Pirates Trade Reactions

I would be unhappy too if I played for the Pirates. They had a stud OF of Bay, Nady, and Mclouth at this time last year and they are all gone. Nyjer Morgan steps in and shows signs of becoming a good player and he is gone now also.

I would especially be unhappy that the key piece they got back is Lastings Milledge. He is a great talent but he is reminding me of Milton Bradley.....great skills with a crappy attitude, nothing is ever their fault. Milledge has already wore out his welcome with 2 clubs and he is only 23. Hopefully he grows up but I wouldn't give him a shot and traded a good player like Morgan for him until he proved to me he isn't a little kid throwing a temper tatrum anymore.

Hunington is doing a great job.

Jack, just get down off your soapbox. The Pirates gave a draftee a high bonus...Jack Wilson doesn't approve. The Pirates make a trade...Jack Wilson doesn't approve. Just shut it and play ball, dude. You'll be gone soon enough.

If Milledge becomes a great player for Pittsburgh they will ship him off for a prospect or two in the future. The cycle repeats itself until they find a GM that likes winning.

...assuming overmind is a Pirates fan. Even if he isn't, NH is taking a lot of heat over moves the Pirate fans should actually be somewhat excited about with the potential involved. At least with the Nats deal, he traded 2 low ceiling players while their stock was high for 2 high ceiling players while their stock was low. That is the sort of move you should want your GM to do especially when you are rebuilding after 15+ years of losing.

i think its funny how bucs fans are now hating on wilson and want him gone for being outspoken and yet critisize the nats orginzation for the doing the exact same thing to the outspoken milledge that they want there orginization to do with wilson.

if your gonna critiszie the nats for getting rid of a headcase. atleast they grew a pair and pulled the trigger. dont sit here and complain about wilson bein a headcase. if you dont like him will ship you back sean burnett

"Wilson argues that the majority of the Pirates' recent moves haven't worked out and says many current Pirates won't be around long enough to enjoy any positives from Neal Huntington's changes."

Yeah, Delwyn Young is only hitting .330, Jack. The other trades are all like these ones, oriented to the future.

That's what happens when you play on a terrible team Jack, your friends get traded for prospects to rebuild once you're gone.

It's the business aspect of baseball. Stop whining about it. You're getting paid $7.4MM to be a glove man. Life is good.

"At least with the Nats deal, he traded 2 low ceiling players while their stock was high for 2 high ceiling players while their stock was low. That is the sort of move you should want your GM to do especially when you are rebuilding after 15+ years of losing."

Well said. Not every move works out, but at least the Pirates' front office has a plan and appears to be sticking to it despite the "friendly fire" from folks like Adam LaRoche and Jack Wilson.

Confusing for PITT.

Nice show last night, Ben.

BRING UP GORKYS HERNANDEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!

I took a beating in the early 90's on a player I thought would be a good player.....that damn Chris Sabo!!!! I was sucked in by the goggles and the scrappy play!!! If only I saw the light and had better metrics at my disposal..lol.

Morgan could flame out at age 30 (next year) or he could be a productive player for the next 5. We'll see. Maybe Milledge will get it together...or maybe he'll be the next Brian Daubach?

You know what..I think Wilson and LaRoche's frustration comes from this. They are professional players who play hard because they love the game despite the realistic fact that they are not going to win anything. They can probably tolerate deadline deals of veterans made to cut salary or to get something in return for a FA bound player they have ZERO hopes of signing. However, the Pirates are 6 games below .500 and to them, finishing @ .500 would be a huge accomplishment. Seeing a player like Morgan who's played hard and well and finally gets a shot at age 29 is a good story. To see someone you like, who plays hard and with that rookie enthusiasm traded mid-season for a player who, league wide, is known to have some issues or is perceived as an under achiever probably rubs them wrong. They should probably keep their feelings to themselves and not air it on to the press but I could understand their feelings. Regardless if you make $20 mil a year or $400k you want to win and you want to win with people you know are going to play as hard as you. Let's hope Milledge plays hard and gets off to a good start.

Wilson and LaRoche's reactions are why active players don't get to decide who stays and who goes.

You can't blame LaRoche and Wilson for being frustrated. You can blame them for going public and lashing out at their GM. The organization isn't going to rip them in return, though, because they still have trade value (particularly Wilson). Huntington did a nice job stating his case without making the situation worse.

Morgan has parlayed a .342 BAbip into a league average looking .286/.351/.376 career line. When normalized to a normal 300 BAbip, that line becomes .251/.320/.341 for the 29 year old.
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Your still acting as if this season is flukish, while in fact, that's a composite of 3 seperate seasons (a call up in 2007 and 2008 and 71 games this year). Also, his numbers are in line with almost his entire minor league line since 2005. So maybe he is capable of being a consistent .280/.350 hitter. Time will tell.

You keep on throwing up his career babip of .342 but fail to mention that in 2007 he had a .356 BaBip, 2007 a .364 BaBip and this year a .325 BaBip, all small sample sizes, but less flukish than you want to portray.

PS- Milledge has a career .301 BaBip and never had one above .316 but has had two below .300. I mean I'm no expert but let's be consistent with the stats you use.

Which slap hitters relying on an extreme amount of infield grounders have been able to control BAbip for any amount of time for continued, year in and year out, production? Reggie Willits? Scott Podsednik? Milt Thompson? Alex Cole? Rudy Law? Willie Tavaras? Quinton McCracken? Roger Cedeno? Dave Roberts? Who?

All of them have lived and died by BAbip year to year. They get lucky a couple seasons. They hit the tank a couple seasons. It is unsustainable, it is not something you can control, you cant just keep it at a high level. When you have next to no power, and rely mainly on infield hits or grounders, you will fail horribly as much, if not more, as you will succeed. And that is why all of them get the hype right away when people first see that BA/OBP, only to realize they are most of their teams problems a year or two later when the player is the one man rally killer.

They are the players most prone to bounce from team to team to team hoping to catch a 5th outfielders, defensive replacement, pinch runner type position and praying to find that luck that first brought their name to the forefront. Most of them get 4 or 5 years, and they are gone. A real high number of them have their careers start late, yet still end in their early 30s. And it doesn’t really matter how strong their defense might be when they are having a one man wrecking ball effect on the offense when they are not in the lucky zone.

Also, I didn’t bring up Milledge with regards to BAbip because I don’t know how really, I guess. At 23 he posted a .268/.330/.402 line with a dead even 300 BAbip. At 22 his BAbip was a littler high, as was his line (.272/.341/.446 with .316 BAbip). But it is still basically 15 points off, so it is not going to have a tremendous impact. Mentioning BAbip with regard to Milledge is pointless, it has no real dramatic affect either way.

i'm a pirate fan but lets be honest,people in pittsburgh just gotta bitch about something.... NH is giving us a chance to win in a few years and i love the work he is doing,get rid of all players with any value and hopefully in two to three years we can be a model like the marlins and maybe make the playoffs with good pitching and get lucky and win it all. Nice.....One more thing at least NH looks like he and his scouts know talent,littlefield was truely the worst.

Jack Wilson would have been traded long ago if the bucs had anyone that could play the position. NH is doing the right thing, Nyjer Morgan was never going to be any better, he gets legit talent in Milledge and somehow gets Hanarahan by throwing in Sean Burnett...wow. I finally feel as a Pirates fan that they have a plan in place and have the upper hand in these deals.

Screw the fans in Pittsburgh

"It's to bad he can't trade his fanbase in"....well said.

The Pirates fans lost their minds when the Bucs traded McLouth and I think that we are a better team now without him. McCutchen is for real and couldn't be kept off the field. McLouth was hitting .250 I don't understand the attachment. I can't wait to deal Doumit next...this guy can't stay on the field and will eventually move to another position where he will be totally average. Doumit, Laroche, Sanchez, Wilson, Snell, and Gorzo all have to be traded, hopefully we can stock up on some young talent and contend in 3-5 years. Winning half of your games isn't a good season and I'm glad that they are building for legit success and not trying to please a spoiled Pittsburgh fanbase.

i say this is good bc morgan is so old, if he was in his early 20s then no, but 29 years old, i think the pirates did well and hannarhan or however u spell it had a good year last year and hes young aswell