Troy Tulowitzki Extension Reactions

When we think of extension candidates, we think of players like Albert Pujols or Clayton Kershaw – franchise players nearing free agency or young players establishing themselves as big league stars. Players like Troy Tulowitzki, who already have extensions, don't usually come to mind, but that didn't stop the Rockies from extending Tulo with a $119MM deal that will keep him in Denver through the 2020 season. Here are some reactions to the extension from around the web:

  • ESPN.com's Keith Law writes that the contract is excessive and risky, even though Tulowitzki is "among the ten most valuable position players in baseball."
  • Dave Cameron of FanGraphs says this "seems like a deal [the Rockies] should have sat on for another year at least." 
  • Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe points out that this deal makes Boston's Dustin Pedroia extension look pretty good. Pedroia is under team control through 2015 on a contract that will pay him $44.5MM at most for 2011-15.
  • Yahoo's Jeff Passan argues that argues that the deal is bad for Tulowitzki and "ill-conceived and unconscionable" for the Rockies.
  • I respectfully disagree with Passan on Tulowitzki, who seems to like playing for the Rockies. It seems doubtful that Tulo will regret signing an extension that pays him $20MM per season.


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106 Comments on "Troy Tulowitzki Extension Reactions"


pastlives
4 years 9 months ago

hmm off the top of my head, not entirely certain i’m seeing the parallels between pedroia and tulowitzki

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

Thats what I am thinking…

4 years 9 months ago

Both were players under team control for a few more years that signed long extensions before they went through all of their arbitration years. I don’t think he is comparing their playing style..

4 years 9 months ago

Both were players under team control for a few more years that signed long extensions before they went through all of their arbitration years. I don’t think he is comparing their playing style..

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

Pedroia’s a fellow middle infielder who was locked up with 4 years of team control remaining.

Granted, he was still pre-arbitration, so the real comparison would be Tulo’s original deal and Pedroia’s current deal. Either way, Pedroia’s looks better.

It’s an odd comparison, for sure.

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

Pedroia’s a fellow middle infielder who was locked up with 4 years of team control remaining.

Granted, he was still pre-arbitration, so the real comparison would be Tulo’s original deal and Pedroia’s current deal. Either way, Pedroia’s looks better.

It’s an odd comparison, for sure.

4 years 9 months ago

Dave Cameron from fangraphs was the one who actually pointed it out when, earlier today, he tweeted:
Dustin Pedroia, 2008: +6.6 WAR, 4 years from FA, 6 yr/$40M contract. Tulowitzki, 2010: +6.4 WAR, 4 years from FA, 10 year/$157M contract

Peter Abraham just put it into context

4 years 9 months ago

Dave Cameron from fangraphs was the one who actually pointed it out when, earlier today, he tweeted:
Dustin Pedroia, 2008: +6.6 WAR, 4 years from FA, 6 yr/$40M contract. Tulowitzki, 2010: +6.4 WAR, 4 years from FA, 10 year/$157M contract

Peter Abraham just put it into context

ATL_Mindset
4 years 9 months ago

They both play shortstop?…..

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Pedroia plays 2B.

ATL_Mindset
4 years 9 months ago

Oh, my bad. I meant they both play second base. :0)

ATL_Mindset
4 years 9 months ago

They both play shortstop?…..

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

I’m with you! Tulo > Pedroia and they are two entirely different types of players

MaineSox
4 years 9 months ago

Tulo≈Pedroia as in 17.8 WAR≈17.9 WAR

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 9 months ago

THANK YOU. plus I feel like that Pedy is more valuable to the Sox than Tulo is to the Rockies. There is a reason why Pedroia was MVP he is that good.

4 years 9 months ago

You actually bring up Pedroia as MVP? He didn’t even deserve that award, so maybe you should use something else.

PookieGonzales
4 years 9 months ago

Would you like to tell me who was better that year? Go ahead! And then Insert foot into mouth.

4 years 9 months ago

LOL? Really? He wasn’t even the best on his own team! Youk should have had it. And above all that, going with who actually had a much better year, it should’ve been Mauers.

4 years 9 months ago

LOL? Really? He wasn’t even the best on his own team! Youk should have had it. And above all that, going with who actually had a much better year, it should’ve been Mauers.

You're Killing Me Smalls
4 years 9 months ago

He can try and tell you, but i’m sure his foot is already too far into his mouth to speak….

You're Killing Me Smalls
4 years 9 months ago

He can try and tell you, but i’m sure his foot is already too far into his mouth to speak….

MaineSox
4 years 9 months ago

Saying that MVP isn’t a good “stat” to use when talking about someones value is a fair point, but do you have anything to back up your claim that Pedroia didn’t deserve the MVP or was it just a baseless claim?

MaineSox
4 years 9 months ago

Saying that MVP isn’t a good “stat” to use when talking about someones value is a fair point, but do you have anything to back up your claim that Pedroia didn’t deserve the MVP or was it just a baseless claim?

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 9 months ago

REALLY. Didn’t deserve the award? He hit .326 had 17 HR 83 RBI 213 hits 54 doubles 118 runs scored 20 stolen bases and 1 caught stealing. OH and by the way Silver Slugger and Gold Glove that year. He was the reason why they made it to the ALCS that year. AND if you think Morneau should have won it well he hit .26 less than Pedroia had 26 less hits. OH and Morneau 74 extra base hits Pedroia 73. Little guy played LARGE.

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

No he didnt deserve the award, Youk probably deserved it more. But with that said even if he had the best numbers which he didn’t his numbers still wouldn’t be considered elite when looking back at past MVP numbers. If anything he was helped out considerably by players like Quinton getting injured.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah Youkilis had a good year that year no doubt, but Pedroia was more valuable. It is easier to replace a good corner infielder than it is to replace a good middle infielder. Carlos getting hurt maybe hurt his chances, but as we saw this year…getting hurt does not necessarily mean you lose the award. Josh Hamilton ring a bell? He got hurt, and he still won MVP. And I can guarantee he DID deserve it this year.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah Youkilis had a good year that year no doubt, but Pedroia was more valuable. It is easier to replace a good corner infielder than it is to replace a good middle infielder. Carlos getting hurt maybe hurt his chances, but as we saw this year…getting hurt does not necessarily mean you lose the award. Josh Hamilton ring a bell? He got hurt, and he still won MVP. And I can guarantee he DID deserve it this year.

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

No he didnt deserve the award, Youk probably deserved it more. But with that said even if he had the best numbers which he didn’t his numbers still wouldn’t be considered elite when looking back at past MVP numbers. If anything he was helped out considerably by players like Quinton getting injured.

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

could agree more

MaineSox
4 years 9 months ago

Tulo≈Pedroia as in 17.8 WAR≈17.9 WAR

kray1000
4 years 9 months ago

I think I just had a Mike Hampton flashback.

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

Hes a great player and I really hope this contract will work out for the Rockies.

wickedkevin
4 years 9 months ago

Granted Tulo and Pedroia are two completely different players, but this shows a strength for Epstien. The contracts to Youk, Pedroia, and Lester are all quite team friendly. This really puts it into perspective though.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Oh stop trying to find reason #102 to suck up to Theo. The Tulo deal makes the Rockies Gm look a little suspect more so than it helps Theo look anymore intelligent than he did on Sunday. It’s not exactly earth shattering intelligence to sign a player who’s had two or three all-star caliber years to an extension that buys out there arb years and maybe a couple of free agent years too.

4 years 9 months ago

Wow. Change your name before you respond to a Boston fan’s comments about Theo. Nobody in their right mind is even going to listen to a Yankee fan talk about anything. And no, I’m not a Boston fan, both teams could go to hell for all I care.
PS. – Putting the date in your name just screams bandwagoner.

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

You really added a lot to this conversation congratulations. Who cares if someone has the year they became a fan in their screen name, espially one as far back as the year 1978, you do realize if he was a true winner picker he probably wouldnt of stuck with the team in the 80s. I for one was born in 91 so i probably to became a fan while they won a ws, it doesnt necessarily mean anything. Besides all that, it’s just plain ignorant to ignore a poster becuase he roots for a certain team.

wickedkevin
4 years 9 months ago

It is ignorant to ignore a poster for their team, I agree. However, it is not ignorant to ignore responding to such an arrogant post.

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

Which is why your response was more than appropriate.

4 years 9 months ago

I like how you try to ignore the fact that your fellow Yankees fan makes no sense whatsoever and only uses that opportunity to bash another poster and team. Reread my post, then look up the definition for irony.

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

If you had made your post attacking him i’d be fine with it but instead you chose to bash yankees fans in general, honestly if your post didnt catch my attention i would’ve replied to his message as well. I also know or think i know this poster from the espn board and have ignored him for some time. But if it makes you feel better i’ll post what i would’ve have posted now.

4 years 9 months ago

If you thought my attacks on Yankee fans were baseless, you should have ignored me. You didn’t. So you must know what I’m talking about, and want to defend yourself from what I say. Makes sense, and I don’t blame you. Yankees fans are notorious for a reason.

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

You attacked yankees, i am yankee fan so obviously i would defend myself that doesnt make what you said any less baseless. I only agreed with the notion that 73er was a bad poster, but if you were to ask me my opinion on most yankee fans i encountered i would say that i thought positively of most of them. If you were to ask which fans i think were the worst i would say A’s fans yet if i saw an A’s fan posting here i would never say anything that ignorant. You can go on about fanbases reputations all you want but you arent doing your own reputation any good.

4 years 9 months ago

Judging by your posts, I’d say you care a little too much about how people perceive you on the internet. Having a hard time in high school? I guess I could understand caring that much if I didn’t have many friends in reality. It’s ok though. I’ve obviously hurt your feelings. Pity me.

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

Judging by your post it seems to me that someone took a psych class in college and now thinks he’s the reincarnation of freud. I’m not sure how you figured that someone born in 91 would still be in highschool but then again it’s clear you’re not too bright.

4 years 9 months ago

Judging by your posts, I’d say you care a little too much about how people perceive you on the internet. Having a hard time in high school? I guess I could understand caring that much if I didn’t have many friends in reality. It’s ok though. I’ve obviously hurt your feelings. Pity me.

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

You attacked yankees, i am yankee fan so obviously i would defend myself that doesnt make what you said any less baseless. I only agreed with the notion that 73er was a bad poster, but if you were to ask me my opinion on most yankee fans i encountered i would say that i thought positively of most of them. If you were to ask which fans i think were the worst i would say A’s fans yet if i saw an A’s fan posting here i would never say anything that ignorant. You can go on about fanbases reputations all you want but you arent doing your own reputation any good.

4 years 9 months ago

If you thought my attacks on Yankee fans were baseless, you should have ignored me. You didn’t. So you must know what I’m talking about, and want to defend yourself from what I say. Makes sense, and I don’t blame you. Yankees fans are notorious for a reason.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Nope..not me. This is the only board I post on. I really don’t get what the backlash of what I said was. Ppl need hugs now a days.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Really? 1978 is the year I attended my first game. Later that day I went to Burger King and they were giving out Yankee team sets of baseball cards. Bucky Dent and Ed Figueroa. I was a kid at the time so I’m not sure how bandwagon comes in. I hope that was sarcasm.

johnsilver
4 years 9 months ago

Last year I actually attended a game at Fenway park also YFS 78 and.. It was the Yankee massacre series when the Yanks pretty much knocked Boston out before they fought back again before that 1 game playoff after the season. Anyway.. No sense in anyone attacking one of the nice NYY fans here for sure.

4 years 9 months ago

Wow. Change your name before you respond to a Boston fan’s comments about Theo. Nobody in their right mind is even going to listen to a Yankee fan talk about anything. And no, I’m not a Boston fan, both teams could go to hell for all I care.
PS. – Putting the date in your name just screams bandwagoner.

wickedkevin
4 years 9 months ago

Did you say something?

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah. I said that Theo isn’t any smarter than he was before the Rockies signed Tulo to another extension. Never said Theo wasn’t smart. However, the Rockies signing Tulo to a premature extension 4 years before his current deal ends doesn’t make the Pedroia signing look any better in retrospect.

If ppl would get their heads from out of their hineys (spelling ???) then they would have noticed it wasn’t an insult to Theo at all.

wickedkevin
4 years 9 months ago

Settle down guy. All I was stating is that this contract puts into perspective how great of deals those were. I never said he was smarter now or anything either. Just that I always knew they were good deals, but seeing Tulo’s deal emphasizes the deals Theo made. Calm down, it’s the internet. A SERIES OF TUBES.

wickedkevin
4 years 9 months ago

Did you say something?

El_Bobo
4 years 9 months ago

all-star? I think you meant to say MVP caliber

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

It’s not sucking up to theo it’s the truth the deals he made with players like Pedoira and Youkillis were very solid and quite unbelievable. Sure getting players to give up years of arbitration for real money wasn’t a technique epstein invented (im not sure where kevin says that) but it was two great deals. Cano for instance was signed to such a deal and it’s undeniably less of a bargain. Just because epstien is the gm of a rival team doesnt mean you shouldnt give him credit for the good moves he’s done. In many ways it;’s this attitude that turns posters into junior ballbags.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Wow…do ppl just read what they want to read? Am I missing something? Did I ever make mention of the “brilliance” of Brian Cashman or any other Yankee official? No, I don’t think I did. So take your bi-partisan opinion and shove it. It IS or SHOULD be possible for poster “A” to make a comment about “X” w/o someone pulling something out their “a**” that has nothing to do w/ anything.

But since you mentioned it.

Cano’s deal- 4/$30 mil w/ a $14 mil and $15 mil option. Potential total value of 6/$59- Potential annual avg of $10 mil per.
-Signed after his 3rd full season. Buys out 3 arb years, 1 free agent year and possibly 2 more FA years w/ the 2 options.

Pedroia’s deal-6/$40 mil w/ a $11 mil option. Potential total value of 7/$51- Potential annual avg of $7 mil per.
-Signed after 2nd full season. Buys out 1 cost controled year, 3 arbitration years. 2 FA agent years and possibly 1 more w/ the option.

Youk’s deal-4/$41 w/ a $13 mil option. Potential total value of 5/$54 mil. Potential avg of just under $11 mil per.
-Signed after his 4th season. Buys out 2 arb years. 2 FA years and possibly a 3rd w/ the option.

All three deals are relatively good ones. W/ Cano the Yanks

a) bought out all 3 of his arb years
b) committed themselves to fewer years than Pedroia’s deal and fewer total dollars than either Pedroia or Youks in case Cano became a bust.
c) The Yanks reward Cano better for his two FA years compared to Pedroia but Cano’s performance is more comparable to a power hitting 1B (like Youks) compared to a 2B.

Finaly, I have a lot of respect for Theo and what he’s built in Boston. However, if Boston fans would get their heads out the clam chowder bowl then you can agree that signing young star players to team friendly deals aren’t exactly the machinations of a super intelectual GM and in fact is quite routine among most players not represented by Scott Boras (see Aaron Hill, Adam Lind, Rickey Romero, Brian McCann, Ryan Braun, Yovnai Gallardo, Adam Wainwright, Chris Young, Juston Upton, etc). It’s something that literally every GM worth his salt does.

I was simply pointing out to the guy that the Tulo deal doesn’t, in retrospect, make Theo any smarter than he was before Tulo got his extention. One has nothing to do with the other and my comments shouldn’t have been taken as an insult or warranted any comparison to Cashman who I have never refered to as a genius.

Meatball1
4 years 9 months ago

Good for Tulo. I’m a Giants fan, but he’s definitely my favorite player of this generation

4 years 9 months ago

Yikes. I guess the Rockies can justify this move from a revenue standpoint. You know as a fan what jersey is not going to be irrelevant in ten years at least. How many players can you say that about? Clearly the Rockies are thinking about Christmas with this one.

4 years 9 months ago

Tulo deal will work fine. But I would have pushed for club options on the last 3-4 years of his contract. Players can always decline after age 32-34.

4 years 9 months ago

Tulo deal will work fine. But I would have pushed for club options on the last 3-4 years of his contract. Players can always decline after age 32-34.

4 years 9 months ago

Why does the fact that Tulo and Pedroia are different types of players make the comparison bad if they provide similar value? (Which they do.) The only thing that messes up the comparison is that Pedroia was still arbitration-eligible, which really makes a comparison to Tulo’s old deal a lot more apt.

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

Because they play different position Tulo and Hanley are the best at their weak position while the second base position has quite a few more names.

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

Because they play different position Tulo and Hanley are the best at their weak position while the second base position has quite a few more names.

4 years 9 months ago

Why does the fact that Tulo and Pedroia are different types of players make the comparison bad if they provide similar value? (Which they do.) The only thing that messes up the comparison is that Pedroia was still arbitration-eligible, which really makes a comparison to Tulo’s old deal a lot more apt.

AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs
4 years 9 months ago

Passan is only pissed because that’s one less FA rumor and controversy that he can pull at of his pockets on to Yahoo. This is great for Tulo.

AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs
4 years 9 months ago

Passan is only pissed because that’s one less FA rumor and controversy that he can pull at of his pockets on to Yahoo. This is great for Tulo.

4 years 9 months ago

Good for him but terrible for baseball and the Rockies. They should have went with a Tampa Bay Rays type approach on this. Again, I am not comparing the players like the previous commenters think Abraham is doing with Pedroia, but TB got a nice team friendly long-term deal with Evan Longoria. He will be paid half of what Tulo gets and still be locked up for another 6 years. This seems like way too long, way too much, and way too early.

4 years 9 months ago

It is hard to convince players (and their union) to take deals like Longo’s. I am sure most teams would be all over it if they could.

Zack23
4 years 9 months ago

Longoria signed that deal after being in the big leagues for basically a week. Expecting Tulo to sign anything like that after being in the big leauges for 4 or 5 years makes no sense

4 years 9 months ago

Good for him but terrible for baseball and the Rockies. They should have went with a Tampa Bay Rays type approach on this. Again, I am not comparing the players like the previous commenters think Abraham is doing with Pedroia, but TB got a nice team friendly long-term deal with Evan Longoria. He will be paid half of what Tulo gets and still be locked up for another 6 years. This seems like way too long, way too much, and way too early.

4 years 9 months ago

I’m very excited for this and the intangables that come with it make it completely worth the deal – locking up Tulo will give players like CarGo, Ubaldo, etc. reasons for wanting to stay, knowing he wasn’t going anywhere. Also giving the fans someone they can really get behind for years to come. He has stated he wants to be the best player that has ever played and he wants to be a Rockie for life – both things make him VERY fan friendly…that sells tickets which in turn brings in more revenue for better players to support him. Those are things that you don’t see in stats, etc.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Is that the same sentiment Rocks fans have had for Helton over the past few years too? I’m sure he wanted to be the best too.

4 years 9 months ago

Burnett, A-Rod, Igawa…..need I say more?

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

No but you could say how that’s relevant, for one thing there are much worse contracts you could of picked than listing two guys that helped the Yankees get a WS title, and Igawa who’s paid close to 5 million a year. Furthermore you’re comparing two way different teams as the yankees can afford those players and still have money while the Rockies cant.

4 years 9 months ago

In one of your above posts you stated you were born in ’91, so I won’t hold it against you if you don’t understand some things.

jimboslice9
4 years 9 months ago

And may I ask, how is his age relevant? I think 19 is old enough to understand a comment thread on a baseball related website. Also, YanksFan brought up a valid point, Helton’s deal doesn’t look too good right now, and Tulowitzki’s deal looks a lot similar. Mentioning names of three over-payed players, who play for the Yankees, who can afford them, is not relevant at all. They have no bearing on whether Helton or Tulowitzki are over-payed or not.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Wow….if my name were Brian Cashman or ended in Steinbrenner then maybe what you said would have some impact. But since I’m neither of the aformentioned and am not responsible for those deals and never made the claim that the Yankees were “brilliant geniuses” then I’ll take it for what it is. An unintelligent way of saying “I’m rubber and your glue….”.

4 years 9 months ago

i would for sure say that Helton put butts in the seats – sure, he did have injuries and didn’t completely live up to the $, but the intangables with him were very appealing – at least to me.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Is that the same sentiment Rocks fans have had for Helton over the past few years too? I’m sure he wanted to be the best too.

4 years 9 months ago

I’m very excited for this and the intangables that come with it make it completely worth the deal – locking up Tulo will give players like CarGo, Ubaldo, etc. reasons for wanting to stay, knowing he wasn’t going anywhere. Also giving the fans someone they can really get behind for years to come. He has stated he wants to be the best player that has ever played and he wants to be a Rockie for life – both things make him VERY fan friendly…that sells tickets which in turn brings in more revenue for better players to support him. Those are things that you don’t see in stats, etc.

Quest2b1
4 years 9 months ago

Rockies are trying to turn Denver into a baseball town, taking advantage of a horrible football team without stars (sorry Orton fans lol)

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

They are top 10 in atendance so it’s not like they’re doing that bad right now.

SelenasSmoothie
4 years 9 months ago

Not to mention Melo wanting to leave.

Quest2b1
4 years 9 months ago

Rockies are trying to turn Denver into a baseball town, taking advantage of a horrible football team without stars (sorry Orton fans lol)

ZoinksScoob
4 years 9 months ago

The Rockies may look back on this in about 5 years and think, “didn’t we do this with Todd Helton a while back?” There was no reason to lock Tulo up for that long and for that much, especially with Helton already owed so much deferred money (along with Hampton and Neagle.) I’m not saying that Tulo doesn’t deserve it, but given what’s happened to Helton along the way, it’s not inconceivable that Tulo could strain his back and have the last few years of his career look like Don Mattingly’s as well.

That being said, Albert Pujols just started drooling… that sets the bar pretty high for him and his extension, given what he’s done compared to Tulo. I see $10 beers at Busch Stadium real soon to pay for his extension…

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

He’s a first baseman so he’ll probably be compared to Howard first.

4 years 9 months ago

And? So they compare him to Tulo second. His post still makes sense. The more money a player makes (no matter the position) means it bodes well for all players in the game, not just that certain position.

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

You compare players position to position Tulo got 20 million in large part because he plays ss where hitting is scarce. If he were a first baseman hed get a lot less, gm’s view positional value when making deals and Pujols should probably be compared to other first basemen before guys like Tulo and Muaer and nowhere did i say his post didnt make sense. Besides i dont think Pujols will be looking at another players deals as much as he will just be asking to be the highest paid player.

jjs91
4 years 9 months ago

He’s a first baseman so he’ll probably be compared to Howard first.

Redhawk
4 years 9 months ago

Hampton and Neagle are off the books…..but the reason you bring him up is to point out bad deals….do you really think those 2 were the same type of player as Tulo is? A 26 year old All-star SS, and MVP candidate not at his peak yet, versus 2 pitchers in the non-humidor era and one that had only one good year in his career (Neagle) at his signing?

Helton’s contract is only bad NOW. But he’s had a great career for the Rockies and was worth it for the team, the franchise and the fans. I’m glad Helton is a Rockie for life, and if that means an extra 50c for nacho’s I’ll gladly pay it. It beats seeing him in a Red Sox uniform, while a front office is trying to tell me we aren’t a farm team for the Yankees and the Red Sox