Ted Lilly Rumors: Wednesday

Ted Lilly may have made his last start as a Cub last night, tossing five-plus shutout innings in Houston while lowering his ERA to 3.69.  The latest on the lefty up top:

  • The Dodgers are more focused on Lilly and Paul Maholm than Roy Oswalt, according to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark.
  • The market for Lilly has picked up, according to Stark (on Twitter). The Tigers are involved, and so are the Dodgers, Twins and Phillies.
  • The Phillies have inquired on Lilly, according to Rosenthal (on Twitter). Ed Price of AOL FanHouse hears rumblings about a possible Lilly-J.A. Happ deal (Twitter link). However, Stark hears that the Phils, who are on the lefty's no-trade list, won't deal Happ for Lilly. The Twins and Dodgers remain involved, but the Mets are waiting to hear "from above" before pursuing Lilly more aggressively, according to Rosenthal. 
  • The Cubs have indicated a recent willingness to assume some of the $4.43MM owed to Lilly, reports ESPN's Jayson Stark.  That'd help the chances of a Dodgers deal.  Unfortunately for the Cubs, potential Lilly suitors like the Mets and Tigers may be reassessing their chances.
  • The Twins have asked about Lilly, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, but their presence on his no-trade list means he'd require additional compensation to accept a deal. 


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93 Comments on "Ted Lilly Rumors: Wednesday"


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mauerfan
4 years 11 months ago

Eh……

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mrsjohnmiltonrocks
4 years 11 months ago

Well, I would like to see Lilly in Minnesota-can you imagine the sight of ‘Lil Ted Lilly standing next to the humongous Joe Mauer at a mound conference? Now THAT would be fun!

Seriously, it would be a good move-Lilly has pitched better than any of the starters on the Twins staff not named Liriano or Pavano.

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twins33
4 years 11 months ago

If you look at ERA only, yes, he’s pitching better. If you look at many other stats, he should be at an ERA in the mid-4’s. He’s better than Blackburn, but about equal to Slowey.

Baker is the opposite of Lilly, they should switch ERA’s because Baker is pitching like Lilly’s ERA and Lilly is pitching like Slowey’s. Lilly pitched A LOT better last year.

I’d say Pavano, Liriano and Baker are better than Lilly. Not sure about Duensing yet, since this will only be his second start.

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jayrig5
4 years 11 months ago

No, he’s pitching fine. Trust me. He’s only gotten hit hard twice. And he’s had zero run support all season. Any team that gets Lilly, especially at a discount, is stealing him. He threw in the low 90’s last night, and he should have thrown about 8 innings, but Jerry Davis had the squeeze on for some reason. (Below the belt was high, at the knees was low, and apparently two inches on either corner didn’t exist.)

Lilly wasn’t really ready to come back in April, and then he had two or three bad starts in the aftermath of his near-no-hitter. Those have inflated some of his numbers. But he’s looked a lot better lately. He’s absolutely pitched better than Baker. I can’t believe the Cubs are willing to pay some of the salary, that just seems pointless.

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Sophist4
4 years 11 months ago

Probably good to point out that xFIP and SIERA diverge pretty strongly on Lilly. SIERA has him as a pretty good, above average, solid #3 pitcher these last few years, while xFIP has him as a back-end guy (mid/high-4s).

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Jiujitsu411420
4 years 11 months ago

Lilly has pitched better than Haren this year and probably almost as well as Oswalt. He should be in pretty high demand for teams in the race. Hopefully the cubs can get a few solid prospects in the deal. I wonder who the cubs will put in the rotation if Lilly leaves? We might see Mr Roid rage aka Zambrano back there again.

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mmontice
4 years 11 months ago

If Lilly is traded, the right move would be to put Cashner back in the starting rotation.

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Soxman17
4 years 11 months ago

You won’t get a few solid prospects for a 2-month rental of a guy with 3 wins this year. And Zambrano isn’t going back into the rotation for the Cubs….maybe ever.

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jdub220
4 years 11 months ago

I don’t think the team Lilly is traded to will care about wins… unless he’s going to Arizona, which I doubt.

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mmontice
4 years 11 months ago

It is often the run support that dictates the amount of wins. The examples are endless.

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studio179
4 years 11 months ago

Yes, In fairness for run support, Lilly has the lowest support in MLB for a starter with his amount of starts. At least that stat was current for him not long ago. I have not looked, but I don’t see it changing upward much. He faced Myers his is last two starts who pitched very well for himself. Lilly received no runs last night and I want to say one run the previous start. Again, I would have to look. Bottom line, the Cubs do not hit for Lilly or consistantly, period.

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studio179
4 years 11 months ago

Yes, In fairness for run support, Lilly has the lowest support in MLB for a starter with his amount of starts. At least that stat was current for him not long ago. I have not looked, but I don’t see it changing upward much. He faced Myers his is last two starts who pitched very well for himself. Lilly received no runs last night and I want to say one run the previous start. Again, I would have to look. Bottom line, the Cubs do not hit for Lilly or consistantly, period.

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4 years 11 months ago

Really? Wins? Jesus I thought we’d went beyond this. That’s like saying a dude leading the league in RBI is the best hitter.

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4 years 11 months ago

Well, wins and RBIs do tell a story. Wins do show an ability to pitch deep into games, enough to qualify. RBIs do belie a manager’s faith in the hitter to put him in an RBI slot.

I remember when I first got into baseball 45 years ago, and tried to affect some trendy stats lingo, just to pretend I knew more than anyone else.

Calm down, and at some point, you’ll understand that the batter isn’t running to go get the ball after he hits it.

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4 years 11 months ago

I’ve still got to disagree with you. You can earn yourself more opportunities for RBI by doing a better job with the bat — or you can be Bengie Molina batting 4th for the Giants the past few years getting 80 RBI a year as a catcher. You can be as defiant as you like with what I said, but both stats are some of the worst to categorize a player.
If Ted Lilly were Rich Harden, I would be much more inclined to agree with you on the W statistic. But he’s been throwing 7+ a majority of the time, and less than 6 IP just 4 times (in accordance with the deep into games comment).
But again — i think both stats have their place, but if we’re describing real value on a player — they don’t belong.

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4 years 11 months ago

I’ve still got to disagree with you. You can earn yourself more opportunities for RBI by doing a better job with the bat — or you can be Bengie Molina batting 4th for the Giants the past few years getting 80 RBI a year as a catcher. You can be as defiant as you like with what I said, but both stats are some of the worst to categorize a player.
If Ted Lilly were Rich Harden, I would be much more inclined to agree with you on the W statistic. But he’s been throwing 7+ a majority of the time, and less than 6 IP just 4 times (in accordance with the deep into games comment).
But again — i think both stats have their place, but if we’re describing real value on a player — they don’t belong.

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Bob George
4 years 11 months ago

Lilly has the lowest run support of any starting pitcher in the majors this season, so you can throw wins out. His other stats are good, and he’s been very consistent over the past 4 years, including this season.

Zambrano will have to go back into the rotation for the Cubs if they ever want to trade him. Nobody is trading for an $18 million per year middle reliever. And keeping Z in the pen is a horrible move. He’s not a great starter anymore, but unless the Cubs are going to cut him, he needs to be in the rotation.

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Jiujitsu411420
4 years 11 months ago

You pretty much have no idea what your talking about Lilly has probably received the lowest run support in the league. If the cubs were scoring runs when he pitched he would probably be leading the team in wins. With the way he’s pitched this year I think it’s safe to say we will get something good in return for him.

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Jiujitsu411420
4 years 11 months ago

You pretty much have no idea what your talking about Lilly has probably received the lowest run support in the league. If the cubs were scoring runs when he pitched he would probably be leading the team in wins. With the way he’s pitched this year I think it’s safe to say we will get something good in return for him.

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BillB325
4 years 11 months ago

not to burst your bubble but a win loss record is a pointless stat.

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4 years 11 months ago

Lilly to Philly!

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mrsjohnmiltonrocks
4 years 11 months ago

Not so fast. He does have home run and fly ball tendencies. That park would be difficult for him.

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studio179
4 years 11 months ago

Wrigley Field and Camden Yards are tied for 6th most HRs while Citizens Bank Park is 17th so far in 2010. It is not an exact indicator of how a pitcher will perform and Lilly is a flyball pitcher, but the odds would benefit him based on that stat.

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studio179
4 years 11 months ago

Wrigley Field and Camden Yards are tied for 6th most HRs while Citizens Bank Park is 17th so far in 2010. It is not an exact indicator of how a pitcher will perform and Lilly is a flyball pitcher, but the odds would benefit him based on that stat.

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4 years 11 months ago

johnmiltonrocks, i can’t believe the name Pavano is in that post…you’re right, but still it seems a little crazy to see

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mrsjohnmiltonrocks
4 years 11 months ago

I know! That’s why it’s so hard to ever give up on pitchers-if they have talent, and don’t give up on themselves, how can you give up on them? I know a lot of pitchers with Pavano’s injury history never make it back, but it’s also true some of them do. He has been solid for the Twins this year.