How The NL Playoff Starters Were Acquired

Earlier this afternoon, we examined how the American League playoff teams assembled their postseason rotations. Now, let's hop over to the National League. Once again, in the event of series sweeps, postponements, or managerial changes of heart, this list could undergo some changes, but these are currently the probable starters for the NLDS.

Brewers

Yovani Gallardo: Selected in the 2004 draft (2nd round).
Zack Greinke: Acquired from the Royals in December 2010.
Shaun Marcum: Acquired from the Blue Jays in December 2010.
Randy Wolf: Signed for three years, $29.75MM in December 2009.

Last winter, the Brewers went all-in when they traded for Marcum and Greinke in the span of two weeks. So far, the decision has paid off, as the two former AL starters are lined up to pitch Games 2 and 3 of the Division Series against the Diamondbacks.

Diamondbacks

Ian Kennedy: Acquired from the Yankees in December 2009.
Daniel Hudson: Acquired from the White Sox in July 2010.
Josh Collmenter: Selected in the 2007 draft (15th round).
Joe Saunders: Acquired from the Angels in July 2010.

The D'Backs were practically in fire sale mode when they moved Dan Haren and Edwin Jackson last summer. Now, just one season later, two pitchers they acquired in those deals could start for the Snakes in the postseason. Interestingly, Arizona is the only NL playoff team whose rotation doesn't include a starter acquired from the Blue Jays.

Phillies

Roy Halladay: Acquired from the Blue Jays and extended for three years, $60MM in December 2009.
Cliff Lee: Signed for five years, $120MM in December 2010.
Cole Hamels: Selected in the 2002 draft (1st round, 17th overall).
Roy Oswalt: Acquired from Astros in July 2010.

The Phillies have made a handful of blockbuster moves over the last two years to ensure they have the starting pitching edge over the rest of the league heading into this postseason. But Hamels and fifth man Vance Worley (3.01 ERA in 131 2/3 IP) prove the Phils are skilled at developing their own starters too.

Cardinals

Kyle Lohse: Originally signed in March 2008. Extended for four years, $41MM in September 2008.
Chris Carpenter: Originally signed in December 2003. Extended for five years, $63MM in December 2006.
Jaime Garcia: Selected in the 2005 draft (22nd round).
Edwin Jackson: Acquired from the Blue Jays in July 2011.

When they traded Colby Rasmus for Jackson, Corey Patterson, and a pair of relievers this July, GM John Mozeliak and the Cardinals were widely panned, but it's hard to argue the move didn't help the team win the Wild Card race. Still, without Adam Wainwright, and unable to optimally line up their rotation, the Cards head into the NLDS as significant underdogs against the Phils' big four.


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49 Comments on "How The NL Playoff Starters Were Acquired"


Tom McCoy
3 years 11 months ago

Hows Colby working out for you guys? XD

Lunchbox45
3 years 11 months ago

not as good as Doc is working out for the Phils I guess.  XD

3 years 11 months ago

Obviously not well so far, but kind of harsh to judge a 24-year-old CF on 140 AB with Toronto.

brstreet9
3 years 11 months ago

I wonder how Colby’s dad is working out for them.

M_Harden
3 years 11 months ago

well of course the DBacks don’t have a starter that came from Toronto, they wanted to limit it to their entire infield only so they won’t be called the Arizona Blue Jays.

Lanidrac
3 years 11 months ago

Heh, that reminds me of how the entire Blue Jays starting infield from one year (not counting catcher) eventually all played for the Cardinals (although not all four at the same time).

skoods
3 years 11 months ago

Each team has one starter that they drafted and three that they acquired via other transactions. Interesting.

Lunchbox45
3 years 11 months ago

your attention to detail is remarkable. Are you a CSI?

3 years 11 months ago

Notice the Jays gave up three of the starters in these playoffs – Halladay, Marcum and Edwin Jackson. For that they got Drabek + two above average prospects, Lawrie and Rasmus. Lawrie is a star but broke bones in his hand twice this season (an Ironman he is not), Drabek was just plain awful after his first few starts, and Rasmus will never be compared to Curtis Granderson, Jacoby Ellsbury or even BJ Upton in the AL East. Sure AA traded the albatross Wells contract and got Napoli in return, but Napoli now stars on Texas in these playoffs and we were left with Frank Francisco. My point is that the players the Jays have at the ML level today aren’t good enough to make the playoffs , while those they’ve traded are. Sure we have some good prospects, but until they’ve proved they can win at the major league level like Halladay and Marcum, they are just that: prospects. Kelly Johnson is another AA trade where the player we recieved will never be compared to Pedroia or Cano in the AL East. So the only AA trades that have made us a more playoff ready team for 2012 is A-Gon for Yunel Escobar, and maybe Lawrie is he doesn’t always get hurt.

Mr_Anderson1017
3 years 10 months ago

Can’t believe I forgot Edwin Jackson used to play for the Blue Jays…so did baseball-reference..

John
3 years 11 months ago

No he didn’t.

Stl_Great
3 years 11 months ago

Brett Lawrie may be the only guy who will be productive..

vtadave
3 years 11 months ago

Solid analysis. 

Six-plus years of a guy who just put up a .953 OPS for a pitcher who is a free agent after next season.

Drabek you can debate. Awful year, but highly-touted and certainly plenty of time to turn things around. In the Halladay trade though he also got Michael Taylor who was eventually turned into Anthony Gose (.349 OBP, 16 HR, 69 SB in AA at age 20) and Travis D’Arnaud, a catcher who just put up a .913 OPS in AA as a 22 year-old.

Rasmus has struggled, but he is a CF with upside who just turned 25. The cost? A pair of relievers.

3 years 11 months ago

SSS on all fronts. high on lawrie after 2 months. low on drabek because of a bad year (23 years old and bad control, go figure). and low on rasmus after a bad year discounting 2 years of productive play previous to that. 

another st louis fan trying to convince themselves that 2 months of rental players and rzepcynski is worth more than rasmus. even the not so great 2009, 2.8WAR version of colby is worth more than the package they got. want to bet against him surpassing that level in the future (given that he already did last year)? 

Casor_Greener
3 years 11 months ago

this is a “what have you done lately” world.  Rasmus hasn’t done anything for Toronto and neither has Drabek.  Until those players produce, you can’t say St Louis or Philly got fleeced, nor give any props to Anthro.  Everyone thought the Astros were good for getting Brett Wallace and look at him so far.

At this point all he did was get Lawrie (which was huge) and clear Wells contract.

Fail to see how that makes him great.  Marcum and the Brwers are in the playoffs and so is St. Louis.  The Blue Jays MIGHT be good down the line and Rasmus MIGHT get back to his old self.

Lanidrac
3 years 11 months ago

So what? It got us into the playoffs, we get Scrabble for 3 more years and Dotel for another year, and we already have a good young replacement in CF, anyway.  We didn’t get full value, but we’re still happy with the deal.

Besides, there’s a decent chance that Rasmus is nothing more than the next J.D. Drew.

Lunchbox45
3 years 11 months ago

“At this point all he did was get Lawrie (which was huge) and clear Wells contract.”

you failed to mention taking the 29th ranked farm system to top 3 within 2 years. Judging the rasmus trade after a month and a half of at bats is idiotic. In your realm I guess Jayson heyward should be dfa’d?…

baseball is not a what have you done for me lately world, its what CAN you do for me. Baseball is all about potential.  I’m not going to be a fanboy and say AA is incredible this and that, there are a lot of good GM’s out there, but your post has an incredibly inaccurate tone..

There is such a thing as a trade working out for both teams, happens all the time, not sure why people need to have measuring contests about which teams wins a trade. The Cards made a ‘now’ trade, they felt that Ejacks would benefit them down the stretch, it was a good trade for them. No matter what you say about Rasmus, Jays are improved too because they made a ‘future’ trade.

3 years 11 months ago

it’s “what have you done for me lately?” for aging vets that have no upside, not for young players who have a decent track record.

the reason the rasmus deal was moronic from st louis’ end was not because of rasmus’ results this year, but because of all the future value that they gave up by judging him off of a small sample size and from his relationship with his dinosaur of a manager. 

it is true that maybe he will never attain his potential, but calling him a bust because he sucked for the jays towards the end of the year is really really stupid, and there are a ton of commenters here that are doing just that. when they’re given reasonable arguments, they give some bull about how the jays arent in the playoffs, as if making an inexcusable, asinine move is justified by one playoff appearance.

and then there are all the commenters hating on AA cause he hasnt waved a magic wand and put his team in the playoffs after 2 seasons. 

IT IS NOT EASY IN THE AL EAST. it takes time and some luck, but so far AA has pulled almost all of the right moves. 

dylanp5030
3 years 11 months ago

No, Gose > Wallace

MattCMoore
3 years 11 months ago

You know that every highly touted prospect dosent turn into a good MLB player right?

Lanidrac
3 years 11 months ago

Actually, to get Rasmus, you had to give up 3 good relievers and a backup outfielder as well as take on a bad contract and 2 junk lefty relievers, and for 2 months put up with one of the worst bullpens in baseball history since the establishment of the modern bullpen.

It’s still a great move for the Blue Jays if Rasmus ever figures it out, although the Cardinals are also happy with the deal.

Lunchbox45
3 years 11 months ago

 thats complete fluff.

sincerely,

Brandon Wood

3 years 11 months ago

Of course not. But dealing veterans when you’re not a contender for prospects that MIGHT become useful and cost-controlled pieces is usually a good strategy.

Casor_Greener
3 years 11 months ago

Where did I judge the Rasmus trade? I said you can’t say St. Louis got fleeced.  If me judging the Rasmus trade after a month of at-bats (which I didn’t do) is idiotic, then people are idiots for saying Anthro made a great trade to acquire him (since that is one of the main trades people use to judge him).

As far as the “best farm system in baseball”, the minute you show me some stats saying how often the team with “the best farm system” is winning 5 years after achieving that ranking, I’ll start to respect it.  Acquiring the right free agents and having players play above potential is just as important as getting this “best farm” ranking.

All I stated was that Anthro tends to get a lot of credit for something that “might occur” when the actual results haven’t been realized. So now they have a top 5 rankings and a decent team already on the field. All they have to do is start winning. Until then he is just another GM making trades to me.

3 years 11 months ago

Kind of off topic, but, in general, I think it’s hard to judge whether or not either side of a trade got “fleeced” until years later – especially when prospects are involved.

Lunchbox45
3 years 11 months ago

actually, every team with a #1 rated farm system has made the playoffs within 5 years since BA started ranking, so there’s that…

The guys been a GM for less than 2 years, you saying “show me the playoff baseball” is like saying that you aren’t going to respect a player until he wins the mvp award.  The guy has turned around the franchise is such a short time, shedded dead weight in contracts and players and replaced them with young high potential players. did he ‘fleece’ the cardinals? no, I wouldn’t call it a fleece. cards did what they needed to do to improve their team this year..

However, do I feel the Cards could have gotten more for Rasmus? Abso explicit lutely

notsureifsrs
3 years 11 months ago

“As far as the “best farm system in baseball”, the minute you show me
some stats saying how often the team with “the best farm system” is
winning 5 years after achieving that ranking, I’ll start to respect it.”

lol

skoods
3 years 11 months ago

Good luck ever making the playoffs with the Yankees, Rays, and Red Sox in your division.

Casor_Greener
3 years 11 months ago

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2010/01/how_does_the_fa.php
#1 farm system worth about 5 wins. 

“Acquiring the right free agents and having players play above potential is just as important as getting this “best farm” ranking.”

Just as I stated messageboard guru

notsureifsrs
3 years 11 months ago

refusing to respect the revitalization of a farm system in just 2 years is laughable. that’s why a laughed at you, see?

if you want to talk about something specific like why you doubt the jays can be successful in the near future or why anthopolous doesn’t deserve a whole crapload of credit for what he’s done so far, let’s do that. sounds fun

but if you just want to say silly things and play the part of the hot air contrarian as you have so far, i’ll just play the guy who laughs at you

Lunchbox45
3 years 11 months ago

Acquiring the right free agents and having players play above potential
is just as important as getting this “best farm” ranking.

Oh you mean like tampa bay Rays??

Lunchbox45
3 years 11 months ago

you’re soooooooo cool. 

$1529282
3 years 11 months ago

“Good luck ever making the playoffs with the Yankees and Red Sox in your division” ~ Skoods to Rays fans circa 2005

Lunchbox45
3 years 11 months ago

No, sorry.. Until a GM makes the playoffs, he’s not a good GM. Unfortunately that is currently our only measuring stick of a GM’s success.

Guys like this make me laugh, they somehow consider themselves ‘fans of the game’ but refuse to acknowledge any sort of success outside of their own organization..

Casor_Greener
3 years 11 months ago

Information from Fan Graphs

Brett Lawrie WAR = 2.7; Best Farm System(assuming they have the best) WAR  = 5.1; – Sean Marcum WAR = 2.7; Mike Napoli WAR = 5.6
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Now we can’t guarantee that Napoli and Marcum would have done the same for Toronto but we also can’t guarantee the top 5 farm system will equate to 5.1 WAR, if Rasmus will ever come back, if Lawrie will continue to progress etc.  Marcum was actually worth 3.6 WAR in 2010

He also cleared the Well contract which accounted to significant cost savings.

So as of right now, he has saved a bunch of money. This can equally be attributed to the ignorance of Tony Reagins, as much as, if not moreso than the genius of Anthro.  He also managed to break even on “theoretical” wins. 

If I’m missing anything let me know.

notsureifsrs
3 years 11 months ago

ONLY WHEN HE MAKES GOOD MOVES IN THE FUTURE WILL I RESPECT HIS GOOD MOVES OF THE PAST. BECAUSE I’M SMART

notsureifsrs
3 years 11 months ago

you’re missing context. how could ‘breaking even’ in 2011 with 2012 free agent marcum be as good for the team as <1 service time top prospect lawrie?

the jays had next to no chance of competing in 2011, just like 2010. you cash in on players who aren't likely to be a part of the competitive future if a good opportunity arises. it did. the marcum trade was a big win

so was the halladay trade. and the rasmus trade. and the wells trade. and the morrow trade. and the wallace trade(s). and the escobar trade. and the escobar extension. and the romero extension. and the bautista extension

i mean come off it guy; he's done extremely well. that doesn't mean he's perfect and it doesn't mean the jays are guaranteed a thing. it means … he's done extremely well. and jays fans should be optimistic

Lunchbox45
3 years 11 months ago

 hahaha this is funny… You atleast try to use stats to make your point, gotta atleast kind of respect you for that.. but you conveniently (or not) leave out information that completely contradicts your opinion at every turn..

For instance it wasn’t 1 year of Lawrie for 1 Year of Marcum, it was 6 Years of Lawrie  for 2 Years of Marcum.. So ya theres that.

So when asked if you are missing anything, short answer would be, a lot.

Lunchbox45
3 years 11 months ago

 hahahaha I love I mean loveeee the, oh, the prospects we sent you, cost controlled for 6 years havent produced as much as THE VETERAN that you sent back our way last year, therefore you lost the trade..

This is like calling the dodgers winners in the Santana for Casey Blake Trade.

Casor_Greener
3 years 11 months ago

If you want to crown him as the greatest GM then do it.  MY statements are centered around the fact that we can’t label him great at this point in time. 

IF we disagree on that point then fine. I prefer actual results rather than theoretical. The Brewers sacrificed to possibly win a championship now. Anthro took a chance on winning in the future. I’d say they both did OK, but as far as I am concerned judging any GM can only be done in hindsight.

It’s like saying this team had the greatest draft, but most of end up being bust 5 years later

Lunchbox45
3 years 11 months ago

whoever’s team wins the world series this year has the best GM in the league.. That trade he made 4 years ago, really worked out this year. 

Casor_Greener
3 years 11 months ago

Once again, the Dodgers made it to the playoffs several times with Casey Blake. Santana as good as he is, const controlled etc.  The Indians are still losers.

Winning is what counts in my book. I didn’t say the other GMs won the trade or vice versa, I”m saying it’s too ealry to label the guy great.

The oinly thing you have to argue with is “He saved money and cost control”. If Marcum and NApoli sign extensions to stay, then one of those points is moot. They are just as likely to not stay or repeat their success as your prospects are to be busts.

Either way I’m done going in circles. We differ on the greatness of the dude.

notsureifsrs
3 years 11 months ago

“If you want to crown him as the greatest GM then do it.”

if you want to argue with strawmen, do it. i’ll just go back to laughing

my statements about him have been precise and limited. respond to them or do not respond to me imo

notsureifsrs
3 years 11 months ago

” I prefer actual results rather than theoretical.”

like how are you not getting it. the future hasn’t happened yet (mind blown). all we can do is evaluate what has happened. what has happened has been very good

it’s on you to make the case that instead of making the good moves he has in order to prepare his organization to be a consistent future contender AA could and should have made a world series run in his first 2 years since taking over a jays club that was sunk in the cellar of baseball’s toughest division

the brewers and jays didn’t have the same starting points in 2011 or 2010 and they don’t have similar paths (divisions) or goals (minimum talent requirements). context

Casor_Greener
3 years 11 months ago

I’m willing to bet, if I could view the board from years ago (if they existed), that the same people touting the greatness of AA were saying the same about JP Ricc. I never said his moved were bad or stupid, nor did I say he should be winning a World Series. My point is that he cannot be labeled great.

He has made some good moves as pretty much every GM is prone to do. I provided evidence showing his wheeling and dealing has resulted in an adjusted basis of 0 wins. I acknowledged the fact he saved money and that getting Lawrie was nice.

His moves weren’t extraordinary or deserving of excessive praise in my eyes at this point in time. YMMVnuff said

notsureifsrs
3 years 11 months ago

“deserving of excessive praise”

impossible by definition, innit?

that kind of sums up your approach to this. allude to some vague standard he couldn’t possibly have met in this 2 year tenure (nor could anyone else) and then conclude that all praise of his moves is overblown because he hasn’t reached that impossible standard yet

as i’ve said already, time could prove anthopolous to be a flash in the pan. but right now there’s reason to rave. any GM in the game would tell you as much

Lunchbox45
3 years 11 months ago

 find me where I called him great.. You were selling him way short so I intervened and you have yet to provide any solid form of rebuttal..

and you saying that its okay to make a bad trade aslong as the team keeps winning is a beyond absurd way of thinking. . because the dodgers could have been THAT much better and the indians could have been THAT much worse..

I know its just your opinion and your entitled to it, its just completely wrong

Lanidrac
3 years 11 months ago

But not what we needed to win this year.  If we weren’t going to get the necessary improvements to our 2011 pitching staff in any Rasmus trade, we were never going to trade him at all.

Lanidrac
3 years 11 months ago

The Cardinals are quite aware that they probably gave up a lot of future value, but it’s not moronic to sell low on a guy with some warning signs and with an already available replacement in order to get into the playoffs now.