White Sox Out On Thome

7:35pm: Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune is up with a story on Thome not returning. According to Guillen, the at-bats for Thome simply weren't there.

7:01pm: Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times tweets that a source with the Twins told him Jim Thome's agent spoke with Minnesota this afternoon, meaning that "it's official – Jim ain't coming back." He added that manager Ozzie Guillen has confirmed this as well.

Cowley adds that Tampa Bay and Detroit are also in the running for Thome's services, but the Twins appear to be the frontrunner.

Thome would serve primarily as a pinch-hitter for Minnesota, though he could spell Jason Kubel occasionally at DH.


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93 Comments on "White Sox Out On Thome"


danks50
5 years 6 months ago

Its sad that Kenny Williams seems to feel satisfied with a gaping offense hole in an otherwise pretty decent team, Kotsay/Jones will not cut it. However Thome to the Twins makes next to little sense.

Guest
5 years 6 months ago

It makes sense if they DFA Young and put Kubel in LF.

Span – CF
Hardy – SS
Mauer – C
Morneau – 1b
CUddyer – RF
Kubel – LF
Thome – DH
Punto – 3rd/2nd
Warm Body – 2nd/3rd

5 years 6 months ago

DFA Young? He’s goin’ nowhere.

Guest
5 years 6 months ago

Because hes got upside or that trade blew up in Minnesota’s face?

5 years 6 months ago

Because he’s more valuable than a DFA. The Dude could still hit 20 bombs down the road.

Twins GM
5 years 6 months ago

LMFAO so we want to cut a kid under the age of 25 with a career batting avg of .290 comming off a career low .284 for a washed up player who can’t get a DH job in CHI over Andruw Jones? Sorry but Thome in his 19 years he only had 7 seasons over .284 and only once since 2002, and Young has 4 in 4 seasons! Why don’t we sign Frank Thomas and Julio Franco while we are at it!!!

Hoosierdaddy92
5 years 6 months ago

agreed, i think he was banking on getting A-Gonz.

josegayes
5 years 6 months ago

Thome is dead? OMG. This is tragic.

sploorp
5 years 6 months ago

I’m just hoping the Twins front office finally comes to their senses and start talking to Hudson and/or Lopez

coldgoldenfalstaff
5 years 6 months ago

Danks50:
That’s not it at all. There are better options out there than a 40 year old one-dimensional homer-or-nothing hitter who has back and knee problems and can’t play a position.

danks50
5 years 6 months ago

Yet for a player that requires no position, his .865 OPS with the Sox would’ve made all the sense in the world. Considering a left handed power bat is exactly what this offense needs and the bench players currently occuping the DH spot. As for better options, I see Damon as a player that can somewhat fit that bill. However being represented by Boras automatically takes the White Sox out of the running.

el_doggo
5 years 6 months ago

KW needs to get JR to pony up for JD.Thats Johnny Damon for the acronymmatically challenged.

baconslayer09
5 years 6 months ago

I’ve never hated on Ozzie before, but his interference with this and his rotating DH crap is really pissing me off.

soxluv
5 years 6 months ago

Well since it’s Cowley I won’t completely believe it – but it doesn’t look good.

bpg
5 years 6 months ago

I was dreading that the White Sox were going to bring him back. He was mediocre at best with the Sox last year and I would be shocked if he was over .230 or .240 once he left for the Dodgers. He can’t pinch hit and without regular at bats, I have a feeling he’ll be awful. It’s too bad someone like Kansas City or Baltimore couldn’t use him.

disgustedcubfan
5 years 6 months ago

Nobody knows Jim Thome better than the White Sox. They are taking a pass on Thome, and they have a nobody at all to D.H. That should tell the Twins everything they need to know.

ajax1991
5 years 6 months ago

the twins have morneau and mauer and kubel
your telling m they dont have left handed power

verlander
5 years 6 months ago

Dombrowski said the Tigers aren’t interested in another DH-only type so I guess that means … they’re in the running.

$1529282
5 years 6 months ago

I have to wonder if all of this Thome business means Delmon Young might be on his way to being traded.

-Several were surprised Young was even tendered a contract, but Bill Smith would be hard-pressed to non-tender him just two years after trading so much for him
-The Twins haven’t voiced their interest in almost any free agent infielders despite a glaring need
-Trading Delmon would slot Kubel in left with Thome DHing.
-Glen Perkins is thought to be all but done in the Twin Cities, and has been rumored in trades ever since falling out of favor with the organization

A package of Young/Perkins+ isn’t really an overwhelming offer, but the Twins don’t necessarily have to be going after any blockbuster names, and they’re both still young with some degree of upside (though nowhere near what it once was).

I could be way off-base, but in my opinion, Thome is still too good of a hitter not to be starting somewhere. Swapping out Delmon and presumably Brendan Harris (projected 3B if Valencia doesn’t win the job in Spring Training) for Thome and whatever player would be acquired via trade would certainly improve the lineup, and could improve defense as well depending on the player brought in.

Maybe it’s all far-fetched, but I can’t really make much sense of this Thome business otherwise.

TwinsWin
5 years 6 months ago

“Several were surprised that Young was even tendered a contract” ?!?

Several what? Voices in your head? No one was surprised that that happened.

$1529282
5 years 6 months ago

There were plenty of writers who thought Delmon was at least a decent bet to be nontendered. Heck, even this site had him as a candidate. He’s done absolutely nothing as a Twin.

pseudofool
5 years 6 months ago

It would be silly to sell so low on Young, and no one of any repute has ever suggested he’d be nontendered. He’s not going anywhere, he’s the only descent RHed at bat beyond Cuddy. Here’s betting Thome finds 300 at bats this year.

$1529282
5 years 6 months ago

Delmon has a lot of work to do before he earns the title of “decent” at the plate. He posted a .733 OPS last year as a corner outfielder. That’s horrendous.

I don’t even hate Delmon Young, and I’d love to see him succeed and make the trade look like it may have been worth it– but at a certain point you have to stop thinking of him as the 18-year-old kid who was drafted #1 overall and look at him as the 24-year-old who hasn’t put it together at all yet.

He slugged well in the second half, largely in part to a monster September, but we’ve seen a few hot streaks from Delmon before that have all ultimately resulted in more disappointment.

pseudofool
5 years 6 months ago

I didn’t say Delmon was descent at the plate, I said he’s the only decent *RHed * option beyond Cuddy; I used ‘decent’ as a relative comparison. I’m aware of his hitting woes, but the Twins are knee deep in LHed hitters, and Delmon as bad as he is is better than the other RHed options.

Like I said, you’re way off base when you suggested there was ever any notion of nontendering Delmon. Selling low on him is just as foolish.

$1529282
5 years 6 months ago

The very fact that Bill Smith had to go on record as saying “Delmon Young is a lock to be tendered a contract” means that it was discussed enough in media circles to even be an issue. I’m not saying I thought Delmon was going to be non-tendered, but from a purely statistical standpoint, he probably deserved it. If that were another guy who hadn’t been the #1 overall pick or who hadn’t been acquired for Matt Garza and Jason Bartlett, he’d probably be gone.

He may be the next-best right-handed option not named Cuddyer, but he simply hasn’t ever shown anything.

You can say it’s foolish to sell low on him. I said the same thing last year and was thrilled he wasn’t traded. Now, his value is even lower. There comes a time when you have to look at it as “maybe we’re not selling low on him… maybe we’re trading him while there’s still enough optimism left to warrant interest from other clubs.”

Delmon’s defense is atrocious, and his bat doesn’t make up for it. He’s been a -1.7 WAR player for Minnesota and has a career OPS+ of 95, just ever-so-slightly better than Brendan Harris’ 91.

Maybe Young will turn it around, but I think “selling low” on Delmon is a pretty worthwhile risk if you can actually get some form of value out of it.

pseudofool
5 years 6 months ago

Well I can’t argue with someone who thinks the sentence “Delmon Young is a lock to be tendered a contract” alludes to the contrary.

Look, fetching Delmon for Garza and his status as a #1 pick create an atmosphere where is slow development is seen as failure, which in turn might create some fodder for bloggers and beat writers to ask a pointed question; but no one in the FO, I imagine, ever has given any indication that Delmon would be nontendered. What generates news is a far cry from the reality of the Front Office.

Selling low on Delmon by definition insinuates we wouldn’t be getting value.

Maybe it’s also old-school of me to consider Delmon’s loss of his mother early in teh season with his atrocious start; he played much better throughout the second half, and was a key part of the Tigers run down in Sept.

I don’t think Delmon will necessarily break out, but you don’t trade a RHed young bat, who was lauded as a prospect/rookie only two years ago and rushed because of his ML contract. This is esp. the case for the Twins who have no RH at bats that can even put up his meager mid 700 OPS. It doesn’t make sense, it reeks of videogame GMing.

$1529282
5 years 6 months ago

At what point did I say that I thought Smith was debating non-tendering Young? I said “several” (alluding to media, beat writers, respected bloggers, etc.) were surprised he got a contract. The fact that it was ever enough of an issue for Bill Smith to have to point out illustrates that point. Some people thought he would be non-tendered. Smith had to refute it. Thus, my statement that “several were surprised he was even tendered a contract,” MLBTR included.

If the Twins trade Delmon and end up with a bat like Uggla (again, just an example), then they’ve added a right-handed bat to the lineup that’s far better than Delmon. Add a rebound year for JJ Hardy, which I think is far more likely than a good year for Delmon Young, and there’s three solid right-handed bats. Three solid RH bats, five strong LH bats, and a subpar switch hitter still make up a good offense when most of your left-handed weapons excel against LHP (Span, Mauer, Morneau).

I never said “Bill Smith almost non-tendered Delmon.” I said there was talk that he could be, which is true.

pseudofool
5 years 6 months ago

Fair enough. But I’d like to see some evidence that anyone outside some remote blogger was actually surprised that Delmon was offered a contract. I think that’s disingenuous. I read Minny papers I don’t recall anyone speculating Delmon would be nontendered. I’m sure you can generate some evidence since your so ardent in making this point.

If selling low on Delmon gets us Uggla that’s not selling low. Maybe we can turn Punto into Josh Johnson while we’re at it.

Mauerneau
5 years 6 months ago

Getting Dan Uggla for Delmon and Perkins is not selling low at all imo. You know you’re getting 30+ jacks from Uggla (even though you’re also getting 150+ so’s and pretty awful defense). Who knows what will happen with Delmon and Perkins is not happy here.

Drew
5 years 6 months ago

Non-tendering him is sure “selling low.”

Guest
5 years 6 months ago

Ah sorry, you already posted this scenario. I should read all the comments before making one of my own.

$1529282
5 years 6 months ago

The only team I’m coming up with that could use an outfielder and/or SP and has the infield depth to spare is Florida, though. Marlins team president just said Dan Uggla was the team’s opening day second baseman.

Still, saying Delmon and Perkins are the only MLB-level players in the deal from Minnesota, they’d be adding about $4.8MM in payroll, which is probably not drastically different than a free agent infielder (unless you go budget and say Crede, but I’m thinking Lopez/Hudson here).

There’s just not many available 2B/3B types… at least not that match up with what the Twins would move in this scenario.

The whole Thome thing has me confused. But, hey, the guy’s one of my all-time favorite players, so if the price is right and it doesn’t take the place of making a more crucial move, I say welcome Mr. Thome.

Mauerneau
5 years 6 months ago

Did you come up with this one on your own? If so, very impressive, you should have your own column in the star tribune haha. That is a very interesting idea, it seems like it could work for both sides. I suppose it would hinge on how much the fish value delmon. If they see the upside of a number one overall pick or something near it, i could see this happening. The marlins president saying Uggla is the opening day starter doesnt necessarily mean much. I think we would need to sign another OF if we did this for depth. If Kubel goes down, i dont want Pridie playing everyday. One interesting idea i have heard is Eric Byrnes who was recently non tendered. He’s apparently looking for the league minimum and get the bounce back year. I think he would be a solid 4th of.

Sampsonite168
5 years 6 months ago

A full time backup DH. Don’t see that everyday.

ajax1991
5 years 6 months ago

the twins have to much left handed power
mauer mourneau kubel

baseballiq
5 years 6 months ago

Over/under on White Sox players who hit 25+ HRs this year?

I say 1 – Konerko, with barely over 25. Quentin will figure out a new way to get hurt, Beckham could hit about 20, and the rest of the team is completely offensively challenged. and they arent that great defensively either. That rotation better be like the early 90’s Braves, or that team is toast….quickly

5 years 6 months ago

You will be very surprised then.

pseudofool
5 years 6 months ago

delete

brianw20
5 years 6 months ago

I’m a southside die hard and am thrilled to hear that Jim won’t be back. This team desperately needs an identity change. I don’t mind the rotating DH idea, either. Jim’s a class act and no one in Chicago can say a bad word about him, but it’s time to move on.

5 years 6 months ago

Gonna miss big Jim. He really was a base clogger though. Don’t think Kenny’s done btw.

soxluv
5 years 6 months ago

Yeah – Thank God we don’t have to deal with a base clogger anymore. With the new ‘rotating lousy hitter’ those guys will be much more efficient by always making outs.

thebigdog
5 years 6 months ago

Maye the plan is to platoon Kotsay and Jones in RF and DH Quentin. If (meaning when) this proves to be seriously lacking, they will be in a position to trade for a RF/DH near the all star break.

el_doggo
5 years 6 months ago

So the strategy is to wait till they have lost a bunch of winnable games and then play catch up.

Here, take this gun and kill me.

thebigdog
5 years 6 months ago

C’mon, el doggo, it’s just a game. Besides, what if that mid-season trade is for Adrian Gonzalez and PK becomes the DH?

TwinsTapir
5 years 6 months ago

Ozzie’s obviously been watching the Twins’ strategy for the last several years, and has decided to emulate it.

Joey
5 years 6 months ago

I dont think its as much about the rotating thing, thats a cover ploy for the real issue. Ozzie doesn’t want any lumberjacking basecloggers on his team. Thats why its much more likely that the sox bring in like Blalock or Damon and then they could say see we just didnt want someone that can only DH.

$1529282
5 years 6 months ago

Blalock isn’t a lumberjack? And he can field? Heck, even Damon can’t really field.

lolpods
5 years 6 months ago

oh god. ozzie doesn’t want this–ozzie doesn’t want…whatever. he can go scratch.

his numbers last year (sox):.249/.372/.493 OPS+122