Rangers In “Serious Talks” With Guerrero

3:46pm: Jon Heyman of SI.com tweets that the Rangers are in "serious talks" with Vlad about a deal that would be worth about $5MM plus incentives.

1:52pm: MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan reports that the Rangers have offered Guerrero a contract. However, Sullivan's sources indicate that it wasn't close to $7MM. Interestingly, Sullivan hears from executives who haven't heard Guerrero's name connected with any other team.

The Rangers have expressed interest in Jim Thome, according to Sullivan.

11:20am: Richard Durrett of ESPN.com hears that though the Rangers have been in regular contact with Vlad's representatives, the two sides haven't made progress towards a deal. Guerrero still wants a two-year contract.

10:50am: Yahoo's Tim Brown hears that the Rangers haven't made any official offers to DH candidates.

9:30am: Jon Heyman of SI.com tweets that the Rangers offered about $5MM.

FRIDAY, 9:10am: Anthony Andro of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram hears from a team source that the Rangers did not offer Vlad $7MM.

THURSDAY, 4:01pm: A source tells ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick that the Rangers aren't likely to commit more than $5MM to Vlad.

3:00pm: Sullivan hears that Vlad isn't particularly happy with the Rangers' offer, though he hasn't seen a better one from any other team.

1:47pm: The Rangers have offered Vladimir Guerrero a one-year deal worth $7MM, according to this tweet from Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes (Hat Tip: Jorge Arangure Jr.'s Twitter). We've heard about the Rangers' potential interest in Vlad for months now and T.R. Sullivan reported yesterday that the Rangers are very much interested in the 2004 AL MVP.

Vlad hit .295/.334/.460 last year for the Angels and made $15MM. He's in line for a pay-cut this offseason because of his fading power (32 extra base hits last year) and questionable defense (consistently weak, according to UZR/150). Vlad is one of the best hitters of his generation, but the surplus of DH-types probably means he won't see offers much better than this.


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109 Comments on "Rangers In “Serious Talks” With Guerrero"


bjsguess
5 years 7 months ago

Steep price to pay for Vlad. I was thinking more along the lines for $3-4m.

melonis_rex
5 years 7 months ago

Yeah, I agree.

Anything over 4-5MM for a DH is stupid, with the abundance of DHs still on the market and another DH suitor coming off the market.

5 years 7 months ago

Yeah, there are many DHs out there, but you can’t compare the type of hitter Vlad is to lets say J. Thome is right now. Not all DHs are the same. Is like saying all 2B are can hit the same or do the same with the bat. 7M is a good deal for both sides.

bjsguess
5 years 7 months ago

Vlad is in major decline. Right now he is a name only.

He posted a sub 800 OPS.

He can’t run. Check that, he is worse than just slow. Vlad sometimes thinks he is still 25. I’ve seen him run through more stop signs than anyone else. He just makes bad decisions on the basepaths.

He can’t field any more, is a major injury risk, and getting back to my original point, his hitting has been declining for 2 years now. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he posted a sub 800 OPS. That’s not a great return on your DH investment.

mick_lowe
5 years 7 months ago

Vlad is a has been at the ripe old age of 34. $7m is a gross overpayment.

of course he isn’t hitting for power – steroids are now outlawed. he got away that ridiculous strike zone and stance because of the roids. roids don’t help the defense much though.

another young has been for dh duties at a better price would be jason giambi.

then again, roids in texas are like M&M’s in washington – just ask the express.

Mickeyblue
5 years 7 months ago

Jeez Mick has Vlad admited using to you because I’ve always thought he was a pure hitter that didn’t use.

I think his injury history is much like the man inducted into the HOF caused by years w/ the Expos on the hard turf. I can’t imagine the career Vlad would’ve had if he didn’t play for the Expos for most of it.

mick_lowe
5 years 7 months ago

no.
vlad never admitted to me that he had used or was currently using roids. however, he never told me he wasn’t.
the same with barry bonds. he never admitted it to me, one way or the other and he has denied it to congress, yet……
the same with jason giambi. he never admitted it to me, one way or the other and he has not admitted it to congress, yet……

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

wow you know you’re actually stupid when your argument for vlad being on steroids is that he ‘hasn’t come out, like jason giambi’. you realize giambi came out, right? and you realize A has nothing to do with B, right? are you 6 years old?

mick_lowe
5 years 7 months ago

pastlives: i written a bunch here and i don’t remember typing “‘hasn’t come out, like jason giambi’. ” please, underline it or copy it or something. did giambo come out to congress? if he did my bad for implying he hadn’t, however, if he didn’t you are a moron – incorrectly correcting someone is the definition of moron.And still more, moron, my argument is much more complex than “your argument for vlad being on steroids is that he ‘hasn’t come out, like jason giambi’. ” man, can you comprehend? should i be aware that i’m dealing with a mentally disabled person? should i type slower? please, let me know what is wrong with you, so, i don’t accidently discriminate.what is this in reference to “and you realize A has nothing to do with B, right?” ? i’m lost on this one too.are you 6 years old? no, i’m not, but thanks for thinking i was younger than i am.hey, go back to the past and don’t bug me.

Morillo24
5 years 7 months ago

Your comment is embarrasing, how can you comment like that with abosolutely nothing to back that up. This guy has been putting HOF numbers for most of his career, not that you should pay for that but this was just the first time in his entire career that his average is below .300 and it was 295. Obviously he is in his decline since he is not 26 anymore and is in his mid 30s, but he is probably still capable of putting up respectable numbers. 7 MM might not be the best deal but is not that bad of a deal when players like Matsui and Cameron are making 6 MM and 7 MM per year….

mick_lowe
5 years 7 months ago

moronillo24 – how do you know i don’t have anything to back it up with? for big guys, their numbers don’t generally decline until approximately 30 and at a more gradual rate, unless there are steroids in the equation.

and what are you embarrassed about? – are you typing naked on the mens room floor again?

Morillo24
5 years 7 months ago

Your comment doesnt make any sense, he hit 15 Homers in only 100 games. He might not have the same power as 5 seasons ago, but just dont talk as he had jason varitek numbers last season. There is no way Vlad should have the same value as Pedro Feliz who is going to steal 4.5 M from the Astros this season.

mick_lowe
5 years 7 months ago

moronillo24: he hasn’t earned his money in 5 years. forget about tek or felicia, this isn’t arbitratration. texas can spend what the market dictates or they could elect to not spend. no sense in spending $7m – a salary for a good player in this market – for a “has been” non-fielding, non-power hitting, non-running, non-strike zone discipline and ugly dh – to be fair, he does have nice shoes.

what doesn’t make sense? maybe you don’t have the sense to make sense.

5 years 7 months ago

You are attacking Vlad like his #s declined so much that he is not really good. Yes he is an injury risk, if he is on the field, which he won’t. And to say he got away with his stance bcus of steroids is just stupid and shows you don’t know what you are ‘alking about. Vlad has been good almost every year of his career and he would still hit 4th in most teams’ line-up

Morillo24
5 years 7 months ago

Your comment is embarrasing, how can you comment like that with abosolutely nothing to back that up. This guy has been putting HOF numbers for most of his career, not that you should pay for that but this was just the first time in his entire career that his average is below .300 and it was 295. Obviously he is in his decline since he is not 26 anymore and is in his mid 30s, but he is probably still capable of putting up respectable numbers. 7 MM might not be the best deal but is not that bad of a deal when players like Matsui and Cameron are making 6 MM and 7 MM per year….

5 years 7 months ago

When 37 year old Mike Cameron is making 7MM+ per, Vlad making 7 doesn’t sound too steep at all. Even for a DH.

CosaOne
5 years 7 months ago

Cameron might be old but he still plays a premium position well and hits for power/gets on base.

5 years 7 months ago

When cameron is giving you + defense and had a nearly identical slash line… then 7 is way too steep

5 years 7 months ago

I can only see Cameron regressing from here. Strikes out way too much and I think he’ll struggle initially in Fenway’s centerfield.

bjsguess
5 years 7 months ago

If you look beyond the age you will see that Cameron provides significantly more value than Vlad does. Cameron’s defense is simply outstanding.

Morillo24
5 years 7 months ago

The reality is that the Red Sox probably overpaid, so maybe either one should be making 7MM a year…

Morillo24
5 years 7 months ago

The reality is that the Red Sox probably overpaid, so maybe either one should be making 7MM a year…

andrewdavis82
5 years 7 months ago

talk about overpaying for a name. I agree about $4M there are plenty of guys like Thome and Dye around still too no need to overpay especially for a guy who is DONE in the field

Abraham Zapruder
5 years 7 months ago

he looks cooked. Pass

dodgers_suck
5 years 7 months ago

wow! thats a lot of dough for vlad these days. i was thinking 3-4mm as well. he should no doubt except that and be ok. not worth 7mm though.

pcain1027
5 years 7 months ago

besides the price i think that is a good fit for both sides.

5 years 7 months ago

That’s a whole lotta green for Vlad, he’s a great fit for them, but at that price? yikes!

badscience
5 years 7 months ago

Don’t forget that Vlady has crushed Texas over the years, crushed. I don’t have the #s at my fingertips but I think he has hit more HRs at their stadium than anyone else.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

He threw up crazy numbers against them.

floyd_e_queeb
5 years 7 months ago

I believe that he has a near .400 BA at th ballpark in arlington

penpaper
5 years 7 months ago
5 years 7 months ago

It’s one year, Vlad only played 100 games last year due to injury. A healthy Vlad is more than worth that contract.

bjsguess
5 years 7 months ago

He hasn’t been healthy in years. It’s not like his chronic knee or back problems will improve. I’ve been watching to guy as much as possible since he came over to the Angels. He was simply so much better than everyone else because of his athletic ability. Once you take away that ability (which age and injuries have) and you are left with a great guy that offers very little for his future team.

eric213421
5 years 7 months ago

Well, the Rangers are one of the teams where you really can scrutinize how they spend their money because this would probably be all they have left. But in general- god you guys certainly care a lot about a couple million dollars difference. Vlad has among the highest ceilings for the remaining DH candidates. Is paying a couple million less (maybe) for Dye really that much better? Barely anything else is out there. They want a righty.

chuckgreenberg
5 years 7 months ago

Being the majority owner of the Texas Rangers, I believe this is an excellent move for our organization. Vladimir will be a solid clean up hitter for our 2010 team.

5 years 7 months ago

whatever you say, poser.

chuckgreenberg
5 years 7 months ago

I believe this is an excellent move for our franchise. Vladimir is a great addition at an affordable price. He will be the anchor of our lineup for the 2010 season. The Texas Rangers WILL be a very exciting team to watch. We might not have had the best offseason in 2010 (Mariners) but we have definately improved.

dodgers_suck
5 years 7 months ago

i agree with you. and if hamilton can stay healthy…and sober. the dude is good. i think they can maybe contend next year. they are going to exciting to watch though.

5 years 7 months ago

Matsui > Vlad but for a team like the rangers who have been desperately scratching and clawing their way to respectability I’m ok with the move. Overpaying? Probably BUT it’s only for a year so it’s not a major future investment.

I don’t believe he is going to get offers flooding in that are gonna match or better this one.

chuckgreenberg
5 years 7 months ago

Which would you rather have?

Vlad + 4 MM or Gary Matthews Jr??

rangerfan
5 years 7 months ago

touche greenburg!

5 years 7 months ago

As the great slingblade once said, “I’d rather fellate myself with a curling iron,” than have GMJ. How is GMJ even relevant here?

5 years 7 months ago

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say his crazy offense in Texas has had as much to do with Texas’ atrocious pitching in the past years as it does with the park.

5 years 7 months ago

EXACTLY!

MadmanTX
5 years 7 months ago

I doubt the Rangers are thinking in those terms and are that stupid. A). They only have so much money to spend. B) would you be in such a hurry to walk Josh if Vlad is the next batter? C) it’s only one freaking year and if it is a bust, it wouldn’t be a costly one.

5 years 7 months ago

I wouldn’t mind this, and really, it makes sense, if not for the price. They’re paying him as if they’re expecting 25 homeruns with a .280 or so average.

HoneyNutIchiro
5 years 7 months ago

If I’m his agent I have Vlad sign on the dotted line ASAP!

Tvators
5 years 7 months ago

I would be willing to bet that this is a lower base salary w/ AB/playing time incentives and by the way I love this signing, huge bounce back yr for Vlady. he started real slow last yr but picked it up in the second half.

Alldaybaseball
5 years 7 months ago

This would be sad if he rejects it and asks 2 yrs 21 mill.

jayjay67
5 years 7 months ago

7M for 1 year of Vlad’s huge bat in Texas is a bargain. That ballpark is tailor made for a free swinging power bat.

rangerfan
5 years 7 months ago

As an avid ranger fan its worth the extra couple mm to keep him out of the visitors locker room at the Ballpark in Arlington. He can still mash when healthy.

bomberj11
5 years 7 months ago

I think this is the highest offer Vlad will get. He should just take it now. Also, I think $7 million isn’t too steep a price for Vlad.

drumzalicious
5 years 7 months ago

Thats crazy considering Dye was much better and his power is still there

Tvators
5 years 7 months ago

Dye had a second half that made Yuniesky betancourt look liek a slugger