A’s Talking Gio Gonzalez, Andrew Bailey

3:02pm: Rival executives say the Nationals have the best chance at obtaining Gonzalez and some believe Danny Espinosa or Ian Desmond could be in play, according to Heyman.

2:44pm: The Red Sox are trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal," tweets Rosenthal. The Rays are also in on Bailey and the Nationals are the team to beat on Gonzalez, Rosenthal reports.

2:20pm: The Red Sox are still discussing both Andrew Bailey and Gonzalez with the Athletics, tweets Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. The Red Sox "obviously won't get both," Cafardo writes.

2:14pm: It looks like the Nationals and Red Sox are the finalists for Gonzalez, tweets Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. Peter Gammons of MLB Network tweets that the Red Sox or Nationals will likely acquire Gonzalez today. Both Heyman and Gammons suggest the Nationals are the favorites to obtain the left-hander.

1:10pm: The A's are moving closer to a Gio Gonzalez trade, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (all links go to Twitter). The bidding is down to two teams, one of which is the Nationals. The Marlins and Red Sox may also be involved, but the Rangers are not. The Yankees and A's never built momentum toward a deal involving Gonzalez, Olney reports. The Mariners had discussed Gonzalez and it's not clear if they're involved in the current trade talks.

The Nationals are believed to be willing to include multiple top prospects for Gonzalez, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. Prospects such as Brad PeacockDestin HoodEury Perez and A.J. Cole could be available to the Athletics. Derek Norris is in the discussion, Olney writes.

Gonzalez is under team control through 2015 and has reached the 200-inning plateau in each of the past two seasons without posting an ERA above 3.23. However, no MLB pitcher has walked more opponents in the past two seasons than Gonzalez and he's about to get expensive through arbitration (projected 2012 salary of $4.2MM).


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300 Comments on "A’s Talking Gio Gonzalez, Andrew Bailey"


OaklandFan22
3 years 8 months ago

There is going to be a deal done today

grownice
3 years 8 months ago

What do you think they’ll get?

OaklandFan22
3 years 8 months ago

hopefully some good young position players

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

if they get a package including cole, norris, and peacock, you should be thrilled

OaklandFan22
3 years 8 months ago

peacock yes but norris he hit .210 last year

3 years 8 months ago

he had a boatload of walks though, plus AA is notoriously hard league to hit in, also might be a BABIP apparition. 

OaklandFan22
3 years 8 months ago

we got stassi in the minors though too

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

max stassi is derek norris’ little sister

BayBall510
3 years 8 months ago

If you can get Norris in a package with Peacock and Cole and maybe Hood, you do that. Stassi needs to prove he’s past shoulder issues, Norris definitely on faster track.

melonis_rex
3 years 8 months ago

He’s far from the majors and really not that good. Look at those K rates. 

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

and still had an OBP of .367 and a .237 ISO as a catcher in AA

if his BABIP had been even .280 instead of .250 his line would have been .250/.397/.476 with 20 HRs and 13 SBs

3 years 8 months ago

ahhh a .250 BABIP. That definitely isnt a true .210 BA. Clears it up. AA is really hard league to hit in too.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

norris has a walk-rate of 20% through high-A and AA. he makes kevin youkilis look impatient

i guarantee you beane is all over him

3 years 8 months ago

Agreed.

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

That’s insane

Sniderlover
3 years 8 months ago

Even if he manages a low batting average throughout his major league career, he will be extremely productive with that combination of power + walks of his. I don’t know about his defense but he throws out a high percentage of runners.

Maybe he could be like Carlos Santana.

EDIT: I wouldn’t trade him if I were the Nationals even with Ramos there. I think they will regret it.

OaklandFan22
3 years 8 months ago

i’d be happy with hood perez peacock and cole

WolandJR
3 years 8 months ago

Nationals fans wouldn’t be happy with that deal

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 8 months ago

some baseball players.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

overpay

grownice
3 years 8 months ago

 You had me at some

chico65
3 years 8 months ago

For the love of god someone take out Cherrington now, before he includes Wally in the package too

sdsny
3 years 8 months ago

Wait!!!  I don’t see any mention of Mystery Team!

hallwagner
3 years 8 months ago

nats, calling it

3 years 8 months ago

I still believe Gaby Sanchez, Matt Dominguez, and either Alex Sanabia/Brad Hand should get this trade done.

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

Good luck with that.

3 years 8 months ago

What’s the issue with that?

Gaby is an all star and +glove and average to above average bat with 4 years of team control and no arb for 2 years.

Dominguez is minimally gold glove defense, a mid 200 hitter, and cheap for many more years and under team control.

Hand and Sanabia have proven to be able to pitch at the big league level, are young, and also are cheap for years to come.

Oh wait, you want Stanton for Gio…

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

Sure, they’re all cheap, but none of those guys are anything special.

Gio’s not worth a crazy package, but definitely something better than that.

3 years 8 months ago

What would get the trade done from the Marlins then IYO?

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

I don’t know enough about the Marlins system, but a first baseman who would probably put up a .750 OPS in Oakland, a guy who won’t hit enough to be a starting third baseman, and a back of the rotation starter isn’t going to do it.

elscorcho the marlin
3 years 8 months ago

Oakland wanted a third baseman and outfield help. Dominguez is a really good piece.

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

I would love Dominguez if it was 2008, but 2009 and 2010 weren’t so great for him and the injuries and horrible performance in 2011 killed his stock. 

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

he just can’t hit at all. great glove, but i think oaktown has had enough of that crap

PileOfSandwich
3 years 8 months ago

Proven to pitch in the NL East isn’t really proven to pitch.

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

Regardless of the division, 14 (Sanabia) and 12 (Hand) starts isn’t really proven.

3 years 8 months ago

Hey did you ever actually see the “Stanton for Gio” rumor? Its entirely unfounded. Until Billy confirms it, it was all a bunch of BS.

elscorcho the marlin
3 years 8 months ago

Sampson confirmed it on a local radio show in miami

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

For Washington you mean? Get a deal done for Washington.

3 years 8 months ago

If you want to be overpaid for Gio, yes Washington is your best suitor.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

… and that’s what Oakland wants. Other than Gabby Sanchez none of those players you listed are that desirable of a return.

3 years 8 months ago

Yes they want Stanton, that makes sense.  While i’m at it, let me take the opposite approach by offering Chris Volstad straight up for Gio.

3 years 8 months ago

They want Stanton for the king of walks

hallwagner
3 years 8 months ago

which is exactly why the nats will land him

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

why would anyone ever not want to be overpaid?

3 years 8 months ago

Look at Sandy, Sabean wanted Beltran really bad for a repeat and look what happened he way overpaid and the Mets got a BC prospect

3 years 8 months ago

Rizzo may overpay for him much like he did to sign Werth.Id get a good laugh if Bryce Harpers name comes up in the trade rumors.
Peacock,Norris,Rendon(may need him to get the deal done)

cody2818
3 years 8 months ago

As a Marlins fan I would love this, but Gaby isn’t good enough to be the center piece. The Marlins would have to give up LoMo or Yelich to start with.

3 years 8 months ago

In Beanes case they would have to start with Stanton. Lo Mo I guess isnt good enough XD

OaklandFan22
3 years 8 months ago

i would actually take that over what washington is offering

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 8 months ago

and you would be sad in the future when peacock is a #2 and one of the outfielders you would get is a star.

3 years 8 months ago

Peacock had one great season and your calling him a #2 , Gorski had a great season for the Mets and we are not goin #2 . Peacock has decent stuff hes not going to overpower anyone in baseball.

melonis_rex
3 years 8 months ago

The A’s aren’t going to be good for a while and have eighty bazillion mediocre 1B/LF/DH prospects. Why would they want Gaby, who’s only team controlled for a year longer than Gio himself? 

PileOfSandwich
3 years 8 months ago

Went to the whole series the A’s played against the Marlins last year. Gaby, like so many others, can’t hit there and would suddenly become a scrub. He was crushing the ball and it was petering out to only mid outfield. 

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

i will fire you right now ben cherington i swear to god. stay away

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

I think it’s going to be the Nats, but who would Boston have to offer that they would want? Middlebrooks? Bogaerts?

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

are you trying to make me throw up

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

No that would be Cherington’s job.

3 years 8 months ago

If its Middlebrooks and Bogarets the A’s will be back and contending in less than 3 years.

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

I’m as high on them as the next guy, but no, those two wouldn’t make the A’s contenders unless everything else breaks right for them.

3 years 8 months ago

those two are pretty sure bets to be quality big leaguers at 3B/SS. 

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

Maybe so, but the Athletics have a lot more problems than just 3B and SS. The first thing the A’s need to do is completely change their pitching philosophy, I can’t think of a team that relies on their ballpark (One they’re trying to get out of no less) like a crutch so heavily on pitching while completely ignoring it for batting. The huge disparity between their pitching’s numbers in Oakland versus on the road is staggering. The MLB average split was a home ERA of 3.82, road 4.07. The A’s pitching split was 3.18 home, 4.26 road, as a result the A’s were on of the MLB’s worst road teams.

In short, they focus too much on playing to the advantages of their park while ignoring their performance away from it. At home their record was actually decent, above .500 and close to playoff contenders like the Cardinals, Red Sox and Angels.

It seems like their development team is on a completely different page from their front office. Their front office preaches plate discipline and the value walks provide an offense, while their development side of things produces pitchers with awful control and can’t seem to teach their batters how to draw a walk to save their lives.

There is a lot to fix before the A’s are a competent team and it stretches much further than simply 3B/SS, they need to fix their entire development system.

3 years 8 months ago

I think the ERA splits have to do with how unbelievably terrible the defense was last year compared with how awesome it was in 2010. Willingham was so terrible in LF, and the entire INF was really bad too. The pitching is fine otherwise, just hurt all the time. Full years from Anderson & Braden and last year wouldnt have been as crummy.

I think the only mistake they made was in 2009 when they pulled a KW (too soon?) and tried to contend while rebuilding by trading for Holliday. Put Cargo in CF and then get prospects for Street and the A’s are in much better shape. They were a good team in 2010 that wasnt far off because they preached defense above all else, but they didnt hit any HR’s and they stupidly focussed on that for 2011 and it made things worse.

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

“I think the ERA splits have to do with how unbelievably terrible the defense was last year compared with how awesome it was in 2010″

That doesn’t make any sense. Was their defense good at home and then inept on the road? Moot point anyway, their split in 2010 was pretty much equally as bad, 3.04 versus 4.15. 2009 was 3.88 versus 4.71. They’re pretty much that way year in, year out.

3 years 8 months ago

Interesting. It is indeed pretty hard to score runs at the Coliseum.  

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

Which hides the fact that the A’s aren’t as good as developing pitching as their numbers would indicate. On a related note, we’re glad to be rid of Curt Young. God, did I misread that move.

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

I’d still bet on the Rangers and Angels for several years to come

melonis_rex
3 years 8 months ago

I know nothing about Bogarets, but yes plz to Middlebrooks.

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

Middlebrooks is thought of as the better prospect because he’s basically major league ready, but Bogaerts’ ceiling is 10x higher than Middlebrooks’.  Bogaerts has Hanley potential (minus the stolen bases).

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

BA ranked Bogaerts as our second best prospect. He was signed as an IFA in 2009 and he was relatively off the radar previously, but he exploded for some big power for a SS last year. He’s honestly projected as a 3B down the line, though.

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, the most optimistic projection for him staying at SS that I’ve ever read gave him a 35% chance to stick at SS.

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, the most optimistic projection for him staying at SS that I’ve ever read gave him a 35% chance to stick at SS.

renegadeisback
3 years 8 months ago

Lol what? I think Boston Red Sox fans are the absolute WORST at over-rating their average prospects.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

which fans are the worst at identifying the teams other commenters are fans of

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

SSS, but judging by his activity log, looks like Blue Jays.

3 years 8 months ago

Used to be the Yankees and Mets, Yankees got actually good ones, and after the Johan trade, no one gave a crap about Mets prospects ever again.

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

SSS, but judging by his activity log, looks like Blue Jays.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

which fans are the worst at identifying the teams other commenters are fans of

CAXCAN06
3 years 8 months ago

No way the A’s will be able to compete by acquiring those 2 guys…I’ll much rather get the players the Nats are offering if it’s true…Imagine a rotation in 2013 of Anderson,peacock,parker,cole and sonny….Oh boy this will be one of tue best rotations we’ve ever had…

3 years 8 months ago

Sonny is so sick and will probably be in the rotation on opening day next year. He did have the “most big league ready” tag in last years draft. 

Snoochies8
3 years 8 months ago

if the a’s want to keep him in the rotation, i think he might get a little more seasoning in AAA, maybe a few starts. He looks like he’ll be a beast though

Snoochies8
3 years 8 months ago

if the a’s want to keep him in the rotation, i think he might get a little more seasoning in AAA, maybe a few starts. He looks like he’ll be a beast though

3 years 8 months ago

I wonder who Boston would pucker up for both Bailey and Gonzalez. Their Future is toast

nm344
3 years 8 months ago

Gonzalez has to be the most overrated trade target in a long time.

Tigerfan93
3 years 8 months ago

What about Ubaldo this past season?

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 8 months ago

Ubaldo definitely.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

I think Gio’s being overrated more than Ubaldo (and I love Gio). Ubaldo was coming off a season that he started off 15-1 with a sub 2 ERA and a top 3 Cy Young finish. Gio hasn’t accomplished anything like that yet.

3 years 8 months ago

Ubaldo was wayyyy overrated Indians made a bad trade. But I think Gio is gonna be good in the next couple of years

3 years 8 months ago

perfect assessment 

PileOfSandwich
3 years 8 months ago

Or maybe it’s just people overrating unproven prospects?

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Overrating unproven prospects is what got the Phillies the 2008 Championship. (Howard was almost traded for Barry Zito, Utley was rumored to be on the block).

You just have to overrate the right guys, I do agree though, there’s some serious overvaluing going on recently. Ever since Texas made it to the World Series, people have been afraid of getting ripped off like Atlanta did. (only in hindsight were they truly ripped off though).

MarinersFan24
3 years 8 months ago

Seems like it.

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

I can’t wait until the A’s are good again.

I’m thinking maybe 2023…

melonis_rex
3 years 8 months ago

Once they move. It just needs to happen. 

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

And the part about it actually happening is the part I’m worried about.

OaklandFan22
3 years 8 months ago

2015

3 years 8 months ago

remember when we used to say 2011?

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

Yep.

And Gio, Cahill and Anderson were going to be the new Big Three.

Which guys are going to be the Big Three for 2015?
Parker, Gray and …?

Snoochies8
3 years 8 months ago

peacock if he goes to the nats…no idea if he goes to the red sox, and i’m still not sure who the rays would give for bailey…

corey23
3 years 8 months ago

Anderson unless he gets traded lolz :(

3 years 8 months ago

your too kind 2056

dc21892
3 years 8 months ago

I’d love to see Boston do something. I’m not saying go overpay for a SP in a trade, but if it calls for it, and he’s the guy… do it.

lefty177
3 years 8 months ago

i say overpay for the closer of that same team honestly

bust0ff
3 years 8 months ago

Closer = overrated
Never overpay for a closer

dc21892
3 years 8 months ago

If Gio is coming along also, I wouldn’t mind them giving up better prospects. Gio/Bard fill the rest of the rotation and Bailey transitions into the closer with Melancon setting up, possibly with Jenks/Aceves. I only see them getting one if any, but we’ll see. This can play out in many different ways for Boston.

Tko11
Tko11
3 years 8 months ago

No Gio Gonzalez is not the guy…just sign Oswalt on a one year deal instead.   

dc21892
3 years 8 months ago

Okay, I respect your opinion, but I was referring to managements thoughts. So in a sense, it was rhetorical.

Cosmo3
3 years 8 months ago

I’d say the other team in on Gio is Mystery Team, but how much pitching depth do they need? 

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 8 months ago

What prospects do the Mystery Team have?

Cosmo3
3 years 8 months ago

You would know better than me, you’re their GM

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

Samuelsonberg, Toutingson, Goop, Pragg, Daglan.

They’ve got some studs.

Morley C
3 years 8 months ago

Those all sound like Martian names.

3 years 8 months ago

its probably Toronto they lost out on Darvish

3 years 8 months ago

After they trade Gio, they should change from the “A’s” to the “C-‘s”.

sdsny
3 years 8 months ago

With the subtraction of both Cahill AND Gio Gonzalez?  You might be grading them a bit too high…

melonis_rex
3 years 8 months ago

Cahill and Gio are not aces. If Cahill and Gio were actual aces (and Anderson, who is a legit ace, could stay healthy), the A’s would be in a much better position right now. 

Every A’s fan should know that high-BB pitchers thrive in Oaktown. 

3 years 8 months ago

They really have no shot whatsoever for the next 2-3 years, as a fan, its sucked and been frustrating since 2007 and will suck more….sigh. Like life, baseball is so frustrating.

PileOfSandwich
3 years 8 months ago

or something tss tss…………..

WolandJR
3 years 8 months ago

I hope that the Nats can settle on a package of something like Norris, Millone, Hood and maybe Rosenbaum/Perez. I really want the Nats to keep Cole and Peacock, but one or the other will probably have to go–especially if the A’s aren’t sold on Norris as the centerpiece of the deal.

miamiroc
3 years 8 months ago

This just seems like a move being made out of desperation. Rizzo would have been much better served overpaying for Buehrle than gutting their farm system of their top 4 prospects (Harper is more of an inevitable than a prospect) for Gio, the left-handed equivalent of Anibal Sanchez (Gio = 1 WAR Upgrade over Sanchez). Billy Beane clearly wins in this trade scenario.

LUWahooNatFan
3 years 8 months ago

The Nationals are by no means ‘gutting’ their farm system. Worst case scenario, the Nationals trade Peacock, Cole, Norris, and Hood.. Nationals still have Meyer, Purke, Solis, Ray, Detwiler, and Milone in the system to go along with a rotation headed by Strasburg, Gio, and Zimm.. Losing Hood would suck, but the Nationals still have some nice outfield prospects with Harper, Goodwin, and Taylor. I’m not exactly sold on Norris, and I honestly believe Ramos is the catcher of the future as long as he doesn’t get injured. 

Nationals clearly win in this trade.

Joevolsman
3 years 8 months ago

They cant trade their top 4 prospects and they cant gut their system with one deal.

Rangersfan32
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah I don’t understand the infatuation with Gonzalez. Sure he’s young and has some good stuff, but he walks everybody and their mother and his numbers definitely benefit from pitching in A’s Stadium all year long. I always cringed seeing Gio to Texas trade rumors, especially when they involved Perez, Profar and Olt. I’ve seen Gio pitch I Texas recently and it’s not too pretty.

Joevolsman
3 years 8 months ago

Hood is going to be great. Hopefully the Nats are able to hang on to him. Norris/Peacock/Cole/Bardozzi

hallwagner
3 years 8 months ago

rotation of strasburg, gonzalez, zimmermann, wang, and lannan. batting order of
1. ian desmond
2. jayson werth
3. ryan zimmerman
4. prince fielder
5. michael morse
6. bryce harper
7. danny espinosa
8. wilson ramos

bench of mark derosa, mike cameron, chris marrero, and steve lombardozzi

bullpen: drew storen, tyler clippard, henry rodriguez, sean burnett, and ryan mattheus.

reallly seems like a team not to be f-ed with. do it rizzo

hallwagner
3 years 8 months ago

maybe switch the batting order around a bit, but whatever

OaklandFan22
3 years 8 months ago

that would be pretty legit if you guys got fielder

hallwagner
3 years 8 months ago

what i’m hoping for 😛

hallwagner
3 years 8 months ago

even with laroche instead of fielder it aint too shabby

3 years 8 months ago

That’s a damn good team. 

3 years 8 months ago

As a Marlins fan i must say if this comes true there will be alot of competitive baseball in the NL east. (minus the mets, sorry guys)

melonis_rex
3 years 8 months ago

Even without Prince, that team’s a wild card contender once the wild card expands. 

setupunchtag
3 years 8 months ago

I might switch a couple of guys around in the line-up so the LHers aren’t stacked together, but that’s very good team. And they also have Rendon, who shouldn’t be far away. It helped to have had the good fortune to really suck when once-in-a-generation-talents Strasburg and Harper came along, but the rest of the team looks really solid to me. NL East is looking really tough; Philly, the Braves, the Nats and Marlins all look to be pretty good. 

LUWahooNatFan
3 years 8 months ago

Strasburg, Gio, Zimmerman, Wang, Lannan

1. Cespedes CF
2. Werth RF
3. Zimmerman 3B
4. Morse LF
5. LaRoche 1B
6. Ramos C
7. Espinosa 2B
8. Desmond SS

Bench: DeRosa, Cameron, Marrero, Lombardozzi, Dobbs

Closer: Storen
Set up: Clippard
MR: H-Rod, Burnett, Mattheus
LR: Detwiler, Stammen

kräftig. entschieden
3 years 8 months ago

Giving Ian Desmond 600-700 ABs a year is a bad idea.

Joevolsman
3 years 8 months ago

Of the players that are in consideration – Hood and Cole are the guys I hope dont get moved. Peacock/Norris/Eury/Bardozzi.

3 years 8 months ago

YANKEES ARE REALLY SLEEPING THIS OFF SEASON

melonis_rex
3 years 8 months ago

Gio in Yankee Stadium is a disaster in the making. 

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

They won 97 games last year. While it’s obvious they need starting pitching, really they’re probably better off just using their kids mid season.

There isn’t a ton of areas they can improve on.

MarinersFan24
3 years 8 months ago

Only if its a three team deal or something. The A’s are asking a ton for GG and we can’t afford to make a trade like this. M’s don’t end need him really, just need a BOR starter.

Steven Resnick
3 years 8 months ago

None of the prospects that the Nationals offered are worth anything, pretty much most of them are crap players. Never going to happen! 

LUWahooNatFan
3 years 8 months ago

You clearly know nothing about Cole, Peacock, Norris, or Hood

Joevolsman
3 years 8 months ago

The Nats are foolish not to go after Crisp. They need a CF and leadoff guy. He would be much better than trading for a guy like BJ Upton. Rizzo falls in love with names at times. Gio would be a great addition, the Nationals 2011 draft ensured that no deal would drain the farm completely. The Nats system is loaded.

DickHarden
3 years 8 months ago

A leadoff guy with a .314 obp?

LUWahooNatFan
3 years 8 months ago

I would be extremely happy if the Nationals can land Gio, and even happier if Cole and Peacock aren’t traded.