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Discussion: Xavier Nady

When the Yankees take the field in Game Six of the World Series tonight, their Opening Day right fielder won't be joining them. Instead, Xavier Nady will be sitting in the dugout, unable to play because of an elbow injury that ended his season in April.

The former Padres' second-round pick came to the plate just 29 times this year before hearing a pop in his throwing elbow. Nady hoped to avoid surgery and went with the rehab approach instead, but he blew out his elbow for good in a late-June rehab game. He underwent his second Tommy John surgery soon thereafter.

Elbow ligament replacement surgery can shelve a pitcher for 12-18 months, but position players could return within 6-9 months. Shin-Soo Choo, for example, underwent Tommy John surgery in September 2007 and was back in the outfield for Cleveland in May of 2008. However, because this is Nady's second time having the procedure, there could be unforseen complications.

Despite missing just about the entire 2009 season, Nady still projects to qualify as a Type-B free agent. He made $6.55MM in his final year of arbitration eligibility this year, and Scott Boras usually takes his clients to free agency. Several teams are going to be looking for right handed pop, including the Braves, so if Nady's elbow is sound there figures to be plenty of suitors.

Of course, any deal would be dependent on his elbow checking out. Assuming it does, what kind of contract do you think Nady could receive this offseason? He's hit .289/.342/.480 over the last four seasons (over 1,600 plate appearances), and will turn 31 in a little over a week. Can he get two or three guaranteed years in a market light on power hitting corner outfielders beyond Matt Holliday and Jason Bay?


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He'll get a deal. GMs covet this guy for some bizarre reason. Well, not really that bizarre, they just love scrappy white guys.

He just seems like a complete no brainer for the Giants... Right handed pop is what they need... he can play LF or RF (probably LF at AT&T)... he's cal product... and sabean likes to over pay... everybody wins

Perfect cheapish fit for the Braves who could play the OF or 1B.

Being a Bay Area native, I see the Giants as a legit suitor for him. The Giants would surely give him a three year deal. Sure up RF, then look to LF and 3B maybe?

I hope that the Braves don't seriously think that this guy is their answer to their need for a right handed power hitter. If this guy is all they get I will be really disappointed.

Dont see him getting a multi-year deal. Doesnt a 2nd TJS only have a 20% success rate? Even if he is healthy you cant make that committment to him before he shows he can still be productive

Why does everyone hate on this guy? He's raised his OPS every year of his career (09 excluded because of SSS/injury)

"He'll get a deal. GMs covet this guy for some bizarre reason. Well, not really that bizarre, they just love scrappy white guys.

Posted by: nut bunnies | November 04, 2009 at 03:00 PM"

HAHAAAHA I'm gonna call fetish on that one...

Nady doesn't have the power but he's been a really good hitter when healthy. The Braves simply don't have the money for Bay or Holliday, not unless the get rid of Lowe's salary somehow. I think a 2/$10mm for Nady is solid. I'm really hoping they can dump Lowe's salary and keep/resign Vasquez, or trade Vasquez for Derrick Lee. I think that move would accomplish two goals (1B and RH power), and then leave enough $ to resign Gonzo.

And Nady is not yet eligible to be a Giant, since he's < 35 years old and all.

"Why does everyone hate on this guy? He's raised his OPS every year of his career (09 excluded because of SSS/injury)

Posted by: PL | November 04, 2009 at 03:15 PM"

I dont know if people hate him.
But lgOPS from 06-08 was .779, .771, .756
Nady's OPS from 06-08 was .790, .805, .867 (fueled by a ridiculous hot 1st half for the Pirates).
So he's basically a little better than average player

Is there anyone on the current Giant roster over 32 besides renteria?

Don't let half of 08 fool you. The guy is basically a LA offensive player. Coming off injuries I wouldn't give him more than a couple million.

Nady doesn't have the power but he's been a really good hitter when healthy. The Braves simply don't have the money for Bay or Holliday, .....

Posted by: Jah | November 04, 2009 at 03:23 PM
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The problem is that the Braves already have a no power outfielder in Matt Diaz, who is better and healthier than Nady. The Braves don't need to spend precious dollars on an injury prone player like Nady. He had only had one really good year in his career.

Do understand the point that he is not the "Right-Handed Power Masher" we are seeking, but even if he was just above league average, that still makes him a vaulable asset for the braves potentially, as our OF production has been below average in the past few years.

With that being said, I think he would be a nice move for the braves to try out, but judging from last year's offseason, there is very little chance he could get a multi year deal, maybe a one year for 2010 with a mutual option for 2011.

I would love to add him into the mix, as the value of nady would definately be very good potentially, as he could produce 2 to 3 times what his contract will be. I am all up for a chance at him returning to form. If the braves do sign him, maybe they could sign him to play left against righties, and play a cheap-left handed option at first. Then, against lefties, move nady to first and let diaz play left. That probably is a far fetched idea, and has a good chance of not working, but just thinking outside the box.

My guess is that he doesn't return to the Yankees, i reckon the Giants will snap him up on a 2 year deal, too much risk of a big payout required on a 1yr contract if he comes back healthy and on form.

if the Braves can get nady and keep laroche their offense will be much improved. Esp, when you are also adding McLouth for the full season. Heyward will probably be ready sometime in June also

i can see him playin left for the reds if healthy 1 year at maybe 3 million with incentives that make it to 6 million?

How many people think he should be offered arbitration?

Jah,

Ur comment on age is about 2 yrs too late and is VERY played out...

Try looking at the roster again and come back...

3 million per year..no, no, this is a Scott Boras client, he will ask for 10 million per year!

humannature, I hope that was sarcasm. He missed the whole 09 season and was an average player before 2008.

2 years... 8.5 guaranteed... up to 13 with incentives... starting LF for YOUR san francisco giants... He'll hit .285 with 43 jacks, 192 RBI over the life of the deal... then sabean will sign him to a 3 year extension and he'll get hurt...

Abreu couldn't get a 2 year deal last year, how does Nady get 3 this year?

One with a Team Option, anymore than that and I'd be shocked.

TheAntiRecruiter - Nady is represented by Boras and has always carried some name recognition because he went straight to the majors. He is also a good defensive player, or at least as a reputation as such.

Nady makes sense in Fenway if they can sign Bay and you could actually get an interesting shift if anyone pays attention. Ellsbury to LF, Drew to CF (where is is about lgAVG and better than Jacoby) and Nady to RF. Nady can also play 1B when Youk shifts over to 3B to spell Lowell.

if healthy, Nady would be pursued by as many as a dozen teams, including the Giants,Braves,Cubs,Padres, Mets, Indians just to name a few. I don't see a guarantee multi year deal. perhaps a 1 year deal @5mil w/incentives and 2nd year option based on performance. If Nady is healthy, whoever acquires him is going to get a solid run producer and a team player.

I see a one yr deal in the 5 mil range up to 8 w/incentives. Seems if he has a good year then he can get a multiyear deal next offseason.

With him having been knifed in July and his market largely to be defined by how the Holliday-Bay sweepstakes go, he looks like a late sign either way. I don't see the signing team getting an insurance co to sign on, so a medical staff is going to need a real look.

The Giants' might have the idiot's advantage with their overzealous medical staff and Sabean's penchant for striking early on his targets.

However, didn't Nady have issues with Bochy back in SD?

For reference, a decently good list of TJ'ed players, which shows Nady has no real precedent on being a double-TJ position player:

Nick Adenhart
Brian Anderson [9]
Rick Ankiel [10] (converted to outfielder)
Andy Ashby [11]
Luis Ayala [12]
Brandon Backe [13]
Danys Baez [14]
Rocco Baldelli [15] (outfielder)
Rod Beck [16]
Erik Bedard [17]
Francis Beltran [18]
Jeff Bennett [19]
Kris Benson [20]
Adam Bernero [21]
Brent Billingsley [22]
Joe Borchard (outfielder)
Dewon Brazelton
Doug Brocail
Taylor Buchholz
Ambiorix Burgos
A. J. Burnett
Paul Byrd
Jorge Campillo
José Canseco (outfielder; injured while pitching)
Chris Capuano (twice)
Chris Carpenter
Rocky Cherry
Shin-Soo Choo (outfielder)
Todd Coffey
Ben Davis (catcher)
Manny Delcarmen
Ryan Dempster [20]
Chris Denorfia (outfielder)
Jorge DePaula
Brendan Donnelly
Octavio Dotel
Kyle Drabek
Darren Dreifort
Phil Dumatrait
Brian Duensing
Adam Eaton
Dave Eiland (twice)
Willie Eyre
Scott Feldman [23]
Jesse Foppert
Chad Fox (thrice)
John Franco
Frank Francisco
Éric Gagné [20]
Rusty Greer (outfielder)
Luis Gonzalez (outfielder)
Mike González
Tom Gordon [20]
Lee Gronkiewicz
Angel Guzman
Mike Hampton
Sean Henn
Pat Hentgen
Runelvys Hernández
Shawn Hill (twice)
Matt Holliday (outfielder)
Norris Hopper (outfielder)
Tim Hudson
Philip Humber
Todd Hundley (catcher)
César Izturis (infielder)
Jason Isringhausen
Tommy John
Kelly Johnson (infielder)
Josh Johnson
Steve Karsay
Jimmy Key
Josh Kinney
Billy Koch [20]
Bobby Korecky
Hong-Chih Kuo (twice)
Cory Lidle
Jon Lieber [20]
Jesse Litsch [24]
Mike Lincoln (twice)
Francisco Liriano
Rodrigo Lopez
Matt Mantei
Shaun Marcum
Scott Mathieson (twice)
Joe Mays
Seth McClung
Dustin McGowan
Sergio Mitre
Paul Molitor (infielder)
Matt Morris [20]
Peter Moylan
Xavier Nady (twice; outfielder)
Tim Naehring (infielder)
Pat Neshek
John Odom
Russ Ortiz
Josh Outman
Juan Padilla
Jarrod Parker
John Parrish
Carl Pavano
Scott Proctor
Bill Pulsipher
Chris Ray [14] [20]
Carlos Quentin (outfielder)
Britt Reames
Al Reyes
Arthur Rhodes
Jose Rijo (thrice)
Matt Riley (thrice)
Ricardo Rincón
Mariano Rivera
Fernando Rodney
Kenny Rogers
Francisco Rosario
B. J. Ryan
Ángel Sánchez [25] (infielder)
Aníbal Sánchez
Humberto Sánchez
Scott Schoeneweis
Jae Seo
Alfredo Simon
John Smoltz [20]
Kyle Snyder
Joakim Soria
Rafael Soriano
Tim Spooneybarger
Denny Stark (twice)
Clete Thomas (outfielder)
Brian Tollberg
Merkin Valdez
Rick van den Hurk
Edinson Volquez
Billy Wagner
Paul Wagner
Tyler Walker
David Wells
Jake Westbrook
Scott Williamson
Brian Wilson
Vance Wilson (twice; catcher)
Mark Wohlers
Randy Wolf
Kerry Wood [20]
Jaret Wright
Tyler Yates (twice)
Matt Young
Mike Zagurski
Víctor Zambrano (twice)
Jeff Zimmerman (twice)
Jordan Zimmermann

I mean Nady could be a nice addition to the Braves however i would prefer them get someone with a little more pop simply because i dont see Nady as a true cleanup hitter. More like a #6 hitter.

I mean can you really see people pitching to Chip because they dont wanna face Nady? If anything they will pitch around Chip to get to Nady.

I mean he would be a nice addition however i believe Diaz could honestly produce at that level. Looking at Diaz's HR rate he hits them at about the same rate as McCann putting him around 20 HRs on a full season. Not to mention he hits for an average around .300

If they do go after Nady i suspect they will get rid of Church since they will both prob cost the same amount. Then play Nady in RF, McLouth in CF, and Diaz in LF. If Heyward is on his way up whoever is playing better out of Nady and Diaz will be the Left Fielder.

If Heyward is crushing then you will see Diaz/Nady traded over waivers prob in September.

What will really make it interesting is if Schafer is crushing in AAA. Might see McLouth traded then just because I'm sure they will want to keep a RH Batter in the OF.

I'm sure if we get Nady we have a higher chance of retaining LaRoche meaning we could field this lineup

Diaz LF
McLouth CF
Chip 3B
Nady RF
McCann C
Escobar SS
LaRoche 1B
Prado 2B

I am hoping the Yanks are considering bringing him back on a one year deal. I really liked what I saw from Nady after we got him. Its a shame he never got a chance to play a full season in pinstripes. Swish has been good for the team but overall Nady is the superior player. If he can return to full strength he could easily be the Yankees right fielder next year, or even the left fielder if Damon leaves.

I think the Yankees are really only searching for players they can get on one year deals with Austin Jackson waiting in the wings and this would be a good option. Its funny how its an afterthought that the Yankees won't sign him though. We did give up a solid prospect in Tabata for him, I say give him a shot.

It's amazing that even here the perception is that Nady is a solid offensive player.

Once again - he is slightly better than LA. He has always flashed potential but really only lived up to it for half a year. Since then he stunk on the Yankees and is experiencing elbow troubles again. How that makes him worth more than a few million is beyond. Especially considering that guys like Abreu got $5m last year.

Think about that for a second. Teams had a chance to get Abreu, coming off a solid year, for $5m. Why would the offers for Nady, coming off a major injury, exceed or even come close to that?

Nady is a guy the Braves need to seriously consider. There isn't much in the FA market. It's either Nady, Bay, Holliday, or Derrosa and thats it.

And Derrosa is a utility player but doesn't have much experience on the outfield or 1B.

And Bay, and Holliday will get huge amounts of money, which experience dictates the Braves aren't interested in providing those kinds of contracts.

The Braves have to voids to fill. 1B and an OF position, and it needs to be a short term fix considering Heyward, and Freeman will fill those voids in the near future. Nady could definitely be a short term fix at 1B, and they are going to trade either Vazquez, or Lowe for an outfielder.

He just makes too much sense.

Nady makes very little sense for the Braves actually. Coming off 2 TJ's what says he is going to come back and be a masher. As a Braves fan I would rather see Diaz/Church/Heyward in the OF and not take the risk with Nady. Heck, Canizares could probably mash out a few HR's at 1B and cost nothing.

If the Giants don't get Bay or Holliday then 2 years 14M plus 9M team option to play LF. He would be a significant improvement over Molina in the 4 spot.

I would like to see the braves go after Nady if he can be had on a short term reasonable deal. He is a pretty solid hitter with a little pop. There's not alot of right handed power guys out there and Holliday and Bay will be too expensive and will both require longer deals. The Braves are not a big market team and just can't have too much money tied up in long term deals(ex. Derek Lowe). It looks like they're getting a good deal on Hudson if that ever becomes official and reports until recently thought laroche would be back.
I'd be ok with:
McLouth
Prado
Chipper
McCann
Escobar
Laroche
Nady
Diaz

If they are able to get rid of Lowes contract then something else could open up but that seems pretty realistic.

Vazquez
Hudson
Jurrjens
Hanson
Kawakami

Thoughts? Any right handed power bats that could be aquired that I forgot about?

*maybe Jermaine dye?

He'll get a deal. GMs covet this guy for some bizarre reason. Well, not really that bizarre, they just love scrappy white guys.

Posted by: nut bunnies | November 04, 2009 at 03:00 PM
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funny.

I am hoping the Yanks are considering bringing him back on a one year deal. I really liked what I saw from Nady after we got him. Its a shame he never got a chance to play a full season in pinstripes. Swish has been good for the team but overall Nady is the superior player. If he can return to full strength he could easily be the Yankees right fielder next year, or even the left fielder if Damon leaves.

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I wasn't a big fan of Swisher throughout his career, but I like what he brought to this team on and off. His power and ability to get on base makes up for his ko and inability to hit in the high .200's. That being sad there's no way the Yanks are going to bring back Nady to play RF and they certainly shouldn't bring him back to play LF. As far as other suitors, I don't know if he has the arm strength to play RF anymore. Real questions have to exist about his ability to throw from the OF with any authority. He might be better suited to return to 1B, and maybe even DH some. He should still be able to hit 20-25 hrs.

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"Once again - he is slightly better than LA. He has always flashed potential but really only lived up to it for half a year. Since then he stunk on the Yankees and is experiencing elbow troubles again. How that makes him worth more than a few million is beyond. Especially considering that guys like Abreu got $5m last year".
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Not sure why people feel Nady stunk with the Yanks. He certainly fell back to earth when he came to NY but the Yanks needed a righty power bat in the lineup and he hit 12 hrs and 11 doubles in 59 games. That's pretty damn good. His obp and bat avg was horrible, but his 12 hrs was 2nd on the team during that span to Arod. With Jorge and Matsui on the DL at the time, he served his purpose as a righty power bat.

"I'm sure if we get Nady we have a higher chance of retaining LaRoche meaning we could field this lineup

Diaz LF
McLouth CF
Chip 3B
Nady RF
McCann C
Escobar SS
LaRoche 1B
Prado 2B"
Posted by: drumzalicious
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I think most major league pitchers would feel very safe facing that line up.

As a Cardinal fan who thinks we have zero chance of keeping Holiday or signing Bay I wouldn't mind see them giving Nady a look for maybe one year and an option. Would have to check out health wise (always a concern with the Cards over the last 10 years). Could get him for 6 or under I would think. Then I personally would sign Figgins to get on in front of Albert and somebody like Valverde or Rodney who has closed to back up (I think most likely take over) for Franklin.

TheAntiRecruiter - Nady is represented by Boras and has always carried some name recognition because he went straight to the majors. He is also a good defensive player, or at least as a reputation as such.

Nady makes sense in Fenway if they can sign Bay and you could actually get an interesting shift if anyone pays attention. Ellsbury to LF, Drew to CF (where is is about lgAVG and better than Jacoby) and Nady to RF. Nady can also play 1B when Youk shifts over to 3B to spell Lowell.
Posted by: AA | November 04, 2009 at 04:44 PM

Boras can spin silly long term deals for guys like Texiera or Arod, but selling teams on 3 years on a guy who's coming off a second TJ surgery and 30M in payroll, come on. Why is Boras even relevant in this conversation?
No way that Nady is getting 3 years guaranteed. Rick Ankiel would be a safer option, and that's not saying much.

I don't dislike Nady, think he'll probably be a good deal for someone who signs him for a year, but when guys like Orlando Hudson, Bobby Abreu, and Orlando Cabrera were considering Minor League Deals last year coming off quite productive seasons, forget it.

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