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Heyman On V-Mart, Red Sox, Chapman

Jon Heyman of SI.com says the Red Sox will come calling if the Indians are willing to part with Victor Martinez. And take this for what it's worth, but the Indians were scouting Boston's best prospects this week. Here are details on those two clubs and the rest of Heyman's rumors:

  • Clay Buchholz, Justin Masterson and Michael Bowden are just the sort of MLB-ready pitchers the Indians seek.
  • Still, the Indians would require a stunning amount in return for Martinez or Cliff Lee, since both players can be part of a contending Indians club for affordable 2010 options.  
  • Generally speaking, the Red Sox are reluctant to deal their top young pitching.
  • The Indians are relatively deep at catcher, with Kelly Shoppach and prospect Carlos Santana 
  • Red Sox first base prospect Lars Anderson could also appeal to the Indians. 
  • The Pirates initially asked for Craig Stammen or Garret Mock in their recent deal with the Nats, but Mike Rizzo wasn't willing to deal them. 
  • The Phillies discussed Pedro Martinez, since there are few good fits for them on the trade market now. 
  • Heyman says Doug Davis makes sense for the Brewers. 
  • A D'Backs person says "[Dan] Haren stays," even though many of his teammates are believed to be available.
  • Heyman names the Yankees as the early favorites to sign Aroldis Chapman.  


Comments

That division is insanity. The Yankees, Rays, and Jays are very dangerous teams. There is not a team in the AL East that is remotely guaranteed to make the playoffs. There isn't. Boston's on top now, but things can change pretty damn quickly, and I'm betting they do.

Getting VMart would establish Boston as the frontrunners in that division.

In other words, if the Sox want to isolate themselves from the pack, VMart is the most obvious improvement, and Shapiro shouldn't accept any deal that does not have either Buchholz or both of Bowden and (Bard or Masterson) in it.

SO if Boston were to get Vmart then who gets moved where? Is it a foregone conclusion that Lowell is going to miss most of the season? If he's not then where do you stick Ortiz, Lowell and Vmart when he comes off the DL because I doubt they will sit Varitek?

VMart is simply not worth any deal including either Bucholz, nor one that has both Masterson and Bowden Rex. Boston can use both of those to get an impact bat that is controllable for the foreseeable future in the off season if they choose and still make the playoffs this season as the wild card at least this year.

The Sox and Yanks have set the bar in the AL East, the Rays played over their heads last year and yes, while they ard good, they have major holes in the BP, RF and 2B this season that they are unable to do anything about with financial constraints.

Boston will be able to at least have Lowrie to do a fill in at 3B shortly and help out with Loweel on a several times per week basis, which is the only real hole that the Sox have.

Yankees have no real holes either, other than a questionable BP and the Jays a fairly weak offense and injured rotation that both the NYY and Sox will be able to overcome.

Yanks need to be carefull of this Chapman. He could be the next Verlander or he could be the next Todd Van Poppel/Brien Taylor. Allocating $30-$50 mil for a 21 year old is risky, regardless of how much money they have.

gotta give Rizzo credit for not trading Stammen or Mock. Stammen's a future #3 or #4. Mock has been dominant in the minors, they should swap him with Detwiler.

The nationals are abismal right now but wiht the right trades and a future rotation of Strasburg, Lannan, Zimmermann, Stammen and one of Mock/Dewiler/ Martis or someone else, i'm confidnet theyd be able to actually compete in the NL East

YFS78,

This noise over Lowell is all premature.

15cc of fluid was drained from his hip and he was given an injection of lubricant that will help him is all. Everything is expected to be fine and all of Sox nation is acting like his hip is all messed up again when all that is wrong is that he needed a few days off earlier in the season and did not get it, which he will get about the time he returns and Lowrie is activated from the DL.. It is all just hoccus poccus BS.

Lowell has 1 more year left on his deal right?

Right YFS78,

12M for 2010, but the Sox probably would trade/eat that if they could move him, remember they were going to do that if they had signed Tex.

johns-

Have to disagree with the notion that the Rays have holes at RF and 2B.

RF- The Gross/Kapler RF platoon has combined to be worth 2.3 WAR this year. Gross crushes RHP, Kapler crushes LHP. That's a 4.6 win platoon over the year, and that is VERY good production out of one spot. Insanely effective platoon in baseball.

2B- Zobrist plays 2B and has a 1.051 OPS. Aybar's the utility guy and can take starts when Zobrist or Bartlett is off.

Kazmir is back and Upton has gotten out of that funk he was in (.950 OPS in June). Relief pitching is the only hole on the Rays. Which is more the reason the division is a wild house.

Rex,

That's all right, we disagree sometimes and agree on others. It's normal on a board like this.

Zobrist has done fairly well with the Bat, I stand corrected :-( Aybar I would not call the best of fielding people that I would want playing either 2B, or SS while Bartlet was out with his injury, but he is a good utility guy.

Upton still needs to show me a major improvement for an extended period of time rather than over the last 3 weeks. He has been going downhill since he hurt his arm early last year and so far, the surgery does not seem to have corrected it. Maybe these last 3 weeks are a start?

Kaz looked good in his last start since coming back from AAA. Yep, did u know he faced Bucholz in a AAA start? He beat Bucholz also :-)

The Rays are going to need Aki back, if indeed he can. I don't expect career backups (no disrespect intended to these guys) Aybar, Zobrist, Gross and Kapler to continue like this.

The BP will still need some help besides JP Howell (who has looked absolutely dominating in games have watched)Lance Cormier and Joe Nelson. They need Grant Balfour to find his "Magic" from last year to return, or another guy to help out.

IF the Red Sox are serious about V-Mart, they should take whatever package they decide to offer, Buchholz, Bowden, whomever, and make a call to San Diego and see if that same package gets the Padres interested in dealing A. Gonzales. If the Sox are going to dump the farm on a team for a player I would much rather Buccholz be in the NL West and have AG v. V-Mart.

I said it before in another thread the absolute WORST place for A. Chapman is in the Big Wind Votex in the Bronx and I am not just saying this as a Red Sox fan. 21, just in from Cuba, in that park, in that city? This kid will get shelled, he will get booed and he will be shipped off to the White Sox for a bag of potato chips. Maybe after intense rehabilitation with Contreras and Ozzy will he be able to throw a strike.

As I remember this kid got shelled by Japan and Australia in the WBC, like 7.00 era, and he is going to handle playing for the Yankees? Ok...sure.

This poor kid has Hideki Irabu written all over him...

Do yourself a favor Chapman go to the White Sox give your MLB career a chance to succeed.

Buchholz, Materson & Bowden:
- I don't see Theo trading them unless Lowell's leg falls off or Varitek's glove hand explodes. Maybe not even then.

Shoppach & Santana:
- Kottaras had very similar numbers to Shoppach in AAA and is fairly close to Shoppach's rookie numbers. And he can catch the knuckleball. Shoppach also strikes out 1/3 of the time. Definitely not something that would endear him to the Sox. I don't see him as an upgrade. As for Carlos Santana, the Sox are kind of partial to guitarists, though his career has been kind of up and down since the Abraxas album.

Anderson:
- I hope he's a lot better than what I saw in spring training or read in the Seadogs stats. Or at least that some other team thinks he is.

Chapman:
- The Yankees got outbid by the Sox exactly once and still can't get over it. Don't expect them to ever allow it to happen again.

That outbidding might work out for the best in the long term. TBD. But really, the Yankees want a lefty who throws 100 because they were outbid by the Sox for a completely different player? Good logic.

Look on the bright side Tribe fans. If they trade Victor, you guys will be hearing awesome guitar riffs behind the plate for YEARS to come.

Chapman:
- The Yankees got outbid by the Sox exactly once and still can't get over it. Don't expect them to ever allow it to happen again.

Posted by: Little Bear | July 03, 2009 at 03:36 PM

What does this has to do with the Sox outbidding the Yanks doe Dice-K? Sox haven't even been mention to be interested.

"If the Sox are going to dump the farm on a team for a player I would much rather Buccholz be in the NL West and have AG v. V-Mart."

I disagree completely. Gonzalez would look great, but Martinez solves two problems - behind the plat when Tek cant go, and at 1st otherwise. A 1/2 time catcher + 1/2 time 1B with that kind of bat is much more valuable then a straight 1B.

"If the Sox are going to dump the farm on a team for a player I would much rather Buccholz be in the NL West and have AG v. V-Mart."

I disagree completely. Gonzalez would look great, but Martinez solves two problems - behind the plat when Tek cant go, and at 1st otherwise. A 1/2 time catcher + 1/2 time 1B with that kind of bat is much more valuable then a straight 1B.

Posted by: SuzysMan | July 03, 2009 at 04:13 PM
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Half Agree. I agree that VMART would be more valuable but seriously look at AG's numbers. the red sox could sign him to a long term deal and then go after Mauer when he is a FA. Mauer > VMART

The Giants should put together a package around Tim Alderson for V-Mart

maybe Tim Alderson, Jesus Guzman, and Daryl Maday for V-Mart

I think thats a good deal as the Indians get a future ace, a good power hitter who is perfectly suited to be a DH in the majors and is major league ready. and another above average pitcher prospect who is almost major league ready

Half Agree. I agree that VMART would be more valuable but seriously look at AG's numbers. the red sox could sign him to a long term deal and then go after Mauer when he is a FA. Mauer > VMART

Posted by: Kulaid33gobrs | July 03, 2009 at 05:20 PM
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And you're assuming Gonzo extends with the Sox because.....what, he likes clam chowder? Why would be not want to hit the open market when every team under the sun can bid for him? I think the Angels would throw a blank check his way.

The Giants should put together a package around Tim Alderson for V-Mart

maybe Tim Alderson, Jesus Guzman, and Daryl Maday for V-Mart

I think thats a good deal as the Indians get a future ace, a good power hitter who is perfectly suited to be a DH in the majors and is major league ready. and another above average pitcher prospect who is almost major league ready

Posted by: Bleacher_bum_SF | July 03, 2009 at 06:39 PM
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I mentioned this before a few weeks ago. A deal centered around Anderson or Bumgarner would be a good one for Cleveland. Maybe throw in Villanueva as well.

And you're assuming Gonzo extends with the Sox because.....what, he likes clam chowder? Why would be not want to hit the open market when every team under the sun can bid for him? I think the Angels would throw a blank check his way.


Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | July 03, 2009 at 07:25 PM
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And you dont think that the red sox would throw a blank check at him??

Kulaid: A lot of teams would throw a blank check at him. My point if that you can't trade a huge prospect load for a guy who may or may not want to be extended. Huge risk unless he agrees to sign an extention prior to the trade and quite honestly, unless he has a love for Boston then I don't see why he wouldn't allow himself to hit the open market. And for the record I don't thinkt the Yanks would be interested so I'm not infering the Yanks would be in on him.

"What does this has to do with the Sox outbidding the Yanks doe Dice-K? Sox haven't even been mention to be interested."

Quite true. If the Red Sox haven't leaked it to the press, you can rest assured they have no interest in a lefty with a 100 MPH fastball.

Does anyone in baseball have to "leak" interest in a 21 year old lefty who throwa 100 mph. I think the Traverse City Beach Bums of the Fronteir League would be interested in signing him...haha

What makes anyone think Victor Martinez is going anywhere? Cliff Lee is a maybe, but that is only if the Indians get an overwhelming offer for him.

"The Giants should put together a package around Tim Alderson for V-Mart

maybe Tim Alderson, Jesus Guzman, and Daryl Maday for V-Mart."


Well, let's look at this idea more closely...

1. VMart is under contract through this year with an option for 2010. At the end of this year, he'll have 6 years and change(114 days) of MLB service time, so if his option is declined, he will qualify for regular free agency as well. His option isn't terribly expensive, but maybe a team who trades for him would want to re-negotiate a long-term contract?

2. The Giants are particularly interesting, as they have Bengie Molina, who will be a free agent at season's end, and Buster Posey, the next great up and coming catching prospect. Getting Martinez would *seemingly* block Posey, but since Martinez has played 1B for the Indians, they could use him in the same dual role(he just couldn't DH).

3. And with 1B Travis Ishikawa not doing much, maybe the Indians do make this trade and use Martinez at 1B for the rest of this season. Then, they pick up his option for 2010 this offseason, wave bye-bye to Molina and collect draft picks, and hold onto Ishikawa--then, Posey and Martinez share catching duties in 2010, with Martinez as the mentor. Martinez and Ishikawa can split 1B duties in 2010 as well.

So, yeah, that's a great idea--I just think they're giving up too much in Alderson, but the Indians would probably demand him, and the Giants would be pleased to keep Bumgarner and Posey and still contend this year, so I think it might work! :)

{The only downside to this hypothetical scenario would be that in 2010, Pablo Sandoval would probably not see much time at catcher, which would disappoint 2011 fantasy baseball players everywhere!) :D

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