Dodgers May Add To Payroll To Make A Deal

Tony Jackson of ESPNLosAngeles.com reports that "there are strong indications" that the Dodgers have been given the go-ahead from owner Frank McCourt to add to the team payroll (if necessary) at the trade deadline.  We heard earlier today that the Dodgers have $2-3MM "to play with" in terms of adding salary, but it's unknown as to whether or not this additional bump can account for an acquisition that doesn't move another major-league salary off of the roster.

Jackson lists several starters and relievers whom the Dodgers have shown some degree of interest in: Scott Downs, Jason Frasor, Dan Haren, Ted Lilly, Paul Maholm, Roy Oswalt and Ben Sheets.  Jackson notes that Lilly and Maholm are both around the bottom of Los Angeles' wish list, and he notes the major payroll increases that would be necessary if Oswalt or Haren were acquired.  Given McCourt's ongoing financial issues stemming from his divorce, it's safe to presume that whatever payroll increase the owner agrees to might be a short-term one for the rest of this season, rather than a multi-year commitment to a Haren or an Oswalt.

In terms of what prospects the Dodgers would have to give up to acquire any of these pitchers, Jackson says that shortstop Dee Gordon and righties Ethan Martin and Chris Withrow (the top position and pitching prospects, respectively, in the L.A. system) "are unlikely" to be dealt.  Aaron Miller, however, is singled out as being "a hot commodity" apart from some other minor-leaguers that are attracting the interest of other teams.  Miller, a southpaw taken 36th overall in the 2009 amateur draft, has a 3.10 ERA and a 9.9 K/9 ratio in just over a year as a professional and is currently pitching at Double-A. 

While GM Ned Colletti says that "pitching continues to be our priority," he also noted that the Dodgers might look to acquire an outfielder in the wake of injuries to Manny Ramirez and Reed Johnson.  Fanhouse.com's Ed Price reports (via Twitter) that the Rays have "some interest" in Dodgers right-hander James McDonald and speculates that B.J. Upton could be a potential trade target if Los Angeles really wants to make a splash in its outfield.  Obviously, given that the Rays have said that they aren't "selling low" on Upton, L.A. would need to add much more than just McDonald to the trade package.


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113 Comments on "Dodgers May Add To Payroll To Make A Deal"


Ferrariman
5 years 1 month ago

how about kyle lohse for some used toilet paper and a rosin bag.

DreinLA
5 years 1 month ago

Maybe for the tp but not the rosin bag

Ferrariman
5 years 1 month ago

fair enough. but their must be deferred payments of peanuts and cherry soda.

5 years 1 month ago

If we give you clean toilet paper, will you pay his salary?

DreinLA
5 years 1 month ago

Hopefully they dont have to give up Gordon, Withrow or Martin

5 years 1 month ago

I like Miller and Webster more than Martin, but i suppose Miller holds more value.

dodgerjulio
5 years 1 month ago

I don’t mind if either got traded, well I would like Miller more. Rubby is better than Webby, I’d cry if they traded Rubby.

moonraker45
5 years 1 month ago

Considering how much money the dodgers make, the fact that this is a story at all is pretty pathetic.

dire straits
5 years 1 month ago

True!

jeffmaz
5 years 1 month ago

pathetic = wonderful

especially for Padre fans

5 years 1 month ago

Pirate community is all about getting Dee Gordon. All about it.

ivdown
5 years 1 month ago

Which is dumb because the only person the Dodgers have interest in is Maholm and since he kinda blows Gordon or any of the Dodgers top 10 prospects shouldn’t be considered for him.

Ok, not blows, but seriously, he’d be our freakin 5th starter…

5 years 1 month ago

Have a hard time believing that the Dodgers top 10 prospects are all so good that they wouldn’t be willing to give any one of them up for Paul Maholm, who is a good #3-4 on a good team.

5 years 1 month ago

Yeah, except for the fact that he’s a #6 on the dodgers, who are a good team.

ivdown
5 years 1 month ago

I’m not sure you’re getting my point. Maholm is literally average. He is the best pitcher on the Pirates, and would be the FIFTH!!! best pitcher on the Dodgers. Who gives one of their top 10 prospects for a 5th starter? Not a smart person, that’s who.

I don’t have a problem trading any Dodger prospect (save maybe Sands), but it’s not gonna be for someone like Maholm, it will be for someone like Haren (or I guess I should say SHOULD…ugh).

5 years 1 month ago

Maholm is average at best, he’s a 4 at best.

On the Dodgers, he’d barely be the # five, and only because a few younger, more upside-laden pitchers haven’t had as much experience or time to prove themselves.

5 years 1 month ago

They’re delirious from the decade+ streak of losing seasons.

5 years 1 month ago

I read that alot last year in the days leading up to Sanchez-Alderson deal. I don’t know if the Pirates will get Gordon or not, but I’m not sure If they’ll trade Maholm for much less.

5 years 1 month ago

I’m sure the dodgers would rather add a pair of other top 10 prospects and get a real pitcher than get Maholm. In our rotation, he’s a 6th starter, assuming the FO trusts Ely enough to let him pitch.

5 years 1 month ago

I don’t see the Rays dealing Upton for a prospect package. Sure they’ve got Desmond Jennings in the minors, but I think if they deal Upton then they’d want a big bat in return.

I think they’d be in a very good place if they packaged Davis or Garza with Upton for Prince.

Call up Hellickson and you won’t miss the pitching… call up Jennings and you won’t miss Upton and they get Prince.

bleedDODGERblue
5 years 1 month ago

Manny and McDonald for Upton lol

Ferrariman
5 years 1 month ago

he said big bat. not broken bat.

moonraker45
5 years 1 month ago

but next year you lose crawford. I thought Jennings was crawfords replacement not uptons.

5 years 1 month ago

You’re right, but the Rays are dangling Upton so they must be willing to see him (and Crawford go as well). Maybe they sign an OF this offseason or try and tie up Crawford. It’s not like Crawford’s chances at winning a World Series will go up significantly somewhere else (even the Yankees).

I’d say that they maybe they make a move for Werth and keep Jennings in the minors until next year, but I don’t see them having the funds to keep Werth or Prince longterm.

Still think that a big bat like Prince will make them perhaps the favorite to win the AL pennant this year. Sometimes you gotta roll the dice and go all out 1 year.

5 years 1 month ago

The asking price for Werth is ML ready pitching prospects.

dodgerjulio
5 years 1 month ago

I don’t understand why the Jays are intrigued by McDonald, Rays have too much pitching. Manny + McDonald for BJ, hey I love the sound of that!

vtadave
5 years 1 month ago

I’d donate a kidney if it helped the Dodgers to deal for Upton.

thegrayrace
5 years 1 month ago

Do you realize BJ Upton has an OPS of .696 for the 2009-2010 seasons? .696!!!

Xavier Paul has a .703 OPS in his limited (and extremely unimpressive) major league career. Reed Johnson has a .725 OPS over the last two seasons.

BJ had a good season in 2007, but he’s dropped like a rock ever since. He’s batting .230, which on the Dodgers would put him just above Ronnie Belliard. His .319 OBP is decent considering his awful batting average, and would tie him for 9th on the Dodgers. He has one asset right now, speed, which should make him about as useful as Juan Pierre was.

BJ Upton would be nice if he’d bump Garret Anderson off the team, but my god, to suggest he’d be more useful even than an oft-injured Manny Ramirez is, well…

I’d take him if it were in exchange for, say, James McDonald and Jamie Hoffmann… but to include any top prospects or Manny Ramirez would be dumb. Unless it was for salary relief. If the Rays want to take on Manny’s salary and we’re just calling it a season, fine.

But Manny will be much more useful down the stretch than Upton.

dodgerjulio
5 years 1 month ago

The Dodgers should replace Martin with Sands. Sands is the only Dodger prospect with legit power.

Pirates fans are delusional that they want Dee Gordon AND and MLB-ready starter for Maholm. If the Dodgers had an MLB-ready starter, no one would be talking about Maholm..

ivdown
5 years 1 month ago

The 2nd part of this is completely true.

dire straits
5 years 1 month ago

Sands catches?

5 years 1 month ago

He means Ethan Martin. He’s saying that Ethan Martin shouldn’t be a protected prospect while Sands should.

dodgerjulio
5 years 1 month ago

Yup. In my opinion: Withrow and Sands should be labeled un-tradeable.

dire straits
5 years 1 month ago

My apologies on the previous post. I agree with you completely. Sands looks like the real deal

Table
5 years 1 month ago

He means replace Ethan Martin with Sands on the list of untouchable ish Dodger prospects.

5 years 1 month ago

Jonathan Garcia is more raw but has more upside than Sands. I’d say we should let Sands go in the right deal because other teams are more likely to overrate him.

dodgerjulio
5 years 1 month ago

You’re right. I agree that Jon Garcia has more upside, but he won’t see the big leagues until 2012 or ’13. Sands has a chance to come next year, maybe not start from the beginning, but the way he’s raking in AA, I don’t see how he shouldn’t replace Manny next season. He crushed a HR today, 9 HR’s in 25 games. Unreal.

5 years 1 month ago

That’s why i say we trade him. He’s the most ML-ready hitter we have with upside. He holds a lot of value.

dodgerjulio
5 years 1 month ago

Who will be our outfield in 2012? Just curious..

5 years 1 month ago

No idea. Could be a mixture of Kemp/Ethier/FA Signings/Paul/Hoffman/Sands/Garcia/Russell.

dodgerjulio
5 years 1 month ago

I don’t believe we’ll get Kemp AND Ethier.

5 years 1 month ago

Depends on what we do with our other impending FAs. If we don’t bother with loney/martin, then we might manage.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

Robinson and Lambo figure to have a shot as well

5 years 1 month ago

.260 in AA is not encouraging sign for Lambo. He seems to have hit his ceiling for now. Trayvon Robinson may be a different story. He could be a solid outfielder. Not a star mind you, but solid.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

You think he hit his ceiling at 21? I think not. He also was hitting very well before his pot suspension. Since his return, not so much, but I am banking on him rebounding at some point.

BaseballFanatic0707
5 years 1 month ago

If the dodgers want to make a splash in their outfield, B.J. Upton isn’t how to do it.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

Why not? As much talent and potential as you can get, only 25 and affordable. Who would be better?

bleedDODGERblue
5 years 1 month ago

He could benefit from being taken out of the AL East.

moonraker45
5 years 1 month ago

who wouldn’t?

Table
5 years 1 month ago

That is the point.

bleedDODGERblue
5 years 1 month ago

Thank you.

thegrayrace
5 years 1 month ago

Oh come on. Don’t buy that ESPN hype.

I suppose Adrian Beltre would be batting .400 and not just .336 if he got out of the AL East? Or maybe Robinson Cano would be batting .395 instead of a paltry .332? Crawford would certainly be hitting in the .380 range instead of that mediocre .317. Youkilis, Swisher, Longoria and Ortiz would probably have OPS in the 1.100 range instead of the mediocre .900s, right?

Forget that the Orioles have the worst pitching staff in the AL, and the Yankees, Blue Jays and Red Sox are 6th, 8th and 9th in team ERA respectively (out of 14 teams).

The only team in the AL East with solid pitching is the one that BJ Upton is on.

dodgerjulio
5 years 1 month ago

Disagree. Defense will be a big step higher. And I like BJ’s upside.

thegrayrace
5 years 1 month ago

I agree. An OPS of .696 for the 2009-2010 seasons? .696!!!

Xavier Paul has a .703 OPS in his limited (and extremely unimpressive) major league career. Reed Johnson has a .725 OPS over the last two seasons.

BJ Upton does NOT help a contending team this season. He might reach his potential someday, but to dream he’s going to do it just by changing uniforms is dumb.

TheReturnOfMrBlanks
5 years 1 month ago

Jamie Mccourt here’s rumor of this and waves her Finger ” Nuh – Uh” – Frank recants 2-3 Million statement 5 minutes later

5 years 1 month ago

The judge in the McCourts divorce proceedings is ready to force the McCourts to sell the Dodgers because they can’t come up with attorneys fees and other case related expenses and suddenly they have $2-3 million left to go and trade for a player?Do they really think we are stupid or uninformed?If the Dodgers are more than 8 games out at the deadline, which at this point is very possible, I can see them being SELLERS, not buyers.

Gumby65
5 years 1 month ago

B.J.? Why not make a slightly bigger splash and go for Crawford… Certainly if they want JMac TB can agree on something for a rental. Too bad Manny is DL’d, because he’d only go to his ultimate 2011 destination 4 months early anyway. Edit on Manny: Are August waivers inter or intraleague (it used to be an issue in the past)?

$3081341
5 years 1 month ago

This is ridiculous. How long does it take to settle a divorce. Seriously. I’d be pissed if I were a Dodger fan. Hey I got an idea, she gets half, you half, DONE DEAL.

jeffmaz
5 years 1 month ago

Hopefully it goes on til next year’s trade deadline – and drives the Dodger payroll down to $1. If they split the team (split the baby), neither one of them can pay off the other for their half, since all the money (what little is left) is tied up in the team.

If you haven’t read this article, you should

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5374371

Table
5 years 1 month ago

No, we just don’t think Maholm is worth one of our or any team’s top ten prospects. He is league average.

Gumby65
5 years 1 month ago

This place (at least momentarily) is resembling the laugh-a-minute/facepalm-a-second luster of the MLB.COM comments section.

5 years 1 month ago

The odds of all of your top ten prospects, or likely even half of your top ten prospects, being as good as Maholm (even if he is league average as you say) are pretty bad.

dire straits
5 years 1 month ago

You shouldn’t feed trolls

5 years 1 month ago

Because Maholm is back of the rotation garbage with a 4.50 K/9 and all of the defense-independent stats having him as a 4.50 ERA pitcher and a “B” prospect is exactly what he would be if he were still a prospect?

5 years 1 month ago

The dodgers have 10 guys in the minors with the upside to be at least a #4 like Maholm is at his BEST.

Withrow, Martin, Miller, Webster, De La Rosa, Gould, Wallach, Leach, Eovaldi, Pimentel, Magill, and Sexton. That’s twelve.

ivdown
5 years 1 month ago

How about screw Maholm, we don’t want him (the fans anyway).

5 years 1 month ago

Because they’d obviously get more than just one “B” prospect.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

Because they would be trading for more team controlled years at a cheaper price, and I also would assume the B prospect/s would have the upside to be better than Maholm.

5 years 1 month ago

Lol. Just because you are completely ignorant on the matter….

ThinkBlue10
5 years 1 month ago

and you stop smoking that crackk.
maholm is a sorry pitcher and none of our top prospects should be traded to get him. i dont even know why we are interested in him, hes trash.

5 years 1 month ago

They all have to potential to outperform Maholm.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

The point of a prospect is they are a developing project with a chance to become a major league talent. Each team has ruffly 50 legit prospects at different stages of their farm at one time. Each has the potential to be a bellow average major leaguer (bench player/back of the bullpen) at least.

The top ten prospects in a given system are those thought of as having either the highest upside/ceiling (Dee Gordon), or the highest percentage chance of reaching the majors (Josh Lindblom). Players in a top ten often have above average major league material, and borderline major league floors. If a team is lucky they might have a few potential stars or superstars (Pedro Alvarez). Bottom line, it is not in the least bit ridiculous to think a given farm system has 10 potentially league average players.

To me an A prospect is one that has the potential to be in the top 33% of the game at their position, not an allstar but good. B prospects which are often seen in the 11-20 range of a farm aught to have league average potential. C prospects might be average pen arms, 5th outfielders, backups, etc. Bellow that is organizational depth or extremely raw risky types. Obviously it is not cut and dry because he who is a C at one moment can rise to a B and vice verse.

I don’t think the Dodgers need Maholm, but say one of their starters had a season ending injury and he was my target replacement. I would offer two Bs or one B and a C, in either case I would demand the Pirates pay a large portion of Maholm’s remaining salary. Basically you are looking at Ivan Dejesus and Scott Elbert. The upside for the Pirates is they get a potential average second baseman and potential above average lefty reliever, and they get them for many years. Downside is they lose one and a half years of team control for an average pitcher.

It’s late and this seems redundant to me. Probably some errors in my reasoning, but basically this is what I think.

5 years 1 month ago

The pirates needing help doesn’t magically spread pixie dust all over Paul Maholm turning him into anything more than a #4 with luck.

5 years 1 month ago

Despite my absolute lack of knowledge of the Dodgers system, I’m going to call that completely false. Unless by “potential” you mean several of them could potentially be praying to Jesus to come down and tap them with his talent wand.

moonraker45
5 years 1 month ago

potential is an extremely vague and loose term.

5 years 1 month ago

Other than Gordon, the Dodgers have no prospects that are grading out to be anything more than league average.

Before their complete collapses in AA and High A respectively this season I would have said Withrow and Martin did as well. Not now though.

But thats it.

A bunch of future relievers and some below average to average position players. Trayvon Robinson may someday be a solid player, but other than that I am not impressed. No super stars there.

thegrayrace
5 years 1 month ago

I’d add Ely to that list. Heck, maybe even McDonald.

5 years 1 month ago

Can only get “B” prospects out of Dodgers system. There ARE no “A” prospects to get. Dee Gordon is a B+ and the highest grade in the system.

vtadave
5 years 1 month ago

As a Dodgers fan, I implore you to ignore Taylor. I know the Dodgers don’t have 10 guys in the minors who will be better than Maholm. I like quite a few of their pitching prospects, but come on…

5 years 1 month ago

Withrow is a BA-listed prospect with 1/2 type potential. Not going to say much more.

Miller is listed above in the article, could be as good as a 2.

Same for Martin and Webster, Ethan Martin has control problems but great stuff and Webster is a projection guy who added 3 MPH to his fastball and has even more room to grow, they’re both 2/3 type guys.

Tim Wallach is a guy who throws low-90’s with good movement, a solid change and slider and good command. He has projection left but is otherwise just a 3/4 type pitcher.

Magill’s a question mark as to whether he could manage to be a 4/5 starter, and it depends on him adding velocity with his projection, but otherwise i suppose you could count him out.

Eovaldi has the potential to be a middle of the rotation guy who throws up to 96mph with decent movement, but he’s coming off of surgery so his velocity is not consistent. He also has an average curve and a developing change.

Gould is a low-90’s pitcher with a plus-plus curve who was drafted out of high school last year. He has an average change that can improve, and his command is above average for a high school arm. He could be as good as a #2 but it depends on his command and change.

Sexton is one of those guys that has the ceiling of a 3/4 but is extremely unlikely to reach that potential. #5 is more likely, if you want you can cross him off the list.

I can’t find Pimentel’s or De La Rosa’s scouting report. I know De La Rosa is middle of the rotation at best and Pimentel is a #4/5 type.

And when i listed those prospects, i didn’t even include McDonald or Ely. Ely is basically a slightly better version of Maholm with major league experience who’s currently in AAA, and McDonald is a #3/4 that’s ML ready.

Brent Leach is a former reliever who held his own in the MLB last year who got sent down to become a starter. He has three above average pitches with a low 90’s fastball, a plus change, and a good slurve. Not quite sure what he’ll turn out as as a starter, but a #4 isn’t at all out of reach.

5 years 1 month ago

The dodgers draft heavy in pitchers. There are three reasons why the farm isn’t highly regarded:

1) Most of the guys listed above are very raw
2) Despite the quantity available, the dodgers haven’t had a high draft pick in a while, so there’s no one with true ace potential like Kershaw anymore.
3) There isn’t as much in the way of hitting prospects. Sands, Garcia, Gordon, and Lambo are pretty much it as far as the big guns go, and Garcia is freshly drafted and Lambo’s been stagnant for a year and a half.

5 years 1 month ago

I smell a lot of relievers and guys whose luster has faded. I think your being pretty optimistic here.

moonraker45
5 years 1 month ago

You can take out all the names you just listed and insert the names of SP from the minors systems of every other team in the league.. the bottom line, and I think why you are catching so much flak for your comments, is because ofcourse they have potential. They wouldn’t be drafted and playing baseball if they didn’t. but to go out and say that all of these kids will be better then someone who has already made it is absurd. atleast 3-5 of these kids may not even make the majors, some will be demoted to bullpen duties, factor in injuries and you’re left with 1 or 2 maybe to move up and become better major leaguers then Maholm..

ivdown
5 years 1 month ago

Lol, no further need to respond to you, you know abso-f*cking-lutely nothing about the Dodgers.

Kershaw is one of the top 15 pitchers in baseball this year.
Billingsley is having a good year, and has been unlucky to this point. Complete game shutout last night, man he’s dreadful.
Padilla, if you haven’t noticed, and judging by your lack of any actual knowledge, you haven’t, Padilla has done INCREDIBLY well since coming off of the DL.

Go back to rooting watching ESPN for your baseball insight.

5 years 1 month ago

On the contrary, if i wanted to go for fading luster i’d be telling you about Elbert.

Like i said, they’re all raw. About half are guys with the stuff but not the track record. If you want to cut it down to five, Miller, Withrow, Martin, Webster, and Gould are all solid #2 prospects who a trade for Maholm would not bring back under any reasonable circumstances.

ivdown
5 years 1 month ago

I believe the Dodgers have at least 8 minor league pitchers who will end up at least as good as Maholm is. That’s not because they are super prospects, it’s because MAHOLM IS NOT A GOOD PITCHER. MAHOLM IS AVERAGE.

I don’t know how to spell that out any louder for these Pirates fans or this other guy you responded to who knows nothing about the Dodgers.

5 years 1 month ago

I never said that they’re all going to be better than Maholm. I said they all have the potential to be better than Maholm. Learn2Read.

5 years 1 month ago

“The dodgers have 10 guys in the minors with the upside to be at least a #4″

Is exactly what i said.

moonraker45
5 years 1 month ago

Learn to make less broad and pointless assumptions then. Here’s my turn

The Dodgers have atleast 10 prospects who potentially could hit 20 Hr’s in the majors.

5 years 1 month ago

Hey like I said, you could absolutely be right. But I’ll tell you right now that over at minorleagueball they’re talking about Gordon+Sands+SP prospect for Mahom+Dotel+Cash. That seems a little extreme to me, but some of those guys are really into prospecting and seem to think it could be realistic.

5 years 1 month ago

They might potentially be better than Maholm, but GMs would trade a guy who could potentially equal the return in the trade in 3,4,5 years. That’s just how it goes.

5 years 1 month ago

That is ridiculous. Colletti wouldn’t even give up Gordon for Cliff Lee.

5 years 1 month ago

Again, not my argument either way. I have no opinion on this matter. I will say that Maholm is cheaper and under control for several more years than Lee, and is younger. And obviously an inferior pitcher.

ivdown
5 years 1 month ago

Lol. Just lol.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

Most team’s top ten prospects don’t have superstar potential, that’s why we call them superstars. Gordon is overrated and not the Dodger prospect with the best shot at being above average.

The Dodgers have many starters that were in the low minors and have just recently been moving into the higher levels. You may not know them or be impressed with them now, but you will in a year or two.

There is NO reason for the Dodgers to covet Maholm, they don’t have a shortage in their starting rotation as widely advertised. They have 4 good starters and plenty of options for the 5th.

To trade for Maholm now when the Dodgers don’t need him and could sign someone equally talented in the offseason would be dumb. Especially when it means you can hang on to the prospects you have, regardless of how highly rated the prospects may be. It is just not smart to give away prospects if you don’t have to.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

Just because Gordon has been overhyped doesn’t mean he is actually the team’s top prospect. I have Miller, Withrow, Jansen and Sands ahead of him. If the Pirates don’t like the Dodger’s prospects, that’s cool with me.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

Pirates might come back and say, no we want Chris Withrow. I say why trade a guy with above average starter potential for an average starter? Sense we all know not all prospects pan out the plan should be to stockpile these guys and hope 25% of them get close to their potential.

No I don’t want to pay 6 mill for Maholm next year and then lose him after that, I will hold on to my prospect who could be better and cheaper three years from now.

5 years 1 month ago

There’s several problems with your reasoning from the Pirates perspective. First of all, Maholm has multiple years of team control remaining following this season, not just next year. That obviously raises his value in a trade.

You say that B level prospects are generally found from 11-20 in an individual farm system, but I doubt you’ll find many systems (if any) where there are 10 legitimate guys with a ranking above a B. You are basically saying that farm systems have 10 guys who have the potential to be in the top 1/3 of all players at their positions in the majors, and ten more who could be league average, which is still pretty valuable depending on the position. I’m not buying this argument.

Another problem is that you have said the most you would offer is two B level prospects for Paul Maholm, who at worst is a league average pitcher. Therefore, you’re saying that you’d offer the Pirates two guys who you define as having a 25% chance of being league average for a Pitcher who has already achieved at least that status and is under contract for several more years. Why would the Pirates do that, and why would the Dodgers even bother making that offer when it’s clear the Pirates won’t accept that.

Another issue here is that your offer is a second basemen and a reliever, and again, neither of these players is a slam dunk to be even average at their positions in the majors. The Pirates have a young, cheap, highly productive second baseman right now in Neil Walker, and aren’t looking for a replacement whatsoever. They also place little value on average relievers, as evidenced by their treatment of Matt Capps this offseason an their complete blowup of the bullpen. So again I ask, why would the Pirates trade their best pitcher, under contract for multiple years beyond this one, for a backup second basemen who might be trash and a lefty reliever who would likely be behind Javy Lopez and Daniel Moskos in the LHP role out of the bullpen next season?

Bucs666
5 years 1 month ago

Great! Fourth place it is! And the Pirates will get better prospects from somebody else, anyway.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

Maholm is signed through 2011 with a 9 million dollar 2012 option. Nobody would pay him 9 million, so basically trading for him would be getting a year and two months of Maholm, Pirates get a combined 10 or 12 years of team controlled players.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

By the way, I said team’s should hope 25% pan out, I am not saying it is a statistical fact.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

Forget all past conversation for a moment. Can you explain why the Dodgers should even be interested in Maholm in the first place, what does he give them that they don’t already have?

Table
5 years 1 month ago

If Maholm is so good, and under contract for multiple years, why trade him at all, don’t the Pirates want to win too? It seems like if he is so good they could sign him up longterm, he is only 29 right?

Table
5 years 1 month ago

About the whole B prospect 11-20 range, it is hard to explain because obviously it is not so easy as saying one guy is A other is B, there are lots of questions and speculation going on all the time with guys at all different levels of system. Often times there are a number of guys that are too early in their development to know if they are true prospects, you can’t tell until high A or AA. So the 11-20 guys might be a mix of borderline prospects and guys that could be top prospects but have yet to establish themselves. Which team are you a fan of, because I could perhaps explain my reasoning better using them as an example.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

Dejesus and Elbert may not be a great offer, but a year or two ago they were considered the top hitting and pitching prospect in the system before they each missed a year to injury. Since returning Elbert has struggled with command and Dejesus has a lower walk rate. Seeing as how the bucks have monopolized the market for failed top prospects (Milledge, Larouche, Clement, Tabata, etc) I could see them having interest in those two. Say the Dodges throw in a younger pitching prospect say Matt Magill and the Pirates throw in a few mill, that looks like a deal to me.

thegrayrace
5 years 1 month ago

Haha. Like Maholm is going to save the Dodgers from 4th place?! He might give them 1 win over the rotating door of 5th starters they already have (Ely, McDonald, Monasterios).

ThinkBlue10
5 years 1 month ago

haha so your saying maholm would push us to the playoffs? i think maholm would just make us worst. and you wont get much for maholm because he ISN’T GOOD.

5 years 1 month ago

Nobody would pay Maholm 9 million, but Randy Wolf gets 10 million per year in his thirties and Suppan gets 12 a year in his thirties, both from a small market team? What’s wrong with this picture?

Table
5 years 1 month ago

You shouldn’t bring up two of the stupidest worst contracts in recent history to support your argument, because that is supporting mine. It would be a mistake to want to pay Maholm 9 million, I want no piece of paying him that much in 2012 when the Dodgers could get someone just as good for 5 million or for 300 k form their farm. So yes, it is correct to view a Maholm acquisition as being for a year and two months. That is not worth more than two B or average prospects. Dee Gordon is overrate and highly flawed, he could end up a career bench/platoon player, but he is worth more than Maholm.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

That is because Gordon has enough upside that he could turn into a Jimmy Rollins type, and even if not that he could be a cheap average SS for 6 years.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

Here is one Dodger blog’s ranking and analysis of the Dodger’s top 50 prospects.

It gives a good idea of why upside and probability need to be equally measured.

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5 years 1 month ago

Go to Memories of Kevin Malone .com and click on the prospect ranking on the left side to get a good idea of where I am coming from. Shows how potential and probable outcomes both need to be looked at.

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5 years 1 month ago

and one that needs to be nourished and held on to, but the Pirates wouldn’t know anything about that.