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Trades Of The Decade: Griffey To The Reds

When the Mariners traded away the best player in the game a month into the new millennium, they didn't appear to have obtained much in return. They gave up Ken Griffey Jr.: an All-Star and Gold Glove winner every year of the 1990s and a member of the All-Century team.

At the time, Jake Meyer, Antonio Perez, Brett Tomko and Mike Cameron didn't seem like enough of a haul for Griffey. In the days following the trade, Michael Knisley of the Sporting News wrote that the Mariners "got fleeced last week more completely than Bo Peep's lost sheep at shearing time. For Junior Griffey, the man most likely to break Hank Aaron's all-time home run record, the game's most perfect all-around player in the prime of his career, the Reds gave Seattle ... bits and pieces, drips and drabs of major leaguers and wanna-bes."

But Mariners GM Pat Gillick was cornered because Griffey became restless and demanded a trade in November of 1999. He had just one year and $8.25MM left on his contract, so many teams had interest, but Griffey's ten and five rights allowed him to veto any deal. 

Sports Illustrated reported that Griffey gave Gillick a list of four teams to which he would accept a trade: the Braves, Astros, Mets and Reds. The Mariners were trapped; their star wanted a trade, but the team's leverage was disappearing quickly.

 "It was not," Gillick said, "an ideal situation in which to negotiate."

Months of trade talks ensued between Reds GM Jim Bowden and Gillick. The Reds wanted to keep Pokey Reese and Sean Casey. The Mariners wanted a package that would provide depth in case Alex Rodriguez left as a free agent after the season.

Ultimately, the Reds acquired Griffey for Cameron, Tomko, Perez and Meyer. They promptly signed Junior to a nine-year $116.5MM deal. Lots of money, but SI's Tom Verducci said Griffey signed for about half his market value - the M's had apparently offered $138MM over eight years the summer before.

Griffey missed significant parts of the 2001-06 seasons with a variety of injuries. Whether it was his hamstring, his calf or his wrist, Griffey always seemed to be on the DL. He hit his 400th, 500th and 600th homers in a Reds uniform, but he didn't live up to the other-worldly standards he'd established in Seattle.

Cameron played at least 147 games for the Mariners in each of the four seasons after the trade, putting up a .798 OPS and winning a pair of Gold Gloves. Tomko never became an impact player for the Mariners and neither Perez nor Meyer actually played a game for the club, but that didn't stop Seattle from winning.

The Mariners made it to the ALCS in 2000 and again a year later after the club's historic 116-win campaign. Ten offseasons ago it looked like a great deal for Cincinnati, but Griffey never led the Reds to the playoffs and the club hasn't had a winning season since 2000.  A possible silver lining: the Reds received pitcher Nick Masset in the deadline deal last year that sent Griffey to the White Sox.  Masset had a fine year in '09 and could be the Reds' closer of the future.


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I lived in Cincinnati at the time he got dealt there. I really wish it could have worked out better great guy just got unlucky with injuries. He will always have my favorite swing in baseball.

Anyone have any knowledge of what the Braves, Astros, and Mets offered? I'd be really interested in comparing offers with the power of hindsight.

If I remember correctly, the Mets and M's had a done deal that Griffey rejected. It was something like:
Roger Cedeno, Armando Benitez, Dennis Cook and Octavio Dotel for Griffey. After they got rejected by Griffey they turned around and traded Cedeno and Dotel for Hampton.

The M's asked the Braves for Andruw Jones, Kevin Millwood, and Ryan Klesko. Braves said no thanks, hung up, and declared themself out of the hunt.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/12/sports/baseball-notebook-as-braves-learn-price-for-griffey-is-steep.html

Junior apparently vetoed a trade to the Mets that would have been for Armando Benitez, Octavio Dotel, and Roger Cedeno:

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/121599/spo_1215990047.shtml

I'm having difficulty finding any specific mention of an Astros offer.

What might have been if Griffey stayed healthy ?
He'd more than likely be holding on to the career HR record.

As we all know, there was no "Year Zero", so the Mariners actually traded Griffey a month into the last year of the last millennium.

"What might have been if Griffey stayed healthy ?"

Probably accused by Canseco of being on steroids... joke, sort of, Canseco's a jerk. If he did turn out to be the second coming of Ruth, I don't see anything changing in Cincinnati. Their problem was always a lack of good pitching. But there would the great "would you rather have Junior or Albert?" debate.

"What might have been if Griffey stayed healthy ?"

Probably accused by Canseco of being on steroids... joke, sort of, Canseco's a jerk. If he did turn out to be the second coming of Ruth, I don't see anything changing in Cincinnati. Their problem was always a lack of good pitching. But there would the great "would you rather have Junior or Albert?" debate.

Posted by: start_wearing_purple | October 26, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Ok well, if Griffey WAS healthy every year, we have no way of knowing what would have happened. If Griffey was a premier slugger while on the reds (he wasnt) then maybe Casey, Kearns, Pena, or Dunn would have been better as well.

He would have the most HR in a career record. and possibly more FA would actually go to cincinnati

The Rangers traded Masset and John Danks to the White Sox for Brandon McCarthey. Good Job Rangers

I lived in Cincinnati at the time he got dealt there. I really wish it could have worked out better great guy just got unlucky with injuries. He will always have my favorite swing in baseball.

Posted by: redsox22 | October 26, 2009 at 11:02 AM
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+1

Sweetest swing in baseball.

Though there was certainly plenty of sentiment that Junior was the "best player in the game", I'm fairly sure he was being routinely outproduced by Bonds throughout the '90's.

In any event, as a Reds fan, the Griffey trade was almost surreal event. It's sad the Reds ownership group was unwilling to spend anything else, particularly on pitching, to take advantage of the momentum his acquisition (and the '99 season) generated.

They completely failed to leverage the launch of GABP. Then Griffey kept getting injured and the Reds kept refusing to move him to RF even though it was abundantly clear he needed to move - making a bad situation worse.

It will be interesting to do a historical analysis that looks at the value each team realized from the deal.

Why did he agree to go to Cincy? Just curious. What was it about their team and the National League he so valued?

It seems to me that Griffey wanted to stay out of the spotlight and chose a smaller market club for that very reason. I wonder if he was content to become nearly invisible after that trade.

Why did he agree to go to Cincy? Just curious. What was it about their team and the National League he so valued?

It seems to me that Griffey wanted to stay out of the spotlight and chose a smaller market club for that very reason. I wonder if he was content to become nearly invisible after that trade.

Griffey preferred Cincy because his Dad (Ken Sr.) played most of his career there and that's where Jr. grew up.

He also prefered teams that had spring training in Florida (he lives in Orlando).

Griffey just wanted to go home. He grew up in Cincinnati and played high school there.

Though there was certainly plenty of sentiment that Junior was the "best player in the game", I'm fairly sure he was being routinely outproduced by Bonds throughout the '90's.

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Bonds
1434 games, 1091 runs, 1478 hits, 361 hr, 1076 rbi, 343 sb, 1146 bb, 747 so, .302 ba, .602 slg, 1.036 ops

Griffey
1408 games, 1002 runs, 1622 hits, 382 hr, 1091 rbi, 151 sb, 703 bb, .302 ba, .581 slg, .965 ops

those are their numbers in the 90's. doesn't look like either one was significantly better than the other to me. keep in mind bonds is 5 years jr's senior. bonds was in his prime in 1990 while jr was 20 y/o and in only his second year. do i dare even wonder when during that time bonds started injecting? that time frame will be merely speculation.

Don't forget Griffey's 901 K's. Or Bonds .432 OBP to Griffey's .384 OBP.

Though you are correct he was not significantly better. Just a little!

Also, Griffey in the 90s was a better Defensive player at a tougher position than Bonds.

Bonds probably started juicing in 2001. That year he hit 24 more home runs than he'd ever hit in his career, and his slugging jumped 175 points. He could have started the year before, where hit 49 home runs, which was a career best at the time, although a less substantial jump. Odds are he started in 2001, the year after McGwire and Sosa went crazy with the juice, to prove he was the superior ballplayer, which he was.

McGriff to Atlanta...the night the press box caught fire!

Turned out to be a horrible trade for the Reds IMO (even if he had stayed healthy).

It definitely helped sell tickets for a while but it also cash strapped Bowden/Schott/Lindner to the point where they couldn't sign any decent SP'er. They had some of the worst SP'ers in the bigs during this past decade.

Neagle, Villone, Harnisch, Bell, Parris, Dessens, Reitsma, Hamilton, Davis, Acevedo, Haynes, Fernandez, Hudson, Bale, Dumatrait, Fogg, Ortiz, Williams, Wilson, Hancock, Anderson, Etherton, Auston, Hall, Moehler, Estes, Reith, Ramirez, Claussen, Haynes, Belisle.

Take out Harang and Arroyo (who they traded for when they were cheap) there was no one. The few times they did find cash to spend on SP'ers they got burned badly...Milton, Dempster, etc.

Does anyone else get a chuckle out of the fact that despite holding the team hostage and getting exactly what he thought he wanted, the next two years the M's went to the brink of the World Series and Griffey faded away? karma

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