East Links: Guthrie, Jays, Marlins, Braves, Prado

Some links from baseball's two east divisions…

  • The Orioles are expected to be more active on the trade market than in free agency, writes MLB.com's Britt Ghiroli. Jeremy Guthrie has been their most actively shopped player, and several teams have expressed interest. Baltimore would almost certainly want pitching in return.
  • Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos told Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca that he's likely to exhaust all trade options for pitching help before diving into free agency. A second baseman is also on the agenda, and the team would like to add a frontline starting pitcher if possible.
  • Earlier today we heard that the Marlins' reluctance to include a no-trade clause is an obstacle as they try to sign Mark Buehrle, but president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest told Joe Capozzi of The Palm Beach Post that he isn't worried about the team's policy hurting their ability to sign premium free agents.
  • "I’ve actively shopped players this fall that I haven’t mentioned their names," said Braves GM Frank Wren to Dave O'Brien of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Twitter links). He was referring to players that are reportedly on the market, but have not actually been discussed with other teams.
  • "Martin Prado is a solid player and a part of our team for almost five years. We’re not out looking to trade good players," added Wren according to O'Brien (on Twitter). Prado has been a popular name on the trade rumor circuit this offseason.


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113 Comments on "East Links: Guthrie, Jays, Marlins, Braves, Prado"


Howard
3 years 9 months ago

there you go.. prado staying put. jurrjens maybe not..

BaseballLogic_Braves
3 years 9 months ago

I just hope Hanson can stay healthy. He is going to be pure beast mode. If that can happen, sure.

NYBravosFan10
3 years 9 months ago

with Tim Hudson’s back surgery I wouldn’t bet on it.

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

He should be ready by spring training according to reports .

NYBravosFan10
3 years 9 months ago

he’s getting up there in age though and surgeries on someone his age is his line of work are never guarentees. It would probably be better to be safe than sorry, no?

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

I think you could still have him not ready and still trade Jurrjens and put out a rotation that will still produce .

Hanson
Beachy
Minor
Medlen
Teheran

rundmc1981
3 years 9 months ago

I’d think Delgado would get more of a hold on a starting spot in that scenario than Medlen, if only to ease Medlen back. I’ve been more impressed with Delgado than Minor in limited playing time.

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

The Braves and the Rays are loaded with young pitching!

csg
3 years 9 months ago

Wren didnt say he wouldnt trade Prado.  If he can upgrade LF and trade Prado, he will.

williswinning
3 years 9 months ago

Tigers need Prado.  Just no pitching prospects gom back your way, we know how that ends up.

NYBravosFan10
3 years 9 months ago

Luckily for you we don’t need them

suhiscrazierthanyou
3 years 9 months ago

even with a deep system of pitchers, that’s a silly comment. they are assets… 

tycobb
3 years 9 months ago

I’d like to see a blockbuster which would send Prado and Heyward to Detroit. I’m not sure what that would include? I’m guess no arms would be going Atlanta’s way.

Brv Rocks
3 years 9 months ago

No Heyward is going the Tigers way either.  Forget about it!!

rundmc1981
3 years 9 months ago

ATL trading Heyward is less likely then when he came up and was the top hitting prospect in baseball because we’re not going to sell low on a cheap All-Star that will be one of the faces of the franchise.

tomymogo
3 years 9 months ago

Just send Peralta and a low level prospect

3 years 9 months ago

He said Prado was ‘solid’. He’s not trading good players. Solid players are free game.

bravessfan2013
3 years 9 months ago

JURRJENS WONT GO ANYWHERE FOR ANYONE LESS THAN  A BJ UPTON STEVEN DREW OR IAN DESMOND TYPE PLAYER AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK

bravessfan2013
3 years 9 months ago

JURRJENS WONT GO ANYWHERE FOR LESS THAN A BJ UPTON IAN DESMOND OR JUSTIN UPTON OR TIM WHEELER OR CHARLIE BLACKMON TYPE PLAYER AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK AND BANK ON IT

NYBravosFan10
3 years 9 months ago

wow, two posts with the Braves in one night…pinch me I must be dreaming

Howard
3 years 9 months ago

Prado to the Jays for Travis Snider & Mark Teahan

3 years 9 months ago

Change snider to Thames and you have a deal

3 years 9 months ago

No, I don’t think you do actually.

Brv Rocks
3 years 9 months ago

Change Snider to Anthony Gose and you have a deal.

3 years 9 months ago

Prado is barely worth Thames yet alone gose

csg
3 years 9 months ago

Prado plays 1b, 2b, 3b, and LF.  He was worth 7.6War in 2009/2010 alone, and 10WAR since 2006.  Thames is a platoon player and from 2002-2011 he’s been worth a total of 2.8WAR.  So yeah, you are spot on.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

hahahahaha

you lost all credibility when you said from 2002-2011 he’s been worth a total of 2.8 WAR

in 2002 he was 16 years old.. can’t believe he wasn’t puting up 4 WAR seasons in the bigs!!!!

NYBravosFan10
3 years 9 months ago

not that it would ever happen but doesn’t teahan for teheran look cool when written out?

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

Only on paper , lol .

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

 I dont think either team does that..

Braves wont want to take on teahan’s salary, Jays wont want to trade Snider at his lowest value.

Brv Rocks
3 years 9 months ago

Blech!!  No thanks!!

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

“I’ve actively shopped players this fall that I haven’t mentioned their names,”

Umm…..what is that suppose to mean ? Is that suppose to mean that there are some players being shopped around that we haven’t heard of yet . Is another Dan Uggla like deal in the works ?

BVHjays
3 years 9 months ago

I think he’s saying he’s shopped players to other GMs without even mentioning their names. “I have a Mystery Box available. It could be Heyward. It could be Teheran. It could be Ross. All it will cost you to find out is your best prospect.”

Rick
3 years 9 months ago

mlbtr totally screwed up with the interpretation of the tweet. 

“What #Braves GM Wren was saying is that there are some players he’s reportedly shopped whom he actually hasn’t even mentioned to teams.”

3 years 9 months ago

this

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

Yeah , thats a little easier to understand . So I wonder who is being shopped and who Wren is asking about . I’d like to make a trade with a team like the Rangers (Cruz) , Orioles (A. Jones) , or Rays (Upton) .

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

If braves fans hated escobar, I dont see how Upton would be a good fit for that team..

Jones and Cruz would take top prospects.

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

We were linked to Upton last year . And prospects are something that we have a few of .

Brad426
3 years 9 months ago

In fairness, I’m not sure it was so much Braves fans that hated Yunel as it was Bobby Cox.

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

Sounds like he is at least keeping an open mind on doing what he can to improve the team . Even if it means giving up a top prospect and or someone already on the ballclub who is already MLB ready . I just wonder who HE has asked about .

John Adams
3 years 9 months ago

What is Frank Wren up too?  There has been more “rumors” on Prado then Prince Fielder for gods sake.  Now he is trying to say Prado is not been shopped.  What other players could he be putting out there? Other than Prado and JJ ofcourse.

rick staley
3 years 9 months ago

What if he sees something in Toronto (Jose Bautista) or Pittsburgh (Andrew McCutchen) that he feels is worth sending the likes of JJ, Prado, Delgado or Minor, and Lipka for???

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

There’s also Venters , Medlen , O’Flaherty , Hanson . The only players who are probably untouchable at this point would probably be Teheran , Hudson , Beachy , Chipper , McCann , Freeman , Uggla , Heyward(arguably) , and maybe Vizcaino .

NYBravosFan10
3 years 9 months ago

well chipper can’t be traded without his permission (ten and five rights) and I think Huddy has them too

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

They do .

Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 9 months ago

I’d switch Vizcaino out with Hanson. I can’t imagine us giving up on him so early in his career.

mozelpuffski
3 years 9 months ago

haha jose haha btw thx for escobar

suhiscrazierthanyou
3 years 9 months ago

interesting, but i’m not sure JJ can pitch as successfully in the AL East…

3 years 9 months ago

JJ can’t pitch in the AL East yet Freddy Garcia & Bartolo Colon can???

suhiscrazierthanyou
3 years 9 months ago

i wrote as successfully, not that he can’t pitch… 
point is moot anyways, he wouldn’t be involved in any deal for bautista anyways. 

John Adams
3 years 9 months ago

Bautista? Ya right… but I could see the Toronto Blue Jays being a trade partner for the Braves. Wren said he liked GM’ and front offices that kept it quiet, and the Blue Jays do just that.  They have young outfield pieces that could fill the Braves needs to an extent. But Thames and Snyder are left handed.  As for Pittsburgh I have no clue. 

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

Not saying this as a proposal , but a package of Jair Jurrjens , Teheran , and Vizcaino wouldn’t get Bautista ?

John Adams
3 years 9 months ago

Not Teheran.  Could be the best pitcher in baseball in a few years. TOO MUCH upside to let him go.  But you are right a few top notch prospects might do it.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

the only thing more silly then the trade proposal is the fact that you think its too much to give up for jose freaking bautista..

Prospects are what they are, prospects, many flame out.. Teheran might end up being very good, or he might not be. It would be absolutely ridiculous to think he’d be untouchable and that Heyward wouldn’t be going the jays way.

Triple Hawpes Brewed
3 years 9 months ago

Teheran is practically untouchable. Stop the nonsense.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

more untouchable then Jose Bautista?

and I’m the mad one..

right.

Triple Hawpes Brewed
3 years 9 months ago

I never said that he wasn’t, you’re attempting to put words in my mouth.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

you called my post about Teheran having to be involved for to land Bautista nonsense.

What other logical explanation would you expect me to come to?

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

I actually was the one who brought Teheran into the conversation . But I clearly stated that it was not a trade proposal . It was just a question to prove that Bautista could be had for the right package .

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

For the right package any player is available.

3 years 9 months ago

then vs. than

sooooooooooooooooo hard to do.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

its late. sue me 

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

Neither are untouchable , no more one than the other . It would just take the right return  .

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

I clearly stated that it was not a trade proposal . I was just making a point that Bautista could be had for the right price .

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

replace JJ with Hanson and change Vizcaino for Heyward, and maybe 

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

Am I missing something ? Bautista for 2 former AS players and a top 5 prospect . Bautista is a great player . But he is not worth that much . And what I mean by that is just not that package .

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

He’s actually worth more than that..

and I’m not being a jays homer or anything, just going based on past trades and the fact that jose has 2 unreal seasons back to back and still has 4 years left on a very affordable contract

this is all moot though because he wont be traded so really, agree to disagree, doesn’t matter

Brv Rocks
3 years 9 months ago

I’m a Braves fan and I also think Bautista is worth all that.  However, I don’t think that trade ever happens anyway.  Wren wouldn’t give up that much for one player and Bautista is as untouchable as possible.

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

Thats kinda what I meant . He might be worth that kind of package to someone else , just not the Braves .

nictonjr
3 years 9 months ago

 The Braves are the one team that should be willing to give up that much for Bautista.  Who wins the WS if the trade was made one year ago??  Maybe not the Braves, but 100% surely not the Cardinals.  The Braves easily win the WC.

The Braves opening day starters rWAR: 12.8   Bautista: 8.5

rundmc1981
3 years 9 months ago

Yes, he actually is. Look at the man’s WAR for the past 2 seasons. He’s one of the most valuable players to his team in MLB. In ’10 he had an offensive WAR of 6.9 and in ’11 it was an astounding 8.1! In 2011, his total WAR was an 8.5 – MVP Justin Verlander also had an 8.5 – just to give you an idea. 

With all due respect to Jurrjens, Teheran, and Vizcaino, it’ll be years before they’ll be that productive, if ever for JJ or Vizcaino (if left pitching as a RP). Jurrjens in his AS season still only had a 3.8 WAR rating in ’11.

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

He may be worth it . I should have worded it differently . Wren won’t give up that much for him .

rundmc1981
3 years 9 months ago

No. Plain and simple. Bautista’s extension is the feather in Alex Anthropolous’ hat. It was a brilliant move that after 2 years looks like a deal for TOR. As much as I like that core group of players, I think Bautista, with that contract, is one of the few untouchables in the league. I’d just might say he’s the Felix Hernandez of hitters, in terms of output for their relative contracts.

Triple Hawpes Brewed
3 years 9 months ago

“Geoff Baker of The Seattle Times wonders if the Darren Ford signing clears the way for the Mariners to trade some of the outfielders on their 40-man roster, like Trayvon Robinson, Michael Saunders, or Franklin Gutierrez.”

Trayvon Robinson + B prospect to the Braves for Prado and Jurrjens. Add/subtract as necessary to even it out.

John Adams
3 years 9 months ago

Isn’t Trayvon Robinson pretty weak offensively?

Triple Hawpes Brewed
3 years 9 months ago

Robinson, who has cranked 26 homers and has driven in 71 runs this season at triple-A, was the fourth-best prospect in the Los Angeles organization, according to Baseball Prospectus. In 2010 at double-A, Robinson stole 38 bases, hit .300 and drove in 57 runs. In 2009, he hit 17 homers, drove in 64, hit .300 and stole 47 bases.

AAA (2011) 428 AB .289/.374/.552

John Adams
3 years 9 months ago

Lol I guess not and he seems really solid in the outfield. 

Triple Hawpes Brewed
3 years 9 months ago

Yeah not sure what all this is about, I clearly said add/subtract as necessary. If anything people seem to be undervaluing Robinson. Jump on him before someone else does, I say.

3 years 9 months ago

yeah, the PCL is where i want to get my offensive stats.  there are no park factors at all there.

sheesh.  T. Robinson + a propsect is NOT getting Prado + JJ.  Stop.  Just stop.

Triple Hawpes Brewed
3 years 9 months ago

Sigh…another simpleton.

ARodinyourPujols
3 years 9 months ago

You mean add a lot to what Seattle would give away and subtract a lot from what Atlanta would give away, right?

Triple Hawpes Brewed
3 years 9 months ago

I don’t know the M’s farm system that well which is why I added the last bit. Make no mistake I’m a Braves fan, and want to win that trade lol! I think Robinson would be a good fit, a RH left fielder with pop and upside.

ARodinyourPujols
3 years 9 months ago

You are a Braves fan and you proposed that?

Triple Hawpes Brewed
3 years 9 months ago

You must be dyslexic. Slowly read the last sentence of my post. Then read it once again, even slower.

ARodinyourPujols
3 years 9 months ago

You said, “Trayvon Robinson + B prospect to the Braves for Prado and Jurrjens. Add/subtract as necessary to even it out.” So that means you, as a Braves fan, would trade Jurrjens and Prado for Robinson and a B prospect? This is one of the few times a fan is undervaluing his own players.  Jurrjens would fetch more than that on his own and Prado is going to get a useful piece too. I think Robinson would be a great fit for the Braves but it wouldn’t take as much as that to get him. 

Triple Hawpes Brewed
3 years 9 months ago

“So that means you, as a Braves fan, would trade Jurrjens and Prado for Robinson and a B prospect”

*FACEPALM*

Let’s try this again. Take the sentence above. Now combine it with “add/subtract as necessary to even it out.”

ARodinyourPujols
3 years 9 months ago

We already went over this, that is a terrible starting point. It wouldn’t be a B prospect it would be a major league ready young guy and then another prospect on top of that to get started. Go facepalm yourself with a chair and get some sense. Next time you propose a trade begin with a good starting point and go from there. The proposition you gave would need so much adding and subtracting it isn’t worth while to propose it in the first place.

Triple Hawpes Brewed
3 years 9 months ago

Haha what angry trash you are! You can subtract Jurrjens and end up with Prado for Robinson and a B prospect. Or you can add pieces of the M’s farm that I’m not familiar with. You drop out of remedial math?

ARodinyourPujols
3 years 9 months ago

Then why propose a stupid trade in the first place that has so many variables that would have to be exercised for it to come true? Simply saying that Jurrjens and Prado could fit in Seattle and Robinson would be a good fit in Atlanta would be a lot clearer for what you are trying to accomplish rather than proposing a ridiculous deal and having people misinterpret your intentions. 

Triple Hawpes Brewed
3 years 9 months ago

You’re right. I’ll make it a point to phrase my future posts in the manner that suits you best.

rsanchez1
3 years 9 months ago

I just wantedto put anotherreply here.

3 years 9 months ago

again…Robinson is NOT a good offensive player.  PCL offensive stats are ridiculous to quote due to park factors.

HTF
3 years 9 months ago

Robinson is a good fit. He’s a Frank Wren type guy. 

I’d do Prado for Robinson and a spect. 

ARodinyourPujols
3 years 9 months ago

What about this? Adam Lind and Mark Teahen for Felix Hernandez and Michael Pineda, add/subtract as necessary. See how dumb proposing trades like this is?

HTF
3 years 9 months ago

Wren is just trying to get the public perspective of Prado back to him being a good player instead of a player on the block. 

I’d bet money on him being traded this offseason. Prado has to be pretty mad at the organization. First we move him to LF after an All-Star season now he’s in every trade rumor imaginable. 

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

I feel for the guy . He is a great team player , good ball player . I can only imagine whats going through his mind right now .

Eric
3 years 9 months ago

Guthrie is the only really realiable pitcher on the staff.

We cant get rid of him.

rick staley
3 years 9 months ago

  Prado’s bat doesn’t fit as a light power hitting (appx. 15 HR’s per yr.) corner OF in 2012 or a 3B in 2013. Uggla’s contract and 30 dingers per yr. has pushed Martin into the available for trade position. Also, although I love him as a Brave, his low OBP does not fit either as a corner keystone…imho. 

   Yes. Prado is an awesome piece, but his trade value is high now because of the Rockies, Tigers, and Jays needing what he can provide outside Atlanta…2B/3B steadiness, lead-off or 2-hole spots in the order…just not 3 thru 6 spots because that’s where corner cogs should thrive. 

   Prado, Hicks and Redmond for Smith and Arenado of the Rockies??

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

Although as Braves fans might think that your proposal might be somewhat fair , Rockies fans think way too much of Arenado . O’Dowd seems to have rubbed off on most of them I guess .

tomymogo
3 years 9 months ago

I like Tim Wheeler…….Don’t get why they wouldn’t deal considering the amount of OF in their system

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

Who knows . If I was Wren , I would blow O’Dowd off for a while until he was ready to actually talk .

Brv Rocks
3 years 9 months ago

Since the Braves have a power hitting 2B they don’t particularly need a power hitting LF.  It all balances out in the end.  What they need are for Heyward to return to his rookie year stats, Prado to stay healthy and rebound from last season, and Uggla to not go into the tank for the first 3 months of the season.

Also, Hicks and Redmond have no trade value.

rick staley
3 years 9 months ago

yes they do…did  you not see the OPS stat the Braves OF put up last year? Last…how far does a team have to climb to get out of the basement? A lot! Thus, help comes in the form of needed change, and that’s what a power hitting corner OF will provide. 

   So, since Chipper is not providing it anymore, and Martin did not provide it either. Freeman may one day, and so may Heyward. Until then, you have to go get it by trading a proven commodity (Prado or JJ). Oh. Had Uggla not come out of the tank where Prado & Heyward resided the entire season…the Braves would have finished 3rd or 4th in the NL East

bravesdude
3 years 9 months ago

Several players carried the team during different parts of the year . Jurrjens and Hanson for pitchers the first half . Hudson the second half . Freeman came on strong after the first month of the season for a while along with McCann . Uggla had his 30 something game hitting streak the second half of the season . And guess who was the Braves best hitter the last month of the season . Come on guess . Alex Gonzalez . They just didn’t seem to all click together as a whole throughout the whole season .

NYBravosFan10
3 years 9 months ago

anyone wanna argue about nothing until the thread gets so skinny that it goes to one word per line and then just flat dissappears?

Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 9 months ago

Yeah, I’ll start off.

Manny Ramirez is the greatest player ever.

Now argue.

3 years 9 months ago

IN WHAT WORLD DO YOU LIVE?! RAMIREZ?! HE’S A BUM! A BUM, I TELL YOU! HE COULDN’T HOLD THE JOCKSTRAP OF BARRY ZITO. THAT HAMBENDER IS DEVASTATING. LOOK AT THE HOME/ROAD SPLITS!

Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 9 months ago

NO

JOHN LACKEY IS BETTER THAN BOTH OF THEM, FACT

rsanchez1
3 years 9 months ago

I was hoping to hear “but we’re willing to do what it takes to land top-tier pitching” from Beinfest, but instead it seems the Marlins FO is delusional that they can land top FA with a no-trade clause policy.

Jeff
3 years 9 months ago

If a starter goes down, the guys who would come up (assuming JJ is traded), would be Delgado, Redmond, then Vizcaino.  I have confidence in all three of those to handle a 5th starter role, and you only see the last two if multiple starters go down.

Rotation would be Hudson/Hanson/Beachy/Minor/Teheran.

Brv Rocks
3 years 9 months ago

Medlen would get a start before Redmond.

tomymogo
3 years 9 months ago

Teheran-Delgado-Medlen

nictonjr
3 years 9 months ago

I’m not sure.  I think the league sees Jurrjens as damaged goods.  Wren wants a premium return.  Not sure Wren is willing to lower his asking price 75%…