Jack Of All Trades: Jose Bautista

In my new book, Taking The Field, I have an entire chapter devoted to the July 30, 2004 trade of Scott Kazmir. But fascinatingly, Kazmir may not be the most valuable player the Mets dealt on that day. Jose Bautista also became an ex-Met on the day Victor Zambrano arrived in Queens. Based on wins above replacement (WAR), Bautista is well on his way to passing Kazmir. (That assumes Kazmir doesn't add any more value; he's actually lowered his career WAR the past two seasons.)

It has been a fascinating journey for Bautista to 54 home runs last year and an even better start this year. Bautista was with five organizations before he broke out with the Blue Jays – that's more teams than any other member of the 50 homer club belonged to pre-breakout. Only Luis Gonzalez's pre-50 homer travel itinerary came close; he played for three organizations before Arizona, including Houston twice.

Let's chart Bautista's evolution from organizational hot potato to all-time great slugger. The Pirates drafted Bautista in the 20th round of the 2000 draft, a round that produced just two other major leaguers: Carmen Pignatiello and Fred Lewis. With the exception of a terrific 2002 in the South Atlantic League, Bautista profiled about as he did in his pre-2010 Major League career: a .250 hitter with decent plate discipline and a little power. Still just 23 as 2003 ended, he had a good chance, with a season or two of polish, of becoming valuable – if he stuck at a middle infield position, very valuable.

Then, the scourge of reasonable prospect development struck: the Baltimore Orioles took Bautista in the Rule V Draft in December 2003. Suddenly, Bautista needed to make the transition from Class A pitching to the Major Leagues. Not surprisingly, he didn't. He hit a respectable .273 in 12 plate appearances for the Orioles, but Baltimore put him on waivers that June 3. Tampa Bay picked him up, gave him another 15 plate appearances, then sold him to Kansas City 25 days later. A little over a month after that, with 26 more plate appearances in Kansas City, the Royals traded him to the Mets for catching prospect Justin Huber. And the Mets, that very same day (Kazmir Day), traded Bautista, Ty Wigginton and pitching prospect Matt Peterson to the Pirates for Kris Benson and Jeff Keppinger.

Yes, all that could have been avoided if the Pirates just protected Bautista. Pittsburgh kept him around for another 43 plate appearances, and he didn't hit much back with his first organization, either. His 2004 total line over four organizations (five, including the Mets): .205/.263/.239. Pittsburgh wisely sent him to the minors for more seasoning.

After a strong year at Double-A, and brief promotion to Triple-A, the Pirates called Bautista up as a 24-year-old in 2004, hoping he'd be there to stay. He mostly did, providing value, with the ability to play corner positions (though middle infield was a non-starter) and giving Pittsburgh an OPS+ of about 95 each season. But by August 2008, Bautista was 27, and the chances that he'd become a star seemed nonexistent. So the Pirates, needing a catcher, traded Bautista to Toronto for Robinzon Diaz.

Diaz played one season in Pittsburgh, hit .279/.307/.357, then signed with the Tigers organization. He hasn't played in the Major Leagues since. Bautista provided another of his typical seasons for Toronto in 2009 – .235/.349/.408, good for an OPS+ of 99 – then turned into Jose Bautista as we now know him, baseball super icon.

Let's break down the trade. As of today, Bautista leads Diaz in total home runs hit with his new club, 78-1. However, this is misleading, since Diaz is no longer with the Pirates, and able to add to his total. Diaz does lead Bautista in runners thrown out trying to steal (Diaz had nine; Bautista, not a catcher, has 26 outfield assists with Toronto), and the Pirates undoubtedly lead the Blue Jays in fans shaking their fists angrily at the sky.

Generally, I like to find a moral in these trade paths, but it is hard with this one. Every player in baseball history who profiled like Jose Bautista didn't go on to become a classically great slugger, except for Jose Bautista. Perhaps it is simply a reminder that for all we think we know about how baseball will turn out, it still gloriously has the ability to surprise us – not just on a per-game basis, but on a personal one as well.


91 Responses to Jack Of All Trades: Jose Bautista Leave a Reply

  1. pirateswillwinin2013 4 years ago

    Thats awesome how he became something after going through so much. Exactly though we don’t know who will turn out or fade out. But Thank God Bautista ended up with Toronto with hitting coach Dwayne Murphy, it made his career. If he would of stayed with the Pirates he probably never would have changed his swing and be a bench player or even out of baseball we don’t know. But Congrats to him, Im happy he’s succeeded when no one ever thought he would.

  2. diehardmets 4 years ago

    Why am I a Met fan?

  3. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Perhaps it is simply a reminder that for all we think we know about how baseball will turn out, it still gloriously has the ability to surprise us – not just on a per-game basis, but on a personal one as well  

    nailed it

    • Bombastic_Dave 4 years ago

      Would we all love baseball so much if there weren’t surprises like these?

      Not me.

  4. Great article. Can’t believe how he came out of nowhere.

  5. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    I think this is in line with the ‘change of scenery argument for certain players’

    not that a new ballpark or jersey colour envokes something..

    With players with talent, sometimes it just takes a tweak to mechanics to bring out your full potential. The change of scenery is really the another approach or set of eyes to help you figure things out. Which is exactly this situation.

  6. Mick_In_Ithaca 4 years ago

    During the off-season, there were plenty of people on this blog and others who considered Bautista’s 2010 a fluke. When he signed the extension, there were many more who claimed it was a foolish deal on the part of the Jays. Perhaps they haven’t changed their views, but it’s pretty obvious, even this early in the season, that the brain trusts on the opposite side of the diamond regard Bautista as the real deal; I haven’t seen anybody pitched around so openly and often since — that Bonds guy. He has improved his game over last year in many ways, and maybe those improvements won’t stick, but right now he is by far the best offensive player in the game.

    Excellent article.

    • ellisburks 4 years ago

      I have no problem with the money they gave him. I am just concerned with the length of the contract. They will be paying him until he is 36. By then he will not be hitting as well. 

  7. phoenix2042 4 years ago

    It must have been incredibly stressful to change organizations five times in one season. Just not knowing where you should show up the next day, who’s paying you, where in the country you have to fly next… no wonder his performance suffered. I don’t think that people appreciate how being traded to a new team can be extremely stressful: having to move yourself and maybe your family to a new part of the country, having to live in a hotel because you need to be there tomorrow, all new staff, teammates, coaches, etc, not to mention the pressure to make a good impression on the field for your new team.  I picture it as if my college traded me to another school across the country, and I had to try to settle into a new community that I didn’t choose or even have much experience with besides on the field, and just trying to be comfortable living there.  Kudos to Jose for making through that and becoming a better player for it!

  8. Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

    ..and the Pirates undoubtedly lead the Blue Jays in fans shaking their fists angrily at the sky.

    I’m sure Pirates fans collectively acted out Planet Of The Apes when they saw Jose break out.

    “YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEEEEW IT UP! DAAAAMN YOU! DAAAAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!”

    • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

      sorry to rain on the parade, but the assistant GM at the time did the deal for Bautista. JPR himself said he knew little of it..

      • Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

        I honestly did not know that.  Every time the trade is mentioned, it always comes back to JPR.  Still though, I didn’t like him then and I don’t like him now.  Thanks for the tidbit of info though.

        • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

          I was amazed when I read that, apparently AA had sent a scout over and then scouted  Bautista himself.. They weren’t high on Diaz so when the pirates called JPR let Alex handle it .

          No wonder Alex was a little generous (at the time) with the extension, this was his guy.

  9. Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

    @Lunchbox45

    You know, this reminds me when people were criticizing Ricciardi for cheaping out by trying to find that diamond in the rough when they acquired Bautista.  I hope their crow was delicious.

  10. the cynic in me suspects some kind of performance enhancement…

    the optimist in me is enjoying the great story. Hope he can keep it up and have a great career.

  11. I was under the impression that Bautista got alot of help from the hitting coach and it really helped him big time. Plus add a little success and confidence and we have the modern day Bautista.

    I do admit I didn’t think he would duplicate what he did last season. I wouldn’t go higher than $18 in my fantasy draft and am now full of regret.

  12. Tools_of_Ignorance 4 years ago

    As a Jays die-hard, we don’t have much to cheer about.

    But goddamn, Bautista is fun to watch. 

    • YourBase 4 years ago

       Are you kidding? The Jays are looking good. Your minor league system is great, you unloaded that Wells contract, you have Bautista, fine pitching, etc. I don’t think that the wait will be long.

      • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

        pitching has been a bit of a let down so far.. hopefully cecil romero and morrow can find some consistancy

        Farrell has been tough to deal with as well 

        • ellisburks 4 years ago

          The pitching has been a let down but I think the Jays will be fine. I see 2011 as another growing year but 2012 will be a good year I think. As for Farrell, he is learning how to manage on the fly and having him there to guide your young staff can only be a bonus. Maybe 2012 is when you win the Wild Card.

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            I just feel like 2 important pieces took a step back this year (cecil,snider) Morrow, Romero too early to tell, and could this be the end of aaron hill as a jay?

            Farrell is trying to hard to win instead of focusing on young player development.

            In terms of farm system and the future, I’m still extremely optimistic. So far anyone with a contract for next year on this team has been good to great.. just a lot of dead weight and holes to fill, more then most people thought.

  13. Ian_Smell 4 years ago

    I really miss him as a Pirate fan, but I know that if he would have stayed he wouldn’t have been as good as he is now, so I’m glad that he’s finally having success, I just wish he had it here. 

  14. FunkyTime 4 years ago

    All-time great slugger?  Did “all-time” start in 2010?

  15. Sniderlover 4 years ago

    If I remember correctly, weren’t there Jays fans who wanted Bautista
    non-tendered and gone after the 09 season even with those 10 or so
    homeruns in September. Can’t say I would have unhappy with the move at that time.

    • Aubrey Lustig 4 years ago

      Who needed him when you had the great Randy Ruiz

      • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

         lol

        i honestly thought he was going to hit 40 hr’s last year

  16. Mick_In_Ithaca 4 years ago

    Players who are on PEDs, esp. HGH, don’t miss 5 games because their neck is sore from having slept on it funny (ask Clemens if you don’t believe me). Especially not when they’re carrying the team offensively.

    Bautista has always had power. The guy who drafted him thought he’d be an elite power hitter. He didn’t always have playing time, and he didn’t always have exceptional plate discipline. He didn’t always have the ability to put his A1 swing on the ball once he decided to swing. He used to, with some regularity, put a weak swing on a ball low and outside, and either strike out or ground out to second. He hardly made one of those swings at all last season, and I haven’t seen him do it this season. Now, when he loads, he can put a monster swing on a ball if he decides to swing, or hold off if he doesn’t like the pitch. Even his few ground ball outs this season have been sharply hit.

    His at bat against Nathan tonight was typical. He takes a strike and is down 0-2 after a foul. He fouls off pitch after pitch, taking balls away, till he gets the count to 3-2. Fouls off another and then when Nathan throws him a strike down the middle, he plants it in the 2nd deck. Admittedly, Nathan coming off TJ isn’t the pitcher he once was, but it was like Bautista was just waiting for a mistake, would’ve waited all night, and when it came, he crushed it. Nathan should’ve just put him on.

    Bautista’s performance last year is all the more remarkable in that he had 2 kind of lousy months. This is probably the case with most players most seasons, no matter how good a season they have. But this year Bautista has hardly wasted an at bat. He’s intimidating pitchers, and that’s made him even better. I won’t be in the least surprised if he outstrips last year’s BA and OPS numbers. And who knows: maybe he’ll hit 50 again. If he doesn’t, he’ll come close.

    • TrueYankeeFanNYC 4 years ago

      Bautista is the best we know already. Sure he will produce his 8 mill this season but next year when it jumps to 14 million hopefully he doesn’t go back to that his 07 08 09 slash lines.

      • Nredning 4 years ago

        That the hope TrueFan, that he doesn’t go back to those numbers.  But as AA stated, if you can’t gamble on a player like Bautista, who can you gamble on.  For Jays fans, it was just nice to see that Bautista was given what he was worth, and not play out his contract in Toronto.  Watching him performing like this in a Yankee’s or Red Sox uniform would have been very painful.  

  17. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    so far this year.. Bautista has a .969 OPS, with 2 strikes.

    no HGH, steroids, magic potion, beard enhancer, etc could make that happen to a player. 

    • Drew Tweedie 4 years ago

      Let’s not get ahead of ourselves on that last one. 

  18. Drew Tweedie 4 years ago

     I think we can boil down Bautista’s ridiculous power growth to a binary choice: do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see him sock a few dingers?

    On a semi-related note, saw the Blue Jays play the Padres last year during interleague. The right field lower levels were heckling him the entire game (still not entirely sure why). Following the Blue Jays win, Bautista waved at the fans with the most coy expression on his face. I’ve been a fan ever since.

  19. Braydon Gervais 4 years ago

    To all the steroid allegations….look at his swing before September 2009 then look at his swing after September 2009. Nuff said.

  20. stonepie 4 years ago

    steroids? maybe so, maybe not. he sure did change his swing but who’s to say he didnt take something as well? personally, im open to the idea that ANY player in baseball could be on some form of PED’s right now. of course i have nothing to base this on..just my feelings.

    • Guest 4 years ago

       all ive been trying to say this whole conversation. but the homers don’t want to believe its possible. at all.

      • He isn’t on anything that no one else in ball isn’t on.  Therefore, I agree that it is not even worth talking about unless there is more to it than just your suspiciousness.

      • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

        Who said it wasnt possible???

        Of course anything is possible but is it reasonable to assume or discuss after 4 negative drug tests and a well documented swing adjustment.

        So far jose bautista has proven that he is not on juice a heck of a lot more than you have proven his is.

        • Guest 4 years ago

           i’m not out to prove he is on steroids. i’m out to prove that negative PED tests do not mean you have not used PEDs.

          • i’m not sure how manny got busted twice in the last year by the ‘joke’ tests you mention, when, after all, he’s got (or at least had) man(n)y more millions of dollars to invest in not getting caught.

             of course you can’t rule out that bautista MIGHT be on something unless you have blind faith in him/athletes/mlb – or unless you don’t understand what falsifiability has to do with science. but with that said, the main reason people suspect bautista is that he drastically improved ‘later’ in his career. drafting “toolsy” or “high upside” guys is betting that the ‘light goes on’ at some point, usually in their early 20s…bautista was 28 when he ‘figured it out’…compare that to Halladay who had all the attention of a top draft pick and HE didn’t figure it out himself until his age 25 season.

  21. Braydon Gervais 4 years ago

    He’s ALWAYS had amazing pop. His swing just wasn’t good mechanically. He wasn’t getting ready to hit early enough, and was always getting on his front foot. He was frequently on balls but just late on them so he was hitting deep fly balls instead of driving the ball out of the ballpark. It’s simple mechanics boys, you don’t believe that a little thing such as lifting your foot can make a difference? Take a look at Roy Halladay before he switched to a 3/4 arm slot. 

  22. Nredning 4 years ago

    It’s very sad that every discussion about Joey Bats turns into this.  Fortunately, the majority of the MLB fan base has moved on.  Let’s try to enjoy the sport we all love, be glad that Manny Ramirez is gone, hopefully proving that the era of PEDs is behind us, and watch exciting players of all teams play the best game that we have.

  23. Guest 4 years ago

    or you’re ignorant in thinking that testing catches everyone using PEDs. I’m sure everyone not named Manny Ramirez has stopped using /sarcasm

  24. FunkyTime 4 years ago

     Isn’t HGH impossible to test for?  It’s natural to be suspicious of a MASSIVE power increase at age 29.

  25. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    So I’m ignorant for not believing that something that produces a specific scientific result is false??

    You should be a lawyer!

    Judge ‘Austin, here is a video tape of you running a red light and hitting a pedestrian.’
    Austin ‘prove to me that the video tape is authentic!
    Judge ‘the video clearly shows you in your car, matching license plate’
    Austin ‘whats a car!?’

    Bautista has PROVED he’s not on juice, do you have any evidence whatsoever to support your claim that you can be tested that many times and not be caught? ….
    yah thats what I thought

  26. Steelslayer 4 years ago

    His body really has ballooned up…hasn’t it?  Perhaps we can all just leave the PED alone and accept that just MAYBE he did this legitimately 

  27. Guest 4 years ago

    a specific scientific result? are you kidding? unaware?

    please tell me that there are no players on PEDs right now because no one has been caught. PLEASE.

  28. Guest 4 years ago

     the ever famous “clear” is still not testable I believe

  29. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    this is so obnoxious. will you people please just think about it for five minutes first before popping off about PED’s

    bautista’s power increase did not occur by itself. that is, at the same time his  power increased, his walks increased, he struckout less, and he hit for average much better. all of these changes had a cause or causes, and all of them must be explained. not all of them result from increased strength or decreased recovery time, so in addition to a complete lack of evidence for it, the steroid theory fails to fully explain the phenomenon that is bautista’s new success

    at the same time, the phenomenon is completely explainable by changes in his mechanics and approach, both of which are observable and are documented as having begun at the exact same time his success did late in the 2009 season. this is a perfect and complete explanation

    skepticism is one thing, but you should not be in the habit of favoring theories that are completely without evidence – particularly when doing so requires that you actively disregard better-supported theories which better explain what’s going on

  30. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Has every player in the league been tested? No

    Has Jose Bautista been tested? yes, Several Times? Yes

    So after 4 drug tests, I’m supposed to believe some tool with no evidence that he could still be on PEDs  that turned a 16 HR into a 54 HR hitter without making any noticable changes to the human body? Is this some magical juice, grown in bora bora discovered by Scott Boras..

    your argument is beyond pathetic.

  31. TheWoodyD 4 years ago

    This is anecdotal, but…

    Did Barry Bonds or Lance Armstong ever fail a drug test??

  32. Guest 4 years ago

     uhmmm… yes every player in the league has been tested… its part of the drug and PED prevention program.

  33. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

     I don’t think Bautista is using PEDs, but your argument of “being tested and not being caught means he is clean” is so wrong. 

  34. Guest 4 years ago

     since when does body type determine PED use? brian roberts admitted to PED use and hes not exactly gigantor

  35. Guest 4 years ago

    notice that i didnt say that jose bautista was on any PEDs, I just said that its a possibility. a perfect and complete explanation? you’ve got to be joking. lets change rajai davis’ mechanics and approach too, and maybe he’ll hit 30+ homeruns this year. lets breakdown some stats, shall we?

    bautista’s line drive percentage went down from the previous year last year, his ground ball percentage went down, and his fly ball percentage went up- which all spell a decrease in batting average. he also posted an ABSURD jump in HR/flyball percentage, eight percent better than his previous career high. he had a slight jump (less than one percent) in walks, and struck out about four percent less.

    other than less strikeouts and more flyballs, the “change in approach and mechanics” all of you guys are preaching is pretty inevident.

  36. Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

    I thought Bautista was an inside job?

  37. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    boom:roasted

    did i do it right?

  38. Guest 4 years ago

    THANK YOU, THAT IS MY ONLY POINT IN THIS CONVERSATION.

    I think there is a possibility, but I’m not going to say he’s on roids with no evidence other than his numbers.

  39. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

     is it out of the realm of possibility? of course not

    but being tested 4 times in a year surely surpasses the reasonable doubt needed to make the argument stick

  40. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    notice that i didnt say that jose bautista was on any PEDs

    notice i didn’t say anything to you

    lets change rajai davis’ mechanics and approach too, and maybe he’ll hit 30+ homeruns this year

    ok, now i’ll say it to you: use your brain. do you know anything about jose bautista other than what you see in the stat page? davis has never had anywhere near the raw power that bautista has had his entire career. bautista’s been a batting practice HR champ since he was like 24

    so here’s a better idea: let’s change the mechanics and approach of a player with similar raw power, and then when he immediately becomes a great power hitter let’s theorize that it’s not because of those changes, but instead is because of drug use. brilliant!

    other than less strikeouts and more flyballs, the “change in approach
    and mechanics” all of you guys are preaching is pretty inevident.

    inevident to you, because you think you know so much about the subject that you’re above a 5-second google search. you are ignorant and arrogant, an intolerable combination. remember the opening words of my previous comment, which was not then but is now addressed to you: think for five minutes first

    link to aolnews.com

    your failboat has capsized. consider this a lifeline. you can thank me by shutting up

  41. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    lets change rajai davis’ mechanics and approach too, and maybe he’ll hit 30+

    So wait wait wait, are you insinuating that if Rajai gets on the juice or any sort of PEDs that he’ll be able to be a slugger?

    what a joke.
     

  42. Guest 4 years ago

     lol you show me an article from aol as your evidence?

    you want some more herp with your derp?

    you dont know me, know my knowledge or know much for that matter… so you should shut up instead of showing me some stupid article from aol other than empirical evidence. dont start insulting when you’re on the internet phaggot.

  43. Guest 4 years ago

     and get over yourself. you think you have the only answer, and call everyone else ignorant because you think you can’t be wrong. so just shut up.

  44. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    the theory i have offered is supported by observable, documented evidence and explains the phenomenon completely

    the theory you have offered is supported by nothing but tediously repeated suspicion of your own slow wit. supporting evidence for it (drug testing) has been sought and found missing (he passed). worse, the theory fails to fully explain the phenomenon it purports to

    nice and slow: nothing i have said here is particularly smart, you are just being exceedingly dumb. you are wrong and you appear to be unable to figure out why on your own. but if you can’t read, i can’t help you. best case scenario here is one where you just stop talking for awhile

  45. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    i am a double agent

    ^this is disinformation

  46. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    (i’ll have to be nicer in this comment because the last one was deleted)

    so just to be clear, lol aol is all you have to say to an article written by a professional scout who writes for fanhouse. an article is posted and linked to everywhere, including baseball prospectus:

    link to baseballprospectus.com

    isn’t it weird that BP cites that scout’s article (on aol no less!), even calling it excellent? i think it’s weird, since we know from your comments that the article is automatically discredited as evidence because it was posted on aol. and you’re a very smart guy

    but yea, i’m sure there’s nothing to this altered approach/mechanics stuff. lol aol!

    link to nytimes.com

    link to sportsillustrated.cnn.com

    link to thegoldensombrero.com

    link to sportsnet.ca

    link to bleacherreport.com

    link to sports.nationalpost.com

    90 seconds of googling. failboat, sunk

  47. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    so you’re comparing a guy who was on juice who played in an era when they didnt test

    to a guy who was tested 4 times last year alone?

    what next you are going to tell me about all the people that got away with racist acts in the early 1900s?

  48. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

     on a seperate  note.

    its really really sad that baseball has become this, people like you..

    Not really any fault of your own, maybe some ignorance, but baseball players have tainted you..

    In most other sports, when a hard working, likable and talented player overcomes his mediocrity and becomes a super star they are applauded, their stories are told, and most importantly they are admired for overcoming whatever they had to overcome.

    However, in baseball when a player excels out of no where, instead of being excited, being surprised, we condemn them, with no proof other than the fact that they play the same sport as barry bonds, mark mcguire and whoever else..

    I know its difficult, because many of the former users used to be our favourite players and our heros, now we hold our emotions in check, hold reservations on whether on not  we can truly open up to a player that is suddenly, through hard work, good.

    Is this fair to bautista? this shouldnt even be a conversation

  49. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Finish Him:

    the theory i have offered is supported by observable, documented evidence and explains the phenomenon completely.

    the theory you have offered is supported by nothing but tediously repeated suspicion of your own slow wit. supporting evidence for it (drug testing) has been sought and found missing (he passed). worse, the theory fails to fully explain the phenomenon it purports to

    Stare Down:

    The End

  50. Guest 4 years ago

     for the last time

    BEING TESTED FOR, AND “PASSING” A DRUG TEST IN WHICH MULTIPLE PLAYERS HAVE CALLED A JOKE DOES NOT MEAN NO ONE IN MLB IS USING PEDs

  51. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    i reward you thusly

  52. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

     he used anabolic steroids once . one cycle is hardly going to have any drastic affects..

  53. Guest 4 years ago

     LOL HERP TO THE F*CKIN DERP

    you obviously don’t know anything about anabolic steroids, please stop casually mentioning them like you’re aware

  54. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    At any point are you goin to prove anything you say?

    “multiple players have called a joke”

    They told you personally???

  55. Guest 4 years ago

    just ask brady anderson… but then again I suppose he just changed his mechanics.

  56. Guest 4 years ago

     I didn’t say there was nothing to his changed stroke. but changing your stroke does not amount to more than tripling your career home run total.

  57. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    wait, i thought the article was not credible because it was posted on aol? what happened to that angle? you sounded so smart

    so i guess it now has credibility, buuuut … what now, exactly? it explains the changes made, and the changes correlate perfectly with the increased power production (and overall improvement in hitting). buuuut … what, exactly? what is left unexplained that requires a steroid theory?

    nothing. a changed stroke/approach does not always result in 3x as many HRs you say? well that’s obviously true. but a changed stroke/approach does not
    ever result in 3x as many HRs you say? that appears to be false. you forgot to show
    your work again. can you come up with any reason that it would be impossible for a player with raw power hitting in a HR park to change his stroke/approach and triple his previous HR total without PEDs? no, you can’t. it’s unusual but not at all impossible

    i propose that, when you post your next comment in which you say the same stupid thing again
    without evidence, you try clicking the heels of your ruby slippers together at the same time. that would be progress

  58. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Lol.

    Seriously go to law school. Your debating skills are impeccable.

    Do you honestly think hgh or steroids can turn a 16 hr hitter into a 54 home run hitter?

    No one can be that ignorant

  59. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Ohhhhhhh I get it now. You’re in high school still and don’t have a firm grasp of reason yet… I bet you think supped up Honda civics are tops too.

    So tell me oh wise one. What one cycle of anabolic steroids is goin to do a body that my kinesiology degree hasn’t taught me yet..

    Please, enlighten me.

  60. Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

    PED’s alone don’t make a person stronger.  All they do is heal your body faster than the human body does on it’s own.

    Educate yourself on a subject before you debate about it. 

  61. Guest 4 years ago

    I’m in high school? further proving you don’t know me.

    yes, hard work is required when taking PEDs. healing your body faster is not “all they do”. that is the most uneducated comment i have ever heard about steroids. clearly you are not educated on the subject.

    and the e-bragging is strong here. HERP DERP I HAVE DAT DER KINESIOLOGY DEGREE. one cycle has no effect? i know plenty of people who have done one cycle and come out 20 pounds heavier and much stronger then when they started. please enlightened me, oh blue jays homer, how many cycles it takes to become stronger.

  62. Guest 4 years ago

     progress would be getting the blue jays dick out of your mouth, phaggot.

  63. Guest 4 years ago

     please tell me what can then? a change in approach can? lol. ignorance at its finest.

  64. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    lol
    this was guy was so cool.

    I know guys who did one cycle and came out 20 pounds heavier lol

    i’ll fedex you a medal

  65. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

     ban fail

  66. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    fatality attached

  67. Nredning 4 years ago

    Seriously “Guest” you really need to shut up.  You are not doing anything to prove anything other than your ignorance.  The science behind the mechanics of Bautista’s swing and approach have been done.  Everything from the modeling of his approach, swing and follow through have changed.  PEDs did not do this.  Discipline, hard work and increased patience have all contributed. 

    But regardless, continue to live in your fantasy world, where you are brilliant, and all others are “phaggots” who suck d*ck, unless they follow your intelligent lead.  In the meantime, I will enjoy the Cinderella story, that is Jose Bautista; fully confident in the fact that he is not using PEDs and that the next time he is facing your favorite team, he will hit 1 or 2 home runs against your Ace pitcher, and if we are lucky, it will bean you in the head and possibly knock some sense into you.

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