Cashman: Never Made Offer To Chapman

WEDNESDAY, 9:45am: The Yankees "never made an offer" to Chapman, GM Brian Cashman tells ESPN's Buster Olney (Twitter link).

TUESDAY, 10:01pm: The Yankees really liked Aroldis Chapman. A Florida lawsuit against the left-hander's representatives claims that the Yankees made an “offer to Chapman valued at more than $54MM," according to Melissa Segura of SI.com (on Twitter, hat tip to River Ave. Blues).

Chapman, who accepted a six-year, $30.25MM deal from Cincinnati must have really liked the Reds to accept $24MM less from them. The 23-year-old Cuban struck out 19 of the 51 batters he faced in his cameo for the NL Central Champions last year. He posted a 3.57 ERA with 11.8 K/9 and 4.9 BB/9 in 95 2/3 innings at Triple-A before his callup.

The Yankees have a history of bidding on and signing top Cuban pitchers. They signed Orlando Hernandez in 1998 and pried Jose Contreras away from the Red Sox and others in 2003.


135 Responses to Cashman: Never Made Offer To Chapman Leave a Reply

  1. InLeylandWeTrust 4 years ago

    I have a hard time believing this. Why would he turn down that much money?

  2. I don’t believe this.

  3. masonb 4 years ago

    That doesn’t make any sense. Why would his representatives purposely screw themselves out of several million in commission?

    • Yankee_Baal 4 years ago

      If they are being sued, then maybe they didn’t screw themselves out of such commission. Its probable that the sue is about them not informing him about the best possible deal and instead only informing about Cincinnati, maybe because of another factor that favored them.

  4. Ferrariman 4 years ago

    no freaking way.

  5. masonb 4 years ago

    Doesn’t make since. Why would his reps screw themselves out of a million or so in commission?

  6. zonis 4 years ago

    Note to Yankees: Bidding ended a year ago. You can’t just bid 50 million now!

  7. This is stupid & doesn’t make any sense, which means its probably true.

  8. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    Is it April Fools already?

  9. Stl_Great 4 years ago

    Maybe it was like a 15 year deal, or something…

  10. Stl_Great 4 years ago

    Wow, Misclicked…

  11. dgirton88 4 years ago

    Haha no pitcher wants to go to the yanks anymore. He was smart like Cliff Lee.

    • LifeLongYankeeFan 4 years ago

      Yeah turning down almost twice as much money is real smart and Cliff Lee isn’t every pitcher. We got Prior, Garcia and Colon what that’s right sarcasm.

      • Pete 4 years ago

        Some pitchers care about winning more than money. The Yankees arent winning anything anytime soon.

        • GriffeyandSizemore 4 years ago

          lol your funny.

          • dgirton88 4 years ago

            Its true. Their pitching staff is awful outside of CC. Anytime you have AJ Burnett you will suck. Sox own their staff by a mile.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            So did 2009 count as “anytime”? I mean a staff with AJ did win the WS. A staff with AJ came w/in 6 wins of another one as well. You are sooooooooo smart.

          • dgirton88 4 years ago

            I think you Yankee fans need to realize just how bad he was last season. Hes going downhill just like the yanks. Can you please admit how bad your starting 5 is outside CC. Its god awful. Heck the other new york team has a better starting 5 sadly.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            You can entertain whatever thoughts you want to sir. CC, Hughes and AJ are far from the worst threesome in baseball and we won 95 games last year with them AND we had a horrible season from both AJ and Vazquez. If you wish to think the Mets have a better rotation than the Yanks then feel free. You would be wrong but if Sara Pailin can have a platform to voice her opinion then why not you?

          • Slopeboy 4 years ago

            ‘Sox own their staff by a mile’… yeah, that’s what kept the Sox from finishing a mile behind in the final standings these recent years.

          • dgirton88 4 years ago

            More yank fans living in the past. By the way who won the AL east last season? Ill give you a hint it wasn’t a New York or Boston team. Face the facts the yanks are awful this year with that starting 5. I hate the Sox just as much as the yanks but unless something drastic happens they have the AL east on lock.

          • Slopeboy 4 years ago

            Dude, you’re letting your hatred cloud any logical thinking.Talk about living in the past. Burnett has one disastrous year and he becomes the world’s worst pitcher, which makes the entire staff and team terrible. Find a recipe book on how to cook crow, you’re going need it a few times over.

          • dgirton88 4 years ago

            What are you smoking? The guy has been going downhill since the 07 season since then hes had 3 seasons with an era of 4.07, 4.04 and last season a 5.26. He did have 18 wins in 08 but thats the only season hes ever been over 13 wins. Lets face it this guy has never really been “that” great. Hes a 4th or 5th starter on most staffs. Hes not even a 5th starter on the Sox, Phillies, Giants, etc.

        • MB923 4 years ago

          Says the A’s fan

        • LifeLongYankeeFan 4 years ago

          Yeah Lee cares about winning more then money please the Yankees offer wasn’t the highest so that makes no sense and the Yankees still got a pretty good team playoff caliber team. Theres also a thing called the trade deadline Liriano may not be available now but if he stays healthy the first half the Yankees will try to trade for him if their starters aren’t cutting it or try and acquire another quality pitcher. They’re in better shape now then they were 5 years ago they went from having one of the worst farm systems to I think they’re in the top 5 now. Its not easy having a very good team with a great farm system as well.

    • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

      It wasn’t that. He heard raving reviews about the original Skyline’s chilli. Who could compete with that?

    • MB923 4 years ago

      And Sabathia was stupid right?

  12. This doesn’t make sense. I mean on the yankees’ part, after the whole contreras thing, would they really throw $50+ mil at an unproven guy again?

    • OrangeCards 4 years ago

      haha, yes.

    • The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

      Yankees did the same with throwing money at Kei Igawa

      • They made it rain on Igawa. He returned the favor by making it rain on the fans in the left field bleachers.

  13. It means the Reds slipped the agents more money than what they would have gotten from the Yankee deal.

  14. So the Yankees can now sue people for not taking their money? What a world we live in…

    • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

      No where in the article did it say the Yanks were suing anyone.

      Jose Carlos Thompson is a close friend of Chapman’s, a cuban born player, a employee of the sports agents Hendricks Bros…….and oh……a 2B prospect that just signed with the Houston Astros.

      My guess is that he somehow played a role in either hooking Chapman up with the Hendricks Brothers and was promised something by them if they got Chapman to sign with them or maybe was a go between the Yanks and Champman when the Yanks were schmoozing him when he visited NY back in 09. And remember, there was a lawsuite from Athletes Premier Intl, the original agents Chapman had, that claimed the Hendricks Sports Mngmnt stole Chapman from them and made promises while he was being repped by HSM. Thompson being CHapman’s close friend and an employee of Hendricks Sports Mngmnt obviously indicates he was instrumental in getting Chapman to switch agents.

      “The lawsuit accuses Hendricks of tortious interference and unjust enrichment, claiming that Athletes Premier “invested substantial time and hundreds of thousands of dollars” on Chapman’s behalf to help him defect, establish residency in Andorra and begin negotiating with major league teams.

      The suit claims that “Hendricks and its employees made material false and disparaging statements to Chapman concerning Athletes Premier and Mejia as well as provided improper enticements to Chapman in order to cause Chapman to terminate his contract with Athletes Premier and sign a contract with Hendricks.”

      • That lawsuit got settled though.

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          I know. Just making the connection between Thompson (Chapman’s good friend) and fellow Cuban, who despite being a minor lge baseball player (recently signed by the Astros) was also a Hendricks Sprts Mngmt “employee” who is now suing Hendricks, with the Yankees offer of $54 mil obviously playing some role in the suit. My guess is, if you read between the lines, Thompson was instrumental in getting Chapman to leave Athletes Intl and moving to Hendricks. My guess is that he was employed to lure Chapman to Hendricks and didn’t get paid what he was promised or something like that.

    • They are going to sue the fans that angered lee’s wife.

  15. kimofromkauai 4 years ago

    There was an article, sorry link misplaced, that Chapmans representatives screwed up the tax consequences of his signing bonus. Something about the money should have been received prior to Jan 1 to avoid non resident taxes.

    There was also another issue – I recall him changing representatives. So maybe the whole affair was “Amateur Hour”.

  16. ZeroZeroZero 4 years ago

    When Chapmans arm explodes and sprays bits of Cuban shrapnel all over Great American Ballpark, the Yankees will be happy they dont have all that money guaranteed to him.

  17. Just b/c the Yankees deal is valued at 54 million doesn’t mean that that was the contract price.

    Right now, Aroldis is due to receive at least 35 million. That’s not counting 3 arb years. If he is arb eligible after 2013, he receives at least 38 million, plus three arb years. I’m sure in this lawsuit the lawyers maxed out the arb payments, something like 5 milllion, 8 million, 11 million.

    That kind of “fuzzy” math gets the Reds offer up to 62 million in “value”.

    • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

      I could careless if he didn’t sign but I don’t follow you. The arb years can’t be pre-determined or else it would be guaranteed years.

      • could care less implies you care more then minimum because you have room to not care…

      • In a lawsuit “value” is just going to be some pie in the sky, semi exaggerated #, especially when variables come into play. Since Chapman’s initial contract includes 3 arb years, the lawyers will include the anticipated figures for those 3 years in the lawsuit when determining the “value” of the offer.

      • grownice 4 years ago

        couldnt careless 😉

  18. LA Angels 4 years ago

    Good… Now the Yankees won’t have a guy throwing some freaking heat… Helps AL league a lot… No one like the Yankees unless they live in new York or bandwagon fans… And there is a alot over here in California…

    • MB923 4 years ago

      “No one like the Yankees unless they live in new York or bandwagon fans”

      —-

      That could be said about any franchise. No one likes the Royals unless they live in KC. No one likes the Padres unelss they live in SD. No one likes the Brewers unless they live in Milwaukee.

    • So what you are saying is that no one like(not likes) the yankees except new yorkers and people who cheer for them when they are in the postseason(so quite frequently).

      In other words, no one likes them except for their fans….ummm ok?

  19. So, what’s going to happen now? Are the Stankees gonna whine, the Reds deal becomes nullified that they have to turn Chapman over to them, and he’s awarded 54 million?! I can see it now. MLB atop a hog pen, throwing pacifiers down to them.

  20. Bob9988 4 years ago

    nope

  21. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Didn’t Chapman switch representatives at some point before he signed? Perhaps his old agents were working on the Yankee deal before hand…

    Doesn’t make any sense to leave that much money on the table, not before you throw an MLB pitch.

  22. $6592481 4 years ago

    can someone explain to me what the lawsuit is all about? I can’t find it anywhere. I find it hard to believe that a lawsuit would be brought up just because he didn’t sign for more money.

    • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

      Yeah, that does seem odd. Not really terms for legal action. I’m guessing that the lawsuit is against Chapman’s representatives who did not tell him of the Yanks’ offer? But even that doesn’t make sense. Why would they not want more money? I’m lost as well.

      • pft2 4 years ago

        All of that money goes to Chapman less commission. Maybe his representatives worked out a side deal that got them more than the Yankees commission would have.

    • the Florida lawsuit against Hendricks was about Rodney Fernandez, an Agent working for the Hendricks allegedly stealing about $300k from Kendry Morales’ bank account.

      So theres some shady stuff going on with the Hendricks.

      Supposedly Fernandez says the Hendricks brothers knew about this and approved it and were supposed to reimburse the account but never did. And then it was discovered by Morales in December while Chapman was being shopped around. So when the news surfaced the Hendricks told Fernandez to keep quiet so it would not effect the Chapman sweepstakes.

      I’m sure more news about it will surface soon

  23. Todd Smith 4 years ago

    Maybe he signed with the Reds thinking it would be easier and faster to break into the rotation of a smaller market team like the Reds than trying to break into the Yankees rotation.

    Oops.

    • Pete 4 years ago

      Yeah dont let logic or the plain fact that maybe he didnt want to play on the east coast. I seem to remember it leaking out that it came down to him choosing between the Reds and the A’s, because he liked how both teams handled bringing up their pitchers. I maybe saw that in a tweet somewhere by I want to say Gammons or someone of that ilk.

  24. John 4 years ago

    If I remember correctly, the Hendricks brothers and the Yankees have had some issues in the past. Doesn’t surprise me.

  25. it would make sense to me that the Yankees would have offerd that much come on they gave 20+million to Kei Igawa so why wouldn’t they give 54million to a guy who throws north of 100mph! He obviously didn’t take the highest offer because in my mind there is no way cincinatti would have the highest bid! Im guessing there were probably 2-3bigger offers from bigger clubs.

  26. $7562574 4 years ago

    who wants to go to that “rat” infested team other than rats anyway.

    • roomwithamoose 4 years ago

      and lemme guess the team you root for is a “master race” of players?

  27. MB923 4 years ago

    ^^^ Awaits Hank Steinbrenner’s comments

  28. First Yankee post in a while where I didn’t see trolls everywhere. Then again, a proposal could throw a conversation off track.

  29. optionn 4 years ago

    This just seems like someone who didn’t finalize a deal legally, so he is suing to see if the courts will award him a commission arising out of the deal that fell through.

  30. MB923 4 years ago

    “The Yankees “never made an offer” to Chapman, GM Brian Cashman tells ESPN’s Buster Olney (Twitter link).”

    In other words, there was an offer, but they are saying there wasn’t perhaps because he didn’t go to NY?

    • hardcoreforhardcore 4 years ago

      Or, you know, they never made an offer.

      • MB923 4 years ago

        I”ll lean towards my first instinct and go with what I said. If I’m wrong, yours is right.

      • If you believe a word out of Brian Cashman’s mouth then I have a bridge to sell you…

        • hardcoreforhardcore 4 years ago

          If you think for a single second that ANYONE is going to turn down an offer 24 million dollars higher than what they signed, then I think I should be the one showing you the many bridges that I can offer you.

  31. dickylarue 4 years ago

    You Yankee haters are really ridiculous. If there ever was an offer that exceeded 20 million than the offer he took, he would have taken it.

    No one even knows what this lawsuit is about and who is suing who. From the snippets of these reports that the media are leaking you’d think it was the Yankees suing Chapman’s agents which I highly doubt is going on.

    Again, pull your collective heads out of you know where and allow yourself to think as a rational human being for one second. Would Chapman, who was wearing bling the size of hubcaps in his ears when he hit the US shores, turn down 20 million more than the Cincy offer to live in Ohio?

    Your fantasies that he didn’t want to be a Yankee and turned it down are just that. Fantasies. Carl Crawford would be a Yankee right now if they matched the Boston offer.

    The only guys to ever turn down more from the Yankees were Maddux and Lee, although Lee ended up getting more per year from Philly than the Yankees were offering.

    Chapman would have taken 50 something million from the Yankees and ran with it and gotten a suit of armor and a Porsche made out of bling if he had the chance.

  32. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    “nice one, cash”

    – a. moreno

    • MaineSox 4 years ago

      Yankees fans really do have reason to worry now if Cashman is taking lessons from Moreno. Next thing you know they’ll be trading Montero for Zito and paying the whole contract…

  33. LifeLongYankeeFan 4 years ago

    Don’t pay attention to him he’s a bitter Angels fan. They had a worse offseason then the Yankees did lol. They did however sign Beltre, Soriano and Crawford though oh wait a minute…

  34. LifeLongYankeeFan 4 years ago

    Oops didn’t hit a reply button that was in response to LA Angels comment about the only Yankees fans are bandwagon or from NY blah blah blah. If that’s the case I’ve been a Yankee fan since I started watching baseball when I was 9 and Derek Jeter was just old enough to drink alcohol.

  35. melissa segura for the fail

  36. Slopeboy 4 years ago

    I love it

  37. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Wow SWP, somebody likes you.

  38. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    Just like I said above: What the f….?

    No seriously, did this just happen? Like, what are you doing?

  39. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    Oh God, I’m deleting this… for your own good.

  40. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    What the f….

  41. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    Being clever/witty on MLBTR is about flow, man…Don’t force it.

  42. Must not be TOO scared, ya know, since he wears 54…

  43. I know he can count to at least 105.

  44. Pete 4 years ago

    Mr. Show made this joke and made it look easy, google “mr show 24 is the highest number” they were total geniuses those guys.

  45. MaineSox 4 years ago

    “Klown’s” need lovin’ too man

  46. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    That’s why Santa is at the mall.

  47. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    I’m assuming this is Tschurtz from the MLBTRF, so you do fine there, just transport it and be quicker on your feet 😉 And there are some good regulars here to follow: Notsureifsrs, Start wearing purple, Spandemonium, Snell, Dodgers4life, lunchbox45, etc. (there should be MLBTR awards)

  48. MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

    The trick is to only make a comment if you’re fairly certain it can get at least a like or two. Oh crap, I shouldn’t even be making this comment.

  49. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    He posted the same thing in the “Elite rotation” post.

  50. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    Yeah, but I have like 60 posts there (WickedKevin), and over 600 here.

  51. zonis 4 years ago

    apparently comprehension of sarcasm is not.

  52. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    Thanks. Took care of it.

  53. I wanna know what he said now, you’ve got me curious.

  54. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    I got asked out on a date… not sure if I should be flattered or scared.

  55. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    Should have at least written down the number.

  56. The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

    definitley scared

  57. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    funny thing is, I recognized the area code. It’s from long island, NY. Just what SWP wanted, I bet. hahaah

  58. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    Span provides too much input for me to! And Lunchbox likes 95% of my comments haha Span’s only problem is that sometimes he gets too stubborn and shows his age.

  59. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    I’ll give it to you though, you hold a grudge like a champ.

  60. vonhayesdays 4 years ago

    Nice photo F the police

  61. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    WINNING!

  62. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    Now I am intrigued on the drama of the past.

  63. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    You sound like you know a lot about being a mod. Let’s get together sometime for coffee and talk about the internets. Where do you reside? Call me 1-508-222-2222

  64. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    Probably what ECB wants. A nice MA boy.

  65. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    Hahaha…funny! You know all you guys look a like…….Mariners fan right? You guys look all the same to me.

  66. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    It could’ve been worse though. He could’ve said you looked like the rapper Tone Def from N.W.H (N**** With Hats) in the movie “Fear of a Black Hat”.

    -great movie if you’ve never seen it. Watch “This is Spinal Tap” and listen to PE’s “Fear of a Black Planet” first or you’ll miss out on all the parody and spoofs.

  67. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    this conversation has taken an awkward turn

  68. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    Why do I suddenly visualize a disco ball and the sound of techno music (Boota boota boota boota boota boota boota boota boota Daboota boota boota boota……)

    wtf is going on in here. is this match dot com?

  69. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    I honestly don’t remember, a disagreement about something and he’s followed me around sipping his haterade ever since.

  70. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    See you weren’t even trying. “Likes” are drawn to your comments like B list porn stars are drawn to Charlie Cheen.

  71. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    It was awkward already.

  72. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    Didn’t know Mel Gibson was a sports fan. C’mon Mel…Blacks and Jews..go for the triple crown.

  73. RonTrauma 4 years ago

    Im black and Im black and Im black ya’ll.

  74. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    For the record, not my fault.

  75. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I don’t know what role the Yanks have in this situation but I’m sure there was a palm that didn’t receive enough grease. Unfortunately when it comes to Latin players trying to escape poverty there always seems to be a “bag man” or “buscones”. I guess they are just looking for a better life themselves and will profit off of their connections too.

  76. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    Ahhhhhh….but are you “Blickity Black”? That was actually “CB4″ but nice random Blacksploitation reference nonetheless. You get 2 points. Vanna Black show him what he’s won. Thanks for playing.

  77. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    You know you were flattered.

  78. Pete 4 years ago

    Maybe he just didnt want to play for the Yankees, there’s always that.

  79. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    Quite possibly. Always on the table. Too bad I wasn’t asserting that he wanted too.

  80. rickjimbo 4 years ago

    CB4, yes.

  81. I just want to see how much smaller these reply boxes can get…we’re like 10 deep now.

  82. MB923 4 years ago

    CC’s were big enough.

  83. thats what she said

  84. Obviously, you’ve never been to Cincinnati…

    -C

  85. phoenix2042 4 years ago

    this thread is one of the funniest that I have read in a long time, mostly because it has a couple good jokes and a whole lot of awkward.

  86. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    BAAAZZZZIIIINNNGGGGG

  87. ellisburks 4 years ago

    Bree Olson is not B-list! I mean, I have no idea who she is.

  88. dickylarue 4 years ago

    The media keeps spinning that Lee left money on the table by choosing Philly over the Yankees. The Yankees deal was longer and had more guaranteed dollars in it, but the Philly deal was more per year than the Yankees were willing to go for Lee.

    If you ask any Yankee hating media idiot or blog poster, they will tell you that Lee left money on the table and “took less” to go to Philly. It’s how it was spun from day one.

  89. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    You’re wearing that badge proubly. You go boy!!!

  90. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I might not be able to bag his top 3 but his 4 thru 10 are all easily obtainable for a liter of Goldschlager and some left over pain meds from a wisdom tooth extraction a few months ago. I’m just saying. I mean a Jenna Jameson or Sasha Grey at least. Step ya game up.

  91. ellisburks 4 years ago

    Jenna Jameson is past her porn prime and settled and stuff. And I am 99% sure Charlie already hit that. Sasha Grey is great too. But I do like Bree.
    And to bring it back to baseball, I remember when Charlie bought out an entire section of Angel Stadium in ’96 to catch a baseball. Awesome.

  92. rzepczynski 4 years ago

    I don’t hate you lol, I don’t even know you

  93. vonhayesdays 4 years ago

    ??wtf??

  94. vonhayesdays 4 years ago

    WHY WAS MY COMMENT DELETED MLBTR BRASS

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