I could care less about a 1st rnd pick in the 20's (27th overall). The cream of the crop lies in the top 10. Sure, you can find gems late in the 1st round, but c'mon....you're in the hunt for a championship."

And this is why you're not going to be a GM any time soon. The Brewers just lost their best 2 pitchers. They AREN'T going to be competing for a championship next season. And there are MANY gems outside the top 10. Joba was a compensation pick - #41. Lester was a 2nd rounder. Same with McCann.
Point being, it's not where the draft pick is, but that you have as many draft picks as possible. And to lose them for what? Oliver Perez? He sucks. Derek Lowe? It'll still be a few years before the Brewers compete, thus negating his value to the Brewers. Juan Cruz? Relievers are volatile.

derek jeter is 4.65 runs above the average shortstop

thanks

Tom Handicourt usually doesn't make stuff up. He might not be the sharpest baseball reporter, but he is honest.
Looks like another case of the Yankees trying to pawn off their overpriced medicority onto the brewers. First Igawa/Cabrera & now Swisher.
My concern with Swisher would be two fold. Billy Beane & Kenny Williams dumped him for prospects that's a big red flag. If two good GM's dump you uh-oh. That second half last year in Chicago was brutual. Is that a hiccup or an Andruw Jones free fall. Taking on 21 Million in salary is a huge risk/reward scenario.
To get Greinke away from KC its going to cost some serious talent. KC is not motivated to move DeJesus or Greinke. Decent prospects won't even get a call returned.
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Look, I have no emotional attachment to Swisher at all, but saying that the fact he was traded for prospects indicates a problem is absurd. What talented player earning money hasn't Beane traded? As for Swisher in CHicago Ozzie made it obviuos that he had personality comflicts with Swisher. He had an off year, but I would hardly classify him as damaged goods.

Ans as I mentioned in a above post, w/ the exception of the newly acquired Jacobs to play 1st , Swisher easily had better stats that any player on the Royals in terms of HRS, BB and pitches taken. He would be a great bat to stich in the middle of your line-up to make the pitchers work a little and teach the younger hitters about patience.

There's no way Melvin would be stupid enough to do any deal with the Yankees for Cameron unless he's going to get one of their young arms. The Brewers don't need/ can't afford to have overpaid, mediodcre players clogging up the payroll

"Actually, before you rip on the guy, that deal would've made a lot of sense if it were done before they traded for Mike Jacobs to play 1st."

So this would have been a good deal if this trade had been made before the Yankees had Swisher? Jacobs to the Royals October 30. Swisher to the Yankees November 13.
You're ridiculous.
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The point was that Swisher would've have made perfect sense IF they hadn't already secured a 1B. The deal wold STILL make sense but they would have to clear one of their OF, thus making it neccesary for them to make a 2nd move.

Guillen is stuck in RF and you have Crisp, DeJesus and Teahan sharing CF/LF. With Jacobs being acquired that blocks Swisher from playing 1st. Subtract DeJesus from the line-up and you would still have a crowded OF with Crisp, Guillen, Teahan and Swisher.

Therefore, the reason I said it would've made more sense b4 they traded for Jacobs (because Swisher would play 1B and they would have an OF of Crisp, Teahan and Guillen).

Even if Nady is only for a yr, he comes with the possibility of being a Type A FA and if he leaves that team would get a 1st round pick. And knowing how players perform in their contract year it is very likely. CC was a 3 month rental and look want they gave for him. I'm not saying the Yanks will get the same but the Yanks are giving away a 2 draft pick by trading Nady.

its funny how soxs fans talk about the yankees coming in 3rd you guys came in third not to long ago in 2006 86-76.

"I have said time and time again the Yankees need to try to acquire David Dejesus and Zack Grienke from the Royals. They get a young CF with a lot of pop and an ACE that is cheap and covetable for many years. If it means trading Swisher and solid prospects then so be it.

Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | January 11, 2009 at 11:40 AM"

Yeah Hughes, Kennedy, Jackson, Cox, and Swisher.. maybe..