AL East Notes: Red Sox, Oswalt, Sabathia

Red Sox GM Ben Cherington confirmed to reporters that the Red Sox and Cubs have obtained a one-week extension to work out compensation for former Boston GM Theo Epstein. Here are some more notes from the division, starting with the Red Sox…


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supersteve1492
3 years 9 months ago

Ortiz to the blue jays?

Bombastic_Dave
3 years 9 months ago

No thanks.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

“Peter Gammons of MLB Network said on WEEI’s Mut & Merloni show that he won’t be surprised if David Ortiz returns to the Red Sox this offseason. ”

Really Peter? I don’t think there is a single person who Would be surprised if he returned.

RPK3113
3 years 9 months ago

OK so based on Gammons’ track record – Ortiz ends up somewhere other than Boston and Bard is a starter next year.

soxfan0928
3 years 9 months ago

Like when Gammons said that Theo and Tito had a “disconnect”, or when he said that Theo was interested in the Cubs job, or when he said (in June) that Lackey would need Tommy John?

He’s been pretty spot on lately. 

RPK3113
3 years 9 months ago

Key word – Lately. He’s been notoriously bad in the past.

MaineSox
3 years 9 months ago

Actually, Peter has been very good overall when it comes to all things Red Sox (he was calling the Red Sox picks in the last draft minutes before they were announced and he nailed almost all of them, for example).

soxfan0928
3 years 9 months ago

A lot of people hate on Gammons because he was a Red Sox homer when he was working for ESPN, and thus they think he’s not credible. But he’s a very credible source in terms of the Red Sox. He’s got a lot of good sources.

commenter3346
3 years 9 months ago

You do know that those are things he probably straight from Theo, seeing as the two are close?

Jumsy
3 years 9 months ago

Why would the Cardinals trade Garcia for Montero?  The Cardinals already have a superb catcher.

RPK3113
3 years 9 months ago

I think Montero has quite a bit value as a non-catcher, to be honest.

3 years 9 months ago

Of course, that value seems to be as a 1B or DH.  The Cards already have a 1B (assuming they keep Pujols) and there is no DH spot.

RPK3113
3 years 9 months ago

If Pujols doesn’t come back, I’d entertain that Garcia for Montero trade in a second. Miller coming up eases that pain IMO

Marilyn Green
3 years 9 months ago

No way Miller comes up before late 2012 at the earliest most likely not until 2013.  

RPK3113
3 years 9 months ago

True – but you can find a stop gap. Buehrle?

Marilyn Green
3 years 9 months ago

Too expensive.

RPK3113
3 years 9 months ago

Not if you don’t have Pujols (which is this particular what if scenario)

stl_cards16
3 years 9 months ago

We have a Jesus Montero with a little less power and not near the hype. Allen Craig has a legitimate bat and no position.

Marilyn Green
3 years 9 months ago

Too expensive in relation to his value.  Going to want more money than his talents/age/health dictate.

RPK3113
3 years 9 months ago

I thought Buehrle wanted badly to go to STL a couple years ago when his name was on trading block? I can’t imagine he’s the type to break the bank if the spot feels right to him..

And forgot about Craig. That might actually kill this theory.

3 years 9 months ago

Regardless of Pujols being gone or not… He’s NOT replacing Albert Pujols!  Let’s get real people… Berkman will go back to 1B for a season until they trade for or develop another 1B, and that’s IF Pujols leaves (which is unlikely IMO).

As far as the other teams… Latos for Montero won’t work because according to every scout, as great a hitter he is, Montero is only a catcher because of his physical stature and contains little to no catching skills.  If he did, why wouldn’t the Yankees at least give him a CHANCE to catch just one full game, especially since Martin was doing nothing at the end of the season.

The Zimmerman for Montero trade is so laughable that I don’t even feel I need to respond to it… though I will:

A) Bryce Harper (who, I know, is likely going to the OF) so..,

B) Wilson Ramos will be their catcher.  This guy was a top 5 or 6 prospect, much like Montero, just two years ago, and Ramos started to show his promise this year by knocking 15 HR’s with a respectable .262 avg.  Which brings us to…

C) Given the facts of A + B… Zimmerman for Montero?? Zimmerman led the Nat’s in ERA and K’s.  Plus he’s 25 and is going to be the #2 behind possibly the most dominant young pitcher in baseball.  And finally…

D) Montero will not play 1st base.  Michael Morse led the Nat’s in every single offensive category, while playing 1st base.  

I do think he’ll get traded, but not to the Nat’s.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

The Montero for Zimmerman rumor mentions nothing about Montero being a C, nor does it mention Montero for Zimmerman straight up. It mentions him being a 1B. Morse is on a 1 year deal with an option for another year right? And Chris Marrero is a well below average prospect.

However I do agree in general, I don’t see that trade being done, but it is far from a “laughable” trade. Zimmerman is 5 years older, just had TJ Surgery and is on an innings limit probably next year also since he was shutdown. Point is, Zimmermann is still not a fully ready 200 inning pitcher, then of course Montero has 0 experience as a 1B.

I would see both of those teams hanging on to their future stars.

bomberj11
3 years 9 months ago

Bedard?

GMwannabe
3 years 9 months ago

there is no DH in the NL

RPK3113
3 years 9 months ago

Thanks for the clarification…

captainjeter
3 years 9 months ago

bingo.The only way they would  go  for that  would be if  Pujolis does not re-sign. Then they could convert  Montero into  a  1st baseman. I’d love to have  Garcia, especially since  he is a  lefty. But, besides Montero , it would take Betances and Banuelos. I am not  willing to part with Manny. He  has  a strong  potentional  of being better  than Garcia and Banuelos  is a  lefty.
Oswalt? No thanks . In his  prime , yes  , but not  now. There is a strong reason  the Phillies  did not  pick up  his option.

Vmmercan
3 years 9 months ago

Garcia is not elite enough to take 2 top prospects, one of which could be a younger version of him. That’s overpaying. Maybe Montero and a Warren/third prospect.

syphercx
3 years 9 months ago

I scoffed at the idea of Montero for Jaime at first, but the Cards do have Lynn, Martinez, and Miller waiting for a spot in the rotation. Miller and Martinez are pretty far away though. Scrabble is also an option for the starting rotation. 

3 years 9 months ago

Not to mention, Montero might be moved to a different position — possibly the OF.  It’s very likely he won’t always be a catcher. 

3 years 9 months ago

True, we have young high ceiling arms coming up, but we wouldn’t trade Garcia because of it. Lohse and Westbrook are gone after next year which puts Shelby in. Waino, Carp, Garcia, Miller, and a 1 year stop gap until Martinez is ready. Plus, Garcia is locked up on a cheap contract. Pretty good value if he continues his success, but with a few more innings. If he ever becomes a 200 innings guy, he’ll be a #1.

supersteve1492
3 years 9 months ago

Yeah and it makes even less sense for the Giants to trade Cain for Montero
with Posey behind the plate

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

I don’t know much about the Giants farm system, but do they have depth at 1B? 

GasLampGuru
3 years 9 months ago

Trading for Montero as a C actually makes sense for the Giants.  For starters, they now know they can’t count on Huff as the everyday 1B.  Also, there have to be serious questions as to the ability of Brandon Belt to hit major league pitching.  It would make sense to trade for Montero, leave him at C, and move Posey to 1B longterm.  

MaineSox
3 years 9 months ago

That seems to be backward; Posey can actually play catcher, so why would you move him to first and play Montero at Catcher?  Posey staying at Catcher and Montero going to first would make a lot more sense.

GasLampGuru
3 years 9 months ago

I thought they might like to move Posey to 1B in an effort to keep him healthy and prolong his career.  He had a terrible injury this year playing catcher and he’s an integral part of their team.  It seems logical that they might like to move him out from behind the plate.

commenter3346
3 years 9 months ago

… to replace him with a mediocre at best defensive catcher?

3 years 9 months ago

And it makes even less sense for the Yanks to do this trade considering Cain hits free agency next year.

Gordon Thomson
3 years 9 months ago

Do not trade Montero for anyone!  Especially those three guys mentioned.  Maybe straight up for King Felix…. otherwise, NO!

Ta-Kuan Fuan
3 years 9 months ago

Straight up for King Felix? Got anymore jokes where that came from?

3 years 9 months ago

What are you doing on this site? Shouldn’t you be the GM of a club with brilliant statements like that?

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

I hope you mean felix hernandez…

MaineSox
3 years 9 months ago

Doubront actually.

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 9 months ago

Wait what?  Saying that the Nats would trade Jordan Zimmerman for a catcher, when they are already loaded with it, is ridiculous. Ive totally discredited that article and writer after that,

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

You obviously read nothing of the article. He said that all of those trades are Unlikely and he said the Yankees would probably have to include additional prospects in some of them.

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 9 months ago

Why would i read an article about a team that is from hell? This post just says possibility of trading for J.Zim, and thats all i want to read.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

A team from hell? How creative. Not like your Nats had fans before Strasburg arrived.

Since you didn’t read the article, or at least the part about Zim, your post basically loses all credibility.

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 9 months ago

Well i have plenty of other names, but i chose this one. And how did this turn into a nats bashing post? And no, i dont lose credibility.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

You do because you said “Saying that the Nats would trade Jordan Zimmerman for a catcher”, because it does not say that Anywhere in the article. For one thing it mentions Montero as 1B for the Nats which is a strong possiblity since Marrero is a below average 1B and unless they trust Morse to keep coming back on 1 year deals, although he did get an extension for another year if I’m not mistaken. Anyway, read here:

Jordan Zimmermann: Chances are the Nationals envision a rotation that includes both Zimmermann and Stephen Strasburg at its head, so they’re not likely to deal him. If they did make him available, the Yankees would have to listen. He showed impeccable control in 2011, one year removed from Tommy John Surgery, and he could be even better heading into 2012, his age-26 season. As with Garcia he combines a quality strikeout rate with a low walk rate, though he doesn’t get as many ground balls. Still, if the Nationals want to add Montero as their first baseman, the Yankees should settle for no less than Zimmermann.

As you can see, there is, 1 – Not a single mention of the Yankees acquring him straight up, and 2 – Not a single mention of Montero being a Nationals catcher.

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 9 months ago

Wow, is this really mean that much to you? I didn’t read the article, you know that. Im never going to read it, its not worth it. I read what was in this post. Morse is arbitration eligible, fyi. Chill out man.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

Which is why i did you the favor and post the brief part of it for you

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 9 months ago

Well i only read your first paragraph soooo, still got nothing from the article other than what the post was.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

Jordan Zimmermann: Chances are the Nationals envision a rotation that
includes both Zimmermann and Stephen Strasburg at its head, so they’re
not likely to deal him. If they did make him available, the Yankees
would have to listen. He showed impeccable control in 2011, one year
removed from Tommy John Surgery, and he could be even better heading
into 2012, his age-26 season. As with Garcia he combines a quality
strikeout rate with a low walk rate, though he doesn’t get as many
ground balls. Still, if the Nationals want to add Montero as their first
baseman, the Yankees should settle for no less than Zimmermann.

roundabout77
3 years 9 months ago

Montero has more value than Latos, Garcia or Zimmermann. If Montero can hit 35-40 homeruns and knock in 115-210 runs… or even 30-35 with 105 plus

diehardmets
3 years 9 months ago

You’re the perfect example of the Homer, idiotic Yankee fan. What has Montero done? NOTHING. Those three have demonstrated ace ability, and all three are young and under team control. All 3 have exponentially more valuable than Montero.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

I pretty much agree, although I wouldn’t say Zimmermann has put up ace ability nor would I expect him to for another year or so since he might have another innings limist (although not that low) after his TJ Surgery. I do think he’ll be very good, but not as good as Latos. I think i t will be another year or 2 before Zimmermann pitches like the pitcher he’s projected to be. But yes I agree, clearly that’s a homer post by him.

alphakira
3 years 9 months ago

I genuinely hope this is a joke.

GMwannabe
3 years 9 months ago

considering he can not catch, this is a terrific statement

GMwannabe
3 years 9 months ago

theres the delusional Yankee fan we were waiting for.. geez

Ta-Kuan Fuan
3 years 9 months ago

I’m gonna reserve my opinion on Montero until he proves it over a full season. Sure, he did extremely well in the month and a half that he was up, but that’s just that. A month and a half. Yankee prospects always tend to be overvalued so I’m a bit weary of just how good he could become. Will he be a 25/90 guy or will he be a 40/120 guy? Or is it somewhere in between?

3 years 9 months ago

Yanks would be thrilled if he goes for 20 and 80 next year seeing as he will be a rookie (still qualifies I think) and likely won’t hit higher than 7th. Look around the league, that’s pretty decent DH production. As a Sox fan I think they are crazy if they don’t put in a two year offer for Ortiz. I think he’d look good in that park even at his age.

Vmmercan
3 years 9 months ago

I know. Jake Westbrook, Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy, Daniel Mccutchen, Axford and Pena if you count them….Melky Cabrera, Ohlendorf before he got hurt, Tyler Clippard, Ivan Nova…Those guys were all super prospects in the Yankees’ system who did absolutely nothing in the majors. No wait, it was the opposite.

leberquesgue
3 years 9 months ago

“Jerry Spar has the details at WEEI.com.”

Missing a link, perhaps? Not that I’m lazy, or anything…

hallwagner
3 years 9 months ago

the nats don’t need a catcher, i don’t know why jzimm for montero would be considered. they have about as much upside as each other. now if the nats needed a catcher, that would be a different story…

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

“However, the GM sees value in the innings Burnett has provided ”
Really?

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

A clever ruse. He’ll be shipped out if the Yankees can get Beltran for right field so they can finally move Swisher to the rotation.

kdawg89
3 years 9 months ago

Montero is over valued already. He hasn’t proven anything and his defense is below average. Could be a good fit for a NL team that can take the time to develop him @ 1B but I don’t see him ever being the 40/120 guy people are talking about. Those are ridiculous #’s, especially if he remains a catcher. The steroid era is supposedly a thing of the past…..

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

How is he over valued? He’s only been in the big leagues for a month. How much or how little can a player prove in a month playing time? And if you decide to look at small sample sizes anyway – 69 PA, .328/.406/.590 and 12 RBI. We know his defense is below average, but since when does that make a player’s value below average? Manny Ramirez would like a word with you!!!

kdawg89
3 years 9 months ago

The point I’m making is that people are making this guy into the best thing since sliced bread and he hasn’t earned it. Apparently no one that read my post read the whole thread and some of the ridiculous proposed trade suggestions for the guy. That’s what i was responding to so PLEASE don’t jump on me when you take what I wrote out of context to what was posted ahead of it. Thank you…

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

And apparently some who read thr suggestions read absoluty nothing about the article. The guy said absolutely nothing about these being straight up trades and he even mentioned additional prospects the yankees might have to include

kdawg89
3 years 9 months ago

I’m not gonna go back and forth with you. You’re trying to stir up a confrontation because you are one of those people that thrives on arguing…I wasn’t responding to Gammons,Pawlikowski, or the article itself, I was responding to what OTHERS had posted about trading him for Felix Hernandez straight up or Clayton Kershaw like these teams would just give the Yankees their aces for him because they (the Yankees) need pitching. Not how it works in the real world.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

I’m not trying to stir up a confrontation at all. And I apologize but it appeared as if the trade suggestions you were talking about were the ones in that article (With Garcia, Latos and Zimmermann), not the Felix/Kershaw dumb rumors.

commenter3346
3 years 9 months ago

There’s a huge difference between the defense of a catcher & the defense of an outfielder. 

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

sure, but the difference is that bad defense at the former is way more valuable than bad defense at the latter

the problem is that montero’s defense as a catcher is worse than bad; he just isn’t a catcher. having said that, i don’t see any reason he can’t be a serviceable 1B or a manny-style LF

he’s a very good prospect, but the yankees have quite a few very good prospects like him right now. what they don’t have is quality starting pitching for 2012. cashing in on the hype from his september makes sense if the right deal is there

YanksFanSince78
3 years 9 months ago

Why is 40/120 unreasonable? 

Get past the fact that he’s a Yankee prospect and this whole delusional idea that the “experts” not associated with the Yankee organization are somehow influenced to over hype Yankee prospects. He’s considered to be one of the BEST positional prospects (non-pitcher) in baseball DESPITE the fact that he’s considered, for now, to be a below average defensive C who will, by all accounts, have to be moved from the position either because of his defense OR just the fact that he figures to be a 6’5 235 type. How GREAT must his bat be IF almost all of his value is dependent upon his offensive production? I would almost dare say that if he ONLY ended up being a .280 25 hr guy then a lot of “experts” would consider him a mild bust. I think a .300 35 hr line is absolutely what’s going to be expected of him.

kdawg89
3 years 9 months ago

I just think those numbers are pushing expectations too far. Only the VERY elite hitters in the game reach those kind of numbers…and like I said the steroid era is in the past so to put up those #’s on a consistent basis would be almost impossible..NO catcher has ever put up those #’s, (it’s just too much wear and tear on the body) for more than a year except maybe Piazza and he was likely juiced most of his career. And 120 RBI with the Yankees and all the other run producers in that line up would be asking a lot from him and for a BIG fall off from Tex, Cano, Granderson and others….Maybe as a DH/1B as the main bat for another team???? I guess we’ll have to see him play a full season and if he puts up those #’s I’ll be eating crow, but till then I think he’s, as you said, a top prospect, that’s being turned into the next big thing because he’s a Yankee.

Vmmercan
3 years 9 months ago

Yes, you Kdawg and your wise advanced scouting skills>five years of scouting by actual scouts.

The worst part? If Montero doesn’t go 40/120 ever in his career, you say “told you so” even though 99% of prospects don’t reach their potential.

If he does?

You never comment on it again and nobody calls you out because they would have stopped remembering this idiotic statement years before Montero reaches his prime.

kdawg89
3 years 9 months ago

SERIOUSLY?? Oh thank you all great baseball guru for calling me out on this…..and basically making my argument for me..and once again for not reading ANY other posts I have made about this. Thank you SO much for putting me in my place because my 40 plus years of being a fan and watching “can’t miss” guys flop repeatedly and seeing teams trade established stars for potential and getting screwed have absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that a straight up trade for Felix Hernandez or Clayton Kershaw and the fact people are already projecting him to be a 40/120 guy  (which are the IDIOTIC statements I was referring to) would be ridiculous until Montero has actually done something to warrant it….Now go sit down until the adults are done speaking….And BTW I’m sure you’ll have something witty or rude to say back to which I will ignore anyway since I’ve spoken my mind, so have at it

kräftig. entschieden
3 years 9 months ago

JZimm for Montero is ludicrous, even if he’s a 1B and not a catcher. JZimm is a dominant, young SP who’s proven himself in the MLB. Montero is a bat-only prospect.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

I don’t see that trade being done, Nats have no reason to trade Zimerrmann, but I don’t see it being an unfair trade.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 9 months ago

In terms of mlb service and production Zim > Montero. 

However, how has Zim proven himself as a dominant starter who has proven himself when he’s only had a 1 good year? Last year was basically his first full season and it came after having TJ surgery.

PS- Miguel Cabrera and Prince Fielder offer NOTHING in terms of defense so please stop diminishing him because he may never be a stellar defensive anything. If he were average or better at ANY position he would easily be mentioned as the #1 or #2 prospect in baseball and we wouldn’t be having this conversation about Zimmerman for Montero.

nats2012
3 years 9 months ago

Scratch Jordan Zimmermann off that list, we have Wilson Ramos, Derek Norris, and Jesus Flores. Catching is not the position to temp the Nats plus I dont think they would trade Zimmermann.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

Chris Marrero is their best 1B prospect (12th overall in the organization) and I read he is nothing more than average. Although this can depend on how long Morse remains with the Nationals. He got a contract extension correct? However I do agree I don’t see them trading Zimmermann

3 years 9 months ago

I couldn’t find a better place to post this, and I know it was hinted at in an earlier post, but the Sox officially interview Dale Sveum today for the managerial opening. Please God let there be other options…

nats2012
3 years 9 months ago

I just read the article about Montero and he even writes the moves are unlikely with Mat Latos being the most likely of the three. He was just giving ideas.

jagteq
3 years 9 months ago

Nice to see someone actually read the article.  The entire POINT was that those guys were the only ones who might make sense for the Yankees to give up Montero for, not that they were guys who would plausibly actually get traded for him.  I think the article kind of showed that it’s very unlikely that Montero gets traded this year since there’s not even any viable targets that make sense to pursue.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

Exactly.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 9 months ago

it doesn’t matter. they read what they want into these articles. it’s like there some sort of envious green monster. “me hate Yanks. me read something ’bout Yanks. me want to smash things”.

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 9 months ago

Me would never read anything bout the evil empire, why bother with that crap? Oh and is the envious green monster a reference to the Red Sox and Fenway?

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

Me would never read? If you are a GM I do hope you remain faceless lol

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 9 months ago

If you read the post above mine, it clearly says, “Me hate Yanks. Me read something bout Yanks. Me want to smash things”  So i continued that. And you were the one complaining i didnt read the article before? Hm.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

He’s just imitating others.

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 9 months ago

So why would you call me out ion bad grammar when i was just “imitating others?”