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  • Rob Neyer has a must-read piece about the Astros refusing to give Manny Acta a three-year contract offer. As Neyer writes, "If you think it's silly to give a manager a three-year contract but don't mind throwing $100 million of your ill-gotten gains at Carlos Lee, you probably need to have your head examined (though of course something similar might be said of half the owners in the majors)."
  • MLB.com A's beat reporter Mychael Urban explains why Oakland dealt Matt Holliday, Jason Giambi and Orlando Cabrera- but kept Nomar Garciaparra around.
  • Toronto added a pair of senior baseball men, both named Mel, to the front office.


Comments

I don't get how suddenly Manny Acta is a hot commodity. Sure, he didn't exactly have much to work with in Washington, but at the same time, there weren't much in the way of glowing reports about his ability to manage people and a ball game coming out of Washington. I have my own thoughts around how valuable a manager is, so while I guess it remains to be seen whether the Astros are better off in the long run without him, if this means a return to Phil Garner, maybe the Astros eventually regret not going three years.

I do not get why every one always critices the Carlos Lee deal. $100 million over 6 years is not a ton of money and Lee has been extremly productive. Now if you want to talk about bad contracts Alfonso Soriano, Oliver Perez, and Vernon Wells come to mind.

I will never understand the knock on Carlos Lee's contract. Is it huge? Of course it is, $100,000,000.00 is a lot of money any way you slice it. But the guy's lived up to it in my - and a lot of other Astros fans’ - opinion: 1) He's an RBI machine. The guy's had 100+ RBIs every season since 2003, with the exception of 2004, when he had a measly 99 (oh the dreadful production!). Even this season, when guys were having trouble getting on base in front of him, and Berkman was "ssssstttrrruuuuggelling", he still managed to drive in 102 runs. 2) He's also started in 150 games since 2003, with the exception of 2008 when Arroyo broke his hand and he had to sit out the last month or so of the season. Now that's durability.

As long as guys like Johan Santana are raking in $23,000,000.00 a year to average a little over 6 innings per start, or K-Rod makes $180,000.00 per inning he pitched in 2009, I don't see the problem with Lee's contract. At least Lee plays just about every day (not every 5th), and does what he was paid to do (not go 35 for 42 in SVO).

Hahahaha! Kudos, metfan57. Your post came up after I hit the "submit" button on mine.

Sorry 'bout dogging on Johan and K-Rod's contracts, it's nothing personal.

Considering RBIs are an outdated statistic that has never been a good way to judge a player, that matters little to his production.

Lee's defense is TERRIBLE, he has no speed because he's so fat, and he hits into tons of GIDPs, and his hitting is overrated because his walk rate sucks. It's a textbook "bad contract".

According to FanGraphs, Lee has been worth $13 million per year on average. As he gets older and fatter, his performance will decline in all regards. These final years of his contract, don't be surprised if his value is about half of what he's being paid.

He's not a bad player, but that doesn't mean the contract is anywhere close to being good.

At the time of the extension, I understood the contract given to Johan. A guy that keep's his era below 3.00, his K rating above 7, and can log 200+ innings per season doesn't come cheap. His injury is just a minor setback, and he should be able to continue to prove he is worth that money in 2010.

Also, nobody was struggling to get on base in front of Lee this season. Michael Bourn: .354 OBP. Miguel Tejada: .340 OBP. Lance Berkman: .399 OBP.

"Also, nobody was struggling to get on base in front of Lee this season. Michael Bourn: .354 OBP. Miguel Tejada: .340 OBP. Lance Berkman: .399 OBP.

Posted by: Christian Seehausen | October 26, 2009 at 07:16 PM"

Not exactly good outside of Berkman.. How many walks did Tejada have? 20?

lee has been worth every penny. i would rather have a defensive liabillity in the outfield rather than a guy like carlos gomez. yeah hell catch everything but it doesnt mean anything if you cant get on base and produce offensivly

"Considering RBIs are an outdated statistic that has never been a good way to judge a player..." Really?
Last time I checked, you win ball games when your "Runs" column has a higher number than your opponent’s. Therefore, you will need someone to put numbers in that "R" column. Coincidentally, "R" is also the first letter in the statistic titled "RBI". So I'd say it's a pretty significant statistic, especially when others on the team are having a hard time doing the same.
Although I value defense, you don't put points on the board for a player's UZR.
Tejada hit into more double plays than anyone else in the NL this year...yes, even more than Carlos Lee. He also got 199 hits this season and started almost every game (158), which is quite the OBP booster - especially for a guy who hardly draws a walk. Berkman's OBP is thanks entirely to his second half, where as Lee was productive all season.
And yes, we all know Carlos Lee will never win a Gold Glove; that’s not why the Astros signed him. You don’t need a Gold Glove caliber defensive player in left field when your left field wall is only 315 feet away, and you have Michael Bourn backing you up in left-center.
The Astros signed Carlos Lee to drive in runs, and stand there in left field with a glove on his hand; he has done just that since day one.

The A's dealt their RBI men to continue their cycle of futility: Develop young talent until it's time to pay up, trade now established star for young talent. Rinse and repeat.

I don't know how any A's fans can stay so as their rosters are constantly redone every few years.

Anybody who thinks RBIs are a significant stat needs to do some reading on the subject matter; the fact is that they are too influenced by outside factors and don't demonstrate well the overall ability of a batter to PRODUCE runs. Or, to put it another way--except for the home run ball, an RBI is entirely dependent on somebody being on base, which has nothing to do with the skill of the batter.

By the way, if you think an average of .364 OBP in the 1-3 hitters is bad, you must be either really ignorant or a Yankees fan.

Anybody who doesn't think RBIs are significant needs to comprehend the value of consistent hitting in clutch situations. The ability to come up with a hit when the opportunity to score presents itself is HUGE - it's how you win ball games. Too say it's dependent on somebody being on base would suggest that the hitter isn't consistent in any other hitting situation; a .300+ batting average says otherwise.

I know that collecting a lot of RBIs each season has a lot to do with where the player is in the batting order, but you also have to consider the fact that he wouldn't there if he wasn't a consistently good hitter.

The fact is this: Carlos Lee is paid $16.7 MM each year to play mediocre defense in a short porch LF, and drive in runs. Check, and check.

So is Ryan Howard overpaid then? His walk rate is terrible and according to you, RBIs don't mean anything because they are dependent on the guys in front of him...

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