Jays And Reds Talked; No Rolen Deal Likely

the Jays would be very wise to make that deal straight up asap

I think Rolen would make a major difference.

1. Rolen would be a massive improvement over EE or anyone else that has played 3B this year for the Reds defensively.

2. If Rolen is truly healthy he's comparable to EE offensively and likely far more consistent day to day.

3. Rolen would provide a veteran leadership that the current team is missing

4. EE requires far more hand holding then I feel he is worth. Tired of waiting on him to realize his talent.

I would definately deal EE for Rolen straight up and would kick in a second player if Toronto picked up some of the cash due to Rolen.

Shame the Jays incredible run ran out a couple weeks ago. Now all these people here are going to be trying to pick the bones (for nothing of course) and Jays fans like 92-93 and several others here that are the true base will just have to watch in amazement and disgust at the wild offers that have -0- chance of ever happening get posted..

Ryan is gone (thank goodness) hope that Jays can hang onto Halladay and just let the rotation get healthy for next year, then Snider will have a fresh start again. Jays showed early they can compete.

Trade of Rolen maybe, Jays can extort a huge bounty, but only him and reload for next year.

How long are people going to keep pretending that Edwin Encarnacion is a 3B?

Would be a nice pickup for the Reds if they could swing it. Helps them this year and next, especially defensively. Jays are clearly in sell mode so might as well get what you can. Alot will depend on what/if the jays pick up some salary. If the Jays dont pick up salary, Encarnacion straight up seems like a fair exchange.

"This would put Bonafacio on the bench where he belongs as a utility player and pinch runner."

I agree. Bonafacio has been an absolute disaster as a 3B for the Fish. His glove, bat (singles only from a power position) and speed that is good for running the bases, yet slow take offs for stealing bases makes him a real liability on this Fish team, unfortunately the Fish have Amezaga, one of the (usually) better utility players around as a utility guy, which makes Bonafacio pretty much 100% useless for the Fish period.

Any Rolen deal for the Jays should be about unloading the $16.5 mil remaining on his contract, not getting to greedy about the talent they would receive. If they could get Encarnacion as a stop-gap 3b and a AAA pitcher, be happy.

Also, Cito Gaston is an excellent, excellent hitting instructor and he might be able to fix EE's inconsistent bat.

"How could the Marlins take on that salary?? Bonafacio should be on the bench even if they dont get anyone else."

Fish do take on salary when they havae a chance like thisy year and always have in the past, they just always dump it after the season is over, regardless of whether they win or not.

I am one of the few people here that probably watch them continually and trust me.. They can smell that NL East and will take on salary this year and after this season, will dump it, along with Uggla and probably Cantu as well, they just have no fan base.

Where is my hat tip on this one? I know I didnt have a link but I was first to even point MLBTR in the direction of looking for confirmation on this story.

Give a brotha his props,, Hatas

EE straight up for Rolen sounds about right. If the Reds are taking on that kind of salary there is no reason to give up prospects too.

Sorry for the Triple post not sure what happened.

Never will understand the love for Type Pad

The Fish are not going to want to take on Rolen's salary and the Blue Jays aren't going to want to pay him to play elsewhere.

Thanks for the shoutout, johns.

It's funny that the team Rolen makes the most sense for right now is the Cardinals. Too bad you burned that bridge La Russa.

I'd be surprised if Rolen got traded before a Halladay trade, because right now the Jays have a very strong team in 2010, and there's no sense in only breaking a part of it up.

"The Reds' season is over. Votto's month-long sabbatical essentially killed their season. They were 26-20 when Votto went on the DL for stress and now they are 41-43 and going nowhere fast. Thanks Joey!"

We are approaching halfway through the season and near .500 - I'd say that's pretty good for a team that finished as badly as they did last year.

Blaming the Reds losing on Votto is not even worth arguing. Is it Votto's fault the team averages 3 runs per game? Is it Votto's fault Jay Bruce is batting .200? Is it Votto's fault that the team's BA with RISP is about .200? No...none of the above.

This is a team, not a one man wrecking crew. Even Albert Pujols couldn't make this team better than what it is. It's a team effort. Everyone needs to get their butts in gear and have a better second half.

forget Rolen... I wanna know what it would take to get Rios from the Jays...