NL East Notes: Phillies, Mets, Morgan

Jimmy Rollins said earlier today that there's a "good chance" he re-signs with the Phillies after the season. Here are some more updates from around the NL East, where all five teams are in offseason mode…

  • Ryan Howard's five-year, $125MM contract ranks fourth on Joe Posnanski's list of the ten worst contracts in baseball at Howard, whose deal kicks in next season, is "becoming a less and less useful player all the time," Posnanski writes.
  • The Phillies interviewed Orioles scouting director Joe Jordan for their director of player development position this week, according to Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun. Philadelphia now has a short window to decide whether they're going to offer Jordan the job, which previously fell under Chuck LaMar's responsibilities.
  • The Phillies will look to sign a free agent closer this offseason and a division rival could be interested in similar relievers. GM Sandy Alderson has hinted that the Mets will find their next closer on the free agent market, according to Anthony DiComo of
  • A Spring Training conflict between Jayson Werth and Nyjer Morgan nearly escalated to the point that punches were thrown, according to Dave Sheinin of the Washington Post. Now a member of the Brewers, Morgan has emerged as a star (along with his many alter egos). 

85 Responses to NL East Notes: Phillies, Mets, Morgan Leave a Reply

  1. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Apparently Crawford’s deal is worse than Howard’s…  Either that or Posnanski is a reject.

    • grant77 4 years ago

      Not a hard point to argue, Crawford may be the worst signing of all time and I said that before 2011.

      • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

        at least you’re used to being laughed at, then. crawford’s contact is bad but he wasn’t even the worst signing of 2011

      • MaineSox 4 years ago

        It’s actually a very hard point to argue.  According to the dollar figure values on FanGraphs (which admittedly aren’t perfect) Crawford was worth an average of $20.85 million per years his last four years in Tampa.  I think it’s safe to assume that he was, and is, going to be overpaid for his time in Boston, but he’s still a very good player. 

        They’ve got his deal as worse than Werth’s, Dunn’s, Soriano’s, Lackey’s, Zito’s etc.  It’s by no means a good deal, but for it to be in that category he’d almost have to play at the level he did this year for the remainder of his contract.

        As for “worst signing of all time,” you’re being completely ridiculous.

        • Casor_Greener 4 years ago

          I think it will go down as one of the worst ever, but yeah “the worst” is a stretch

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            It could, he could completely tank for the rest of his contract and end up released, that’s always a possibility.  But to say that it is already the worst, or even one of the worst, is foolish.

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            carl crawford is simply too talented of a player to tank the contract. I full expect him to be the player he was before the deal. He just needs to stop thinking he needs to be worth the contract by being a hero. 

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            He said something interesting in an interview toward the end of the season and I wish I could find it again.  But basically he said he was uncomfortable hitting behind the guys like Ortiz and Gonzalez instead of in front of them because he always felt like he needed to get the big hit, or hit a home run and drive runs in, when what he’s used to is just having to get on base to be the guy getting driven in.

            I don’t know how much of an affect that had on him this year, but I definitely think it had something to do with it.

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            its all mental with him 100%.. hes one of the most athletic players to ever play the game and showed that in his years with the rays..

      • dc21892 4 years ago

        After one season it’s the worst signing of all time? Give me a break.

    • twenty1thirteen 4 years ago

      Pos should have stuck with writing about the Royals in the KC Star. His SI articles are a joke.

  2. grant77 4 years ago

    Nyjer Morgan is a star?

    • Literally what I said.

    • No, Morgan is a low life.

    • johnsilver 4 years ago

      What happens to them when they implode more like it with his attitude.

      A classic case of GM’s putting some baseball talent above ethics when he is even on a MLB roster at all. this guy would have been playing in some other country, rather than MLB 20 years ago if he wanted to continue his ‘career”.

  3. Please take Joe Jordan.  PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Rabbitov 4 years ago

      Joe Jordan is a good guy and a smart baseball mind. He outthought himself at times but you can’t really think he was the problem.

      1) The O’s never offered (or had a chance to offer) arbitration to type A or B free agents so almost never had more than 1-2 picks in the first two rounds.

      2) The O’s signed some type A guys killing the chance to have those picks.

      3) Player development, Stockstill’s job, was atrocious basically crippling the players Jordan drafted.

      4) MacPhail refused to sign impact international players making any bad move Jordan had in the draft highlighted by 1000000.

      5) Jordan has a bottom 5 smallest scouting staff in the entire major leagues, and bottom in the division (its not even close).  

      In my eyes, Jordan did an amazing job with what he was given. 

      • Here’s my problem with Jordan.  Outside of Delmonico and Arrieta I can’t think of one time he drafted a high upside guy with signability/price questions.  This is a huge area for growth for any team as the draft is the cheapest way to get talent.

        The other thing is his insistence on drafting similar players year after year.  How many Trent Mummey types do we draft in the first 5 rounds before 1 pans out or Jordan realizes that’s not a great strategy.

        That said, I think Jordan was the best member of a flawed front office (besides maybe Klentak?!?!).  That said, I think the O’s need to clean house and start fresh.  A new GM means an opportunity to do just that.

        • Rabbitov 4 years ago

          Narron, Wieters (I know, but he fits what you asked), Bobby Bundy, Ryan Berry, Michael Ohlman to name a few.  

          I do understand what you are getting at, that he has passed over some consensus top 100 guys who dropped to later rounds, but when the Os only have 2 picks in the first two rounds and the supplemental rounds are as big as the rounds themselves there is almost paper thin room for error. 

          Jordan in my eyes did a B+ job.  If he didn’t draft Hobgood, which was a categorically awful pick, I’d give him an A.  

          • I suppose.  I’d give him a B- simply because maximizing value in those first 5 rounds is crucial.  IMO no team should pass over a player with signability issues (especially if their pick is protected).  No excuse.  Maybe you don’t sign the guy, maybe you do.  Either way you’ll get the pick back next year and have chances to pick up those other guys in later rounds.

      • Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

        The Phillies already have an amazing scouting department… I can’t see this guy coming in and screwing it up. He has drafted some big guys, granted with high draft picks, but I’m curious to see how he’d fare under our system. He’s had busts but most prospects are busts.

        The Phillies are going to have a tough time finding a guy since they simply don’t invest any sort of money into the draft. The Pirates spent more on their 2nd round pick than the Phillies did on their draft.

  4. rainyperez 4 years ago

    The worst that can happen to Howard is if he makes the last out of the 2012 season to end the chances of the Phillies making the post season. 

  5. highski 4 years ago

    I wouldn’t quite phrase Nyjer Morgan as a “star.”  C’mon.

    • rainyperez 4 years ago

      Nyjer Morgan star!?

      This deserves a GOB Bluth, “C’mon!”

  6. dirtydez 4 years ago

    Howard’s is the worst from this point going forward.  A-Rod’s contract is horrific as well but it doesn’t hurt NY as bad as Philly.  Mauer and Tulo’s will get ugly in a few years. 

    • imachainsaw 4 years ago

      perhaps, but Tulo and Mauer are and have been higher quality players than Ryan Howard and their contracts run for less annual salary. Also Ryan Howard’s contract will completely consist of decline years, whereas barring unforeseen career changing injury, Tulo’s will consist mostly of his ‘Prime’ years.

    • Matt Moore 4 years ago

      How can you even mention “Tulo” when talking about bad contracts. I think he is by far the best all around SS in the major leagues right now.

      • dirtydez 4 years ago

        I hope you’re around in 2020 because i will respond to this post and say i told ya so.  Remember this day Matt.

  7. Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

    1. Nyger Morgan hasn’t grown up.
    2. I can’t believe there really are 4 worse contracts than the one Ryan signed.

    • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

      Wells, Rios, Zito, Soriano. 

      • Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

        Good point.

        At least 2 of those were bad free agent signings. I mean a bad contract is a bad contract, but bidding against a team helps that. Ryan Howard was going onto the market with (at the time) 3 superior first basemen. Now, it’s just two. (I’ve finally gotten on the Fielder is better than Howard train… at least slightly).

        • vtadave 4 years ago


          • Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

            “slightly” better than the #’s Howard put up before 2010.

            Extremely now.

        • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

          fielder is far superior at this point to ryan howard..

          and now with that Achilles tear, howard is going to be off his feet for a long while.. and he’ll probably get in to fielderesque shape. 

          I’d like to add Braun’s extension in to the mix.. He’s amazing and I love him, but there was just no need for it.

          • Matt Moore 4 years ago

            First someone mentioned Tulo and now Braun????? I think you need to accept that its not 1970 anymore and to have a star player you have to pay. This annoys me as much as everyone but this is the time we live in, where if the best player in baseball was 40 and a f/a he would get a 10 yr deal…

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            reading comprehension helps

            “He’s amazing and i love him, but there was just no need for it”

            Braun was already signed until 2015, the brewers then felt the need to offer him a 5 year extension for 105 mil, good until 2020..

            I will mail you 10 bucks canadian if you can adequately show me that their are more positives than negatives to the extension.

          • Matt Moore 4 years ago

            Well they will basically have him his whole career if they want him that long. Its not even that much money for a really good player.

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

             but the extension saved them no money.. they could have literally waited 3 years and given him the same extension..

          • rundmc1981 4 years ago

            12 years/$150M…if Braun wanted to and had Scott Boras as his agent, the man could easily take his numbers on the open market and get almost almost twice that (not in 1 contract). Recognize a discount when you’re getting one. 

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            but he wasn’t a free agent you tool, he had no leverage!

            you’re comparing apples to bowling balls.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            They’ll have him for basically his whole career whether they want to or not at this point.  That’s why the extension makes no sense; why lock yourself into that when you have no idea what is going to happen down the road and you don’t need to do it?

          • rundmc1981 4 years ago

            Sorry he’s no Corey Hart.

          • rundmc1981 4 years ago

            Re: Braun…that’s one of the dumbest statements I’ve read in awhile. And especially ill-timed considering MIL is at 1-1 vs. STL in the NLCS mostly because of the Hebrew Hammer (much more so than Prince). With the deals in place, MIL will be paying Braun $150M for 12 years of his service (2008-2020), not including an option for 2021. Compare Jayson Werth’s current contract from WSH (7 years/$126M) and that’s insane. Braun will finish in the top 2 in MVP voting and knowing that Pujols is getting older, it looks like he (and Matt Kemp) will take home multiple MVP honors through Braun’s current contract. Knowing the escalating costs of power hitters in their prime, that’s a much better contract than COL’s contract to SS Tulo. As a Braves fan, I’d kill to have someone like Braun hitting #3 in my lineup for 12 years at $200M, let alone $150M!

  8. Christopher David 4 years ago

    Nyjer Morgan is a piece of garbage. Truly classless. He could hit .400 for the next 10 seasons, and he would still be trash. I hope he charges the wrong mound real soon and gets some sense headlocked and punched into him.

    • Chris Volstad (6 ft. 8 inches) and Gaby Sanchez say hi…

      • FacelessGeneralManager 4 years ago

        I wish they would have beat him so badly, and I was thinking that during that game as a Nats fan.

        • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

          Morgan’s a hockey player, he can handle his own. 

          • FacelessGeneralManager 4 years ago

            Apparently not, did you see that fight. He didn’t do much of anything accept get tackled by gaby sanchez. I think he threw one punch.

        • Alexander_Brovechkin 4 years ago

          I still remember that fight. I was in my car listening to it happen live on the radio and knew I’d have to check out the video. Charlie Slowes was beside himself — yelling that it didn’t even hit him and he charged anyways, and how he got owned by Sanchez? I think that the was who tackled him.

    • Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

      Nyger Morgan vs. Kyle Farnsworth… somebody make that happen.

    • Lastings 4 years ago

      I like Nyjer… he makes Lastings look like a saint.

  9. Scott Rosenberg 4 years ago

    Well i think the real argument is…what makes someone a “star.”  He has become a lot more popular over the last few months.  Maybe that’s a star… who knows.

  10. FacelessGeneralManager 4 years ago

    Nyjer Morgan a star? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!! Anyone remember him charging the mound last year and running over not one, but two catchers without reason? Thats the real morgan, not this fool that is playing everyone.

  11. Poz’s line of “[…] I guess you could call Crawford Aaron Rowand with a sunroof” was really awesome.

  12. Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

    I’m surprised we haven’t heard more about the Phillies search for a farm director… it’s a pretty glarring need for a team getting older.

    I hope they get the right guy but it’ll take a miricale worker to turn the Phillies into a top 5 farm system after the trades and the limited draft budget (that’s why LaMarr resigned, among other reasons aparently) and terrible draft positioning. The Phillies have a good farm system now with Trevor May developing into the pitcher everyone expected him to be, Biddle having a great season, and some other lower level guys, plus Galvis finally showing signs of hitting. It’s just not at the point where you see the New Wave of Phillies like you do with the Yankees. The new wave of Phillies has become the future of the Blue Jays.

    • Youknowwho... 4 years ago

      Is so sad but true. I hope those prospects do well but at the same time I hope they all do nothing in MLB for the jays to make it hurt less.

    • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

      none of those prospects will ever be as good as doc.

      and it will be a few years until all 3 of them add up to the value of 1 doc..

      d’arnaud does look awesome though.

      • Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

        D’arnaud looks like a star. He was the one guy in that deal I was going to miss… and I didn’t even think he’d become this kind of a prospect. No doubt I’d rather have Halladay though.

  13. nats2012 4 years ago

    Morgan a star?

  14. nats2012 4 years ago

    What could possibly make Jayson Werth want to punch Nyjer Morgan?

  15. bigpat 4 years ago

    Nothing would be sweeter than seeing someone put Nyjer Morgan in his place! Waiting for the Brewers fans to tell me how bitter I am but I can’t stand him, but I don’t really hate the team, I respect what they’ve accomplished. I don’t have a problem with Fielder, Braun is meh, and I’m a huge fan of the Brewers pitchers, especially Axford. I want to like that team but Morgan makes it so difficult. 

    • Ian_Smell 4 years ago

      It’s ok, I have enough hate for two Pirate fans.

  16. Bob 4 years ago

    Nyjer will go back to hitting .220 next year.

  17. nyjer morgan….star or milton bradley number 2? discuss!!!

  18. bigpat 4 years ago

    He had a fluky babib and UZR bloated season, he should fall back to earth very soon, happens all the time. Andres Torres and Franklin Guiterrez say hi. 

    • RedCaps 4 years ago

      His UZR is in line with his career (UZR/150 this year was 15, career is 18.4), and his BABIP isn’t all that flukey considering his speed (in ’09 it was .355). Dislike him all you want, but this isn’t the first time he put up a good season. Is he a star? No, not at all; but he’s a pretty good player (two seasons of 4 or more WAR in the past three), especially considering he plays CF.

  19. Tom Knuppel 4 years ago

    Nyjer is an above average player this year but by no means is a “star” on the baseball field. He did get the media to notice him this year , therefore, if they have something to write about, he becomes a star to them. 
    The Cardinals exposed him Monday night as a below average defender with a weak bat.

  20. hgr900 4 years ago

    They misspelled loudmouth as star

  21. So I guess this makes Lucas Duda a star as well.

  22. Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

    Chase Utley cursed on National Television twice and he’s a star (was)… although the first time was an accident but the 2nd time he knew what he was doing.

    I can’t stand Morgan though. He mocks Pujols, he picks a fight with Carpenter, the guy’s just a bush league player and doesn’t realize how truly lucky he is to still have a career as a MLB player after last year. All the talent in the world but nothing upstairs.

  23. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    “He’s 31″

    what’s that got to do with it?

    “never posted an OPS above .780″

    he’s a centerfielder — a good one — and an above average hitter. stars don’t have to be sluggers

    “outside of this year never hit .300 in a full seasons worth of plate appearances.”

    lol this year wasn’t a full season either. so if this year counts, so does 2009 when he played more games and hit .307 (not that batting average matters much)

    in other words, 2 of his three seasons of a regular have featured .300+ averages and above average hitting overall. selective sampling on your part

    i wouldn’t call him a star, but he’s no slouch. and yes, i hate him too

  24. Matt Moore 4 years ago

    “flaunts his gangster upbringing” made me lol. So now all black men that have fun playing baseball (could be a bit much) are from a “gangster upbringing”? His voice sounds like he was raised in the burbs to me, the gangster in my city dont sound like white guys.

  25. Repconsul 4 years ago

    Really? Guy is a jerk and needs to get his … kicked, but stereotypes aren’t fitting.  Morgan was “born in San Francisco, but raised in San Jose. I go surfing in Santa Cruz. Plush has a surfboard.”  He was raised surfing and playing hockey in the suburbs, what “gangster upbringing?”

    Not a fan, he’s over-rated when not sucking. His happy fun crap makes people ignore his bad stats; caught stealing how many times? Hits league average on the year and is a “star?” When he blows up, and he will, Brewers fans will feel stupid for liking the guy. Ask Pirates/Nats…even Cardinals fans…

  26. Casor_Greener 4 years ago

    I was going to be offended, but it is pretty damn funny

  27. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    so you reply to a boarder line racist comment with a slightly more racist comment?  People of different social standings speak in different ways.. being uneducated is not exclusive to the poor and being articulate is not exclusive to the rich . 

  28. NickinIthaca 4 years ago

    Flamboyant white guys…. 

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that

  29. FacelessGeneralManager 4 years ago

    No you are not alone my friend, you aren’t alone by far. I can not stand him and many many others can’t either.

  30. Sniderlover 4 years ago

    I find him pretty entertaining. It’s probably someone I wouldn’t like if I met him but he’s fun to watch.

  31. twenty1thirteen 4 years ago

    Seriously, can you imagine making the salary this guy does with such a douchey attitude? This is nothing new, unfortunately. 

  32. Infield Fly 4 years ago

    being uneducated is not exclusive to the poor and being articulate is not exclusive to the rich .

    …And to that I would add that ignorance is not exclusive to the uneducated. It’s an equal opportunity defect.

    Props to you, hermano!

  33. Matt Moore 4 years ago

    No his comment was completely racist and mine wasnt racist at all.

  34. Matt Moore 4 years ago

    And do you think that all poor people are gangsters? Cause thats what he said.

  35. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    read my post again, i clearly called his statement boarder line racist as well. so ya. nice reply though.

  36. Rabbitov 4 years ago

    Who “liked” your comment?  I am not sure your reading comprehension skills are very good. 

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