Latest On Andrew Bailey

4:43pm: The Mariners have inquired on Bailey, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (on Twitter).  Olney suggests the A's will definitely move the reliever this offseason.

12:48pm: The A's are very willing to trade Bailey, tweets Danny Knobler of CBS Sports.  He notes that the Phillies had interest before they signed Jonathan Papelbon.

11:19am: A Reds source agrees that Alonso is way too much for Bailey, writes MLB.com's Mark Sheldon.  Sheldon notes that starting pitching is a more pressing need for the Reds than a closer.

9:00am: The Reds are talking about a possible deal for Athletics closer Andrew Bailey, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney.  The A's are interested in Yonder Alonso, tweets Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM and ESPN.com.  The Reds have a need at the back end of their bullpen, with Francisco Cordero entertaining offers as a free agent.  The Blue Jays are also known to have Bailey on the radar.

Bailey, 27, posted a 3.24 ERA, 8.9 K/9, 2.6 BB/9, 0.6 HR/9, and 37.1% groundball rate in 41 2/3 innings this year.  He missed time with an oblique injury in 2010, and also had elbow surgery in September of that year.  Effects of the procedure caused him to miss most of the first two months of the 2011 campaign.

Bailey is under team control through 2014, and we project him for a reasonable $3.5MM in 2012 as he'll be arbitration eligible for the first time. 


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  1. Ángelo Bastardo 4 years ago

    Yasmani Grandal is the man

    • chico65 4 years ago

      He certainly is.  Which is why the Reds won’t part with him, in my opinion.

      • cubs223425 4 years ago

        Well, they have Mesoraco, so they might. I was wondering if this would involve Alonso in some capacity, but I’m not sure how the two would compare his value to Bailey’s.

        That the Reds have two unproven catching prospects and Mesoraco gets credited as the better of the two makes the Grandal speculation a rather reasonable one.

        • chico65 4 years ago

          You can never have too many “good” catching prospects.  Exhibit A: Saltalamacchia, Teagarden, Ramirez.

          If they decide to get rid of one, then maybe.  I just think Alonso would be much more likely than one of the catchers.

          • CalvaryCougar 4 years ago

            yep….grandal or meso could move to first

  2. redsox927 4 years ago

    i hope the reds trade for him while the Red Sox are focused on getting a manager in place so i don’t have to worry about the Sox overpaying for him.

  3. jb226 4 years ago

    I doubt Bailey is going to be cheap, prospect-wise.  Is this really the best use of those prospects for the Reds, given that there are approximately eleventy billion closers available right now for just money?  I realize the main purpose of the trade would be to get a closer cheaper than they feel they can in free agency, but prospects are an even more limited resource.  Wouldn’t a starting pitcher be a smarter use?

    • Jamie Sayer 4 years ago

      Especially when Type A relief pitchers don’t cost a pick now, I’d think teams would rather take advantage of that before looking at a trade option.

      • Chris Whitby 4 years ago

        Why wouldn’t a type A reliever require a draft pick

    • The_Porcupine 4 years ago

      The Reds need a #1-2 starting pitcher and need all the prospects they have to get one.  I have a hard time believing that a package of Grandal and Alonso wouldn’t have the Rays thinking twice about not trading Shields.  Heck, trade for Gio if you’re talking to the A’s.

  4. Zuidvogels 4 years ago

    Within the next 3 hours or so we will see add on to this story….

    12:00pm Reds GM says team is currently not in any talks with the Athletics for closer Andrew Bailey. Team is currently looking into all possible avenues to fill the teams closer role. The Reds could be interested if the A’s asking price for Bailey comes down.

    • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

      A’s probably want Alonso

      • johnnycomelately9 4 years ago

        That was my thinking.  Hold out for a Sheilds deal instead Reds.  Even if you have to throw in another prospect.

      • Let_Timmy_Smoke 4 years ago

        I’m thinking either Alonso or Grandal.  Both are blocked in Cincy.  Although how many first base types do the As already have (Barton, Carter, Allen, Ka’ihue, Doolittle)?  Is Beane planning on throwing them in a steel cage to settle it once and for all (if so, I feel REALLY bad for Barton).

        • dbreer23 4 years ago

          I agree, this seems like Beane is trying to rebuild the ’99 A’s.  at this point, I think Doolittle can be moved off of that list.  Barton _might_ be non-tendered (though I think he should be kept), KK probably gets moved, cut, or demoted in Spring Training. 

          If the A’s do land Alonso (which I can’t see, for Bailey alone at least) – Carter/Allen as a LF/DH rotation, Alonso to 1B, Barton as a 1B/DH fill-in, and hope that either Allen, Barton or Carter builds some trade value.

        • mjnord 4 years ago

          Doolittle is a pitcher now and if we got Alonso I think he would take the starting job. 

    • Fred_G_Sanford 4 years ago

      i may be a dumb uninformed parody of a dead black man from an old sitcom but that was funny.

  5. BoSoxSam 4 years ago

    Would like to see some Boston interest in Bailey. Although who knows what we can trade for him.

    • Phadreus 4 years ago

      Lowrie and Reddick

      • BoSoxSam 4 years ago

        I would actually be fine with that. But would Oakland?

        • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

          no

        • chico65 4 years ago

          I think Lars in a package would pique Oakland’s interest, though I have no idea why.  

          • BoSoxSam 4 years ago

            I would throw Lars in with Lowrie and Reddick, but I get the feeling Oakland still says no.

          • Ned Gold 4 years ago

            Make it happen Barry Chenningchino!

    • Rcsully 4 years ago

      Lars,Reddick,Doubront and Lowrie for Gio and Bailey

      • not_brooks 4 years ago

        Ha! Dream on, fella.

        • Rcsully 4 years ago

          Why Dream? It is a known fact that Oaklnad is looking to move both Gio and Bailey before walk years. Neither Gio or Bailey will be on A’s come April

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            neither player is near a walk year and lars-reddick-doubront-lowrie is a parody package

          • not_brooks 4 years ago

            First off, Gio’s under team control for four more years, and Bailey is for three more.

            Second, because of how much time is left on those contracts, the A’s are going to ask for the moon for Bailey and the entire universe for Gio.

            So tell me what’s so special about any of those three Sox prospects you mentioned that makes you think the A’s would accept that package for a 26-year-old left-handed ace-in-the-making and a 28-year-old stud reliever?

            PS – I ignored Lowrie on purpose.

          • Ferrariman 4 years ago

            because Red Sox prospects are superior to other team’s prospects and major leaguers, didn’t you know?

          • Ohhhplease 4 years ago

            Because a Red Sox fan said so…duhhhhhhhhhh

      • mjnord 4 years ago

        By far one of the worst proposed packages I have ever seen as a comment on here and that is saying something. Red Sox fans crack me up 

      • cyberboo 4 years ago

        All four of those combined wouldn’t get you Daric Barton, let alone anyone else.  lol.  Oakland wants players that will actually help them and are an upgrade over what they have now.  They don’t want to downgrade with those guys.  

        • nictonjr 4 years ago

          When Daric Barton is your starting 1B, there is no such thing as a downgrade…

  6. Matt Moore 4 years ago

    The A’s should definately move Bailey. Its not like they will win alot of games for him to save anyways (no offense… But the A’s have no offence).

  7. Phadreus 4 years ago

    I am thinking Alonso and Wood would be a fair package.  Bailey is one of the best closer in the league (when healthy) and the trade of Bailey for Cordero for the Reds would be pretty good for two reasons.
    1) Bailey is better (2.86 FIP to 4.02 FIP in 2011)
    2) Bailey is probably about $5M or so cheaper this year, and controlled for another 2 years after that.

    Alonso is a good hitter, but he shouldn’t be projected to be a star yet.  Wood is probably just a back end starters and depth for Cincinnati at this point.  Cincinnati would use the money to resign Phillips or possibly try to chase down one of Reyes or Rollins.  

  8. Dan Gallagher 4 years ago

    I would think that a player like Yonder Alonso straight up would be enough. However, the A’s would need to decide if they will have 3 natural 1B in Allen, Alonso and Carter. Though Alonso and Allen can play outfield, it may still create an issue. It would probably take Yasmani Grandal along with Yorman Rodirguez or a guy like Daniel Corcino to get Bailey otherwise.

    • Phadreus 4 years ago

      I think that it might take a little more than just Alonso for that exact reason.  Oakland is most in need of power bats for the OF or 3B.  I am not sure I see a 3B in CIN that fits the bill.  If I am Beane, I would prefer Grandel (but that would require them shipping out Suzuki at the trade deadline or after the ’12 season).  

    • Grandal plus an untouchable??  You are way overvaluing the closer position.  If we give up a package of what you are mentioning it will be for a player who contributes 200 innings and not 60. 

      Too many FA options out there to give up these prospects for a closer.  Closer market is flooded we could find a closer to work for 3-4 mil and keep our prospects.  We aren’t one piece away from a world series.  This trade would be a mistake on the Reds part unless it was for someone like Juan Fransisco (the power hitting 3B you need).

  9. NatsTown 4 years ago

    i’m not trading any of Yonder or Yasmani for Bailey if I am the Reds.

    • Phadreus 4 years ago

      That’s fine as long as you dont sign Cordero.

    • renegadeisback 4 years ago

      Why not?
      You have Votto and Mesoraco.

      • nictonjr 4 years ago

        And Votto would be taking up 20%  of the teams payroll in 2013.  If a RP, such as Andrew Bailey, should get you Alfonso+Grandel, imagine what Joey Votto would bring the Reds.  Slip Alfonso to 1B, Grandel backing up at catcher, the 4 or 5 players/prospects you get for Votto and away you go…

  10. schellis 4 years ago

    If I’m the Reds I keep the prospects and either find a middle reliever or move one already on the roster into the closer role.   I would not give up anything of significant value for a non-elite level closer, and even then only when the team was a elite closer away from contending.

    Bailey with his injury history is not worth a top five prospect.   The most I’d likely offer would be someone like Heisey.

    • I’d offer Juan Fransisco and nothing more. Boxberger is an internal candidate to close (he was named an AFL all-star).  If not him than arrendondo(sp?) has experience in that role in the past.  Or pick up one of the other FA options for around 3-5 mil.  Cardinals have shown the closer position is not a priority when constructing a winning club.  We need to focus on our rotation.

      • DizzyValance 4 years ago

        Francisco doesn’t seem to be the type of player Beane likes, but I agree that Arredondo is probably the best in house option right now, and it looks like Boxy will be ready at least by the start of 2013.

  11. lefty177 4 years ago

    Are the Reds not going to try Chapman as their closer? They just want a shutdown setup man?

    • Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

      Isn’t he supposed to start this year?

    • Gunner65 4 years ago

      He is going to be a starter in ’12

    •  Moved to the rotation next year.  Most likely starts at AAA until ready to consistently throw strikes.

      • stl_cards16 4 years ago

        He’s going to have to back down on his velocity to be able to make it into the 5th, 6th innings much.  Which is going to make him a lot more hittable.  I’m not saying it’s not worth a shot to try to make him a starter, but I don’t think it’s going to be successful right off the bat.  He’s going to have to learn how to pitch instead of just throwing.

        • I’ll accept backing off his velocity bringing the 100+ mph fastball down to 97-98 mph but a lefty throwing 97-98 with control of a slider is still deadly.  I hope he finds his groove.

          • stl_cards16 4 years ago

            If he can locate, yes.  The point is that he gets away with his poor location when throwing 105.  You bring that down to the mid-90’s and when you miss, big league hitters make you pay. 

            I also hope he does well.  I find him really interesting and I’d like to see him succeed.  For the money invested they almost have to try him as a starter.  There is a lot to be seen though.

          • Beavis De Beppo 4 years ago

            He was a starter in Cuba, no?  Obviously not facing the same talent, but I think the whole point is that the guy needs five days off between appearances to re-fuel the rocket.  He just can’t go two nights in a row, let alone 3 or 4.

  12. The_Porcupine 4 years ago

    Grandal, Alonso, Wood, and another prospect or 2 for Bailey and Gio Gonzalez.

    • Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

      I’d rather have Cahill if I were them for that package.

    • That makes more sense.  

    • Gunner65 4 years ago

      That would make a little more sense seeing as how getting a relatively cheap, but good starter is more of a priority for the Reds. Steep price to pay for two players though. But as they say, ya have to give something to get something. I think what would make me feel better about that deal was if both players agreed to at least a 4-5 year deal before finalizing the trade

    • renegadeisback 4 years ago

      Why is everyone jonesing for Gio Gonzalez? He’s a product of his environment, nothing more.

      • So his “environment” is the cause of his studly 8.8 k/9. ok gotchya. 

        • MaineSox 4 years ago

          An 8.8 K/9 isn’t exactly “studly” when it’s accompanied by a 4+ BB/9.

  13. kevb197731 4 years ago

    Cubs are looking to unload Marmol after a bad year. If they think they could harness Marmol, do you think he would be worth a Alonso in a trade

    • stl_cards16 4 years ago

      I’m guessing they would have to eat close to all of Marmol’s contract to get much value out of him.  He’s pretty pricey and the reason the Reds are looking the trade route for a closer is to save money.  Marmol doesn’t seem to make sense for them. 

      The Cubs are probably better off keeping Marmol and seeing he if he can have a nice bounce back year. 

    • Alonso is not being traded inside the division.  Not even for Garza

    • jwsox 4 years ago

      nope…huge question mark…huge controll issues and a horrible contract no way even if the cubs ate all of his contract the reds would be insane to take that deal

  14. schellis 4 years ago

    Chapman is far to wild to close, honestly I think the Reds screwed up with him royally and they should look to trade him now while he still has that freak show value.  

    Right now I feel the Reds have two or three options their roster for closer.

    Sam LeCure, Homer Bailey, and maybe Arradondo if he’s back to his Angels self.

    Massets funks are to horrible for a closer, Bray is to
    valuable as a situational lefty, Chapman needs to start and is to wild
    to be a closer, and the rest all have their roles they seem to fit into.

    I
    think Bailey has the stuff to be a closer and his ten cent head might
    be able to function better if all he has to get is three outs, plus he
    has the ego of a closer.

    LeCure just seems to be a pitcher that
    can get out of jams even if his stuff isn’t anything special. I don’t
    think he’ll be dominating in the role where you know the game is over
    the moment he comes in, more sneaky good in that he’ll have 40 saves
    with a minimal amount blown and a over 3 ERA. Basically similar to
    Cordero these past two seasons.

    Closers are a dime a dozen and you should only pay for the elite level closers

  15. Trading a top prospect for a reliever is nothing short of idiotic. I believe everyone here will say that Francisco Cordero was fine as the closer last year and had a 4.02 FIP. LeCure, Masset, or Boxberger would be more than acceptable replacements as the closer and you can replace their role in middle relief or set-up much cheaper than you can replace a closer.

    Hell, just let Cordero walk and promote Boxberger. The bullpen would be better than it was last year that way.

  16. J.j. Miller 4 years ago

    Last july A’s asked rangers for martin perez, chris davis, another pitching prospect. Rangers offered the 2 pitchers who were eventually traded for mike adams + a A ball shortstop, A’s turned it down

    • Pete 4 years ago

      Why wouldn’t they ask the world of their division rival in an attempt to catch up with them, talent wise? 

    • sf55forlife 4 years ago

      erlin and weiland are probably top 100 prospects now. I have a hard time believing the a’s turned that down

  17. sportsnut969 4 years ago

    #1 To get a closer Alonzo will have to be the guy he is the only major league proven prospect and to get a proven closer it will take a package involving Alonzo.

    #2 The Reds should contact the Indians they are in need of a power 1st base guy Alonzo would fit the bill and Chris Perez is thought to be available for the right return. Also the Indians may be willing to do a 1 for 1 and if not the second guy if needed could be a lower level prospect.

    • stl_cards16 4 years ago

      AlonSo.

      “major league proven prospect”

      Is he major league proven or is he a prospect?

    • Closer with injuries in his history < Alonso and his potential .300 ave 20+HR every day production

    • nictonjr 4 years ago

       Chris Perez is the perfect example of closers being a dime a dozen.  He’s no better a pitcher than Ondrusek.  Numbers are remarkably close.  No way do you give up a decent prospect for him.  Let alone Alfonso.   If the Indians are interested in Alfonso, they traded away the 2 guys the Reds would have been interested in for Jiminez..

  18. Pete 4 years ago

    So Mark Sheldon is blogging about how his unidentified source disagrees with Buster Olney’s unidentified source. Awesome.

    • Ethanator99 4 years ago

      My unidentified source’s Dad can beat up your unidentified source’s Dad!

  19. J.j. Miller 4 years ago

    So the cincy source says alonso is worth more than bailey?  I highly doubt A’s would even do a straight up deal anyways. I’m assuming they’d ask for alonso + another player or two. 

    • stl_cards16 4 years ago

      Maybe that’s why Coco Crisp was their best offensive weapon last year……

    • You realize we are talking about a relief pitcher right?  Any GM who would trade a top 50 prospect for a relief pitcher, even a closer, should be fired on the spot. 

  20. gr8testsoxfan 4 years ago

    Quentin, Danks & Thornton for Alonso & Chapman

    • terrible deal for Reds.

    • jwsox 4 years ago

      also the whitesox would have no place to play alonso….maybe you could swing that deal for one of either alonso or chapman but the sox would have to throw another prospect or PTBNL or cash

    • gr8testsoxfan 4 years ago

      Play Alonso in left with DeAza giving all three outfielders a break here and there, and Alonso can give Paulie and Dunn breaks at (first/dh)

    • Pete 4 years ago

      Get out of this thread man, wait for the white sox to at least make the post, fer cryin out loud!

  21. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    You never trade a top prospect for a reliever. Ever!

  22. YankeePhan1234 4 years ago

    The Reds are better off resigning Cordero and trading Alonso for Gio Gonzalez imo

    • They’d be best off just letting Cordero walk. Not worth the contract he’ll demand.

      • vtadave 4 years ago

        Not sure given the boatload of better relievers on the market that he’ll be in a position to demand a huge deal. That and the fact he’s turning 37 next season.

  23. renegadeisback 4 years ago

    What’s so special about Alonso? Career .835 OPS in the minors, no real defensive chops and will be 25 going into next season.

    • Have you seen Alonso play in person?  Going on 25 and being major league ready to start day 1 is not that bad.  His prime years are still a couple years down the road. 

  24. Alonso is too much for Bailey?

    • Yes, he is.

      • The guy is blocked in the reds organization.  Hes proved that he is no viable option in the outfield.  He is 25 and not getting any younger. 

        The longer the reds wait the lower his trade value gets.  They would be lucky to get a top of the line closer for him.

        • Closer is the most overrated position in baseball. If they can get a decent starter for him, which they should be able to, why would you take an injury prone reliever?

          Craig Kimbrel was the most valuable reliever in baseball last year and was worth 3.2 WAR, which would put him on equal value with John Danks, and that’s the absolute best in baseball. Most of the really good relievers are worth just under 2 WAR. Would you trade Alonso for Fauston Carmona? How about Chris Capuano? Not when he can be the primary piece to land a much better starter.

          • If cordero leaves who is the closer in waiting though?  I wholeheartedly agree with you about the overvalue of the closer role but the reds have no other arms in their system that are ready to step into that role.  I’m not advocating the fact that a deal would be straight up, obviously more would have to come the reds way, but I doubt it would be incredibly substantial.  Bailey too is the type of pitcher than can go multiple innings making his value different from that of other typical closers.

            If the Reds could somehow swing a deal with the A’s including Alonso for Gio then you are really getting full value for him.  But given the reds situation I don’t see anyone jumping at the opportunity to pay full price for a prospect all other teams know they are trying to sell high on now while his value is at its highest because he has no future in the organization

          • Who’s the closer in waiting? Take your pick! Cordero had a “good year” as a closer with a 4.02 FIP. Arredondo had a 4.31 FIP last year, but he experienced some control issues coming back from TJS and has a career 3.84 FIP. Sam LeCure had a 3.50 FIP last year, and Nick Masset had a 3.55 FIP. Any of those guys would make fine closers next year. There there’s Brad Boxberger who’s shown elite ability as a reliever in the minors and buy-low options in free agency like Broxton, Nathan, and Lidge.

            It’s not hard to find a closer.

          • Pete 4 years ago

            Sabermetrics + Relievers = no worky. (Ya need big sample scales!)

          • nictonjr 4 years ago

             Who’s going to play 1B for the A’s??  Another season of Daric Barton??  Brandon Allen??  

          • Pete 4 years ago

            Barton’s not worth giving up on yet, he needed shoulder surgery and tried to play through it, that solves his stinky 2011 for you. 

          • Andrew Bailey had a WAR of 3.9 as a rookie.

          • By what WAR? fWAR has him at 2.4, 1.0, and 0.9 for his career. You must be using rWAR.

          • baybombers 4 years ago

            im using zWAR

          • By what WAR? fWAR has him at 2.4, 1.0, and 0.9 for his career. You must be using rWAR.

  25. TimotheusATL 4 years ago

    seems to me like Alonso would only be too much for Bailey if they’re going to let Votto walk or trade him. isn’t he completely blocked right now?

    • Doesn’t matter who is playing 1B, he is taking over LF until Votto walks.

  26. budman3 4 years ago

    Shields and Archer for Grandal and Alonso

    • renegadeisback 4 years ago

      Hahhahaa. Good one.

    • You can drop Archer and add some more to the Reds side.  I do think you’re on the right track too. 

  27. tomymogo 4 years ago

    Way too much…..that’s funny I was think Yonder Alonso and a player to be named later

  28. sportsnut969 4 years ago

    Alonso if dealt will have to be dealt to a team in need of a 1st baseman due to the fact that be cannot be hidden in the outfield full-time.

    Alonso is a possible game changer bat in a eveyday line-up at 1st base this is what makes him worth so much these guys do not come around that oftain.

  29. Jordan King 4 years ago

    Alonso, Grandal, and Wood or Volquez FOR Bailey, McCarthy and Tyson Ross

  30. Triple Hawpes Brewed 4 years ago

    Jurrjens and Prado for Alonso.

    • quadbravesfan 4 years ago

      JJ and Prado both have more value than Alonso

      • vtadave 4 years ago

        Jurrjens perhaps. Prado, no.  Pretty sure the Reds can do better for Alonso than a LF coming off a sub-.700 OPS.

        • quadbravesfan 4 years ago

          You mean a 2B/1B/3B/LF that before last yr (when he got a staph infection that screwed his season) posted three .800 plus OPS seasons in a row?

  31. Cavman_Boland 4 years ago

    Huston Street and Andrew Bailey’s trade value dropped significantly when MLB announced that Type A relievers weren’t worth #1 draft picks anymore. After that change and with all the FA relievers on the market, I don’t think it makes any sense to trade a top prospect for a reliever anymore IMO.

    • renegadeisback 4 years ago

      You know Bailey is under control for more than one year, right>

  32. RHSP Edison Volquez, LHSP Travis Wood, 1B/DH/LF Yonder Alonso, OF Chris Hiesey & AA CL Donnie Joseph for Andrew Bailey & Gio Gonzalez.

  33. bomberj11 4 years ago

    The Reds are lucky they can even gauge some interest out of the A’s…

    (Tries to trade for closer in MLB The Show)

  34. goredsgo 4 years ago

    Alsonso is way too much for a guy like Bailey? Seriously how high do they value him?

  35. Alonso is NOT too much for Bailey.  He’s 25, hasn’t proven ANYTHING in the majors, has slid down the top 100 prospect-list each year and has a .840 OPS in AAA.  There is a healthy crop of those type of players in circulation.  The A’s have four, in fact.

    • nictonjr 4 years ago

      Then they should play some of them.  Scott Sizemore had the second highest OPS on the A’s last year.  Willingham’s as good as gone.  That makes Jemile Weeks their biggest offensive threat…

      • Pete 4 years ago

        Yeah ya know the A’s really should trade some of their pitching surplus for bats, like they have this really awesome closer….

    • Did you not catch the last quarter of the Reds season?  Alonso has proven some things, maybe not that he will be a Votto-type yet but that he will definitely be an offensive asset for any team.

  36. Alonso is NOT too much for Bailey.  He’s 25, hasn’t proven ANYTHING in the majors, has slid down the top 100 prospect-list each year and has a .840 OPS in AAA.  There is a healthy crop of those type of players in circulation.  The A’s have four, in fact.

  37. What is the asking price for Andrew Bailey?
    Plus, he is originally an East Coast Guy.
    I would take him, but it all depends what they are asking for him.
    I would also take Balfour as well.

  38. jwsox 4 years ago

    No gm in their right mind trades a potential elite firstbasemen for a middle reliever/ closer. Maybe if it’s a package if Bailey and Gio for Alonso, Grendel and a few more prospects than maybe.

    • J.j. Miller 4 years ago

      LOL in what universe is bailey considered a middle reliever. When healthy (some issues) but healthy now is a top 10 closer type with 3 years under team control. 

      • renegadeisback 4 years ago

        And in what universe is Alonso going to be elite? .835 career OPS in the minors. Whoopeee.

        • jwsox 4 years ago

          “potential elite” he also averaged over his minor league numbers(3 season in the minors) a .370 OBP SLG% average over the same time is roughly .400 not bad at all and also his time with the reds in 2011(sample size i know) he had a
          .330/.398/.545  slash line…thats pretty good for a guy who is only 24

          • renegadeisback 4 years ago

            1) Thank you for reposting his OPS. Point was: .835 career for a 1B is nothing special.
            2) Small sample size as you pointed out, it means absolutely nothing.
            3) “Only 24″? A 25 year-old is not young for AAA in today’s MLB.

          • Alonso made the majors this year and will be there to start next year.  25 years old is young for MLB. 

      • jwsox 4 years ago

        ok still then why trade a guy who could potentially be an elite bat for someone who at most will pitch 50 innings

  39. Braydon Gervais 4 years ago

    Pounce Anthopolous! I want Bailey. He fits the Jays mold perfectly. He’s young, throws cheddar, and is one of the best. Go get.

    • FacelessGeneralManager 4 years ago

      For referring to his fastball as cheddar. I like your comment.

    • jwsox 4 years ago

      I agree but what would the jays have to offer, starting pitching is a non need for the A’s they are stacked unless they lack down in the low minors. 

  40. bmk92 4 years ago

    can an A’s fan with reasonable opinion tell me what it would take to get Gio?  Does a package of Alonso, Heisey, and Homer Bailey for Gio and Bailey sound good?  For those ragging on Alonso, this guy is the real deal. Personally, I would HATE to see him go.  Amazing plate discipline, decent power, lots of contact, cheap and controllable for many years.  Truly a small market dream player.

    • Pete 4 years ago

      I’m an A’s fan and sometimes have a reasonable opinion, and I gotta tell you, that package sounds awful. It needs to add Grandal to start and even then that might only get you Balfour instead of Bailey in addition to Gio.

      The rumor floating around the web is that the Marlins asked Beane what he wanted for Gio and he said Morrison, Nolasco, Yelich and Ozuna. Not sure the Reds can come close to that without adding Cozart or something. 

    • OaklandFan22 4 years ago

      It would take a ton to get Gio hes gonna be a cy young in a few years hes got great stuff.

  41. Bob9988 4 years ago

    What the hell do the Mariners want with him?

    • Jeremy Johnson 4 years ago

      You can never have enough relief pitching.

      • $3513744 4 years ago

        Exactly.  Even if you have no hitting.  Fourth place here we come!

    • That’s a good question. I hope the Orioles get involved and get him. I am going to have a stroke, if the Orioles trade for Street and not even take a look at Bailey.
      Plus, I can’t imagine Beane trading their #1 reliever to someone in the division. Doesn’t make any sense to me. Beane didn’t trade Balfour to the Rangers, so why he would trade him to the Mariners is beyond me.

    • Pete 4 years ago

      Yeah! On what planet are the Mariners in better shape than the A’s? Last I checked the A’s left them in the dust last year. They should be trading anything of value that they have…only their key pieces are so far apart its like watching the A’s being run by a total shortsighted dumb person, or Beane in 2009.

  42. jwsox 4 years ago

    young cheap good late inning reliever if health permits an experienced great closer. they have a young team on the verge(2-3 years) of competing so why not be interested

    EDIT: supposed to be a reply to Bob9988

    • Bob9988 4 years ago

      Cuase Seattle already has cheap young good late inning relievers.  And like you said, they are a couple of years away from contending so the M’s can afford to let the young kids make some mistakes here and there while the whole club matures together.

  43. Muggi 4 years ago

    Damn, always wanted him to make his way to the Phils.

    Hometown kid, still a huge Phillies’ fan too. Talked in interviews about how he watches their games on recasts.

  44. looks like billy will get a good package for baliey the bidding wars have started 

  45. macdice 4 years ago

    Could it be that the Mariners asked just to figure out the going rate to try and move Brandon League?

  46. slider32 4 years ago

    Bailey has some red flags, but he can bring it, he’s like all the good relief pitchers their is always some ?s.

  47. Beavis De Beppo 4 years ago

    Kind of tough to make it to the show before age 24 when Joey Votto is the guy in front of you on the depth chart and you spend four years tearing up the NCAA.  Alonso alone is easily too much for Bailey.

    • Pete 4 years ago

      Cool well have fun keeping him at AAA while you blow 9th inning lead after 9th inning lead.

  48. NYPOTENCE 4 years ago

    Wondering if the Red Sox will get involved. Maybe they can package Lowrie and a prospect for Bailey.

    • Pete 4 years ago

      Boston doesn’t have what the A’s need: young, cost-controlled, impact bats.

    • OaklandFan22 4 years ago

      i say lowrie reddick and lars for bailey

  49. If the Reds are trading Yonder to the A’s they should get Gio Gonzalez. period. If not- no dice.

    • Pete 4 years ago

      The Reds and A’s dont match up well, actually. Unless the Reds want to give the A’s Alonso or Grandal for Bailey straight up, no deal is happening.

      • bmk92 4 years ago

        you say all of this with authority, but the reality is, this guy has a lot of injury history. let’s also not forget he’s a relief pitcher.  relief pitchers simply don’t demand blue chip ML position prospects in a trade because the market is so large and relief pitchers fluctuate in their performance.  I think you should refine your expectations for the return on bailey

        • Yonder Alanso isn’t exactly the picture of health either. Oakland is right to set the price so high. Really whats their incentive to trade Bailey? Its simply overpay and he’s yours’ or dont. Also, when has Bailey’s performance fluctuated?

      • slider32 4 years ago

        They match up great, it’s just the GMs don’t match up!

  50. goredsgo 4 years ago

    i say trade yonder, homer and and 2 low level prospects for bailey and gio. fair deal?

    • Pete 4 years ago

      not at all

      • goredsgo 4 years ago

        why is that

        • really? that wouldn’t get you Bailey and Moscoso.

        • Pete 4 years ago

          Beane asked the Marlins for Logan Morrison, Christian Yelich, Marcel Ozuna and Ricky Nolasco for Gio alone….and your package isn’t even close to that.

          • slider32 4 years ago

            GMs ask for alot in the beginning and end up with less in the end. A good trade is one that both teams benefit.

          •  Beane is also asking for the moon at the start of the negotiations.  Actual return would not be that high.  You will get a haul for Gio but not that much.

          • goredsgo 4 years ago

            well thats WAY too much for Gio alone

    • OaklandFan22 4 years ago

      hahahaha i dont think u understand how good gio is

  51. we will give you greg halman for bailey

  52. Stubbs for Bailey straight up

  53. Stubbs for Bailey straight up

  54. We’ve always had interest in Reyes. I know we won’t sign him, but there is always interest for a proven SS over a rookie. I think Cozart is going to be a great addition to the roster, but coming off the elbow injury and only playing 2+ weeks in the pros, can you really say he is our starting SS?

  55. Gunner65 4 years ago

    He can’t hold his velocity when pitching on back to back days very often & had to be shut down a couple of times during the season when he was used that way. As a closer, he’d have to go 3-4 nights in a row on occasion which IMO not what his throwing style is best suited for.

  56. renegadeisback 4 years ago

    It doesn’t really matter what YOU think they are worth. It matters what GM’s think and these GMs love their saves/closers. Sorry.

  57. renegadeisback 4 years ago

    Do you have the ear of the Reds GM? Stop spouting your opinion as fact.

  58. renegadeisback 4 years ago

    It’s quite easy to match your minor league numbers in the Majors after all. 

  59. With Alonso polished plate approach.  Yes it is.

  60. Gunner65 4 years ago

    Yes, lets not risk signing anyone to more than a 1 year contract because they might not pitch well or get hurt … you take a risk every time you sign a player long term. I suppose we should have never signed Bruce to his long extension either considering he hadn’t put together a full productive season

  61. Gunner65 4 years ago

    Your reply shows a real lack of understanding of pitching mechanics. Cordero’s deliver is more adaptable to relief work, Chapman’s is not … which was the point you completely missed

  62. Gunner65 4 years ago

    Oh, I didn’t realize I was debating with a hs expert lol … nuff said

  63. Wilsonl 4 years ago

    Isn’t high school only 4 years..?

  64. Gunner65 4 years ago

    No use debating … your premises aren’t based in reality and you have issues identifying sarcasm

  65. cyberboo 4 years ago

    I see your point.  Why would a team trade a prospect or two for a closer making 3.5M and is under team control for the next three years, when they can throw 14M a year at someone for four years that is in their mid-to-late thirties.  Cordero wants 13M a season for four years to return to the Reds.  They should sign him immediately, instead of going for a 26 year old pitcher that outpitches him in every way imaginable and would help the Reds contend.  lol. 

  66. Dude why would you extend him he is already under control. Teams only do that when the player is in the last year of his contract not under team control for three more years, learn how contracts work before commenting

  67. Gunner65 4 years ago

    Yeah, you are right, terrible idea … that is why the Reds did it with Cueto, Bruce & Votto who all had 2-3 years of “team control”. That is why the Rays did that with Longoria. Need I pose any more examples of small market teams wisely locking up there good players before it gets to that point? No, you are right, these GMs who actually do this for a living and myself all need to “learn how contracts work” lol  

  68. Pete 4 years ago

    The A’s haven’t had too many 9th inning opps the last couple years, coupled with the worst manager baseball has ever seen in Bob Geren, its not surprise Bailey is light on innings….which as a young pitcher, isnt that a good thing?

  69. Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

    Not if the reason he’s not hitting 50 IP is because he’s missing time due to injuries.

  70. monroe_says 4 years ago

    … and an ugly site it was to see Dunn carve up left field like a blind butcher. It is probably no coincidence that the Reds never had a winning record during the Big Donkey’s tenure in Cincy. That said, it wouldn’t hurt to try Alonso there.

  71. Missed the point, did ya? Environment does not influence k or bb rates. 

  72. MaineSox 4 years ago

    True, but his environment certainly improves his overall performance, which is clearly what renegadeisback was referring to.  He’s had a below league average HR/FB that hes coincided perfectly with his recent success, as well as an ERA more than a half a point below his FIP and xFIP.  He’s a good pitcher who looks like a great pitcher because of his environment.

    You can see it in his splits too: ERA a full point higher away from home, FIP more than a half a point higher (same for his xFIP), WHIP jumps .2 away from home, HR/FB jumps a full 2% away from home (to almost exactly league average)…

  73. Pete 4 years ago

    Meh, his injuries are overblown. He will throw 60+ this year no problems.

  74. vtadave 4 years ago

    You do realize this is Billy Beane, right?

    He’s traded closers like Billy Taylor and Huston Street, so why would he hesitate to deal Bailey if he feels it can improve the team?

  75. Beavis De Beppo 4 years ago

    I concurr.  Baker and Jocketty have both said it’s Cozart’s job to lose.  If anything, they pick up an Edgar Renteria-esque vet for a safety net.

    As for the trade…I’d gladly send Alonso, Mesoraco, and Woody to Oakland for Gio AND Bailey.  Hell, they can have Homer, too, if need be.  I think Grandal is going to be better than Meso.

  76. Wasn’t arguing his overall performance, just k and bb rates. But i will say the point “renegadeisback” is trying to make is overstated. Oakland isn’t quite the extreme pithcers park it gets the credit for. Years and Years of top shelf pitchers and terrible offenses have something to do withit too.

  77. jphenix2002 4 years ago

    thats mean hahaha

  78. MaineSox 4 years ago

    It’s not overstated though because Gonzalez’s splits show pretty clearly that he is a considerably better pitcher at home than away.

    And that isn’t really how park factors work anyway, they are based on the difference between how the team does at home vs how the team does in other parks.  So if it were because of the pitching/offense it would show up the same at home and away and wouldn’t be figured into it.

  79. coltholt 4 years ago

    What a well educated statement. That would be Cordero’s deal 4 years ago. If he asked for that, the Reds wouldn’t still be talking. If they thought it was even worth listening to that, they would have picked up the option. The rumors have been 2 years @ 8 per for a total of 16. Bailey will make 3.5 this year and probably closer to 8 next (assuming he is successful, which they are obviously counting on). So, you are trading Yonder for $4.5 Mill and a slight improvement. 

    Edit: Didn’t realize Bailey was in first year of Super 2. Make that $6 mil next year, so $6.5 in savings from Cordero. Regardless, same point. Nobody is talking $50 mil for cordero.

  80. First off, i do believe his environment helps his overall performance. But not too the degree of most. His Hr/Fb isnt that much under league avg. last year. it was 1% less, again, not much. The diff in FIP and ERA has been about a half run in his first two full years. I wouldn’t automatically assume he’s been exactly .5 runs luckier two years running. Outperforming FIP could be skill, i dont know. A pitcher pitching better at home than on the road is very common. I dont see how you can fault any ballplayer for that. Whip is a terrible stat, especially for splits.

  81. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Adding all those things together paints a pretty clear picture that he is helped a considerable amount by his home park, most pitchers don’t have splits as drastic as what Gio did/does.

    WHIP isn’t a terrible stat, it tells you exactly what it is attempting to tell you, you just have to know what it is, and what its limitations are.

  82. Pete 4 years ago

    Bailey is better and cheaper than any current free agent.

  83. Pete 4 years ago

    Bingo!

  84. Pete 4 years ago

    Span and like 2 of the Twins top 3 prospects. 

  85. I agree. Last year’s injury especially. He was ready to get back in the pen much earlier than when the team actually let him. They took it very very slow with him IMO. 2010’s DL time was basically Geren’s fault. 

  86. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    why would the jays want barton?

  87. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    JPA at 1B?? Barton and Cooper platoon?? 

    :/

  88. Reds losing was more of a total lack of talent in the system rather than just the big donkey out in LF.  They had absolutely no pitching.

  89. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Jays could definetely use an upgrade over 2010/2011 adam lind at first base.. however.. Barton, Cooper, JPA are at the very least washes or downgrades, so I really don’t see your reasoning

  90. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    So in order to save more games that you are winning, you sacrifice not winning those games in the first place?

    You are greatly overvaluing the closer position. they are useless unless you have the lead to begin with .

  91. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    i dont value him at all, but the difference between him and cooper is a lot bigger then the gap between casey jansen and bailey. 

  92. OaklandFan22 4 years ago

    probably grant balfour

  93. nick1538 4 years ago

    For a reliever!?!  
    Plus, the A’s don’t want Span they want young players.  Span is cost controlled, but only through 2014.  The Twins should offer Aaron Hicks and a mid-level pitching prospect and see what happens.  

  94. CalvaryCougar 4 years ago

    you’d have to thrown in more than bailey

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