Odds & Ends: Pirates, Jeter, Marlins

How soon before we trade for adrain? thats if we do.. Is it even possible we can get him?

i think its possible for the red sox to obtain Gonzalez, that being said, we really dont have a choice. This is a really big moment for Theo, he has to prove that he can rebuild this team or be doomed to second place for a very long time.

I think the Miguel Cabrera situation mentioned earlier on this site was interesting. Theo WILL pickup an impact bat this offseason, its a matter of who it will be

I hope the Sox can get Adrian Gonzalez, but it will realistically take Buchholz, Bard, and Casey Kelly to get him. Thats a huge hit to the future of the Sox, and it leaves a big question mark in the Sox rotation going into 2010. I would do this trade, but only if we can sign Lackey to a reasonable deal, because there won't be enough left to get Halladay too.

One name I surprised hasn't come up in Sox trade talk is Prince Fielder. Not that it would take any less to get Fielder, but I wouldn't mind seeing him hit in Fenway either.

they can get a deal done without kelly or westmoreland

Lavalamp, that was remarkably refreshing. It's nice to read a trade suggestion that actually has the person's preferred team sending real assets for a superstar. There are far too many "We'll offer one good prospect and then our B guys for the other team's superstar with a low contract" suggestions on boards like this.

Elsbury sucks they wouldn't want him!

i would include buchholz and elsbury in a package for prince.

Posted by: harrison

Sure... Then the Sox only need to find a CF,LF and a #3 SP... But at least they will have 4 1B on the roster....

As 04Forever said, this is a huge offseason for Theo. Clearly the Red Sox offense needs another big bat to contend, and investing in a young hitter like Gonzalez puts then in a strong position for the future, even if they have to give up a few prospects. The Red Sox have pitching prospects throughout the system, but very few top young hitting prospects.

Lars still has a ton of potential, and probably will be in the bigs within 2 or 3 years, but beyond him, they are a bunch of decent hitting prospects and about 4 or 5 top tier pitching prospects. Without a powerful lineup in the AL East, you're done.

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soxcurse, if the Tigers are offering that, the Theo needs to give the OK now. Particularly with Wagner accepting arbitration and Bard waiting in the wings, absolutely take that trade.

I can't wait to watch Jeter go all Favre as a Free Agent. People always forget that Mr. "plays the game the way its supposed to be played" happens to be the highest paid athlete in American sports.

I can only imagine the circus that starts when the negotiating starts.

Papelbon, Lowell and Lars for Cabrera? Ken thinks so. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10374040/Trading-Cabrera-makes-financial-sense-for-Tigers

Posted by: soxcurse | November 15, 2009 at 01:52 PM

It doesn't make sense to the Tigers. They want to trim this year payroll. After this year most of their bad contracts will drop out. Getting Papelbon and Lowell doesn't help the Tigers to reduce payroll much.

Sox fans-
If you guys did get a superstar 1B (Fielder/AGON etc..) What would you want to do/ expect the Sox to do with V-Mart, because he really isn't a FT catcher anymore maybe ~100 games... do you give Ortiz time off from DH or what when VMart needs a break?

Martinez is catching full time. I'm not thrilled about it, but they really don't have other options. Varitek won't catch more than 40-60 games next year, so Martinez will catch 100 plus. IF Gonzalez was aquired, Lowell would be out and Youk would move to third full time. Basically, a move for a first baseman doesn't really effect Martinez.

Sure Ortiz wasn't as bad as his first 2 months, but I thought he wasn't as good as his last 4 indicated. His season numbers were in line with what he is at this stage in his career. The Red Sox have the same rotation right now as they id last year, except they will add Matsuzaka, who is a big question mark. Their injured third baseman is still their injured third baseman, and they still don't have a shortstop...so what exactly changed?

Adrian gonzalez
For
Fmart, mejia, flores, niese and davis

Sign lackey
Sign figgins
Trade castillo for pierre

Santana
Lackey
Maine
Pelfrey
Nieve/ perez

Ss reyes
2b figgins
Cf beltran
3b wright
1b gonzalez
Rf francoeur
C santos/ thole
Lf pierre
P

hopefully. He does deserve better than that.

04Forver,

I wouldn't want MDC anywhere near the closer's role. I'd give it to Wagner and add some bullpen depth.

amen to that soxcurse. MDC is going to be the red sox garbage innings guy. If a starter gets bounced in the 4 or 5th then MDC pitches one inning. IN a blow out he may get to pitch the 8th. But not any earlier. I feel sick when he is up in a big spot.

If there's anyone here that would ever take Ken Rosenthal seriously, I believe said person needs to have a mental examination.

The Mets are the team that should be doing whatever they can to get Gonzalez. Red Sox has loads of talent, then just need to transition.

Baseballz, do some research.

Davis is the real deal.

Niese is a solid 3/4 starter.

Mejia is only 20 and everyone is saying he can be a 1/2 starter.

Flores is only 18 and holding his own while being the youngest player in that league. He has drawn comparisons to Miguel Cabrera.

F-Mart, is only 21, again was the youngest person in his league and was a top 20 prospect for a reason. He was killing AAA before he got called up and got injured.

I wonder what kind of package it would take to get A.Gonz from the Pads? It would almost certainly require one of the "untouchables" but at this point..I think the Sox might be willing to make Kelly or Westoreland available in a deal for A.Gonz - just not Bard. Maybe something like Kelly/Bowden/Reddick/Pimental/Rizzo? That's two HIGH ceiling pitchers, a ML-ready 3 or 4 pitcher in Bowden + a solid LF and 1B prospects in Reddick & Rizzo.

Or, substitute Buchholz for Kelly and then add lower-tier 5th prospect.

AGon may be cheaper but if Miguel C. can be had for the same package its no contest right? MC hit over 300 last year with almost the same amount of homeruns. On top of that he is younger and has more big league experience. the $20 mil price tag is big but dont tell me the sox dont have it. ITs going to nearly impossible to get rid of David Ortiz this year but Lowell is still an RBI guy which everyone loves. I just dont see giving up the farm to Hoyer for someone who plays in the very weak NL West and hasnt shown a 300 or above average. Agon is good but just because he is cheap doesnt mean we should give up Bucholz. When Bucholz is on he is very dominant and pitching is harder to come by. The only player I want to see the farm gone for is King Felix.

"The Boston Globe's Chad Finn thinks that the Red Sox should be doing whatever it takes to acquire Adrian Gonzalez."

Does Finn have any clue how stupid it is to say that? "Whatever it takes" means destroying your team for one just you can't live without. Just marry him fer cryin' out loud.

"Not to get all factual here on you or anything (God forbid anyone uses facts anymore) but Jeter isn't even the highest paid player on the Yanks infield much less in all of North American sports. How did that fall under the radar?"

He is at least with-in reason of being correct. Jeter ended up #9 on the most recent SI poll. When you are talking thousands of athletes qualifying for inclusion, being off a mere 8 isnt the worst thing in the world.

Jeter will retire as a Yankee. nothing else needs to be said.

He is at least with-in reason of being correct. Jeter ended up #9 on the most recent SI poll. When you are talking thousands of athletes qualifying for inclusion, being off a mere 8 isnt the worst thing in the world.

Posted by: SuzysMan | November 15, 2009 at 11:52 PM
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I truly hope that is sarcasm? I mean, I'm not bashing the guy (certainly isn't that important), but I think even the casual fan knows that. Big difference between # in North American Sports vs #3 on his own team or #4.

"I truly hope that is sarcasm? I mean, I'm not bashing the guy (certainly isn't that important), but I think even the casual fan knows that. Big difference between # in North American Sports vs #3 on his own team or #4."

Ok, and I hope this is sarcasm or the same drunkard state that had you putting Sean Rodriguez in an Angels/Tigers trade.

Like I said, see SI's list. They gave listed everyone after crunching the numbers and had Jeter #9 highest paid athlete in all or sports; second highest baseball player to ARod. This includes all the things you seem unable to comprehend if you feel he is the 3rd to 4th highest paid player on his own team - endorsements.

Besides, you are acting like Jeter really even made the 3rd or 4th highest salary on his team. Newsflash, that isnt even true itself.

2009
A-Rod 32 MM
Jeter 20 MM
Tex 20 MM
Burnett 16.5 MM
Rivera 15 MM
Sabathia 14 MM
(you get the idea)

So, tied-2nd highest salary on his team (20 MM) plus roughly 8.5 million in endorsements puts him at 28.5 MM overall earned, the 8th highest salary per the latest SI list - as I said.

What's the point of trading a legitimate franchise player like Cabrera, for a closer who has been actively rumored to be on the way out anyways, an aging replacement at first base, and one good prospect in the top 25 in MLB?

Does anyone in Boston realize we traded a top-10 prospect to land Miguel? Lars *MIGHT* be a good MLB player. Doesn't mean he will. However Cabrera is already producing at the major league level, like a major league star.

With Bard's emergence and the likelihood someone signs Billy Wagner if he's offered arbitration (highly unlikely) I'm convinced Papelbon can be had at a more reasonable price. If not, the Red Soxs can find a way to lock him up long term.