Discussion: J.J. Putz

Rays. Figure a one year contract, incentives for games finished (I believe that is permitted, didn't Gagne have that?). Maybe a fairly expensive club option.

No guarantee he will ultimately be the closer, let him come in and win the job.

I could see the Braves at least checking in on Putz. Slot him in as the 7th/8th guy and if it looks like Putz may have his old form back, get him in at closer. Certainly don't sign him thinking that he will inherit the 9th inning though.

jakec,

Putz's last contract actually included incentives for games finished. Could definitely see that happening again, particularly if he signs with a team that will want him to close (or at least want him to compete for the closer's job).

Putz is also from the Detroit area. The Tigers were trying to land him last year in a three way deal involving the Rays, before the Mets and Injuns stepped in with a better package for the Mariners. Good thing, because the Tigers then turned around and swung a one for one swap, Matt Joyce for Edwin Jackson.
The Tigers should definitely offer arbitration to Rodney and Lyon (and Polanco). If either one was to leave, Putz would be a decent option. He was one of the best closers in the game in 2007. Relying only on him with his health status is risky. No way Zumaya and Perry are sufficient, if they want to contend for a division title.

Rays or Tigers

I love it when silly 12 year old Mets fans make their entire organization look like it's run by slack-jawed morons...

..... Oh wait.

Fawk up braves fan, he will sign a incentive laden deal with the NY Mets. Aight? You poor Braves go stick peter moylan up ur ass

Posted by: MetsRulez786 | November 07, 2009 at 06:27 PM

Damn, that's harsh language for a guy who knows as much about what's gonna happen as anyone else here.

I could see him signing an incentive-laden deal with either the Braves, Mets, or Phillies, and that's just in the NL East. Lots of teams need bullpen help, and he might actually be overpaid by someone this year.

I would like the mets to bring him back, he was effective early in the seaoson when he was healthy. now that he got surgery he may rebound next season.

jakec,

If the Braves got Putz (and thats a HUGE if). He'd most likely close. Assuming he doesn't lose the job.

Oh dear. I'm sorry Mets fans for having to associate with some of the 12 yr old wack jobs that populate this site.

Who knows if he will even be effective when or if he comes back healthy. Relievers are the most fickle players.

If Putz wants a chance to win while reestablishing his value the Yankees have need of a right handed setup guy. With Bruney ineffective and Hughes to the rotation he could do a lot worse.

this sounds like the perfect reclamation project for don cooper.

Another funny read here. JJ Putz takes home a prestigious award....

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/11/6/1119702/2009-mets-gansta-and-grisson-awards#storyjump

Please don't feed the trolls.

I would much, much rather be Braves fan than a Mets fan. You talk about not being better than the Marlins, but where were the Mets? The only competition they had was with the Nats. For last place.

Anyways, Putz makes sense for ATL. Bring back one of Soriano/Gonzo, sign Putz, and let one of em close.

I think his goal is to be a closer again, but not until 2011, if necessary. He may be willing to take a 1-year deal to be in a set-up role or a closing timeshare to prove his health.

The Cubs could benefit from having him in the 8th before Marmol, and if Marmol struggles, there would be a proven closer available. They have a lot of young arms (Stevens, Caridad, Berg, Patton) that they may be depending on, so he could be a fit there.

After them, there's the Tigers (closer timeshare with a returning Lyon?) the Rays (perhaps sharing with Howell, if needed), the Red Sox (if they moved Papelbon, he could split time with Bard), the Braves (with Soriano and Gonzalez gone, there's a spot), and basically any team without an established 8-9 duo.

MR786, lay off the booze. You are being a disgrace for the whole Met fan-base.

Yes, Peter Schmuck and Roch Kubatko. So you can be stuck between a Roch and a Schmuck. . .

MR786, thank you for proving my point. Must you make yourself look like a fool to try and build your own self-esteem? I'm sure a man of your brain capacity has lost his job a long time ago. Aren't you suppose to be using the Internet in the library for finding a job; not making yourself look like a fool?

"not sure, but this is fun."

Tell me about it, I had that kinda fun a few nights ago. It just made me laugh every time that kid typed "screw you." I figure it this way, teenagers with nothing to do on a Saturday night... see where my comments are going.

Putz should be a poor man's Billy Wagner this year. I think I agree that the Braves, Rays, and Tigers are all good potential fits.

"Putz should be a poor man's Billy Wagner this year."

Kinda brings up an interesting question. Both Wagner and Putz are coming off of injuries but Putz is much younger and Wags proved he could be healthy. Which one would you prefer to see closing games (or being set up man) for your team in 2010?

"It's humorous how people believe insults, in replace of stats/facts, can make their arguments stronger."

You don't watch much CNN do you? Heh, my roomie watches politics all the time, all I hear on the tubs are misleading facts or insults.

I think you go for Putz for low risk/high upside. Wagner has leverage in that, if he doesn't get what he deems to be a respectful contract offer, he'll just ride off into the sunset. You go Wagner if you want the proven talent and are willing to pony up more guaranteed money.

Putz has something to prove, I think, partly because of his age. Both, when healthy, are very nasty pitchers.

I like Colbert personally. At least the politics, lack of facts, and insults are meant as a farce.

Prepare for a bit of a rant here, people. ha I don't even know who would be reading or commenting, but here goes:

Personally, I think both Putz AND Wagner would be awesome in the back end of the rotation. I believe we can all agree on that. Though both of them being closers, it'd be hard to convince BOTH of them to sign on. I would LOVE to see Putz in the 7th/8th inning with Wagner closing games, but that's only if Putz is willing to set up/spot close when Wagner has pitched on 2 consecutive days already. They could both probably be had on low base/high incentive 2 year deals with a 3rd year option, (though, realistically a 1 year deal with a 2nd year option for Wagner. He only wants the saves milestone and he might walk after the season).

Offering arbitration to both Soriano and Gonzo would be the obvious choice. Even if only one of them (probably Gonzo) accepts you'll have a bullpen headlined by Soriano or Gonzo, Moylan, Wagner and/or Putz, O'Flaherty and (barring any setbacks) Proctor. No, Proctor isn't the answer to our prayers, but he's solid when healthy. I've always liked him.

It's been said that the Braves will probably "go cheap" on the bullpen so that what cash they DO have this winter can be spent on position players. Horrible idea, in my opinion. I believe the lineup is more set than people give it credit for. We shouldn't waste our time and assets going after Bay or Holliday. They would only put a potential wet blanket on the future of the outfield; which is McLouth in Left (perhaps replaced by the ridiculously powerful Cody Johnson in a couple years), Schafer in Center and Heyward in Right, the way I see it (as do many others). Do any of you honestly believe that the Braves can contend contractually with the likes of the Red Sox and Yankees?

For now I say spend money on the bullpen, ESPECIALLY if we lose BOTH Gonzo and Soriano. Neither was rock solid this past year, but together they were a huge part of the team. Everyone wants to "free up payroll" by trading Lowe, Vazquez or Kawakami... Apparently we have a lot of delusional fans out there. If we can find a trade partner for Lowe it will have to be for someone with another "bad" contract like Gary Matthews Jr (who I honestly would dig in Center until Schafer rehabs and spends more time in the minors). Even then we'll have to even out the dollar amounts per year and probably pick up half of Lowe's salary in 2012. Same goes for Milton Bradley, but I truly hope we don't end up with him.

I digress... I say we see how Vazquez pitches in 2010. If he's pitching the same way he did in 2009 by June or so, then ferociously go after him with extension offers. As for Kawakami, he gets a lot of crap for not being nearly what we thought he would be this year. Give the guy a break. For a guy changing countries/leagues/etc, I don't think he did that badly. He had some really REALLY good starts and I believe was victimized by a shaky offense most of the time. Yeah, he got ROCKED in a couple starts, but 4 out of 5 times he kept the Braves in the game for 6 innings or so, usually losing by a run or 2. He should have at least broken even record-wise. It goes without saying that Vazquez and Jurrjens suffered the same fate. They both deserved Cy Young considerations, but got screwed by the same constantly shaky and streaky offense. Kawakami will be better in 2010 and I think as a long reliever/spot starter he could have a really good couple of seasons ahead of him. As it is I'm stoked about the projected 2010 rotation... Vazquez, Jurrjens, Hanson, Hudson and Kawakami/Lowe/Medlen/etc. I'd like to see both Hudson and Vazquez stick around for the next 3 years or so. We'll have to see.

Does this make any sense to anyone but me? I know this has been really long winded, but I have a lot to say on the subject (apparently). I also have a few ideas on what to do with the lineup, but I won't go into that right now. If this made sense and is considered rational thinking by anyone other than MetsRulez786, give me your input.

""Peter Moylan had a 0.00 ERA and 5 hits in 7.1 IP against the Mets this season."

Yes because we all know that's a stat that will hold over time. Look the guy you're arguing with is a jerk, but at least back yourself up with good arguments."

Very well.

For his career, Peter Moylan has a 1-0 record with a 0.74 ERA, a 0.86 WHIP, and a .157 BAA in 24.1 IP facing the Mets. He also had better peripheral stats in 2009 than any relief pitcher on the Mets staff (except for saves, of course).

Better?

How about the fact he Moylan didnt give up a HR all season....not a bad stat

Purple: Completely understandable. I'm just as much a stathead as the next fan.

FlaBravesFan: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the last home run he gave up was Opening Day 2008. Slightly deceiving considering he missed most of '08, but still extends what is already a very impressive achievement.

But back to the subject at hand, no?

When do you think Putz will actually be signed? Does he wait for some of the bigger names to be picked up and see how the market plays out, or does a budget-conscious team snap him up early in hopes of realizing his potential while paying less for a bigger name?

I'd also prefer the Braves spend on the bullpen rather than the OF. Especially is they re-sign LaRoche. I'd be fine with letting both Soriano & Mike G. walk & just replacing them with 1 late innings guy. Billy Wagner would be great if the Sox don't offer him arbitration.....don't have a lot of confidence in Putz though...

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I think Baltimore will make a move for him. They need a closer after trading Sherrill and JJ didn't look good in it.