Selig To Meet With Giants About A’s Relocation

The Athletics have been stuck in a bit of a holding pattern this offseason due to their stadium situation, but they may be drawing closer to a resolution. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports that Bud Selig plans to meet with Giants executives within two weeks in an effort to accelerate a decision about whether the A's will be allowed to relocate to San Jose.

The Giants draw a significant portion of their fan base and corporate sponsorships from counties south of San Francisco, and they are adamantly opposed to relinquishing their territorial rights to the South Bay. A source tells Rosenthal that the Giants must draw at least 3.2MM fans to break even on their $130MM payroll next season after drawing 3.4MM fans this season. They can't afford much of a slip.

If the Giants refuse to yield their territorial rights, Rosenthal says one solution would be for MLB to purchase the Athletics, secure a stadium deal in Oakland, then resell the club. It would be similar to what they did with the Expos in 2002. The A's have agreed to expand the seating capacity (32K) of the proposed Cisco Field design as one condition of the move. Essentially, Selig has to balance the best interest of the Giants with the best interests of the game.


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228 Comments on "Selig To Meet With Giants About A’s Relocation"


Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 8 months ago

Does this mean Selig will kill one of the most historic teams in MLB like he did with the Expos?
EDIT
Weird double post.

johnsilver
3 years 8 months ago

Why. They moving back to Philly?

What is historical about the Athletics in Oakland? They have been there since the 60’s.. That is not nearly as long as many other teams have been in their current location/city and not as long as some teams (by far) have played in their current stadium.

Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 8 months ago

It’s not about them being historic in Oakland, it’s just them being a dynasty that no one seems to notice anymore. And the last time Selig got involved in something like this, the team relocated and changed it’s name (Expos). And I don’t want that to happen to the A’s because I like them.

johnsilver
3 years 8 months ago

“And I don’t want that to happen to the A’s because I like them”

You are letting personal feelings dictate business decisions and that is a mistake.
I am a big marlins fan also, but that does not mean that they have much better of a future in Miami as doe the Athletics in Oakland for almost the same reasons. The only difference is the somehow swindled the people out of a stadium already, but have the same lethargic fans support that never seems to change from season to season.

Should MLB step in and bail them out every year also in other ways? How about Pittsburgh next? They are a century old and in many ways, one of the keystone teams of the game. Should MLB bail them out?

Selig understands the limits of his power and will not cross those lines, as much as he wishes he had the power do do so. Sure, he will talk, bribe and continue to sway the other teams as much as he can, but in the end each team is going to act in it’s own favor when it comes to a situation like presents SFG-Oakland.

Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 8 months ago

It’s not about them relocating.

Bud Selig will kill the team and rename it just like the Expos. I don’t care if they relocate. I just don’t want them to change their name.

johnsilver
3 years 8 months ago

Ahhh.. Teams do not always change name. Charlie O kept the A’s name when he moved them from Philly. Tho the Senators changed when think they ended up as the Rangers, or was it the Padres? i forget when several teams changed back then close together.

If was a fan of the team, as I am of the Fish would be more worried about the existence rather than where they play. IMO, the Fish are doomed even though they got that new stadium and hope they end up in a city that will support them in a few years.

I will still be a fan..It is the team I like, not particularly the city as it seems you are of the Athletics as well.

One day however it is almost inevitable for several teams to just disappear unless they go to different cities. Several current large market owners (IMO) are going to get fed up with supporting them, or rather keeping them on life support year after year and yes.. Those marlins I like are one of them if not relocated to a viable market. Places outside of the USA are a area not flooded also. Am a fan of moving into countries not tapped. mexico and perhaps even Japan

vonhayesdays
3 years 8 months ago

What the A’s need is a new stadium ,  preferable one in Jack London square (oakland)
but since the city has no money and im not sure really want them there ,  they need to move down the peninsula which actually used to be there territory they gave it to the giants for nothing, and the A hole owners of the GiGantes wont give it back, so that is all bud dbag selig is doing , because the A’s are dying in oakland right now 

3 years 8 months ago

The Expos changed their name because they were named after the World’s Fair in Montreal.  Once they moved to DC, the name no longer made any sense and needed to be changed.  The name “Athletics” would work in any city and would not be changed.

Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 8 months ago

Does this mean Selig is going to kill the A’s like he did the Expos?

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

seems like Bud is trying to go out with a bang . . . . I can’t wait until you’re gone, Mr. Selig.

55saveslives
3 years 8 months ago

It’s not the Giants fault that Oakland is a HORRIBLE city with a HORRIBLE fan base!  A’s should move to Portland!

SouthPawRyno
3 years 8 months ago

not a bad idea actually…

cyberboo
3 years 8 months ago

The A’s want to move to a city where they can build a solid fan base in San Jose.  They in fact gave the Giants the territory they now want back and the Giants are refusing.  It sets a precedent in sports that will see future teams refuse to give up territory rights to other teams.

Factor in that the A’s management will just sell off all the talent, leaving the cupboard bare and that would be a black mark against MLB.  Posters are correct and mlb would then buy the team and relocate them to a city like Portland.  I could see Oakland trading their pitching staff to the Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Rockies, or San Diego in spite, so the Giants chances of ever competing again decreases dramatically.

The Giants need to remember one important detail.  If they embarass the commissioners office, you know who controls the umpires, yep – the commissioner’s office.  Watch the strike zone shrink dramatically and bad calls galore against the Giants for years to come, leaving them looking up from the basement of the NL west.  They should know by now that Selig doesn’t like to be embarassed by any team.  He already helps the Yankees and Red Sox win games every year through the umpires.  Well, that can go the other way too and when the Giants start losing with help from the umpires, they can then ask themselves if it was really worth it.

Tko11
3 years 8 months ago

A baseball conspiracy theorist!! The last paragraph made me giggle, thanks bro

Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 8 months ago

Yes, Baseball management is like the mafia.

Both teams from Oakland and San Fran are fighting over territory. And if San Fran doesn’t lighting up the Commissioners office is going to do “Bad Things” to them and the A’s will unload their pitching staff on the Dodgers. And that would finish the Giants off.

That would make a awesome movie script for a FICTIONAL movie.

sports33
3 years 8 months ago

A’s are going to move into a place where they can get a publicly funded arena, and I believe Portland has said before that they wouldn’t do that.

Anyone feel free to prove me wrong, I’m just going off recollection.

55saveslives
3 years 8 months ago

San Jose won’t pay either….see 49ers

alxn
3 years 8 months ago

you got it right

sports33
3 years 8 months ago

thanks.

3 years 8 months ago

I really wouldn’t mind seeing Salt Lake City getting an MLB team, I think they could support one; just check out their support of the Triple-A Bees.

Wilsonl
3 years 8 months ago

Salt Lake City A’s.. Hmm..

Tony DiQuattro
3 years 8 months ago

I wouldn’t mind seeing the Salt Lake City Sweatrings becoming an MLB team in my lifetime

Alan Torres
3 years 8 months ago

Portland recently lost its AAA team.  I don’t think that’s viable.

3 years 8 months ago

Because they ran out of time in finding a plot to build their stadium.  They had two pieces of land picked out, but both deals fell through due to the public trying to save what they considered a landmark, and another piece of land that the neighbourhood didn’t want converted into baseball.  Given that, the team ran out of time and was forced to temporarily play down in Tucson.

RepOak
3 years 8 months ago

Thank Oakland sometime for your giants not moving to Tampa bay, they’re the ones that should have moved

Whole_New_World
3 years 8 months ago

Thanks. Now bugger off.

love_louseal
3 years 8 months ago

They should move to Sacramento. Just swap the Rivercats for the A’s, and tack on the upper deck that Raley’s Field was built to support. It’s close enough to Oakland for Bay Area fans to travel, as Sacramento fans have always had to do to watch the Giants or A’s. People might actually care about the A’s in Sacramento.

green_and_gold
3 years 8 months ago

No one in the Bay Area would travel to Sac.  Are you kidding me?  You obviously must not be from the Bay Area!

love_louseal
3 years 8 months ago

Why not? Sacramentans drive to SF to watch games.

ramjamrock
3 years 8 months ago

Because they don’t have many options for things to do.

love_louseal
3 years 8 months ago

Anything you can do in SF, except the tourist traps, you can do in Sac. World-class dining, nightclubs, art etc. Plus the bars don’t charge $15 a drink just because the guy pouring it has a stupid mustache. Biking and walking trails are more extensive and prettier and we’re an hour from good skiing. The only reason to leave Sac for SF is Giants or Niners games.

Pete
3 years 8 months ago

It IS the Giants fault, actually. The A’s SAVED the Giants back in 93 when they were going to move to Tapma Bay by giving them these rights to san Jose because the Giants expressed interest in moving there. Then they didn’t move there, and kept the rights AND got a new park in downtown SF. The A’s fanbase was BETTER and LARGER than the Giants until the Giants got a hew park, and all the casual fans went there, because its nice. Just let the A’s move to SJ and everything will be split again.

Wilsonl
3 years 8 months ago

Boom boom pow pow pow pew pew pew!

EdinsonPickle
3 years 8 months ago

Oakland has such a storied franchise with so many incredible players and memorable moments associated with that team. It would be a somber sight to behold if they relocated to San Jose.

nolives
3 years 8 months ago

it would be better than toiling away in Oakland with no fans, no stadium, no money, etc.

EdinsonPickle
3 years 8 months ago

I’m not saying it wouldn’t be better for the team. It just would be sad if it came down to that.

3 years 8 months ago

It was sad to see the Expos leave Montreal too, but we got over that quickly.

Jeff
3 years 8 months ago

How about the Montreal A’s.  I like the sound of that.

CAD_Monkey
3 years 8 months ago

I’m sure they thought the same thing when they moved from Philadelphia, and then from Kansas City

EdinsonPickle
3 years 8 months ago

Probably so. I wasn’t alive during all those crazy shenanigans though so I couldn’t say.

Dave
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, just like most of their world series wins are from the Philadelphia A’s…. 

I mean lets be honest here, Baseball is not exactly full of a history of stability once you go beyond the 80’s.  Just because most kids alive have never heard of most of these teams that we have right now being in other cities and the only time it’s happened has been with the Expos, doesn’t mean it’s either new or shocking when a team bails on a city, even a good ones.  

I mean seriously, the majority of the history of the West Coast teams is imported.  Dodgers, Giants, A’s, all came from somewhere else and had tons of history before they all came to California.  

RepOak
3 years 8 months ago

That goes for every sport, so what’s your point..

green_and_gold
3 years 8 months ago

The Athletics franchise has 9 championships.  5 in Philadelphia, 4 in Oakland.

monkeydung
3 years 8 months ago

The Dodgers have won six world series. Five of
Them have been in LA. Of their 11 Cy young winners, only one was in Brooklyn. Plenty of history on the west coast

DrHMD
3 years 8 months ago

Cy Young awards weren’t given out before the mid 50s

monkeydung
3 years 8 months ago

Fair enough! Then you could go with ROY awards. Four in Brooklyn, twelve in LA. Point is with any of these teams there has been plenty of history in California.

DrHMD
3 years 8 months ago

ROY didn’t start until 1947 just 10 years before the move to LA and Jackie Robinson was the recipient. Jim Gilliam, Don Newcombe and Joe Black all one for Brooklyn 4 in 11 years is a pretty good ratio.

DrHMD
3 years 8 months ago

Another fact probably useless but fun
Only 14 ROY have ever made the HOF    not a good ratio

Whole_New_World
3 years 8 months ago

Nevermind.

Cliff Oswald
3 years 8 months ago

I call complete BS on the notion that the Giants “must draw 3.2MM fans to break even on their $130MM payroll”. Doing simple math it seems like they would easily profit quite a bit on their payroll just by getting that many fans in the door. Not to mention that there are so many other ways they rake in money as well.

cyberboo
3 years 8 months ago

Did you notice that it was completely ignored that the Giants receive 1/30 shares of all merchandise sold by teams and they also receive a share of the luxury taxes from teams spending over the limit through payroll.  If there are five teams over the limit, the amount rises substantially to a 1/25th share of all the money five teams are taxed. 

3 years 8 months ago

Then the Giants need to stop giving Huff like 10MM, and they can afford to let their farm players get up to the MLB level and not worry about sellouts nightly; which we all know is complete BS to begin with.

green_and_gold
3 years 8 months ago

Maybe if the Giants stopped throwing away money on players like Zito, Rowand, and Huff they wouldn’t have to “draw” as many fans to the stadium!!

nostocksjustbonds
3 years 8 months ago

Giants brass should tell Selig where to stick it.

3 years 8 months ago

No. Giants owe this to the A’s, considering the A’s are the reason the Giants are still playing in SF anyway, and for free at that. The A’s used to own the territorial rights to where the Giants park is today. They gave away those rights FOR FREE in order to keep the Giants in SF and not force them to move to Tampa Bay.
A’s ownership could have told the Giants to stick it 15 years ago when this occurred, but they didn’t. They believed that a 2 team market in the Bay Area was the right thing for baseball.
Now the Giants won’t return the favor unless they get a massive payday. This is one of the most selfish and disappointing things I’ve seen from a team that should be supporting their local rivalry.

HowdIGetHere
3 years 8 months ago

What you’ve written is a bit off the mark. The territorial rights were shared.
Wally Haas agreed to allow the Giants to hold those rights exclusively
when the Giants were exploring a South Bay stadium. When that didn’t
work out, Haas never asked to go back to a shared territorial rights
scheme as he did not feel it necessary. The A’s never had exclusive
territorial rights over counties of the South Bay.

Also, it is simply incorrect to say the A’s are the reason the
Giants are still in SF. The only reason the Giants are still in San Francisco is because a Peter Magowan-led group bought the
team and drew up a plan for a privately-funded stadium in San Francisco.
Before that there was already a deal in place to sell the team to a
group based in St. Petersburg, Florida. When you look at what happened in the early 90s and why the Giants stayed in San Francisco, the A’s really don’t have much to do with it.

3 years 8 months ago

Haas giving up the territorial rights extended the Giants’ life in the Bay Area. Had he not done that, the Giants were set to move immediately to Florida. So in a way, yes, the A’s are responsible for the Giants staying in the Bay Area.
Regardless, the A’s did what they could to help the Giants out in this situation. Isn’t it time the Giants did the same?

Hubbs2
3 years 8 months ago

The Giants were seeking a vote for Santa Clara county, Haas granted the Giants exclusive territorial rights to Santa Clara as they were shared between the club. It had nothing to do with San Francisco. He did this simply because the Giants drew more fans and this could help him draw more fans

3 years 8 months ago

This sounds to me like a Giants fan trying to reason with their ownerships greediness right now.
I don’t understand how this could have helped him draw more fans. If anything, it would have been in Oakland’s best interests to not grant them the rights, and then watch as the Giants moved to Tampa and the A’s got all the baseball fans in the Bay Area.

Pete
3 years 8 months ago

I don’t understand how many fans actually drive up (No BART) from SJ to go to Giants games? The A’s are closer to SJ, I have done no research but logically doesn’t that say the A’s would have more casual walk-up fans than the Giants, just because of where they are?

Selig should just give the Giants whatever money he gave the Orioles when the Expos moved to DC to the Giants, easy, problem solved.

HowdIGetHere
3 years 8 months ago

There is a commuter train that starts in San Jose and ends in San Francisco about a block or two away from AT&T Park. There are also two possible freeways to take from San Jose to San Francisco (101 and 280). Covering the distance between the two cities might take a little time, but it is by no means difficult. During my four years of undergrad study in the South Bay, I never once found it too inconvenient to get to AT&T, although I could understand if a casual fan might.

Getting from the East Bay to San Jose by car is also quite easy depending on traffic; however, as far as I know there is not yet a convenient means of public transportation from the East Bay to San Jose. BART ends in Fremont, and though I believe they are extending it to San Jose, at this point in time the option of taking BART directly from the East Bay to San Jose does not exist. (NB: You could potentially take BART from the East Bay to Milbrae/SFO and then transfer onto the Caltrain and take that into San Jose, but at that point you’re practically circling the entire Bay Area just to get to San Jose.)

Hubbs2
3 years 8 months ago

You sound to me like an ignorant A’s fan. It got them out of the area, the risk of the Giants building a new stadium in the area would have been gone, or they move to St. Petersburg

3 years 8 months ago

haha, well it’s pretty possible to be an A’s fan and ignorant at this point. There aren’t enough of us around to be that way!
But in all seriousness, if that’s the way you feel, then you shouldn’t be opposed to the A’s moving to San Jose. If you’re claiming the A’s motive was to get the Giants out of the area by moving to San Jose or Santa Clara, then it shouldn’t be a problem for the A’s to move there, because it gets them further away from the Giants.
I’m asking this seriously, though. I mean, right? Wouldn’t the Giants then be more in favor of the A’s moving to San Jose then building a nice waterfront stadium in Oakland, hypothetically?
The answer is no, because Giants ownership will do whatever they can to move the A’s out of California, or continue to let them rot in the “Mausoleum.” 

Hubbs2
3 years 8 months ago

I have no problem with the A’s moving to SJ, but im not in the Giants front office and sadly they dont feel the same way, thats just how it is. MY opinion is if the A’s could draw better then it could increase fanfare in the entire bay area, resulting in better numbers for both teams. I think the Giants heads want to monopolize the area, in term hoping for more income in tv deals and attendance.
 I really wish the city of Oakland would help them out a bit more, finding an area to build somewhere in the city. The Coliseum is by far the worst stadium I have ever been to and the Oakland franchise deserves better. Frankly, I find it sad that a triple a team can have a nicer stadium than the big club

Pete
3 years 8 months ago

Except for the territorial rights. That are kind of ruining the A’s right now. 

So, there is that. 

HowdIGetHere
3 years 8 months ago

I’m talking about the Giants early-90s situation on its own. The territorial rights didn’t end up making that big of a difference at the time because Magowan’s group bought the Giants and kept them in San Francisco. It’s only now that the City of Oakland and the A’s are committed to being completely obstinate in dealing with each other that these territorial rights are a huge issue.

Pete
3 years 8 months ago

I agree that in theory the A’s should be able to find a place in Oakland, my personal dream scenario would be to find a place also on the water and at best, actually have views of the Giants park from a new A’s park and vice versa, that would be one of the coolest things in baseball.

But sadly the Giants view that as a nightmare and the city of Oakland has done absolutely nothing to help the A’s even find land to buy, and are far from helping them build a stadium, but even if it was privately financed the city of Oakland would still stand in their way, hence the SJ move.

Also I’m really no fan of all this total BS Giants revisionist history going on. Look guys, just admit it, you were attending zero games at Candlestick when they played there. When they were at Candlestick from 1990-1999, the Giants were always between 8th and 13th out of 14 teams in the NL, never higher. The A’s were 2nd, 3rd and 4th in AL attendance from 90-92 when they were a great team and also had good figures from 00-05 when they had to face a much better park for walkup fans close by, they would have been way higher up had they too been in a nice new park in SJ. 

All this contraction talk is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard too, San Jose deserves another pro-sports franchise way more than Portland or Vegas or Montreal does. The way that city supports the Sharks would increase even more with a baseball team, as NHL isn’t as popular as baseball is in the bay area, and nationwide. I wish the A’s would get a new park in Oakland, and if not, I hope they can move to San Jose.

ramjamrock
3 years 8 months ago

“Look guys, just admit it, you were attending zero games at Candlestick when they played there.”

Sorry, I’ve been going since the mid-80’s. I loved Candlestick.

Jason_F
3 years 8 months ago

The crux of your argument is false.  Do you really think that the A’s held the rights to the south of Market district in SAN FRANCISCO?  They had the the territorial rights to San Jose and the Giants were looking into the possibility of moving there instead of moving to St. Petersburg.  They should have simply negotiated a provision that if the Giants didn’t move there, the A’s got the rights back.  Having two teams in the metro area is in the best interest of both teams.  Hence, the A’s got something out of that deal, also…

3 years 8 months ago

Yes, I realize I got my facts wrong, my mistake.
That being said, how can you say it was in the A’s best interests to give them the territorial rights?

Jason_F
3 years 8 months ago

Because two teams in the metro area keeps interest in baseball high.  One team with a horrible stadium and a small payroll leads to dwindling interest and eventually possibly no teams in the area.  I do believe that the A’s have a strong fan base, but they are not maximizing it in any way.  It doesn’t help that the stadium is basically in the ghetto, either.  I personally thought the Fremont location would’ve been perfect.  Still in Alameda County and central to the existing fan base.  I can’t recall why that plan was unsuccessful, though.

3 years 8 months ago

Ok, I see what you’re saying, but calling the stadium “in the ghetto” is really wrong, in my opinion. I could walk within a mile of the stadium in any direction, at any time day or night, and generally feel pretty safe.
And Fremont wasn’t successful because the residents of Fremont stupidly voted against it. Apparently they didn’t want a brand new BART station, upscale housing community and more money for their city. Oh well.

3 years 8 months ago

Ok, I see what you’re saying, but calling the stadium “in the ghetto” is really wrong, in my opinion. I could walk within a mile of the stadium in any direction, at any time day or night, and generally feel pretty safe.
And Fremont wasn’t successful because the residents of Fremont stupidly voted against it. Apparently they didn’t want a brand new BART station, upscale housing community and more money for their city. Oh well.

Pete
3 years 8 months ago

You are 100% correct. The Giants are backstabbing the A’s so hard here. Its almost exactly the same situation as the Giants were in back in 93, only the A’s HELPED them, the Giants are just twisting the knife. What a disgusting franchise. The Giants need to fall into the ocean for this, theyre* cowards, liars and backstabbers.

*The front office and owners I mean. Timmy is cool.

Whole_New_World
3 years 8 months ago

“The A’s used to own the territorial rights to where the Giants park is today.”

WTF are you talking about?

You A’s fans have really lost your f’n minds.

MetsMagic
3 years 8 months ago

I wonder if this would be the first time in sports that a team has the same name in 4 different cities. For such a storied franchise, it’s hard to believe that they were the “white elephant” of Philadelphia, KC was a bust, and now they can’t stick in Oakland. 

icedrake523
3 years 8 months ago

I’ll say what we’re all thinking: Contraction.

MetsMagic
3 years 8 months ago

That would be the worst thing to happen to baseball since the DH rule. 

Dave
3 years 8 months ago

I totally disagree.  There are too many teams as-is, and some of them have basically been abandoned by their fans.  Both Florida teams boggle my mind.  Only through revenue sharing are they even anywhere close to staying in business.   Oakland has basically abandoned the A’s, to be honest Washington didn’t REALLY deserve a franchise anyway with the O’s so close, and Kansas City hasn’t been out of the dumps for attendance since strike.   It sorta sucks that the other teams keep these guys profitable through revenue sharing.  

I assume it’s for competitive reasons, in that you pay to keep the weak teams around so you have someone to beat 3/4 of the time and if one of them manages to spend and get lucky one year well good for them.   

MetsMagic
3 years 8 months ago

There have been franchises in Washington and Baltimore at the same time with the 19th century. In the late 60’s they should have created a new franchise in Texas instead of Montreal and left the Senators alone.

You don’t contract one of baseball’s most historic and memorable franchises. It doesn’t have to be fair to the other owners. The Athletics need to exist, whether in San Jose or elsewhere. 

Robert Gaito
3 years 8 months ago

It’s one thing to spout the ‘C’ word on teams like the Mariners or the Rays, but the A’s have been around for over 100 years with the third most World Series titles in history.  You don’t just ‘Contract’ that.

icedrake523
3 years 8 months ago

I agree. But unfortunately since Loria conned Miami into building him a stadium, the A’s and the Rays are the 2 teams most suitable to be contracted.

$6592481
3 years 8 months ago

really? who cares a storied team like the A’s and the stellar team the Rays have become, just contract them away? wtf?

icedrake523
3 years 8 months ago

Unfortunately for the A’s, Jimmie Foxx, Reggie Jackson, and Rickey Henderson aren’t on their roster now to put people in the seats. The Rays play in an apathetic market, their on-field success is proof that baseball doesn’t have a viable future in Tampa.

MetsMagic
3 years 8 months ago

The Tampa Bay Rays suffer from the same stadium woes that the Oakland A’s do. They are in a battle with St. Petersburg so they can relocate to Tampa. 

sports33
3 years 8 months ago

Why? MLB is increasing the places it can draw players from rapidly, that speaks more for expansion then it does for contraction.

Alan Torres
3 years 8 months ago

It can’t happen anyway until a NEW new CBA is signed 5 years from now.

Pete
3 years 8 months ago

No, no one is thinking that, only someone who didnt realize the players association would never allow it would say that. Plus the odds of MLB adding 2 more teams to make it 16 in each league is much greater.

icedrake523
3 years 8 months ago

Expansion isn’t going to happen. MLB can’t even find cities to relocate existing teams.

Nylund
3 years 8 months ago

Not that the San Jose Giants are all that important, but I’d imagine it’d hurt their ticket sales if an MLB team moved to the same city.

nostocksjustbonds
3 years 8 months ago

they wouldn’t be allowed to stay. SF Giants own the majority of that team, anyway. it’s part of how the move to SJ would hurt the Giants economically. 

Dave
3 years 8 months ago

minor leagues are adjusted every other year to suit the needs of teams.  When I was in  Knoxville, the Smoikes started as the Cardinals team, then switched to the Diamondbacks (weird) and then the Cubs, all in 3 years.  Kinda crazy.  

So some other small city will get a new A-ball team and the shuffle will happen.  Maybe Oakland builds a new AA or AAA sized stadium and the 10k or so that would show up for an A’s game would at least do a decent job of supporting a minor league team instead.  

MarinersRoyalsBraves2014
3 years 8 months ago

If you look at moving the A’s to SJ as a matter of proximity, the Giants would simply inherit everything North of the Bay, and SJ A’s would inherit everything South of the Bay. The folks in Oakland can choose to follow one or both. Giants would garner a significant portion of the Sacramento and even Oakland fans, while SJ would get the Monterrey, and Fresno citizens. Cisco is a huge factor, and you can’t not cede a team to San Jose and Silicon Valley.

MarinersRoyalsBraves2014
3 years 8 months ago

Also the Raiders are a factor in this, because soon they and the Niners are going to built a stadium for both teams to occupy. I doubt it will be in Oakland.

Dave
3 years 8 months ago

I’ll bet a lot of money it’ll end up in Oakland, if only because the public transit infrastructure is there and the land is cheaper and they can actually build a really nice sports complex on the Bay if everyone gets together and agrees that it’s a sensible plan for both teams.   Oakland and San Francisco are a good pair of cities.  Sending everyone from Oakland AND San Francisco basically to San Jose is disrespectful to both sides.  

green_and_gold
3 years 8 months ago

Building a new stadium on the water in Oakland isn’t a viable option.  Victory plaza has been ruled out as well as every other possible location in Oakland.  

If Oakland wants the A’s so bad, then why aren’t they acting like the SJ City Council to try and do everything possible for the team?

3 years 8 months ago

Sorry Master_Dave, but you are knocking on San Jose unfairly.   And to say that it is disrespectful for San Fran (A’s fans in San Fran?) and Oakland to go south is silly.   How respectful is it to make the largest portion of the Bay Area population trudge 55 miles to San Fran or Oakland?  

Dave
3 years 8 months ago

Say whatever you want about San Jose, but you knew what you were doing when you moved there and it’s nothing short of a foolish idea to move teams there.  

Maybe in 10 years when that BART extension gets built and they decide to start running the thing later than 1AM and anyone from SF and Oakland could actually get back home at night, but for now San Jose is a big second-class city that has a lot of growing up to do before it’s on par with San Francisco.  Even if there are more people.  

Not Oakland though, Oakland still mostly sucks but I’d rather live there than San Jose just because a 20 minute BART ride to interesting things in San Francisco would be much preferable to driving a car from San Jose.  

Jason_F
3 years 8 months ago

These are all excellent points.  Not to mention that 880 is an eye-gougingly horrible freeway to commute on, especially from 5-7pm, which is when you would need to use it to get to a weeknight game.

Whole_New_World
3 years 8 months ago

The Niners are not going to let the Raiders play in their stadium.

alxn
3 years 8 months ago

Not to mention that a large amount of Giants fans in San Jose will remain Giants fans, even if the A’s move to San Jose. 

MarinersRoyalsBraves2014
3 years 8 months ago

I have been following this for a few years, the Cisco Field is awesome, I hope they keep the outfield “window” to look down onto the field sunk well below street level, would be amazing if they still had the Condominiums overlooking the Outfield. For a few years I was thinking that the name California Athletics would have been appropriate especially if they had been in Fremont, even now, I think that’s a way to negate some territorial rights. SF Giants still own the Bay and the California Athletics in San Jose are for all of California.

Dan Wohl
3 years 8 months ago

Hard to imagine the A’s adopting the geographical name that was used by a divisional rival (Angels) as recently as 15 years ago.

ramjamrock
3 years 8 months ago

They could take a page out of their book, too, and call themselves the California Athletics of Oakland in San Jose.

Tony DiQuattro
3 years 8 months ago

The north bay is pretty useless to the Giants because you have to cross the GG bridge (now a $6 toll) during rush hour to get to most of the games.  Not having to cross a bridge is one of the reasons I’m a Giants fan. Just looking at a map shows you that if the SJ plan goes through, the SF territory would be limited to the upper peninsula.

Honestly a lot of the ticket sales are for corporate types and casual or non baseball fans. With ticket prices going through the roof due to the World Series and the increase in popularity of scalping bobbleheads, I would probably cut back from 5-10 Giants games a year and go to a few more A’s games if they moved to SJ.
Whether or not it’s fair, A’s to SJ would hurt the Giants income. 

love_louseal
3 years 8 months ago

Sacramento overwhelmingly supports the Giants anyway, and there is more money in the South to be garnered. It’s not merely a land swap.
 

3 years 8 months ago

That’s an obviously false statement. If anything, it’s pretty evenly split.

love_louseal
3 years 8 months ago

If that is true, A’s fans must be terribly ashamed to be A’s fans. For every Athletics hat or Jersey seen around this town there are ten with a Giants logo. And that started well before the World Series push.

3 years 8 months ago

I am from San Jose and would not want to see the A’s move to San Jose unless they got new ownership. I am a Giants fan all the way and would not switch over to the A’s if they moved, but I would not want a team that doesn’t spend money nor cares if the team is winning to move to San Jose. So unless they switch ownership or the current ownership starts spending money, I vote no on the move.

alxn
3 years 8 months ago

The ownership doesn’t spend money because nobody goes to their games. Ownership has actually stepped up and increased spending in the past few years. The A’s have made respectable offers to a number of high-profile free agents. 

green_and_gold
3 years 8 months ago

Ownership would spend money in the draft and in international prospects if they got the green light to move to SJ.  Then, when those prospects would be ready to move into a new stadium, they would spend money on quality free agents to compliment those players.  

Lew Wolff is an old man and has stated multiple times that he wants to see Oakland get a ring before he dies.  He is willing to spend, but when fans don’t even come out when the A’s went to the ALCS in 2006, it is hard to justify spending money when you don’t see a return because of a terrible, decrepit stadium.

Robert Slye Jr.
3 years 8 months ago

Good for you for being a Giants fan. Me, I’m an A’s fan. The A’s used to have a gorgeous stadium. The Giants used to play at Candlestick and were desperate to get out. So they announced a plan to move to San Jose, they bargained for San Jose territorial rights from the A’s and they got them. The Giants don’t move to San Jose, they move to Phone Company Park: A beautiful new park where they can thrive. What happens to the A’s? They get screwed over by the return of the Raiders to Oakland and uglify the stadium by building the giant cement “Mt Davis” behind center field to add more seats for football. Now they play in a decrepit stadium. The Giants refuse to reciprocate a good-natured deal the A’s gave them for San Jose even though they didn’t follow through on the reason they acquired the rights in the first place.

You complain about the money the A’s do or don’t spend… because they don’t have a money-making ballpark that the Giants have, how much more money do you think they can actually spend anyway? You’re dreaming if you think the A’s could afford the payroll the Giants do. They could… if they got a new stadium! Businessmen or not, The Giants are pricks for taking from the A’s and not giving anything in return. The business should be Major League Baseball… not 30 franchises. It should be ‘What’s best for Major League Baseball?’ .. Not ‘what’s best for the SF Giants?’. What’s best is giving all the teams a chance to succeed, and you’re not doing that by trapping the A’s in a crappy stadium.

Move the A’s to San Jose, and I guarentee you’ll see the Giants will have bickered over potential revenue drops for nothing!

Jason_F
3 years 8 months ago

You definitely make good points.  However, wouldn’t this possibility have been mitigated by simply insisting on a provision that if the Giants ended up not moving to SJ, that they give up the rights?  Unfortunately for you, the 30 teams are individual profit centers unto themselves.  The respective owners are going to protect their investment first and foremost rather than assist the crosstown rivals in a venture that will assuredly hurt their (the team giving up the rights) long term profitability, regardless of whether it is best for MLB.  MLB is doing just fine.  The A’s are not.  Big difference.

3 years 8 months ago

Some weak 30k seat stadium, would be one of the lowest seat capacity ballparks. Doesn’t seem like even the A’s think they are going to get much fans in San Jose. IF they moved to San Jose they wouldn’t sell out half their games. Most of SJ are Giants fans and I don’t see them switching teams to watch a team that sells their players for prospects every year. Any long time Giant fan won’t spend money on a team that refuses to try to win. Maybe in 20 years where kids grow up to be A’s fans, but I don’t see them selling out anytime soon.

alxn
3 years 8 months ago

How about what is best for the city of San Jose? They are more than deserving of an MLB team of their own, especially with the way they have supported the Sharks. 

55saveslives
3 years 8 months ago

San Jose residents are Giants fans.  Nobody cares about the A’s.

(I’m from San Jose)

alxn
3 years 8 months ago

I doubt you’ve taken the time to survey the entire city of San Jose and analyze the results to come up with that conclusion so I’m not going to put any stock into that statement. Sorry bro!!

55saveslives
3 years 8 months ago

Ok, take a drive through San Jose and count people you see wearing Giants gear vs. those wearing A’s gear.

jpshark
3 years 8 months ago

YOU are from San Jose. Ever heard the term “small sample size”? If nobody in San Jose cares about the A’s, why do all of the votes regarding the A’s move show that the people of San Jose would very much be in favor of the A’s relocating there?

The fact of the matter is the A’s would FINALLY begin to thrive in a new stadium there, as did the Giants after they got their new ballpark. San Jose can and will absolutely support a new ballpark for the A’s, and while it would probably create a new fanbase in the south bay for the A’s, TRUE Giants fans would certainly stick with their team and any loss in revenue will probably be more then balanced out by whatever deal Selig works out between the Giants and A’s to have the territorial rights turned (back) over. 

If San Francisco really needs to draw 3.2mm to pull even financially, they should have better spent $130mm on payroll and produced another playoff contending team to create more revenue. Its in no way, shape or form the A’s problem if its true that the Giants are operating within such thin financial lines. Over-spending, and under-performing.

Fred_G_Sanford
3 years 8 months ago

move em to japan or england or mexico or some spanic country.

jpshark
3 years 8 months ago

Or not!

Wilsonl
3 years 8 months ago

And exactly how would the A’s benefit from that?

Scott Bussey
3 years 8 months ago

Fans of the A’s that live in Oakland, would you rather the team move to San Jose, which is an hour away, so they can get a new stadium, have fans, and actually compete. Or would you rather them move to Portland or Charlotte?  In San Jose you can still drive down and catch a game on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon if they move to Portland or Charlotte you will never see your team play live again. To me this is a no brainer for A’s fans .  San Jose and Oakland are in the same large metro area and is in driving distance so you can still attend games.  I know it’s embarrassing to see all of the empty seats in Oakland for a team with 9 world series titles. The Athletics should be one of the marquee teams in MLB and instead it’s a second thought.

Dan Wohl
3 years 8 months ago

I’m a Giants fan and I’m ashamed by the way my team has treated the A’s on this. Especially with the Giants riding so high, having just won a World Series, selling out the entire year in their beautiful bayside stadium, etc. The A’s, meanwhile, have no money, play in a crumbling shithole, and are generally drowning, and the Giants are eager to throw them an anvil. Not cool.

3 years 8 months ago

I appreciate this from a Giant’s fan. As a lifelong A’s fan, I have never had anything against the Giants until this bitter argument began. I have loved the cross town rivalry, it’s one of the best and most civil in sports today. I was happy for them when they finally won a ring in San Francisco. But then for this to occur is just so disappointing.
There is a great article from the 1990s that illustrates the A’s helping the Giants when they were nearly moved to Tampa. Once I find it I will post the article, because I think it’s a must read for anyone interested in this stadium situation.

Amakiir
3 years 8 months ago

Why should one MLB team survive by cannibalizing another MLB team?  They shouldn’t have ever been so close together, and they should be moving further apart.  Not rearranging territory.  It is just stupid.  It is obvious that two teams cannot survive in that area, and the A’s are clearly the odd man out.

3 years 8 months ago

Cannibalizing? Wow, hyperbole much?
As it stands, the A’s and Giants are about 8 miles (as the crow flies) away from one another. Putting the A’s in SJ will put them over 30 miles from one another.
You know there are two teams in other cities that are closer together.
And furthermore, there is no proof that 2 teams can’t survive in that area, it’s that one team can’t survive while playing in a stadium that players have even said they don’t feel safe in. While I don’t necessarily agree with that sentiment, it’s clear that the A’s can’t draw as a result of a decrepit stadium.

Amakiir
3 years 8 months ago

It is not hyperbole, it is fact.  When one team is intentionally moving to an area within the region of another team because they think there will be more fans in that area, it is cannibalizing.  A team shouldn’t have to move into (or through) another teams region.  When that is necessary, it is clear the area cannot support both teams.  In fact, you admit this much yourself.  The A’s had to help out the Giants.  Now the Giants have to help out the A’s.  Obviously they cannot both be there.  For one team to grow, the other needs to shrink.

3 years 8 months ago

i’m not saying that at all. I’m saying it’s impossible for the A’s to draw fans because their stadium is junk, much like Candlestick was a terrible place to watch a baseball game.

alxn
3 years 8 months ago

“one team is intentionally moving to an area within the region of another team because they think there will be more fans in that area”

They’re moving because they can’t get a new stadium deal in Oakland. They’ve tried other places like Friedmont as well before focusing on San Jose. 

3 years 8 months ago

And again, how the heck can we call San Jose a San Francisco region?!

love_louseal
3 years 8 months ago

You don’t help a rival unless it can help you. Would you support a move for the Dodgers to SJ? and I think you meant anchor, not anvil. Why would you throw an anvil in the water?

BalcoBomber
3 years 8 months ago

The same reason you would give a record setting contract to Barry Zito

love_louseal
3 years 8 months ago

Are you suggesting poor decision making? I think that just further illustrates my point.

dubthebeachcomber
3 years 8 months ago

I can’t understand why the A’s don’t look toward Sacramento. There is a huge fan base that is already familiar with the A’s farm team located there. There is plenty of money, being the state capitol, and a huge fan base that is comparable in numbers to San Jose. Seems to me that a move to Sac would be far easier to accomplish.

blackandorangepride
3 years 8 months ago

Ask the Kings’ why that wouldn’t be a good idea

ramjamrock
3 years 8 months ago

The only reason the Kings aren’t happy is because they aren’t willing to fund their own stadium. Haven’t the A’s been planning a privately financed park?

ItTakesFaith
3 years 8 months ago

The A’s would be wise to consider looking to the success of their AAA Sacramento Rivercats!  While located a mere hour East of Oakland, the lowly farmhands regularly outdraw their Major League franchise… go figure!  Truth be told, Sacramento sits in the middle of a baseball hotbed.  The Sacramento/San Joaquin Valley’s have historically been one of the most prodigious of baseball feeding grounds.

Simply swap the A’s to Sacramento (and, in turn, the Rivercats to Oakland).  With the NBA in a tailspin (who cares about the Sacramento Kings anyway!), put the money intended for a new basketball arena, into a suitable riverfront baseball stadium.  Evening Summer games while sitting alongside the Sacramento River, cooled by the Delta breeze, would make it one of the hottest tickets in the MLB!  Fan support would come from the existing East Bay to the West (in most cases, less than an hour away), Reno to the East, Redding to the North and Fresno to the South… that’s five distinct television markets (& 15 million+/- resident fans)!  The corporate sponsor base would likewise expand; likely retaining many of its East Bay sponsors (& fans!), while exploding the reach of the team to the rest of the Northern California/Nevada region (and cannibalizing the Kings corporate base, with the team looking to be going away!).  Considering the options for the A’s, this one (without a doubt) is the best… for the ownership/team, the fans and the MLB (Giants in particular) at large.  What’s there not to like…?

This is merely the beginning.  More to be discussed as the process proceeds…

julesLovesBaseball
3 years 8 months ago

Hear, hear! That would be fantastic.

3 years 8 months ago

Move the A’s to Portland. Or better yet, Move the KC Royals to the AL West, and move the A’s into the Indianapolis, and put them in the AL Central. Their is a large market their waiting to be expanded on in the state Indiana. 

sox2727
3 years 8 months ago

If you move the A’s to Indy, then you have another stadium issue to deal with.  Are you going to just expand Victory Field (home of the Pirates AAA affiliate)?  I don’t see the state footing the bill for a new stadium or an upgrade to a AAA stadium right now.  Living in the northwest part of the state that essentially supports Chicago sports teams, it would be unbelievably difficult to gather support to help teams in the Indy market up here.

Tim O'Brien
3 years 8 months ago

As someone who lives in Indianapolis, I can tell you there’s no way MLB baseball is coming to Indy.

First of all, Victory Field is not designed to be expandable to major league size… there are currently no stands in the outfield, just a small picnic area, which runs very close to a very busy downtown street.  Beyond that street is the convention center, so there would be no place to expand or reroute the street.  So, an entirely new ballpark would be needed.  The only reason the city was able to gain support for a tax increase for Lucas Oil Stadium was because you had a very good team, Peyton Manning, and the promise of a Superbowl from the NFL.  You wouldn’t be able to find that kind of support for a mediocre MLB team.

Additionally, the Indy market is way too close to too many other markets to get a team of its own.  The Reds are an hour and a half away, the Cubs and White Sox are less than three hours away, and you could be to Detroit, St. Louis, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Milwaukee in less than five.  The Indy fan base, who are really somewhat apathetic to MLB baseball to begin with, is already split between Reds and Cubs fans.

If you need more reason to see why this won’t work, look at the Pacers.  NBA team in a basketball crazy state with a beautiful arena, and still they are struggling mightily.

So, not gonna happen.

sox2727
3 years 8 months ago

Spot on man

3 years 8 months ago

The Giants own a privilege unique amongst MLB teams: they are one of two teams in a single major market, yet they have an embarrassingly strong command of the market share. The Yankees, Mets, White Sox, Cubs, Angels, Dodgers and Giants can all afford to spend $100million+ with ease every year whereas the A’s have never topped $80million in team history. 

A move to San Jose would not hurt the Giants nearly as much as it would benefit the A’s. Given that they play in different leagues it seems like the Giants have but a few petty [Zito] dollars to lose on this deal, whereas the entire stability of the Athletics franchise for the decade to come may hinge on their ability to secure a stadium deal. Even as a fan of the Mariners and, (to a lesser extent,) the Giants, I can’t help but root for ‘Oakland’ to catch a break on this one.

Alan Torres
3 years 8 months ago

Thanks man.  I’m an A’s fan, and for awhile there’s been this “joke” that the A’s should take on the Zito contract as payment to the Giants for San Jose.  The more I think about it, though, the more I think that’s not a bad idea.  He’s got like $50M left and, let’s face it, we’re probably not spending that money on anything useful anyway.

Pete
3 years 8 months ago

This makes a lot of sense too.