Ryan Braun Wins NL MVP

Ryan Braun won the 2011 NL MVP, according to the Baseball Writers Association of America. The 28-year-old becomes the third Brewer to be named MVP, joining Rollie Fingers and Robin Yount. Braun hit 33 homers, stole 33 bases, drove in 111 runs and posted a .332/.397/.597 line for a league-leading .994 OPS in 2011. 

Braun obtained 20 of a possible 32 first-place votes to win the award over Matt Kemp, teammate Prince Fielder and Justin UptonAlbert Pujols, Joey Votto, Lance Berkman, Troy Tulowitzki, Roy Halladay and Ryan Howard rounded out the top ten.


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290 Comments on "Ryan Braun Wins NL MVP"


Cosmo3
3 years 9 months ago

Kemp got hosed

3 years 9 months ago

I’m betting Braun’s team making it to the playoffs played a role in him winning, although it shouldn’t have.

FS54
3 years 9 months ago

Then why not give it to Pujols. His team won the WS and he did not do so bad on the field either.

inleylandwetrust
3 years 9 months ago

The voting closes before the postseason

3 years 9 months ago

And both the Brewers and Dodgers where either in or out of the playoffs while the voting took place. As the standings go.

3 years 9 months ago

 that’s dumb.  how would that not have a role?  It’s Most Valuable Player…. Do the Brewers make the playoffs without Braun? No.  I agree with Albert, if anything Braun should be 1A and Albert the Great, 1B for co-mvp’s.  Dodgers didn’t do anything, take Kemp away and guess what – the dodgers still don’t do anything.

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

It is Most Valuable Player in the league.. Not Most Valuable Player for their team. Doesnt matter if the team makes the playoffs or not… it is what they did over the course of 162 games.. otherwise we would call it MVTP (Most Valuble Team Player)

Kemp should have won it just for dating Rihanna!

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

Just because it plays a role, doesn’t mean it’s the only factor.  You’re dazed and confused if you think that no one is allowed to take that into consideration.  He’s a valuable player because he had a good season.  He’s also a valuable player because he helped his team win.  As good as a season Kemp had, he wasn’t so far head and shoulders above Braun that there was no question about it.  There’s no travesty with Braun winning it over Kemp anymore than it would have been if Kemp won it over Braun.  Both had performances that are well deserving, but only one of them got more votes.

3 years 9 months ago

I don’t think it’s a travesty that Braun won, he had an amazing year.  What I, and others are saying is that you’re saying Braun helped his team win more than Kemp helped his team win b/c Braun’s team won more.  Which ignores the point that the other 24 players on the Brewer’s were better than the other 24 on the Dodger’s.

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

I’m not saying that Braun helped his team more than Kemp.  All I’m saying is that it plays a role in how they vote.  Seeing that they don’t have strict guidelines on not allowing votes based on this, it’s perfectly reasonable and within their rights to use this factor in deciding.  You guys are all crazy if you think Braun won it because the Brew Crew won more.  He won it because he had an amazing year to be even considered.  Turns out more voters thought he was more valuable.  Nowhere does it say you have to vote  for the guy who had the best stats, nor does it say you have to give it to the guy who is more valuable to his team.  They’re allowed to think critically about this and decide on their subjective evaluation.  There’s nothing about Braun winning being wrong.  You guys are saying it’s not fair to Kemp that the Brewers did better, but life’s not fair.  Oh no.  Why would it be any more or less fair to give Kemp more consideration because he played on a poor team?  It wouldn’t, because you could just as easily say that, so Kemp had more to overcome more without protection around him.  It’s based on a voting system, which can go either way.  There’s nothing unfair about this unless Kemp got no votes at all.

3 years 9 months ago

Wait, wait, wait, you just said “All I’m saying is that it plays a role in how they vote.”  Saying that the Brewer’s winning more DOES matter in voting, then 2 sentences later you say “You guys are all crazy if you think Braun won it because the Brew Crew won more.” Huh?? Really?  I think I’m done debating w/you.

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

Yes I most certainly said that.  If you read carefully you will see that.  Just because it plays a factor doesn’t mean it’s the reason he won, and it’s certainly not the only reason he won.  It’s not that hard to figure out.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
3 years 9 months ago

Kemp’s numbers are better in just about every category. One of the only places Braun has an advantage is OPS, yet Kemp had a better OPS+. Kemp had the better year, and the only reason Braun won was because of his team. If each team made it to the playoffs, i doubt Braun wins the MVP

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

I don’t disagree.  But as I said, Kemp’s numbers weren’t so drastically better that it was no question he should win.  

Jim Sinicki
3 years 9 months ago

While I’m not a major proponent of “give it to the guy on the better team” look at it this way. Whats more important hitting a grandslam to to clinch a winning season or hitting a 3 run homer to clinch a division? thats what braun did all year, he put a playoff team in position to be a playoff team. 

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

People can argue this BS all they want.. its like saying LaRussa should have won Manager of the Year because he helped the Cardinals win the World Series.. or Wrigley field should get the MVP because the place it tiny and it helped the players hit homeruns and win more games.. The MVP award is all politics anyways. Congrats to the winners lets move on to TRADE RUMORS!

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

I agree.. I personally think Kemp had the edge but they both had great seasons.. but your telling me that Kemps 40 SB, 39 HR, and .300 plus average didnt help the Dodgers win the games they did?

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

I’m not telling you that, nor did I ever say it.  

3 years 9 months ago

I agree with this. It’s not like Kemp’s stats were that much better than Braun’s. Braun’s were just as good. And Braun’s team made the playoffs. Braun deserved the award. In a year when one player’s stats are just so much better than anyone else’s, than that player should win. But in a year like this, with two players putting up pretty much equally great stats, give it to the guy who made the playoffs. Making the playoffs makes up for the tiny amount that his stats were worse than those Kemp put up. 

3 years 9 months ago

No NCAA Football player has ever won the Heisman on a losing team. get over it.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

But the Dodgers were not a losing team.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
3 years 9 months ago

What does Braun do in LA? With James Loney and Jamey Carroll his protection in the lineup? Kemp’s numbers are 100x more impressive because he literally did it alone. Scully has multiple quotes during games, and one stands out. After Kemp hit a walk off a homerun, his quote was “They pitched to the one man who could beat them, and he did”. If Braun is walked, they have to face Fielder. Much easier for the manager of the opposing team to put Braun in a situation to succeed. 

3 years 1 month ago

want to rethink that now that Braun Doesn’t have Fielder?

3 years 9 months ago

The best player has the most value to his team no matter what team they are or where they finished.  To say that a player is less valuable b/c his team didn’t finish in first doesn’t make sense.

55saveslives
3 years 9 months ago

Without Kemp, the Dodgers are still a 3rd place team.  Without Braun, the Brewers may not make playoffs.

AJCBE
3 years 9 months ago

But if you put Braun on the Dodgers or Kemp on the Brewers, it’s the same story. So why is Kemp penalized?

55saveslives
3 years 9 months ago

It’s mostly how it always is.  I don’t have a vote :)

AJCBE
3 years 9 months ago

I agree. Just saw the same argument from Morosi the other day and wanted to get my argument out haha.

monkeydung
3 years 9 months ago

Like in 2001 when the Giants didn’t make the playoffs but Bonds won MVP*

East Coast Bias
3 years 9 months ago

You should! I’ll draw the nomination papers.

Wete
3 years 9 months ago

This is a really good point. Braun is getting extra points for something that he had no control over. Brewers would have made the playoffs with Kemp instead of Braun. So how does that quantify *their* value?

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

Because life’s not fair, and nothing said it was supposed to be fair.  His performance greatly affects how his team does, and likewise his team’s performance is going to affect how he does.  So these supposed hypotheticals really don’t matter since it’s the performance that is measured.  Part of it is objective, and the other is subjective.  There’s a reason why the award is based on votes.  It wouldn’t be an award if you could automatically qualify for it.

AJCBE
3 years 9 months ago

All I’m saying is, an individual award should be based on an individual’s performance.

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

It is based on individual performance.  But individual performance isn’t strictly unrelated to team performance.

AJCBE
3 years 9 months ago

I’ll refer you to my first post, with the feeling that we’re about to go in circles. 

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

I don’t think we are.  I don’t think it’s a bad idea that it’s based on individual performance, but their performances are greatly factored by many variables.  That’s why they’re not told to just vote for the guy with the best stats.  If that was the case, there’s really nothing to judge and nothing to vote on.  They could make the award completely metric based.

AJCBE
3 years 9 months ago

Right, there are variables, but IMO, team performance shouldn’t be one of them. If we want to determine who the best player of each postseason team is, the name of the award should be changed. Statistics are objective, but the way we value each stat is the part that I think is subjective. When someone like Kemp is, in essentially every aspect of the game, better than Braun, he should clearly be the winner.

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

I know, but it doesn’t matter what you think.  Not being mean, but the fact of the matter is they haven’t been told that this variable isn’t one to consider and they haven’t been restricted from doing so either.  Until that is placed in stone, they’re free to consider whether it’s “right” or not.  Not to mention that the team’s performance does affect how well a player does, and sometimes it can greatly do so.

AJCBE
3 years 9 months ago

It’s just too bad players are being penalized by voters for something completely out of their control. And going back to my first post, it IS out of their control.

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

I don’t think they’re being penalized, but I see why you would say that.  Look, the way I see it is that it’s a judging contest, just like anything else that requires some sort of subjective factor.  The guys are compared to each taking into account mostly of how well they do, but other things like the league they’re in, the division, the team they’re on, the stadium they play in, and everything else under the sun all play a factor on how the votes are casted.  But naturally like any judging contest, it doesn’t just come down strictly to some numbers except votes.  I can see how someone would think they’re being penalized, but I see it as merely things to take into account.  If they weren’t allowed to do this, what would be the point of voting?

AJCBE
3 years 9 months ago

Very good points. I guess in the end, what I’m saying is, many of the voters should put more thought into their theory that making the playoffs automatically makes a player more valuable than one who doesn’t. But like you said, my opinion doesn’t matter haha.

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

haha, My opinions don’t matter either if it makes you feel better.  Personally I would’ve voted for Kemp.  All I was ever saying is that the voters have a right to take these things into consideration.  Obviously enough of them don’t agree with me, but I don’t think it’s unjust for them to disagree with us and vote on what they believe is right.  Braun was still a good choice.  It was kind of like how Sosa won over McGwire in 98.

AJCBE
3 years 9 months ago

Well, considering someone voted Michael Young their top choice for MVP, maybe our opinions should matter haha. 

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

That’s a different story.  I think the voters should also be held accountable by their own peers.  That guy should lose his right to vote :)

Wete
3 years 9 months ago

You’re right in saying that part of it is subjective, but I wonder if this devalues the merit of the award? We have seen trends in voting for awards, such as the Cy Young has shifted from “who has the most wins” to considering ERA, WHIP, K’s etc. Would it be so bad if the award were completely metric based? It would make things more fair, albeit less exciting.

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

I see what you’re saying, and I would say yes it would be.  It’s not like these guys are the worst players in the league, or even league average.  They’re still the best of the crop that are getting considered.  I think it holds more merit since stats can’t be completely objective.  If we made it strictly metric based, it wouldn’t be an award.  It would be a reward for accomplishing something, which doesn’t hold the same merit as an award.  At least not to me.  

Wete
3 years 9 months ago

I see where you’re coming from, but I still don’t like how subjective/unclear the voting ends up. I’m not sure I’d want things to be completely metric based, but I think what would be helpful is if the guidelines for voting were clearer. For example, X amount should be weighted toward metrics, Y amount for league/division competition, Z amount toward team success etc. Some sort of rubric is what I mean. That might help to clear the ambiguity of the word “valuable.”

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

And again, it doesn’t matter what we like. We’re not the ones that have the privilege of voting. But what advantage do they have for creating these rubrics or guidelines?  I mean seriously think about this.  The fact that every year so many people complain does nothing but cause more discussion about it, which is great publicity for it.  If they made it so concrete, there would be nothing to debate.  Also, if they made it this concrete and had such guidelines, who would enforce it?  Even a rubric like that has gaping holes left open for interpretation.  At this point they haven’t even said if the MVP was supposed to be the best player, the most valuable to his team, or the guy with the best stats.  I think there are far less serious problems with it if they leave it open to interpretation like this rather than try to restrict it and then fight the battle of how those restrictions are interpreted.  Either way, I do think that the writers who vote should be peer reviewing each other to hold each other accountable, but outside of that you’re only asking for more problems.  There’s a difference between the guys voting for Braun vs Kemp, and the guy who voted for Michael Young in the AL.

Wete
3 years 9 months ago

I honestly don’t know if I really agree with this idea, but I’m just frustrated by not knowing why people voted the way they did and the fact that there’s disparity in the understanding of the term valuable. Make things clearer and people will be happier.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
3 years 9 months ago

But thats the difference. You’re changing your argument. We are saying that Kemp deserved to win because he had a better year. You originally said he Braun should win because his team was better, but when someone questions that, you go to life isn’t fair. Which one is it?

$3513744
3 years 9 months ago

I never once said Braun should win.  If I’ve said anything, it’s that I would have voted for Kemp too.  I never changed my argument.  All I ever said was that the writers are allowed to consider it and that there’s nothing unjust about them considering it, and there’s nothing unjust with who won. If Kemp had won, it would have been the exact same thing.

3 years 9 months ago

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!  

monkeydung
3 years 9 months ago

With Braun in Kemp’s place, the Dodgers are still a 3rd place team. With Kemp in Braun’s place, the Brewers still make the playoffs.

Cam Hodgson-Dwyer
3 years 9 months ago

“Without Kemp, the Dodgers are still a 3rd place team.”

Without Kemp, the Dodgers are a last place team.

Congratulations to Ryan Braun however, tremendous season.

diesel2410
3 years 9 months ago

No he didn’t. Team success has a LOT to do with it

Whole_New_World
3 years 9 months ago

Press doesn’t like Kemp. (I don’t like Kemp.) But he should have been the MVP in a walk.

cyberboo
3 years 9 months ago

The baseball writers have just shown their stupidity again when it comes to chosing the MVP of both leagues.  Consider the following.

Ryan Braun: 563 AB’s, 109 Runs, 33 HR’s, 111 RBi’s, 58 BB’s, 93 K’s, 33 SB’s, .332 AVG, .397 OBP, .597 Slug, .933 OPS

Jose Bautista: 513 AB’s, 105 Runs, 43 Hr’s, 103 Rbi’s, 132 BB’s, 111 K’s, 9 SB’s, .302 AVG, .447 OBP, .608 Slug, 1.056 OPS

Braun won the NL MVP and Baustista finished third in the vote.  Bautista lost to Verlander, and now compare Verlander to Kershaw, who didn’t finish in the top ten.

Verlander: 34 G, 24 – 5, 4 CG, 251 INN’s, 174 Hits, 73 Runs, 67 ER’s, 24 Hrs., 57 BB’s, 250 K’s, 2.40 ERA, 0.92 whip, .192 BA

Kershaw: 33 G, 21 – 5, 4 CG, 233.1 INN’s, 174 Hits, 66 Runs, 59 ER’s, 15 Hrs, 54 BB’s, 248 K’s, 2.28 ERA, 0.98 whip, .207 BA

Kershaw got ripped off big time for the MVP in the NL.  He beats Verlander in almost every category and yet Verlander beat Bautista, who beat Braun in almost every category.  The writers then state they are competent, uh huh, right.  Kershaw and Baustista should have switched leagues and both of them would have won the MVP, instead of finishing third and not even in the top ten.  Kershaw is probably wondering what he has to do now, since he beat Verlander and Verlander was the MVP in the AL.  lol. 

YanksFanSince78
3 years 9 months ago

Dude…why is it so hard to understand? MVP caliber seasons on a playoff contending team. If one was head and shoulders above (like a Barry Bonds type season) then that’s one thing. 

How can you say Kershaw was more important than Kemp even?

YanksFanSince78
3 years 9 months ago

6 more hrs and 7 more SB on a team that did nothing. Not exactly a huge reason to give it to Kemp. If you have an almost identical performance from two different players and one is on a playoff team, then guess what? The guy on the playoff team wins.

I absolutely agree though, that there should be a separate award with the same esteem as the Cy Young to recognize the best offensive performance from a player.

SunsetStripper
3 years 9 months ago

There is.  It’s called the Hank Aaron Award.  Given to the person who was the best hitter in each league. 

Devon Henry
3 years 9 months ago

Should have just given it to Verlander…

Cody
3 years 9 months ago

They got this one wrong.

Ben_Cherington
3 years 9 months ago

T-Plush thinks the Hebrew Hammer is better than Alberta and Matty Kemp!  T-Plush just tweeted Cody is wrong!

3 years 9 months ago

tplush is just lucky to play at the pro level himself.

Ben_Cherington
3 years 9 months ago

FYI…I hate T-Plush

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 9 months ago

Well said… Truer words have never been spoken.

NorthOf49
3 years 9 months ago

Not sure what you mean, but Nyjer Morgan hit a very respectable .304/.357/.421 with great defense in 2011. Most teams in baseball would kill for him in CF.

Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 9 months ago

Most teams have self respect and wouldn’t want that little fool on their team making them look bad, hence why he is a Brewer.

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

**DID NOT MEAN TO LIKE YOUR COMMENT**

-Nyger Morgan and the word “respect” should never be in the same sentence. He is an embarrassment to the league

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

You can click the Like button again and it would take your like away and lower the number

3 years 9 months ago

those Cardinals are such a classy bunch

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

Man, get over the NLDS! The best team won.. you soar loser

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

He also Tweeted “I hope the crying birds enjoy watching us in the playoffs” (love that tweet cuz its so true)

Cant believe you even follow Nyger Morgans Tweets

Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 9 months ago

The Braves choked just because we wanted the Cards to make him look dumber than he already is 😀

Ben_Cherington
3 years 9 months ago

HA!  I dont even have a twitter account!  It was sarcasm,  I love the cards and dislike the brews bc of nyjer.  I actually go to 5-10 games a yr at Busch.  I have just as much cardinal clothing as i do Red Sox. 

tacko
3 years 9 months ago

This is unexpected.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

Fielder and Upton also got first place votes.

Bruan- 20 1st place, 12 2nd

Kemp- 10 1st, 16 2nd and 6 3rd

3 years 9 months ago

dats racist

Quacktastic_Duck
3 years 9 months ago

Congrats to Braun! Well deserved!

NYBravosFan10
3 years 9 months ago

and well deserved, congrats Mr. Braun…I almost layed down a joke based off of his religion but that might be inappropriate so I’ll go with giving him the year’s best belly flop award instead

SunsetStripper
3 years 9 months ago

They got this one right.

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

1 person does not like this.

FS54
3 years 9 months ago

Make that two.

Kemp definitely deserved it more than Braun. No point in arguing any further because they are not going to take back the award and give it to Matt. But just to clarify, Kemp was a better player last season than Ryan.

3 years 9 months ago

Kemp was one bomb away from 40/40. He deserved it. Plus, he plays center field.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

But the award is not who the Better player is. The Better player is obviously Kemp and there wouldn’t even be need any voting. It is of one’s opinion on how Valuable is defined in these. I don’t have a problem with Bruan winning it, nor would I have had a problem with Kemp winnng it. Shame on those writers though who did not vote them as their top 2.

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

They need to let someone other than writers to vote on it.. How about the NBA Owners/Player Unions since they are amazing at solving problems. 

Bryce_Ridenour
3 years 9 months ago

Ridiculous! Terrible…Kemp deserved it

Jim Sinicki
3 years 9 months ago

numbers wise Kemp definately deserved it. HOWEVER, you have to remember Braun put up the numbers not only for a contender, but he did it to put a contender in position to win a lot of games. I think that’s what it came down too

Ichiroll
3 years 9 months ago

I hate this argument. 

Pawsdeep
3 years 9 months ago

I hated it last year with the AL MVP.

Ichiroll
3 years 9 months ago

If you’re implying that Hamilton was less deserving than Cabrera, than this isn’t even close to the same thing. 

Pawsdeep
3 years 9 months ago

If you honestly don’t see the comparison between the voting the last two years, then I’m afraid I don’t have the patience or ability to teach well enough to explain this to you. I’ll let you check out the statiscally similarities on your own because I don’t have the time to do it on my iPhone.

Not even close to the same thing? Are you serious?

Pawsdeep
3 years 9 months ago

I’ll make it easy; 2010 Cabrera>ham(if only by a little, have you). 2011; kemp>Braun Bautista>JV(comparing apples to oranges, but whatever)

Now, can we find the common factor here as to why who won what?

Ichiroll
3 years 9 months ago

I was implying that it’s not close to the same, because 2010 probably could have gone either way. Whereas the gap between Braun and Kemp is faaar more distant.

boraswannabe
3 years 9 months ago

Nothing to do with Fielder hitting right next to him…

3 years 9 months ago

Because Loney, Ethier, and Carrol were soooo bad last year that Kemp had to do everything by himself right?

boraswannabe
3 years 9 months ago

HAHA! Fielder put up more HR’s and almost as much RBI’s as Loney and Ethier combined?!?!

3 years 9 months ago

But that is because Fielder had Rickie Weeks protecting him. Not because he is good or anything…

boraswannabe
3 years 9 months ago

First you compare Loney and Ethier to Fielder, now you’re comparing Rickie Weeks to Fielder??? Done with this conversation.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
3 years 9 months ago

you are kidding, right? Please tell me your kidding. PLEASE!

Todd Smith
3 years 9 months ago

Braun put up his numbers in a better lineup on a better team.  If anything, that makes Kemp even more deserving.

3 years 9 months ago

It’s not ridiculous lol you can argue that maybe Kemp was a little more deserving. But it’s certainly far from ridiculous. Braun’s numbers were just as good. And his team made the playoffs. 

NatsTown
3 years 9 months ago

wow

NatsTown
3 years 9 months ago

wrong in both leagues

Tyler
3 years 9 months ago

Please for the love of God tell me how Verlander didnt deserve to win the AL MVP? This should be quite entertaining. 

Ben_Cherington
3 years 9 months ago

Ill take a shot:

He plays once every 5 days?

Tyler
3 years 9 months ago

So you’re telling me because he only plays once every five days he doesnt deserve it with stats like this? 

24-5 which is a W-L% of .828
14 Complete Games
5 Shutouts 
250 Strike-outs

Come on man!

Ben_Cherington
3 years 9 months ago

Yes

towney007
3 years 9 months ago

Fangraphs did an excellent piece on it, some of the arguments I’m co-opting here so don’t give me credit, but:

Verlander’s ERA- of 58 made him 42% better at preventing runs and making outs than a 2011 league average pitcher. When measured up against Cy Young winners of the last 20 years, he’s tied for 18th. That basically measures dominance relative to the rest of the league. So by the last 20 years standards, he wasn’t that much more dominant than other Cy Young winners.His ERA+ was 170 which puts him 44th amongst pitchers going back to the last time a pitcher won the award (Clemens in 86). To give you some perspective, Pedro Martinez’s ERA+ was 291 in 2000. That’s 121 points better than Verlander. Pedro didn’t win the MVP.So really this idea that Verlander was THAT much more dominant than other pitchers is a total media creation. Basically Wins + low ERA + HEAT = good pitcher in their book. He was very good this year. I think he was the best pitcher in baseball. I think he was CLEARLY the best pitcher in baseball this year. But he wasn’t as dominant as people say he was.In his favor, the ‘he doesn’t play games’ thing is a bad argument. Hitters had something like 900 PA’s against him this year, which is more PA’s that Bautista or Ellsbury had. So how much time he spent playing is irrelevant. Also, Verlander’s wins WERE more ‘valuable’ in a dollars and cents perspective. The Tigers won 95 games. Without Verlander’s 8 wins, they win 87 games and finish out of the playoffs. Playoffs create a massive amount of revenue for a team that can significantly effect their payroll, budget and add to the flexibility of the roster moves they can make the following season. The difference between win 90 and 91 is gargantuan this year because of those dollars and cents. That one win alone in 2011 is worth more than winning 10 games to take you from 75 wins to 85 wins – or in Bautista’s case, 73 wins to 81 wins. And believe it or not, Ellsbury’s 82 wins to 90. Verlander’s wins were more ‘valuable’ in that sense. 

So I think there’s a case for Verlander to win the award but let’s not try to make him out to be Sandy Koufax here. He wasn’t really that dominant. 

Ben_Cherington
3 years 9 months ago

Wow!  Very good!

Alex Peacocke
3 years 9 months ago

Nice job putting his career complete games and shutouts to try and prove him as season mvp lol. 

4 Complete games, 2 Shutouts.

Tyler
3 years 9 months ago

Hey no problem man. Glad I could help

3 years 9 months ago

Ok. But think how much impact he has on that one game every 5 games. He pretty much decides the win or loss, for the most part. 

Ben_Cherington
3 years 9 months ago

He helps.  His offense still has to score.

moustacheman
3 years 9 months ago

Bautista should have won the AL… why penalize someones great year because they play for a terrible team…

Same argument for Kemp… He pretty much beat Braun in every offensive category while playing an up the middle position…

0 – 2 on MVP this year…

3 years 9 months ago

maybe he should try not striking once every 3.8 at bats.

moustacheman
3 years 9 months ago

maybe he should try not hitting so many homeruns or stealing so many bases…

Cody
3 years 9 months ago

He only affected the outcome of 34 of 162 games. Without him, the team maybe wins 10 fewer games. Without Ellsbury, Boston wins a lot less.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 9 months ago

and in those 34 games, he was the most important factor. Jacoby Ellisbury isn’t the most important player in 162 games.

Cody
3 years 9 months ago

Of course he wasn’t. Nice reach. But he was an important factor in more than 34. And probably helped create more wins for his team than Verlander.

Ry.the_Stunner
3 years 9 months ago

Without Ellsbury, the Red Sox don’t blow the last game of the season to cap off the worst collapse in the history of baseball because they wouldn’t have even been close to that position.  Ellsbury ensured that the Red Sox were the embarrassment of baseball this season.

They probably would’ve been better off without him.,

tdot32
3 years 9 months ago

Ellsbury has almost no case. He’s not even the center piece of Boston’s line up, and he had a good season, but not an MVP season.

Cody
3 years 9 months ago

Pedroia wasn’t the centerpiece in 2008 either. Heck, you could argue that Braun isn’t either, and Fielder was.

But in statistical terms… how can you say Ellsbury didn’t have an MVP season when his stats are nearly identical to Braun’s?

Braun: .332, 109 R, 33 HR, 111 RBI, and 33 steals
Ellsbury: .321, 119 R, 32 HR, 105 RBI, and 39 steals

So therefore the difference between having an “MVP Season” and having “almost no case” is what exactly?

NatsTown
3 years 9 months ago

I don’t think he was the most valuable player on his own team.

moustacheman
3 years 9 months ago

Ellsbury was easily the most valuable player on the red sox… I’m no sox fan, but I think thats pretty apparent to the baseball world.

thegrayrace
3 years 9 months ago

Pretty sure he was talking about the Tigers and Cabrera vs. Verlander.

East Coast Bias
3 years 9 months ago

I would have went Kemp.

RationalSportsFan
3 years 9 months ago

Someone voted for Prince Fielder over Ryan Braun?  That’s funny.

daveineg
3 years 9 months ago

I’m a Brewer fan and I would have voted for Prince too.  Braun missed a dozen games.  Fielder didn’t miss any.  Fielder protected Braun, not the other way around.

bobskube
3 years 9 months ago

What a shock.  You’re 100% wrong again.

Repeat after me:  Protection is not a thing.  Protection is not a thing.  Protection is not a thing.

And he missed 12 games.  Good God.

monkeydung
3 years 9 months ago

how is protection not a thing?

bobskube
3 years 9 months ago

It’s just not.  I’ll link you one of 100 interesting articles on the subject.  Hang on.

Edit: I imagine linking is frowned upon since I’ve never seen a link in the comments section, so I’ll just say: google “baseball protection myth” and let the knowledge flow.

Also, I heard Tim McCarver say it, so it must be b.s.

3 years 9 months ago

Protection is definitely a thing. 

bobskube
3 years 9 months ago

No.  No it isn’t.

3 years 9 months ago

Sure it is. You can buy it in the gas station bathro… oh, you’re talking about baseball. I agree, it’s not a thing.

RationalSportsFan
3 years 9 months ago

Prince didn’t hit behind Braun to “protect” him.  Prince hit behind Braun because Braun is an above-average baserunner and will not clog the bases like Prince is guaranteed to do.

Put Braun behind Prince and the Brewers score less runs, because Fielder is an atrocious baserunner, NOT because Braun is being left unprotected.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 9 months ago

It’s a shame that Kemp got penalized for being on a bad team. The Brewers wouldn’t have been in the playoffs without both Braun and Fielder in addition to their strong starting pitching staff. Braun played for an all around better team than Kemp did, no wonder he was in the playoffs.

Put Braun on the Dodgers and they’re in the same position they are with Kemp. Not saying he didn’t deserve it.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 9 months ago

The Dodgers were not a bad team last season — they ended up with a winning record. That’s mediocre, but not bad. I don’t accept the reasoning that it’s about the team not the player anyway. If that was the case then Kershaw would not have won the CY.

I actually like this result for the benefit of Kemp’s mindset. He did well enough in the voting to know that he’s got a shot at it. No slacking, Matt — we want you to win next year!

cbcbcb
3 years 9 months ago

You can’t give the CY Young and MVP to two players on the same team that was awful.  That’s why Braun won

stl_cards16
3 years 9 months ago

But you can give them to the same guy?

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 9 months ago

So penalize someone because their teammate also had a good year? I’m sorry but that’s the worst reasoning I’ve heard for giving Braun the MVP over Kemp. It’s an individual award, the Cy Young voting should have no effect on the MVP voting.

No where in the CY Young is there, in writing, “Most Valuable Pitcher,” it’s most outstanding pitcher. Kershaw got rewarded for having an outstanding year and the best among NL pitchers. If it was “Most Valuable Pitcher,” Halladay probably would have won, especially since he got more MVP votes.

3 years 9 months ago

pretty sure he was joking.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 9 months ago

Well that explains the irrationality. It’s hard to tell on here sometimes.

Either way, I’m sure somebody else is thinking it so I’ll just consider my post as addressing that.

cbcbcb
3 years 9 months ago

The title of the award is “Most Valuable Player.”  Kemp is clearly not the most valuable player if his team was terrible and his ace pitcher won the Cy Young Award.  Had the award been “Best Offensive Player,” then Kemp would be deserving.

TartanElk
3 years 9 months ago

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TRYING TO TELL ME THAT BRIAN SCHNEIDER DIDN’T WIN? 

Tko11
Tko11
3 years 9 months ago

He would of won if he was on the ballot!

TartanElk
3 years 9 months ago

Write-in votes.

3 years 9 months ago

Are you kidding me? I’m FAR from a Dodgers fan, but how do you not give this to Matt Kemp after the year he just had? Not that Braun is undeserving altogether, but Kemp just had a historic season…

Ry.the_Stunner
3 years 9 months ago

Historic? What was historic about it?  What league records did he set or break?

Joey Caltabellotta
3 years 9 months ago

Doesn’t seem fair to Kemp, but it’s undeniable that Braun had a great season as well. The stats say that Kemp had the better year, but this should have been expected anyways so I’m not as disappointed as I would have been if I were to actually expect the BBWAA to do the right thing and give Kemp the award.

3 years 9 months ago

Hebrew Hammer strikes again!

3 years 9 months ago

This is a good point…forgot about that.