Pujols Has Three Offers Of Ten Years, $200MM+

After a pair of meetings between the Marlins and agent Dan Lozano on Monday, Albert Pujols reportedly has a whopping ten-year offer in hand to join Jose Reyes in Miami. The Cardinals and Cubs met with Lozano yesterday as well.  Here's the latest on Pujols…

  • The Cubs are "definitely in" on Pujols still, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. If nothing else, they want to make things hard on the Cards by increasing the bidding, says Sherman.
  • The Marlins' brass completed their evening meeting with Dan Lozano, but told reporters, including Ken Rosenthal, that they had nothing to report. The Fish aren't sure if a third team is involved in the bidding, tweets Jon Paul Morosi. If there's a mystery team, it's definitely not the Phillies this year, tweets Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.
  • The Mystery Team has entered the mix! USA Today's Bob Nightengale reports that a third team, in addition to the Marlins and Cardinals, has made an offer to Pujols. All three offers are for ten years and at least $200MM, according to Nightengale.
  • The Marlins are pushing "very, very hard" to get closure on Pujols tonight, so they can move one way or the other, according to Scott Miller of CBS Sports. They don't want to be used to jack up the Cardinals' bid, and want to move on to other free agents if they don't land Pujols (all Twitter links).
  • The Cardinals expect resolution "sooner rather than later" and indicated that the ball is in Pujols' court, writes Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. The Marlins also would like resolution soon, tweets Morosi. Meanwhile, the Marlins met with an official from the commissioner's office tonight, and a possible Pujols contract was the topic of discussion, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.
  • A source tells Martino (Twitter link) to be "on red alert" for a Pujols deal tonight.
  • The Marlins' offer to Pujols is believed to be in the neighborhood of $220MM, Andy Martino of the New York Daily News reports (via Twitter). Cardinals GM John Mozeliak confirmed to reporters, including B.J. Rains of FOX Sports Midwest (Twitter link), that his team made another offer to Pujols today.
  • The Marlins also remain hopeful on Pujols, having offered a "creative" contract, tweets Danny Knobler of CBS Sports.
  • Talking to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports, Cards chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. declined to offer odds on the team re-signing Pujols: "I'm hopeful, but I don't like to use the word 'optimistic.' We're realistic about the fact that it may not happen." (all Twitter links).
  • Marlins president David Samson countered Spencer, saying the team will not sign a free agent to a deal including a no-trade clause.
  • In a break with team policy, the Marlins are willing to give Pujols a no-trade clause, tweets Clark Spencer.  This could be a major development.  The Cardinals are still alive for now, tweets Joe Strauss.
  • Marlins' brass concluded the 75-minute Lozano meeting without public comment.
  • The Marlins are heading up to meet with Lozano and expect a Pujols decision soon, tweets Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald.
  • As you might expect, the Marlins' ten-year offer exceeds $200MM, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today.  The Cardinals are expected to counter today.
  • There is optimism that the Marlins and Lozano will work through the no-trade clause hurdle, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney, though Ken Rosenthal says the Marlins will not relent completely on the clause.
  • The Cardinals do not expect to get an opportunity to match or beat an offer from another team before Pujols accepts, hears Derrick Goold of the Post-Dispatch.  The Cardinals have not ruled out a ten-year offer for Pujols, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.  Morosi's club source says it depends on the average annual value.
  • The Cubs submitted a bid for Pujols, reports Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.  However, MLB.com's Carrie Muskat says a Cubs official denied the report.
  • The Marlins' reported ten-year bid includes an average annual value that tests or exceeds $20MM, writes Strauss, but it does not include full no-trade protection.  The Marlins will meet with Lozano again today.  One club executive who spoke to Strauss pegged the team's chances of signing Pujols at 50-50.
  • ESPN's Buster Olney tweets a reminder that the disconnect in last offseason's negotiations between Pujols and the Cardinals wasn't the length, but the proposed annual value of $22MM.
  • Not surprisingly, David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution hears that the Marlins would trade Gaby Sanchez if Pujols lands in Miami (Twitter link).  Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune thinks the Cubs would try for Sanchez in that scenario.

Tim Dierkes and Luke Adams contributed to this post.


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655 Comments on "Pujols Has Three Offers Of Ten Years, $200MM+"


jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

If AAV is the problem, the tenth year offered by Miami may not matter.

I think the Cardinals can up their bid from 9/198 (22 mil AAV) to 9/216 (24 mil AAV), without killing the budget.  I think its an overpay, but it makes sense for them.

If the Marlins bid is only 10/230, they would be left in the dark.

Oilcanoworms
3 years 8 months ago

This is all madness. Madness I tell you!

BUDMAN23
3 years 8 months ago

Agree 100%. Baseball Executives are f..k’in stupid to pay anybody this kind of money. They’re paying for what he’s already done, not what he’s going to do for them. Look at A-Rods joke of a contract. The Yankees could have at least two young top players for less than what their paying an aging Alex. Smarten up Baseball!!!!!

miamiroc
3 years 8 months ago

I wonder if those young prospects could have would have sold as much merchandise, sponsorships, and tickets as A-Rod did? Nope. In the end, big names equal big money for both the players and the team.

miamiroc
3 years 8 months ago

I wonder if those young prospects could have would have sold as much merchandise, sponsorships, and tickets as A-Rod did? Nope. In the end, big names equal big money for both the players and the team.

Whole_New_World
3 years 8 months ago

LIKING the Marlins.:

 “That’s our offer. Make a decision. Now. We’re not here to drive up the Cardinal offer. We have other things to do.”

3 years 8 months ago

really, you don’t think that He would take 10/230 over 9/216?  He would just leave 14 million dollars on the table? No way he scores a 14 million contract at age 41.  That’s a lot of money to walk away from.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

A month or two back, there was a rumor that he said it would take “alot of money” to get him to leave St. Louis, and that “$50 million is not a lot of money”.  I absolutely think he’d leave $14 million on the table, particularly if Miami left out the NTC.

You’ll also note from the article above, that the length of contract wasn’t the concern, but the AAV.  If the Cardinals out AAV the Marlins, and only offer one year less, he stays home.

3 years 8 months ago

If the Marlins won’t include a no trade clause… the offer is worthless. Cardinals offer will include a no trade… Gaurenteed money.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

It really doesn’t matter if the Cards offer a NTC.  They will, but he has 10/5 rights with them anyway.

Miami’s failure to offer a NTC shows that they aren’t committed to Pujols long-term.  They want to win-now (laudible), but are more than willing to blow it up if things don’t work out.

nathanalext
3 years 8 months ago

St Louis won’t need to include a “no trade” clause. He’d be a 5/10 player. 

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

You typically put it in there anyhow.  It doesn’t hurt the Cardinals, and gives Pujols protection should they ever trade him anyway (with his blessing).

cacavolante
3 years 8 months ago

why would they need to put it in the contract if he already gets it anyway?

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

When you’ve already made $104 million and are in line for another $216 million, then no, $14 million to leave your comfort zone is pretty easy to pass up.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

florida can be a very comfortable place

Henry Sanchez
3 years 8 months ago

no state tax in florida, that extra $14 mil is a lot more

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

Not as much as you may think.  If half his income is earned in Missouri (you know, half his home games are there), we’re talking about an extra $750k or so assuming a $25 million annual salary.  Plus some of that can be offset on his federal return, so the amount is less (not sure how much less).

Andy_B
3 years 8 months ago

14 million when you are talking about 200 million dollar contracts is not that big of a difference when choosing between where he really wants to play and the highest bidder.  That wouldn’t be enough to lure him away.

Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 8 months ago

That $14 Mill would bring a lot of players back.

I think Pujols, IF he can stay healthy will play into his 40’s for that kind of money. You see it with Chipper Jones now. Even though his knees are totally broken, he can’t walk away from $13-$14 Mill a year.

Andy_B
3 years 8 months ago

at 20 mil the Marlins offered 200 million for nine years while the cardinals offered 198 for 9 years.  So really the Marlins still don’t even have the best offer on the table.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

To be fair, the Marlins offer -could- be higher than 20 mil a year.  Strauss isn’t specific.

I expect the Cardinals to go over 20 mil a year, and retain Pujols.  The lack of the NTC, to me, is telling of how serious Miami is.  It may be club policy not to offer them, but certain players will always demand them.

Andy_B
3 years 8 months ago

yah but even if it is higher it doesn’t sound like it would be much higher.  This is the samething that happened with the marlins 9 year offer, everyone started getting real excited about how the Marlins were going to snag Pujols and then it came out that the offer was like 9 years at 180 million.  So now they’ve added a 10th year to me that really doesn’t mean much if the AAV hasn’t increased to 25 mil.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

I agree, especially since the Cardinals saved $4 to $5 mil a year in managerial costs, which they can allocate to Pujols.  If they offered $22 mil a year before, there isn’t much reason they can’t go to $24 or $25 mil a year now, which looks much better than Miami’s apparent offer.

10/$200 without NTC is a joke.  Not a bad one, since it could always work (and be somewhat club friendly), but I seriously doubt it is enough to get things done.

Andy_B
3 years 8 months ago

What isn’t clear though is if Mo will go to the 9/198 number.  He has always maintained that that was last years offer and would have to be reduced by a year, which could mean the cards offer is 8 at 176 million, which if that is the case is an insult to Albert.

I think/hope that when it comes time Mo will up his offer to at 9 at 200 million.

ubercubsfan
3 years 8 months ago

I have to wonder about how the tax system plays into things.  I believe Florida doesn’t have any state tax.

PattySajak
3 years 8 months ago

10 years at 210-225 million is going to be the price range. So whats that 21-22.5 mill a year?

ubercubsfan
3 years 8 months ago

If the site I found is correct, Missouri has a 6% state tax.  So, for 200MM of Florida to be the same value, wouldn’t it have to be 212MM in Missouri?

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

no because you pay tax for wherever you play, including road games.

so its only 6 % for home games and whatever percantage of the road teams home state

3 years 8 months ago

again no trade clause!!! Pujols will see that as a sign, and think back to the previous championship marlin teams where that off season they dumped players. marlins could be doing all this signing to try to win a championship in thier first year in their new stadium. then decide to dump him to who ever wants him and get some prospects in return and turn right back into the pathetic marlins team they have always been. I cant believe Josh Johnson and Hanley wanna stay there. but if they win it all they wont have to worry about it i guess because htey will be wearing another uniform in 2013 lol

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

Marlins offered Pujols 10 years at 20+ MM per year.. the Cardinals offered him 198 at 9 year starting from last year.. Now that 9 year offer is an 8 year off because the season is over.. We should see an 8 year 200MM counter offer by the Cardinals soon.. Thats all they can do.

Andy_B
3 years 8 months ago

I think the 198 from last year is still good enough if they offer it this year.  Well make it 200 million for Albert’s sake with a vesting option for a 10 year if he finishes in the top 10 of MVP votes in year 9.  It’s still better than the Marlin’s offer and shows him that the cardinals want him to be there for life.

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

I dunno.. 22.22 may not keep him in STL. Money talks… I think its going to take a 24-25 per year contract to keep him in STL. Maybe a 9year 215MM with the same vesting option.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 8 months ago

Because he will definitely be worth over $20m a season at age 42, especially to a NL team.

emanresuym
3 years 8 months ago

Except there’s no income tax in Florida. Floridian teams always have a bit of an advantage because of taxes. Well, unless they’re up against teams from Texas, Tennessee, and other states without income tax. Not sure what Missouri’s income tax is, but it’s something to factor into the final numbers.

emanresuym
3 years 8 months ago

Except there’s no income tax in Florida. Floridian teams always have a bit of an advantage because of taxes. Well, unless they’re up against teams from Texas, Tennessee, and other states without income tax. Not sure what Missouri’s income tax is, but it’s something to factor into the final numbers.

Cheeseballs
3 years 8 months ago

I don’t want the Cardinals to go ten years. This may let them off the hook.

stl_cards16
3 years 8 months ago

The Cardinals open the season in Miami opening their new stadium.  Then, the Cardinals first home series is against the Cubs.

It’s like MLB knew the most dramatic scenarios before the off-season even began. weird

chico65
3 years 8 months ago

Careful buddy.  Bud Selig has just dispatched a team of covert operatives tasked with assessing and neutralizing any threats to his fiefdom.

3 years 8 months ago

actually the yankees open the new stadium 3 days before opening day when the yankees travel to miami to play the marlins in their new stadium! dont believe me check the schedule. now reg season yeah the cards will be opening it up with the marlins, but the marlins will play the first baseball game even if it is pre season against the yankees in the new stadium

3 years 8 months ago

Cubs should give him 8 years and something like $280 million. I bet he’d take it.

stl_cards16
3 years 8 months ago

Ya think?  35MM/yr………

boraswannabe
3 years 8 months ago

You’d make a terrific GM.

Rangers4Life
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah he’d be right up there with big names such as Bavasi and Reagins.

Eddie Millhauser
3 years 8 months ago

haha Reagins, what a sad excuse for a GM.

3 years 8 months ago

What do you mean sad excuse, I loved Tony Reagins as a GM he was nice enough to take Vernon Wells away :)

3 years 8 months ago

Same Reagins whose Angels won 277 games in his 3 seasons? Same guys whose teams made playoffs twice and ALCS?

Yup, he stunk.

3 years 8 months ago

Same Reagins whose Angels won 277 games in his 3 seasons? Same guys whose teams made playoffs twice and ALCS?

Yup, he stunk.

3 years 8 months ago

Brought to you by the same line of thinking that brought Soriono to the Cubs…

Andy_B
3 years 8 months ago

So this is what Jim Hendry does with his time now.

Henry Sanchez
3 years 8 months ago

omar minaya is that you?

Mikey Roederer
3 years 8 months ago

As long as it goes with reports from yesterday that it will be shorter years but more money I am ok with it..Its much easier to work on your minors when your majors aren’t completely worthless.

jjs91
3 years 8 months ago

Pujols is 2 war points better than sanchez i just dont get why they’d spend so much on a position that isnt a need.

3 years 8 months ago

He sells tickets… thats why.

jjs91
3 years 8 months ago

If tehy cant sell tickets with the team they have now they should just move

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

Ask Cubs fans – sometimes you have an owner with more money than intelligence.

theguy17
3 years 8 months ago

WAR points, really?  Pujols is way better than Gaby Sanchez.  And is also arguably the greatest right handed hitter of all time.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

I think the point is that they need pitching help alot more than they need first base help.  Use the money you’d pay Pujols, and sign both Wilson and Buehrle.  Be a better overall ballclub, unless they can get a significant return for Sanchez (in a buyers market).

theguy17
3 years 8 months ago

I think Pujols brings way more value than Wilson and Buehrle combined.  They can probably get a decent return for Gaby.  Pujols would make everyone in that lineup better.  Especially those that hit in front of him.

jjs91
3 years 8 months ago

I dont even know if pujols brought more value than wilson alone last year plus hes in a 3year decline. Ifyou want to spent 20 plus million to improve a positionthats fine go ahead but that money can go elsewhere like on the pitching class. Im not doubting pujols woba being .040 higher than sanchez is a big deal, but its not wirth that much money to correct it.

theguy17
3 years 8 months ago

I’m sorry, but a hall of famer, even in a subpar year for him, has much more value than a #2 starter who is on the field 32 times a year.

3 years 8 months ago

Not if you already have a pretty good 1B and $#!+ pitching.  Which would you rather do, go from a B to A+ at 1B while leaving your rotation at a D?  Or stay at B at 1B and upgrade pitching from a D to a B?

theguy17
3 years 8 months ago

Appearently they have an endless supply of money so why can’t they do both?  And Gaby plus a prospect or 2 could get a good arm back for them.

3 years 8 months ago

Doing both wasn’t ever part of the argument, but if they can then they definitely should.

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

The O’s will send Jeremy Guthrie and a prospect or two for Gaby as soon as the Pujols deal is done.

Deal?

jjs91
3 years 8 months ago

Who cares if hes a hofer his past performance wont help him now.

theguy17
3 years 8 months ago

He’s worst year was this year.  And he still hit near .300, 40 HR 100 RBI.  I’ll take him “declining” over any other hitter in the game.

jjs91
3 years 8 months ago

Ok it’s clear than that your bias

theguy17
3 years 8 months ago

How so?  And for who?  I’m a Giants fan. 

jjs91
3 years 8 months ago

For pujols i mean their are 4 first baseman better than him so i dont see how he is the best hitter in game anymore. Ill take miggy over him.

theguy17
3 years 8 months ago

Wow.  He’s still the most feared hitter in the game for a reason.

3 years 8 months ago

Thought I would reply just to make this narower still. Pujols is amongst the top 10 hitteres in the league, but no longer the number one

3 years 8 months ago

Thought I would reply just to make this narower still. Pujols is amongst the top 10 hitteres in the league, but no longer the number one

rsanchez1
3 years 8 months ago

Puttingonemorereplysoitallbunchesupinonecolumn.

Andy_B
3 years 8 months ago

it’s about maximizing your resources, even if the Marlins add Pujols they are still likely to be a third place team unless they fix their pitching.  

3 years 8 months ago

He brings in money for attendance. He brings in Jersey sales, he brings in a change of the regime and franchise over all. He brings in money when he starts to break records as it will draw attendance and TV rights then.

It is a crazy contract but the fish flip gaby for  pitcher and Lomo for a pitcher too and bam we have a rotation to go with him.

tomymogo
3 years 8 months ago

I wouldn’t sign Pujols. I would trade Gaby Sanchez + others for an SP like Gio then move Morrison to 1B. Move Bonifacio or Coghlan to LF and CF respectively.

SS Jose Reyes
LF Emilio Bonifacio
3B Hanley Ramirez
RF Mike Stanton
1B Logan Morrison
C John Buck
2B Omar Infante
CF Chris Coghlan

With
Josh Johnson
Gio Gonzalez
Ricky Nolasco
Anibal Sanchez
Chris Volstad

And closer
Heath Bell

Pretty darn good.

3 years 8 months ago

3rd place line-up at best …

tomymogo
3 years 8 months ago

4 allstar caliber players, and the rest are solid

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

The A’s already have three first baseman. Dealing a cost-controlled young lefty for another one makes zero sense.

tomymogo
3 years 8 months ago

They have 3 1B all with an OPS under 700. Move Allen and Carter to the outfield, Ka’aihue can DH, and Gaby a proven 1B can play 1B.

3 years 8 months ago

wow would that OF defense be atrocious or what?

tomymogo
3 years 8 months ago

Allen played LF in Arizona. Carter should go to AAA.

JacksTigers
3 years 8 months ago

You could always trade them for a more proven hitter.

imachainsaw
3 years 8 months ago

gio gonzalez warrants a better return than gaby sanchez. sanchez really isn’t great or even pretty good.

tomymogo
3 years 8 months ago

Gaby + whatever prospects you want

BaseballLogic_Braves
3 years 8 months ago

Gaby Sanchez is pretty good. Not great, no, but still pretty good. Solid guy.

imachainsaw
3 years 8 months ago

solid, yes. good, yes. but not pretty good. just simple ol good. not enough to think that he’s a good option for being sought as a long term solution at 1B. maybe for a small market team that has no option but to depend on solid pieces and hope that somehow they overperform. but that’s not the cubs’ situation.

JacksTigers
3 years 8 months ago

Sanchez and Dominguez as the centerpieces.

imachainsaw
3 years 8 months ago

i like dominguez

JacksTigers
3 years 8 months ago

Or sign Pujols and do the Sanchez trade.

1. Reyes SS
2. Ramirez 3B
3. Pujols 1B
4. Stanton RF
5. Morrison LF
6. Buck C
7. Infante 2B
8. Coghlan CF

1. Johnson
2. Gonzalez
3. Nolasco
4. Sanchez
5. Volstad

Closer: Bell

Gio is still making the league minimum and you’d have to move Sanchez if you sign Pujols.

guydavis
3 years 8 months ago

Why not sign Pujols and make the trade?

SS Jose Reyes
3B Hanley Ramirez
1B Albert Pujols
RF Mike Stanton
LF Logan Morrison
C John Buck
2B Omar Infante/Emilio Bonifacio
CF Chris Coghlan

With
Josh Johnson
Gio Gonzalez
Ricky Nolasco
Anibal Sanchez
Chris Volstad

Looks a whole lot better to me.

rsanchez1
3 years 8 months ago

They should sign either Buehrle or Wilson as well. Then that rotation becomes JJ, Buehrle, Gio, Nolasco, and Sanchez.

Volstad has had way too many chances to prove he gets hit too easily.

3 years 8 months ago

Cubs are driving up price.  Pena will be back as a Cub next season

sourbob
3 years 8 months ago

Agree with the first half of that. Second half… no way.

RobA
3 years 8 months ago

Why would the Cubs want to drive up the price for the Marlins? Don’t they want him out of their division pretty badly?

rsanchez1
3 years 8 months ago

The Cubs still can’t get over Bartman.

chrisenvy
3 years 8 months ago

The Cubs are in on Pujols, meaning they want him.. it doesn’t hurt to drive the price of free agents like him up though.  If the Marlins sign him it hamstrings a National League team and can help with the wild card, if the Cards get him back, they are severely hamstrung with that type of contract.

boraswannabe
3 years 8 months ago

The numbers and length being talked about is pure insanity.

3 years 8 months ago

 Compare it to A-Rod’s, and it really isn’t the insane contract of the two

boraswannabe
3 years 8 months ago

Comparing Insanity to Insanity.

disgustedcubfan
3 years 8 months ago

I think Theo is bluffing.  An interesting poker game seems to be getting started.

boraswannabe
3 years 8 months ago

You’d make a terrific GM.

UltimateYankeeFan
3 years 8 months ago

If I’m the Cardinals I offer Pujols an 8yr/$222.5MM deal.  I break it down 7 years at $27.5MM and 1 year at $30MM.  The 7 years equal the AAV of A-Rods deal and the 1 year at $30MM make Pujols one year the highest paid player in MLB history.  Something of a distinction quite frankly he deserves and may very well give him all he needs to OK the deal.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

I think Pujols knows that A-Rod’s contract isn’t a good comp.  First, it was clearly overpaid, and second, A-Rod used to play a premium position.

Offer him 8/$208.  8 years would be the longest contract ever given to a 1st baseman, and $26 mil AAV is the largest annual value to a first baseman.  He is then the highest paid first baseman in history, in both areas.

That said, I think that would be a clear overpay, and would harm the team’s ability to compete.

jjs91
3 years 8 months ago

Third base is still a preminum position, or at least more valuable then a first baseman.

UltimateYankeeFan
3 years 8 months ago

No question A-Rod was/is overpaid.  But this is now 3 plus years later than A-Rod’s renegotiated contract.   And we are talking 8 years versus the 10 years A-Rod got.  That in itself negates most of the argument that A-Rod was overpaid as it relates to Pujols. Plus since we are obviously talking hypotheticals would you be willing if my proposal was acceptable to lose Pujols for about $14MM over 8 years the difference between our proposals.
Heck the Cardinals already saved most of that difference by LaRussa retiring.

slider32
3 years 8 months ago

All free agents are over paid, it just depends how badly a team wants the player.

3 years 8 months ago

except arod made more than $30 million in 2009, 2010 and 2011…so that doesnt even work…some ‘ultimateyankeefan’ you are

Royals Fan
3 years 8 months ago

However signs this guy will regret it after year 3 or 4. 

Drew Thomas
3 years 8 months ago

For 10 years the Cards should let him walk…that’s just insanity. And I like that he wouldn’t have no trade protection. Marlins would win it all next year and then unload EVERYONE like they did a couple of years ago…

3 years 8 months ago

Exactly right with the NTCs. They pulled it off with Reyes. They would almost certainly start unloading players following two or three years. 

3 years 8 months ago

lol shows they wanna win just this year only. classic marlins right there. anyone whoh thinks they will win more then one WS is in need of some psychiatric help. whats going to be funny is how they will be stuck with his contract when he starts to faulter by 34. thats why he asked for such a big contract, he knows it and he knows teams are dumb enough to sign him to thata long and big of a contract. now if it were fielder id say bravo job well done lol. and their signing of reyes, everyone thinks hes one of the best SS in the league but the guy cant even stay healthy. hamstring issues the guy is only as good as his legs. his career wont last.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

Even more evidence – Miami left out the no-trade clause.  They want to win in the next few years, then trade Pujols to get out from under the contract.

bjsguess
3 years 8 months ago

If that is the plan then offering a 10 year deal is moronic. Who’s going to want a guy that has 8 years at $23M per year in 2014?

If they really wanted to dump him they would go for a shorter duration contract. Offer him 2/$60M or even 4/$110. Higher AAV but it would work out to be less than what they would need to eat if they tried to move him with 8 years left on a deal.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

Then why not offer the NTC?

3 years 8 months ago

because the marlins are not thinking. they are thinking about who it is their signing and the big name he holds and not the issue of his age or how this past season although was pretty good was not his best numbers and could be ready to hit a decline in his career. steroids will do that to you, just ask us yankee fans about arod lol

Wrek305
3 years 8 months ago

The Marlins don’t deserve to win.  They win 2 world series and have a fire sale each time and now they want to spend money like the Yankees. Pathetic. All of a sudden they have money, if that’s the case take Soriano, Zambrano, Soto and don’t bother returning anything they aren’t worth more then a Rookie A Ball player that’s for all 3 not for each.

3 years 8 months ago

pujols asked for such a big contract b/c he’s been arguably the best player in baseball since he came into the league and wants to be paid as such

3 years 8 months ago

If Cards offer 8yrs/200MM I’m pretty sure that gets the deal done.

All Day Réy
3 years 8 months ago

Well they offered 9yrs/198MM and that didnt get it done.

3 years 8 months ago

if pujols goes to the cubs then i definitely think fielder may end up as an oriole

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

Or why not Fielder ending up as a Marlin then?

Mikey Roederer
3 years 8 months ago

Well Its official..the Cubs really do have an offer out their..Carrie has said otherwise, which means it has to be true..

Albert will NOT sign without a NTC why the hell would he??

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

Would you want to be stuck with the Marlins when they trade away everything that isn’t nailed to the floor?

That being said, I agree – no way Pujols goes without no-trade protection.  He may not require a full NTC, but he’ll certainly want to decide which three or four teams are allowed to trade for him, and get protection from the rest.

Mikey Roederer
3 years 8 months ago

Silly question here, but when a player has 10-5 rights and hits free agency and signs with a new team, does he have to restart the clock? or does he get some sort of protection carried over?

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

He has to restart the 5, but not the 10 (obviously).

The Cardinals have no need to offer him No-Trade, but would anyhow, since it doesn’t matter.

If he signs with the Marlins, he has no protection for five years.

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 8 months ago

10 is the number of active years, 5 is the number of active years a player has to be with the same team.

Redbirds16
3 years 8 months ago

You raise an interesting point though, as this would appear to be yet another unintended consequence of the free agency system that actually encourages clubs to let their star players walk and sign another team’s star players (to go along with the soon-to-be eliminated FA ratings and compensation system).

If the Cards resign Pujols, they have no flexibility in trading him. If the Marlins sign Pujols, they can choose the degree of flexibility they desire in the contract. Seeing as how clubs always want more flexibility as far as their roster is concerned, this would afford the Marlins the opportunity offer more guaranteed $ because they can be flexible in trading him in the future. 

This might be something to revisit in a collective bargaining agreement. Maybe next time around, once a player opts for free agency the 5 of his 10/5 rights restarts, as he is no longer a part of the team from that point on. This might provide a little encouragement for players and teams to stick together a bit more.
I’m sure someone has thought of this little bit before, but it just now dawned on me. Thanks Mikey.

3 years 8 months ago

You could also look at it the other way and say that it provides an incentive to the player to stay with his original team.

I Want Rebates
3 years 8 months ago

If Albert lands in Miami, Gaby Sanchez to the Cubs for Garza, makes perfect sense…

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

Gaby Sanchez and which three top prospects?

baseball52
3 years 8 months ago

Gaby and Dominguez makes sense.

3 years 8 months ago

ew no thanks

3 years 8 months ago

Garza is only under team control this year and next year with rising cost.  Gaby and Dominguez are under team control for 5 years at an insanely low cost.  So them and maybe a low prospect or two is all your getting…and you should be happy with that.

baseball52
3 years 8 months ago

Not to mention they’re already either MLB established or MLB ready.

3 years 8 months ago

Sanchez with his sub 800 ops at age 28 playing 1B.  

I don’t really get the hype.

baseball52
3 years 8 months ago

A long term, cost controlled player who produces a climbing WAR, already at 3, should get hype.

Redbirds16
3 years 8 months ago

You’d almost have to beat the package that Chicago sent to Tampa. If Albert signs in Miami, the Marlins lose a lot of leverage in any Gaby Sanchez trade because teams know they have to get rid of him. Most clubs already have a starting 1B as well. 

baseball52
3 years 8 months ago

Kick in Michael Dunn and I think the deal is set.

Rangers4Life
3 years 8 months ago

The Rays seriosly need a 1st baseman and they have a surplus of SPs. They’d be the perfect partner for this deal.

3 years 8 months ago

I agree. If it is one of the SP’s not named Shields. I would guess a younger more affordable SP for him as the Fish have already taken on so much $ if they sign all three Pujols, Bell, Reyes. 

slider32
3 years 8 months ago

The Rays would be a good fit for Sanchez for Neiman.

slider32
3 years 8 months ago

True, but Sanchez is the type of player alot of teams are looking for, young and cheap player who can play. I think the Marlins will have no trouble trading him for a good pitcher.

3 years 8 months ago

I don’t necessarily see GArza as a good fit for Sanchez. W/ the Fish taking on so much salary in Pujols, Reyes, and Bell, I could see the Fish trading GAby for a SP that is younger and with a lower price tag attached to him. Garza has a relatively high price tag attached to him. Don’t see the Fish taking that on too.

101andCounting
3 years 8 months ago

Gaby, Dominguez, and Brad Hand, maybe, or another young, cost-controlled Marlins pitcher.

3 years 8 months ago

That would probably happen.  Also, the Rays may trade one of the plethora of their starting pitching for him as well.

Rangers4Life
3 years 8 months ago

Cubs had no intention of signing Pujols and was only going to give him a offer just to drive up his price for the Cards. With what tge Marlins are doing, I don’t think even that is necessary any linger.

diddykong
3 years 8 months ago

Given what this guy brings any team in merchandising, ticket sales, pr, and national recognition, I’m a little shocked that every team isn’t exploring how they can fit him into their club. Meanwhile, clubs salivate over mediocre yet “durable” fifth starters.

Rangers4Life
3 years 8 months ago

I think he’d be getting a lot more suitors if he would settle for a 6-7 year deal.

But I do agree with your point. Proven big bats like Fielder and Pujols almost never hit the market. On top of that, the usual big hands in New York, Boston, Chicago, and LA are not in the mix. If you think about it, this really might be a once-in-a-blue-moon chance for teams who want to make something happen.

3 years 8 months ago

merchandise is split evenly between all 30 teams…i dont understand why people dont get this concept…

Mikey Roederer
3 years 8 months ago

Yes MLB Merchandise is split between all 30 teams..we all get it, but what about all the stuff that’s sold outside of the stadiums, the stuff that isn’t MLB but everyone still owns..