Red Sox Notes: Epstein, Wallach, Lackey, Padres

Here's the latest from Fenway Park…

  • "People around the game [are] getting [the] idea that" Theo Epstein will likely remain as Boston's GM, reports Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated (Twitter link).  Yesterday, Heyman reported that "a slight majority" of people around baseball believed Epstein would turn down a job offer from the Cubs.
  • Dodgers third base coach Tim Wallach is under consideration for the manager's job, reports Michael Silverman of the Boston Globe.  Wallach "is still at the stage of being considered for an interview," according to several sources.  Wallach's name was mentioned in connection with the open managerial jobs with the Dodgers, Marlins and Blue Jays last winter.
  • A Padres official tells Tom Krasovic of the Inside The Padres blog that it "is not farfetched at all" that San Diego would consider a trade for John Lackey this winter.  Krasovic thinks Lackey could benefit from pitching at Petco Park and reuniting with Bud Black, who was Lackey's pitching coach with the Angels.  Krasovic proposes a trade that would require Boston to pay most of Lackey's salary, take Orlando Hudson in return and also send "a young big leaguer or a good prospect, or two" back to the Padres.  It sounds lopsided in San Diego's favor, but given how low Lackey's stock has fallen, the Red Sox will have to meet similar trade criteria in any potential Lackey deal.


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104 Comments on "Red Sox Notes: Epstein, Wallach, Lackey, Padres"


Christopher McElroy
3 years 10 months ago

Please dont trade for Lackey!

Christopher McElroy
3 years 10 months ago

Seriously, how would that trade even work?? What position could Hudson possibly play for the Red Sox? And Lackey has been bad, but bad enough to justify eating almost all of his salary, taking on Hudson’s salary, AND giving up a big league piece or a decent prospect?

NickinIthaca
3 years 10 months ago

Although the O-dog talk seems out of nowhere, the idea of Lackey in Petco isn’t too bad.  Petco has done wonders for pitchers trying to find themselves, and should probably help with Lackey’s HR rates…  But like you said, where will Hudson play?  I guess he’d be at second, and move Pedroia over to short?  If I were the Friars I’d still want more….

Christopher McElroy
3 years 10 months ago

As long as the Sox eat a vast majority of Lackey’s salary, I wouldn’t mind the trade much. Petco is probably the best place for him to play, and with the added emphasis on defense, and the much weaker line-ups of the NL west he could potentially pitch well.

I thought about Pedroia to short and Hudson at second as well, and while it could work, its probably not a good idea to mess with one of your best players comfort levels.

NickinIthaca
3 years 10 months ago

Although we’re going back and forth, I second your thinking…  If the idea is to move Lackey to Petco and San Diego, who are the possible trade targets (however slim) for the Sox?

And I’m not one to think they (Boston) should sell as low as they would be in this situation, but just talking hypotheticals… 

Christopher McElroy
3 years 10 months ago

I honestly don’t see how this trade makes sense at all for the Sox. The teams really dont match up well in a trade (for this particular deal anyway). I dont really see the padres giving up anything of even small value for Lackey.

NickinIthaca
3 years 10 months ago

I concur…  I’m apparently just trying to verbalize any possible reason that this rumor has been mentioned…

jscout33
3 years 10 months ago

Makes less than zero sense.  Sox send Lackey, almost all his money, a good prospect or two, AND have to eat a bad contract for a player that doesn’t play a position of need for the Sox?  And the Sox would do this instead of just releasing Lackey outright BECAUSE…?  If the Sox are going to make any trade for Lackey, it’s either going to be a similar bad contract swap or one where the Sox give Lackey plus cash for either very little or a prospect, depending on how much cash they have to eat. 

Kind of trade mentioned here would get you hung up on in about a second.  Why wouldn’t the Sox just keep Lackey as a 4th/5th starter, or just release him and eat the money, rather than doing this?

Christopher McElroy
3 years 10 months ago

I honestly don’t see how this trade makes sense at all for the Sox. The teams really dont match up well in a trade (for this particular deal anyway). I dont really see the padres giving up anything of even small value for Lackey.

NickinIthaca
3 years 10 months ago

Although we’re going back and forth, I second your thinking…  If the idea is to move Lackey to Petco and San Diego, who are the possible trade targets (however slim) for the Sox?

And I’m not one to think they (Boston) should sell as low as they would be in this situation, but just talking hypotheticals… 

Christopher McElroy
3 years 10 months ago

As long as the Sox eat a vast majority of Lackey’s salary, I wouldn’t mind the trade much. Petco is probably the best place for him to play, and with the added emphasis on defense, and the much weaker line-ups of the NL west he could potentially pitch well.

I thought about Pedroia to short and Hudson at second as well, and while it could work, its probably not a good idea to mess with one of your best players comfort levels.

Slopeboy
3 years 10 months ago

If you’re going to focus on Lackey’s HR rates,then the best park for him to pitch in would be Yellowstone.

MaineSox
3 years 10 months ago

You mean his slightly under league average 9.7% HR/FB?

NickinIthaca
3 years 10 months ago

Although the O-dog talk seems out of nowhere, the idea of Lackey in Petco isn’t too bad.  Petco has done wonders for pitchers trying to find themselves, and should probably help with Lackey’s HR rates…  But like you said, where will Hudson play?  I guess he’d be at second, and move Pedroia over to short?  If I were the Friars I’d still want more….

3 years 10 months ago

I seriously doubt it’d happen. The Sox still owe Lackey $46 mill, the Padres owe Hudson $5.5 mill next year and the Sox aren’t going to pay most of Lackey’s salary AND take on extra salary by adding Hudson AND give up a young big league ready player or prospect. It’d be the most moronic trade in history. If the Sox are going to do all that, they can always just hide Lackey in the bullpen & give him the mop-up role.

Christopher McElroy
3 years 10 months ago

I agree with almost everything you just said, except for one thing. I thin the Vernon Wells deal has “Most moronic trade of all time” locked up. 

Christopher McElroy
3 years 10 months ago

I agree with almost everything you just said, except for one thing. I thin the Vernon Wells deal has “Most moronic trade of all time” locked up. 

3 years 10 months ago

I seriously doubt it’d happen. The Sox still owe Lackey $46 mill, the Padres owe Hudson $5.5 mill next year and the Sox aren’t going to pay most of Lackey’s salary AND take on extra salary by adding Hudson AND give up a young big league ready player or prospect. It’d be the most moronic trade in history. If the Sox are going to do all that, they can always just hide Lackey in the bullpen & give him the mop-up role.

BVHjays
3 years 10 months ago

Why would the Padres be trying to get rid of Orlando Hudson?

cookmeister
3 years 10 months ago

Because he is making $5.5 mil for not very much production.  I feel like I’ve read somewhere that some people in the Pads org. don’t like his attitude and they would rather let some younger players get a chance at a fraction of the cost

BVHjays
3 years 10 months ago

Interesting, hadn’t heard anything about that. I can understand playing the kids, but I’m surprised to hear of attitude issues with Hudson.

I wonder if the Jays would be interested in him next year if Kelly Johnson doesn’t re-sign/accept arbitration.

cookmeister
3 years 10 months ago

Because he is making $5.5 mil for not very much production.  I feel like I’ve read somewhere that some people in the Pads org. don’t like his attitude and they would rather let some younger players get a chance at a fraction of the cost

orneryfish
3 years 10 months ago

The NoDog was the last player out of the dugout to take the field, the last player off the field after the 3rd out, the 1st player out the clubhouse door after a game, and was in such a hurry to leave after game #162 his locker was cleaned out, his stuff was packed and he was gone 15 minutes after the last out.
He didn’t even bother to say goodbye to anyone.

He laughed when he made errors, laughed when he struck out with the bases juiced with 2 outs, forgot how many outs there were at least twice a month, and basically dogged it 2011.

There is a reason he changes teams every year.
Decent player….but gives a lot less than 100% effort and dedication.

Beersy
3 years 10 months ago

The maddening thing is that he seems to be thought of so highly by the media.  Just because he is a good interview, when he sticks around the clubhouse long enough to give one, doesn’t mean he is a good teammate.  He’s a show boat plain and simple and is only out for himself.  If the Padres can’t deal him, I would rather they just cut him and take the salary cap hit.  I can’t stand him and his antics.

Lyndsay Thompson
3 years 10 months ago

That attitude is not what the Sox org. is going to be looking for right now after the way the season ended – I know it’s generally all about numbers but I think they’ll be paying more attention to players’ attitudes next season, and looking for more Pedroias and less Mannys.

orneryfish
3 years 10 months ago

The NoDog was the last player out of the dugout to take the field, the last player off the field after the 3rd out, the 1st player out the clubhouse door after a game, and was in such a hurry to leave after game #162 his locker was cleaned out, his stuff was packed and he was gone 15 minutes after the last out.
He didn’t even bother to say goodbye to anyone.

He laughed when he made errors, laughed when he struck out with the bases juiced with 2 outs, forgot how many outs there were at least twice a month, and basically dogged it 2011.

There is a reason he changes teams every year.
Decent player….but gives a lot less than 100% effort and dedication.

3 years 10 months ago

Sounds delightful, however, how the hell would the Red Sox use Orlando Hudson? I mean they already have a MVP and Gold Glover in the position…

3 years 10 months ago

Sounds delightful, however, how the hell would the Red Sox use Orlando Hudson? I mean they already have a MVP and Gold Glover in the position…

Blue_Bomb
3 years 10 months ago

How bout no. Why trade Lackey while his stock is low? Give him a chance next season. He can’t possibly be any worse.

3 years 10 months ago

Don’t tempt “worse.” It is a given reality that “worse” generally jumps up and bites you in the able, sugar, sugar. And with a troglodyte like Lackey, you can bet on it. I still can’t believe the S.O.B. had his wife served with divorce papers while she was recovering from a double mastectomy. Hey, I’ve been divorced from an unpleasant marriage but I’d never have done that to my first wife.

Blue_Bomb
3 years 10 months ago

How bout no. Why trade Lackey while his stock is low? Give him a chance next season. He can’t possibly be any worse.

RedSoxDynasty
3 years 10 months ago

Sox would just be better off dumping Lackey than do that ridiculous deal. Odds are some team will pay Lackey 5 mil per over his last 3 years and Sox eat 30 mil and get something back in return. If Vernon Wells, Carlos Silva, Milton Bradley et al can get moved for something, so can Lackey!

BVHjays
3 years 10 months ago

That actually raises an interesting scenario… what about Lackey for Wells?

The Angels would be well-served clearing an OF spot for Mike Trout, and perhaps getting Lackey back to where he had success to be helpful for him. Wells is obviously coming off an awful year, but the Red Sox may be in the market for an outfielder anyways.

In terms of money, Lackey is owed just over $46M over the next 3 years, and Wells is owed $63M for the same period. 

Lackey is definitely the more valuable asset (as weird of a sentence as that is to say), so the Angels would probably have to add something into the deal. Perhaps the teams agree to pay the contracts as is, and just swap the players (so essentially the Angels get Lackey for 3 years/$63M and the Red Sox get Wells for 3/$46) or the Angels add in a very good prospect or young player.

Probably crazy, because as sad as it is, Lackey is the far more valuable contract, but it may make a bit of sense with the Angels compensating for that somehow.

cookmeister
3 years 10 months ago

Angels would not pay Lackey 3 years/$63 mil.  Lackey didn’t really leave on good terms, so even if the Red Sox agreed to send Lackey straight up for Wells I’m not sure the Angels would do that just (even though it would be a no brainer IMO)

cookmeister
3 years 10 months ago

Angels would not pay Lackey 3 years/$63 mil.  Lackey didn’t really leave on good terms, so even if the Red Sox agreed to send Lackey straight up for Wells I’m not sure the Angels would do that just (even though it would be a no brainer IMO)

3 years 10 months ago

Yeah. If I were Lackey, I’d want to go to San Diego as well, but this isn’t happening. Sox could just cut him if they wanted to eat his salary. If Lackey goes anywhere, the new team is going to have to pick up at least a quarter of his remaining salary and the Sox aren’t going to take on a bad contract in return. I could see packaging Lackey up with a prospect to get him off the books, but I don’t see many suitors there.

Also, if Lackey pitches at his 2010 level (4.40 ERA, 215 IP) he’ll at least provide some value to the Red Sox. It’s not like you can go grab 215 IP off of the waiver wire these days.

RedSoxDynasty
3 years 10 months ago

Sox would just be better off dumping Lackey than do that ridiculous deal. Odds are some team will pay Lackey 5 mil per over his last 3 years and Sox eat 30 mil and get something back in return. If Vernon Wells, Carlos Silva, Milton Bradley et al can get moved for something, so can Lackey!

icedrake523
3 years 10 months ago

Lackey, salary relief, and 2 prospects for Hudson? And I thought my suggestion of Jason Bay for Lackey was a reach.

icedrake523
3 years 10 months ago

Lackey, salary relief, and 2 prospects for Hudson? And I thought my suggestion of Jason Bay for Lackey was a reach.

Travis J. Liles
3 years 10 months ago

That guy must crack, no way the Sox will give up a young big leaguer or even low level prospects while paying most of Lackey’s salary along with Hudsons…  WONT HAPPEN.

Travis J. Liles
3 years 10 months ago

That guy must crack, no way the Sox will give up a young big leaguer or even low level prospects while paying most of Lackey’s salary along with Hudsons…  WONT HAPPEN.

bglaszcz
3 years 10 months ago

For how bad Lackey has been, can he really get any worse? Let him try to figure it out, and maybe trade him mid-season if he can’t.

3 years 10 months ago

Or just cut him mid season.

bglaszcz
3 years 10 months ago

For how bad Lackey has been, can he really get any worse? Let him try to figure it out, and maybe trade him mid-season if he can’t.

BoSoxSam
3 years 10 months ago

And here I thought I would support ANY trade suggestion for Lackey. I was wrong.

NickinIthaca
3 years 10 months ago

I think what stands out to me most of all is the fact that Theo is sticking around as the GM of the Sox.  I really was convinced that our friend ‘gunsnascar’ had the inside scoop that the brass around Boston wanted him out….

And just think, I spent so much time photoshopping a Sox jersey onto Carlos Zambrano to get used to what it would look like if that was their compensation….

Lyndsay Thompson
3 years 10 months ago

the Zambrano suggestions are scaring me. I’d rather have a bucket of Matt Garza’s expectoration than Zambrano on the Red Sox.  How does he keep getting contracts??

NickinIthaca
3 years 10 months ago

I think what stands out to me most of all is the fact that Theo is sticking around as the GM of the Sox.  I really was convinced that our friend ‘gunsnascar’ had the inside scoop that the brass around Boston wanted him out….

And just think, I spent so much time photoshopping a Sox jersey onto Carlos Zambrano to get used to what it would look like if that was their compensation….

3 years 10 months ago

Hey Padres, we’ll give you Reddick and Kalish with Lackey. Keepsies okay? 

Then we’ll teach Larvarnway to play RF to get more at bats. 

orneryfish
3 years 10 months ago

Give us back Adrian….
….And we’ll give you back Hoyer !!

You thieving bastuhds !!

Cankersly
3 years 10 months ago

As a Padres fan I would not mind a trade for Lackey if the Red Sox pick up most of his salary.

Though the suggested trade involving Hudson seems an odd proposal.

Christopher McElroy
3 years 10 months ago

I agree, throwing Hudson in there just seems like even more salary relief, and if that was the case why wouldnt they just eat more of Lackey’s salary? The Red Sox really would have very little use for the O-Dawg.

Travis J. Liles
3 years 10 months ago

My issue with the proposal is on top of paying most of Lackeys salary and taking on Hudsons… who in their right mind would give up a young big leaguer or a couple good prospects in the deal. 

Christopher McElroy
3 years 10 months ago

There is no one….. Except maybe Tony Reagins.

Christopher McElroy
3 years 10 months ago

I agree, throwing Hudson in there just seems like even more salary relief, and if that was the case why wouldnt they just eat more of Lackey’s salary? The Red Sox really would have very little use for the O-Dawg.

orneryfish
3 years 10 months ago

Krasovic talks out his other end sometimes….good sportswriter most of the time.

Cankersly
3 years 10 months ago

As a Padres fan I would not mind a trade for Lackey if the Red Sox pick up most of his salary.

Though the suggested trade involving Hudson seems an odd proposal.