Latest On Andrew Bailey

4:43pm: The Mariners have inquired on Bailey, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (on Twitter).  Olney suggests the A's will definitely move the reliever this offseason.

12:48pm: The A's are very willing to trade Bailey, tweets Danny Knobler of CBS Sports.  He notes that the Phillies had interest before they signed Jonathan Papelbon.

11:19am: A Reds source agrees that Alonso is way too much for Bailey, writes MLB.com's Mark Sheldon.  Sheldon notes that starting pitching is a more pressing need for the Reds than a closer.

9:00am: The Reds are talking about a possible deal for Athletics closer Andrew Bailey, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney.  The A's are interested in Yonder Alonso, tweets Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM and ESPN.com.  The Reds have a need at the back end of their bullpen, with Francisco Cordero entertaining offers as a free agent.  The Blue Jays are also known to have Bailey on the radar.

Bailey, 27, posted a 3.24 ERA, 8.9 K/9, 2.6 BB/9, 0.6 HR/9, and 37.1% groundball rate in 41 2/3 innings this year.  He missed time with an oblique injury in 2010, and also had elbow surgery in September of that year.  Effects of the procedure caused him to miss most of the first two months of the 2011 campaign.

Bailey is under team control through 2014, and we project him for a reasonable $3.5MM in 2012 as he'll be arbitration eligible for the first time. 


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228 Comments on "Latest On Andrew Bailey"


Ángelo Bastardo
3 years 8 months ago

Yasmani Grandal is the man

chico65
3 years 8 months ago

He certainly is.  Which is why the Reds won’t part with him, in my opinion.

cubs223425
3 years 8 months ago

Well, they have Mesoraco, so they might. I was wondering if this would involve Alonso in some capacity, but I’m not sure how the two would compare his value to Bailey’s.

That the Reds have two unproven catching prospects and Mesoraco gets credited as the better of the two makes the Grandal speculation a rather reasonable one.

chico65
3 years 8 months ago

You can never have too many “good” catching prospects.  Exhibit A: Saltalamacchia, Teagarden, Ramirez.

If they decide to get rid of one, then maybe.  I just think Alonso would be much more likely than one of the catchers.

CalvaryCougar
3 years 8 months ago

yep….grandal or meso could move to first

redsox927
3 years 8 months ago

i hope the reds trade for him while the Red Sox are focused on getting a manager in place so i don’t have to worry about the Sox overpaying for him.

jb226
3 years 8 months ago

I doubt Bailey is going to be cheap, prospect-wise.  Is this really the best use of those prospects for the Reds, given that there are approximately eleventy billion closers available right now for just money?  I realize the main purpose of the trade would be to get a closer cheaper than they feel they can in free agency, but prospects are an even more limited resource.  Wouldn’t a starting pitcher be a smarter use?

Jamie Sayer
3 years 8 months ago

Especially when Type A relief pitchers don’t cost a pick now, I’d think teams would rather take advantage of that before looking at a trade option.

Chris Whitby
3 years 8 months ago

Why wouldn’t a type A reliever require a draft pick

The_Porcupine
3 years 8 months ago

The Reds need a #1-2 starting pitcher and need all the prospects they have to get one.  I have a hard time believing that a package of Grandal and Alonso wouldn’t have the Rays thinking twice about not trading Shields.  Heck, trade for Gio if you’re talking to the A’s.

Zuidvogels
3 years 8 months ago

Within the next 3 hours or so we will see add on to this story….

12:00pm Reds GM says team is currently not in any talks with the Athletics for closer Andrew Bailey. Team is currently looking into all possible avenues to fill the teams closer role. The Reds could be interested if the A’s asking price for Bailey comes down.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

A’s probably want Alonso

johnnycomelately9
3 years 8 months ago

That was my thinking.  Hold out for a Sheilds deal instead Reds.  Even if you have to throw in another prospect.

Let_Timmy_Smoke
3 years 8 months ago

I’m thinking either Alonso or Grandal.  Both are blocked in Cincy.  Although how many first base types do the As already have (Barton, Carter, Allen, Ka’ihue, Doolittle)?  Is Beane planning on throwing them in a steel cage to settle it once and for all (if so, I feel REALLY bad for Barton).

dbreer23
3 years 8 months ago

I agree, this seems like Beane is trying to rebuild the ’99 A’s.  at this point, I think Doolittle can be moved off of that list.  Barton _might_ be non-tendered (though I think he should be kept), KK probably gets moved, cut, or demoted in Spring Training. 

If the A’s do land Alonso (which I can’t see, for Bailey alone at least) – Carter/Allen as a LF/DH rotation, Alonso to 1B, Barton as a 1B/DH fill-in, and hope that either Allen, Barton or Carter builds some trade value.

mjnord
3 years 8 months ago

Doolittle is a pitcher now and if we got Alonso I think he would take the starting job. 

Fred_G_Sanford
3 years 8 months ago

i may be a dumb uninformed parody of a dead black man from an old sitcom but that was funny.

BoSoxSam
3 years 8 months ago

Would like to see some Boston interest in Bailey. Although who knows what we can trade for him.

Phadreus
3 years 8 months ago

Lowrie and Reddick

BoSoxSam
3 years 8 months ago

I would actually be fine with that. But would Oakland?

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

no

chico65
3 years 8 months ago

I think Lars in a package would pique Oakland’s interest, though I have no idea why.  

BoSoxSam
3 years 8 months ago

I would throw Lars in with Lowrie and Reddick, but I get the feeling Oakland still says no.

Ned Gold
3 years 8 months ago

Make it happen Barry Chenningchino!

Rcsully
3 years 8 months ago

Lars,Reddick,Doubront and Lowrie for Gio and Bailey

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

Ha! Dream on, fella.

Rcsully
3 years 8 months ago

Why Dream? It is a known fact that Oaklnad is looking to move both Gio and Bailey before walk years. Neither Gio or Bailey will be on A’s come April

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

neither player is near a walk year and lars-reddick-doubront-lowrie is a parody package

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

First off, Gio’s under team control for four more years, and Bailey is for three more.

Second, because of how much time is left on those contracts, the A’s are going to ask for the moon for Bailey and the entire universe for Gio.

So tell me what’s so special about any of those three Sox prospects you mentioned that makes you think the A’s would accept that package for a 26-year-old left-handed ace-in-the-making and a 28-year-old stud reliever?

PS – I ignored Lowrie on purpose.

Ferrariman
3 years 8 months ago

because Red Sox prospects are superior to other team’s prospects and major leaguers, didn’t you know?

Ohhhplease
3 years 8 months ago

Because a Red Sox fan said so…duhhhhhhhhhh

mjnord
3 years 8 months ago

By far one of the worst proposed packages I have ever seen as a comment on here and that is saying something. Red Sox fans crack me up 

cyberboo
3 years 8 months ago

All four of those combined wouldn’t get you Daric Barton, let alone anyone else.  lol.  Oakland wants players that will actually help them and are an upgrade over what they have now.  They don’t want to downgrade with those guys.  

nictonjr
3 years 8 months ago

When Daric Barton is your starting 1B, there is no such thing as a downgrade…

MattCMoore
3 years 8 months ago

The A’s should definately move Bailey. Its not like they will win alot of games for him to save anyways (no offense… But the A’s have no offence).

3 years 8 months ago

You switched………never mind.

corey23
3 years 8 months ago

Andy they can have Balfour close

Phadreus
3 years 8 months ago

I am thinking Alonso and Wood would be a fair package.  Bailey is one of the best closer in the league (when healthy) and the trade of Bailey for Cordero for the Reds would be pretty good for two reasons.
1) Bailey is better (2.86 FIP to 4.02 FIP in 2011)
2) Bailey is probably about $5M or so cheaper this year, and controlled for another 2 years after that.

Alonso is a good hitter, but he shouldn’t be projected to be a star yet.  Wood is probably just a back end starters and depth for Cincinnati at this point.  Cincinnati would use the money to resign Phillips or possibly try to chase down one of Reyes or Rollins.  

Dan Gallagher
3 years 8 months ago

I would think that a player like Yonder Alonso straight up would be enough. However, the A’s would need to decide if they will have 3 natural 1B in Allen, Alonso and Carter. Though Alonso and Allen can play outfield, it may still create an issue. It would probably take Yasmani Grandal along with Yorman Rodirguez or a guy like Daniel Corcino to get Bailey otherwise.

Phadreus
3 years 8 months ago

I think that it might take a little more than just Alonso for that exact reason.  Oakland is most in need of power bats for the OF or 3B.  I am not sure I see a 3B in CIN that fits the bill.  If I am Beane, I would prefer Grandel (but that would require them shipping out Suzuki at the trade deadline or after the ’12 season).  

CalvaryCougar
3 years 8 months ago

just alonso is too much for a closer

3 years 8 months ago

Grandal plus an untouchable??  You are way overvaluing the closer position.  If we give up a package of what you are mentioning it will be for a player who contributes 200 innings and not 60. 

Too many FA options out there to give up these prospects for a closer.  Closer market is flooded we could find a closer to work for 3-4 mil and keep our prospects.  We aren’t one piece away from a world series.  This trade would be a mistake on the Reds part unless it was for someone like Juan Fransisco (the power hitting 3B you need).

NatsTown
3 years 8 months ago

i’m not trading any of Yonder or Yasmani for Bailey if I am the Reds.

Phadreus
3 years 8 months ago

That’s fine as long as you dont sign Cordero.

renegadeisback
3 years 8 months ago

Why not?
You have Votto and Mesoraco.

nictonjr
3 years 8 months ago

And Votto would be taking up 20%  of the teams payroll in 2013.  If a RP, such as Andrew Bailey, should get you Alfonso+Grandel, imagine what Joey Votto would bring the Reds.  Slip Alfonso to 1B, Grandel backing up at catcher, the 4 or 5 players/prospects you get for Votto and away you go…

schellis
3 years 8 months ago

If I’m the Reds I keep the prospects and either find a middle reliever or move one already on the roster into the closer role.   I would not give up anything of significant value for a non-elite level closer, and even then only when the team was a elite closer away from contending.

Bailey with his injury history is not worth a top five prospect.   The most I’d likely offer would be someone like Heisey.

3 years 8 months ago

I’d offer Juan Fransisco and nothing more. Boxberger is an internal candidate to close (he was named an AFL all-star).  If not him than arrendondo(sp?) has experience in that role in the past.  Or pick up one of the other FA options for around 3-5 mil.  Cardinals have shown the closer position is not a priority when constructing a winning club.  We need to focus on our rotation.

DizzyValance
3 years 8 months ago

Francisco doesn’t seem to be the type of player Beane likes, but I agree that Arredondo is probably the best in house option right now, and it looks like Boxy will be ready at least by the start of 2013.

lefty177
3 years 8 months ago

Are the Reds not going to try Chapman as their closer? They just want a shutdown setup man?

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Isn’t he supposed to start this year?

Ethanator99
3 years 8 months ago

He is supposed to.

Gunner65
3 years 8 months ago

He is going to be a starter in ’12

3 years 8 months ago

 Moved to the rotation next year.  Most likely starts at AAA until ready to consistently throw strikes.

stl_cards16
3 years 8 months ago

He’s going to have to back down on his velocity to be able to make it into the 5th, 6th innings much.  Which is going to make him a lot more hittable.  I’m not saying it’s not worth a shot to try to make him a starter, but I don’t think it’s going to be successful right off the bat.  He’s going to have to learn how to pitch instead of just throwing.

3 years 8 months ago

I’ll accept backing off his velocity bringing the 100+ mph fastball down to 97-98 mph but a lefty throwing 97-98 with control of a slider is still deadly.  I hope he finds his groove.

stl_cards16
3 years 8 months ago

If he can locate, yes.  The point is that he gets away with his poor location when throwing 105.  You bring that down to the mid-90’s and when you miss, big league hitters make you pay. 

I also hope he does well.  I find him really interesting and I’d like to see him succeed.  For the money invested they almost have to try him as a starter.  There is a lot to be seen though.

Beavis De Beppo
3 years 8 months ago

He was a starter in Cuba, no?  Obviously not facing the same talent, but I think the whole point is that the guy needs five days off between appearances to re-fuel the rocket.  He just can’t go two nights in a row, let alone 3 or 4.

The_Porcupine
3 years 8 months ago

Grandal, Alonso, Wood, and another prospect or 2 for Bailey and Gio Gonzalez.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

I’d rather have Cahill if I were them for that package.

3 years 8 months ago

That makes more sense.  

Gunner65
3 years 8 months ago

That would make a little more sense seeing as how getting a relatively cheap, but good starter is more of a priority for the Reds. Steep price to pay for two players though. But as they say, ya have to give something to get something. I think what would make me feel better about that deal was if both players agreed to at least a 4-5 year deal before finalizing the trade

renegadeisback
3 years 8 months ago

Why is everyone jonesing for Gio Gonzalez? He’s a product of his environment, nothing more.

3 years 8 months ago

So his “environment” is the cause of his studly 8.8 k/9. ok gotchya. 

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

An 8.8 K/9 isn’t exactly “studly” when it’s accompanied by a 4+ BB/9.

kevb197731
3 years 8 months ago

Cubs are looking to unload Marmol after a bad year. If they think they could harness Marmol, do you think he would be worth a Alonso in a trade

stl_cards16
3 years 8 months ago

I’m guessing they would have to eat close to all of Marmol’s contract to get much value out of him.  He’s pretty pricey and the reason the Reds are looking the trade route for a closer is to save money.  Marmol doesn’t seem to make sense for them. 

The Cubs are probably better off keeping Marmol and seeing he if he can have a nice bounce back year. 

3 years 8 months ago

Alonso is not being traded inside the division.  Not even for Garza

jwsox
3 years 8 months ago

nope…huge question mark…huge controll issues and a horrible contract no way even if the cubs ate all of his contract the reds would be insane to take that deal

schellis
3 years 8 months ago

Chapman is far to wild to close, honestly I think the Reds screwed up with him royally and they should look to trade him now while he still has that freak show value.  

Right now I feel the Reds have two or three options their roster for closer.

Sam LeCure, Homer Bailey, and maybe Arradondo if he’s back to his Angels self.

Massets funks are to horrible for a closer, Bray is to
valuable as a situational lefty, Chapman needs to start and is to wild
to be a closer, and the rest all have their roles they seem to fit into.

I
think Bailey has the stuff to be a closer and his ten cent head might
be able to function better if all he has to get is three outs, plus he
has the ego of a closer.

LeCure just seems to be a pitcher that
can get out of jams even if his stuff isn’t anything special. I don’t
think he’ll be dominating in the role where you know the game is over
the moment he comes in, more sneaky good in that he’ll have 40 saves
with a minimal amount blown and a over 3 ERA. Basically similar to
Cordero these past two seasons.

Closers are a dime a dozen and you should only pay for the elite level closers

chico65
3 years 8 months ago

Good grief

3 years 8 months ago

Trading a top prospect for a reliever is nothing short of idiotic. I believe everyone here will say that Francisco Cordero was fine as the closer last year and had a 4.02 FIP. LeCure, Masset, or Boxberger would be more than acceptable replacements as the closer and you can replace their role in middle relief or set-up much cheaper than you can replace a closer.

Hell, just let Cordero walk and promote Boxberger. The bullpen would be better than it was last year that way.

J.j. Miller
3 years 8 months ago

Last july A’s asked rangers for martin perez, chris davis, another pitching prospect. Rangers offered the 2 pitchers who were eventually traded for mike adams + a A ball shortstop, A’s turned it down

Pete
3 years 8 months ago

Why wouldn’t they ask the world of their division rival in an attempt to catch up with them, talent wise? 

sf55forlife
3 years 8 months ago

erlin and weiland are probably top 100 prospects now. I have a hard time believing the a’s turned that down

sportsnut969
3 years 8 months ago

#1 To get a closer Alonzo will have to be the guy he is the only major league proven prospect and to get a proven closer it will take a package involving Alonzo.

#2 The Reds should contact the Indians they are in need of a power 1st base guy Alonzo would fit the bill and Chris Perez is thought to be available for the right return. Also the Indians may be willing to do a 1 for 1 and if not the second guy if needed could be a lower level prospect.

stl_cards16
3 years 8 months ago

AlonSo.

“major league proven prospect”

Is he major league proven or is he a prospect?

3 years 8 months ago

Closer with injuries in his history < Alonso and his potential .300 ave 20+HR every day production

nictonjr
3 years 8 months ago

 Chris Perez is the perfect example of closers being a dime a dozen.  He’s no better a pitcher than Ondrusek.  Numbers are remarkably close.  No way do you give up a decent prospect for him.  Let alone Alfonso.   If the Indians are interested in Alfonso, they traded away the 2 guys the Reds would have been interested in for Jiminez..

Pete
3 years 8 months ago

So Mark Sheldon is blogging about how his unidentified source disagrees with Buster Olney’s unidentified source. Awesome.

Ethanator99
3 years 8 months ago

My unidentified source’s Dad can beat up your unidentified source’s Dad!

J.j. Miller
3 years 8 months ago

So the cincy source says alonso is worth more than bailey?  I highly doubt A’s would even do a straight up deal anyways. I’m assuming they’d ask for alonso + another player or two. 

stl_cards16
3 years 8 months ago

Maybe that’s why Coco Crisp was their best offensive weapon last year……

3 years 8 months ago

josh willingham was 

3 years 8 months ago

josh willingham was 

3 years 8 months ago

You realize we are talking about a relief pitcher right?  Any GM who would trade a top 50 prospect for a relief pitcher, even a closer, should be fired on the spot. 

Pete
3 years 8 months ago

That’s a ton of fired GM’s you are proposing.

gr8testsoxfan
3 years 8 months ago

Quentin, Danks & Thornton for Alonso & Chapman

3 years 8 months ago

terrible deal for Reds.

jwsox
3 years 8 months ago

also the whitesox would have no place to play alonso….maybe you could swing that deal for one of either alonso or chapman but the sox would have to throw another prospect or PTBNL or cash

gr8testsoxfan
3 years 8 months ago

Play Alonso in left with DeAza giving all three outfielders a break here and there, and Alonso can give Paulie and Dunn breaks at (first/dh)

Pete
3 years 8 months ago

Get out of this thread man, wait for the white sox to at least make the post, fer cryin out loud!