Nightengale On Albert Pujols Negotiations

Bob Nightengale has a fantastic story up at USA Today that provides a timeline of the negotiations involving Albert Pujols and a handful of clubs at the Winter Meetings. The must-read piece includes word that Pujols' contract could be worth as much as $280MM with incentives. Here are the other highlights:

  • When Dodgers manager Don Mattingly spoke to Pujols last weekend, he sensed Pujols wasn't entirely happy with the Cardinals: "You could just sense something was wrong. He was getting frustrated by it."
  • The Marlins were "relentless," increasing their offer to Pujols multiple times until it reached $275MM. They expected to leave Dallas having signed Pujols, but never offered the no-trade clause he wanted.
  • A mystery team (not the Angels) stepped in on Monday and offered Pujols ten years and $225MM. This mystery club "refuses to be publicly identified," writes Nightengale.
  • On Tuesday, the Cardinals offered a nine-year, $210MM deal with a tenth-year vesting option. At around this time, the Marlins were eliminated from the mix (whether by Pujols or the team), narrowing the decision to the Cards and the mystery team.
  • Late Tuesday, Angels GM Jerry Dipoto called agent Dan Lozano to talk Pujols. Early Wednesday morning, the Halos offered a ten-year deal worth about $250MM.
  • As of Wednesday night, Lozano expected Pujols to mull the decision for a few days, but the slugger called him early this morning to accept the Angels' offer.


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234 Comments on "Nightengale On Albert Pujols Negotiations"


baseball52
3 years 8 months ago

I just want to know who the mystery team was!!!

Salmon4Coach
3 years 8 months ago

They say it was Cubbies,,Who knows

dylanp5030
3 years 8 months ago

They don’t have an established 1B…could be Red Sox, Yankees, or Phillies.

My money is that the Phillies tried to trade Howard, didn’t get any bites because of his contract, Down year, and injury, and now don’t want to admit it so that Ryan doesn’t find out and get upset with management. That would just be my guess.

BLEACHER_CREATURD
3 years 8 months ago

Doubt it.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

I’m sure they considered it. I doubt they were the mystery team though.

It’s got to be some big market team though, a big market team with a veteran first baseman, and there’s few of those.

Salmon4Coach
3 years 8 months ago

Sounds like the best one..Guess if it is them we will never know

Salmon4Coach
3 years 8 months ago

Sounds like the best one..Guess if it is them we will never know

YanksFanSince78
3 years 8 months ago

Why would the Cubs be adamant about wanting to remain anonymous? 

Salmon4Coach
3 years 8 months ago

idk i never said it was or that it was my guess..Just said i read people say that they think it was Cubs

Salmon4Coach
3 years 8 months ago

idk i never said it was or that it was my guess..Just said i read people say that they think it was Cubs

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

it was the marlins calling from a blocked number

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

It was The Scott Boras pretending to be an MLB General Manager with the hopes of driving clubs off Pujols and into the Fielder sweepstakes.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 8 months ago

Brewers? Maybe they didn’t want to offend Fielder?

BLEACHER_CREATURD
3 years 8 months ago

I was thinking that actually… Why else would you want to be anonymous unless you were trying to not offend a current player, or a past player? Not to mention there are reports they are willing to pay prince quite a chunk as well.

3 years 8 months ago

Brewers can’t even afford Prince. No shot

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

you may have a point.. and right before Albert signed we all saw weird rumors of “Brewers think Rollins will sign with Philly” like they were really waiting to see what happens.. Rollins and Pujols share agents

BLEACHER_CREATURD
3 years 8 months ago

I was thinking that actually… Why else would you want to be anonymous unless you were trying to not offend a current player, or a past player? Not to mention there are reports they are willing to pay prince quite a chunk as well.

HolaAmigas
3 years 8 months ago

I say it was the Pirates!

Rashomon
3 years 8 months ago

I say it was an AL Central Team.

3 years 8 months ago

The “contenders” in the Central all have established first basemen (Cabrera, Konerko, Morneau), so I don’t think they would offer Pujols a contract. I very much doubt the Royals or Indians would offer anything. 

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

That’s the point. The Mystery Team was a team with a veteran first baseman that was looking to trade him.

3 years 8 months ago

If it was, the only plausible team would have been Detroit.

And I can’t see them having three players making 20M, especially when one of those would have to change positions

Rashomon
3 years 8 months ago

I was thinking Detroit too. Get the ticking timebomb of Cabrera off the squad and upgrade some positions by trading him and sign Pujols and dominate your division until the Royals mature. Best hitter + Best pitcher= Best of both worlds.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

lol this post is hilarious.

Last 3 years wOBA
Cabrera, .402, .429, .436
Pujols    .449,  .420. .385

Given the fact that Miggy is 3 years younger, and cheaper both in terms of AAV and length (2015/ age 32) There is just no way that it was the tigers. Miggy is one of very few 1B that moving forward Pujols wouldn’t be an upgrade over. (or at the very least not enough of an upgrade to justify the extra 150 million investment)

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

lol this post is hilarious.

Last 3 years wOBA
Cabrera, .402, .429, .436
Pujols    .449,  .420. .385

Given the fact that Miggy is 3 years younger, and cheaper both in terms of AAV and length (2015/ age 32) There is just no way that it was the tigers. Miggy is one of very few 1B that moving forward Pujols wouldn’t be an upgrade over. (or at the very least not enough of an upgrade to justify the extra 150 million investment)

phee17
3 years 8 months ago

im thinking it was the cubs. and they don’t want to be identified because theo is trying to stay under the radar, already claiming “they don’t have the cash for fielder.” im willing to bet they make a push for fielder here soon

YanksFanSince78
3 years 8 months ago

It was already well publicized that they have been in talks with Pujols. Cat was out the bag.

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

The Pirates

3 years 8 months ago

This is not a good thing for the Rangers. Angels could be real competitors this year. Im kind of worried.

Madman2TX
3 years 8 months ago

Why? I’m not. In JD and Ryan we trust.

Madman2TX
3 years 8 months ago

Why? I’m not. In JD and Ryan we trust.

3 years 8 months ago

Dan Lozano

3 years 8 months ago

Dan Lozano

Tomahawk237
3 years 8 months ago

It was the Hiroshima Carp

Tomahawk237
3 years 8 months ago

It was the Hiroshima Carp

3 years 8 months ago

i say it was the dodgers. seems kinda obvious since mattingly was talking to pujols

tomymogo
3 years 8 months ago

Dodgers, but they don’t want fans to know because they supposively “don’t have money” but Albert is a tremendous marketing figure that would had increased Dodgers sell for a number of reasons.

But now that they have missed out, they don’t want their name out there and gets fans excited that they have that kind of money and should spend it on Prince Fielder

Salmon4Coach
3 years 8 months ago

Again all he wanted was a no trade Clause but i got people telling me no it was for the money..If Cards offered a no trade clause he would still be a Cardinal

3 years 8 months ago

It doesn’t say we didn’t. I think we did.

3 years 8 months ago

He already had 10-5 rights. No real need for the Cardinals to add a
NTC?

commenter3346
3 years 8 months ago

He had 10-5 rights with the Cardinals. No need for a no trade clause.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

They didn’t have to offer him one. He had 10/5 rights.

All he wanted from the Cardinals was respect. They low balled him last year and took a chance that retiring as a Cardinal meant more to him that the money. They gambled wrong.

Salmon4Coach
3 years 8 months ago

I forgot about the 10/5 rule thanks for reminding me…But still wasn’t for the money then? if it was he would have gone to Miami am i right?..Or if Miami offered a no-trade he would have gone 

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

He’d be a Marlin if they gave him a no trade clause.

Thank goodness he’s not. While his numbers are middle of the road against the Phillies (for his standards, think a .279 batting average) I really didn’t want to face him 18 times a year.

3 years 8 months ago

Did not low ball… They just did not think he was worth the money. Won’t know if they were wrong for  years to come.

WasianCU
3 years 8 months ago

Isn’t that the definition of low-balling?  Offering less money than what the market dictates for his value?  There were three teams offering more money than the Cards so they definitely low-balled him.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

I’m talking more about their offers to him last off season. By most reports they weren’t even close to the offer they had on the table this year.

3 years 8 months ago

I don’t call a 9 year 210 Million $$$$ a low balll. I don’t what someone else pays him.

3 years 8 months ago

It’s all relative, John. When someone else is offering 10/$275 guess what?
9/$210 is a low ball….especially in light of what AP has already done for that organization.
They pulled the same stuff when Renteria bolted to Boston back in ’05.
Because they’re the CARDINALS, their final offer is still always less than the others.

3 years 8 months ago

I don’t call a 9 year 210 Million $$$$ a low balll. I don’t what someone else pays him.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

That’s disrespecting him though. If they didn’t think he was worth the money, they wouldn’t have offered him $220 million this year or whatever it ended up being.

I think anybody who thinks Pujols was being greedy or whatever (not you obviously) is off base because I don’t believe his first choice was to leave. He wanted a fair offer from the Cardinals but they refused to do so last year.

Last off season they completely disrespected him by offering him less than Ryan Howard and Texiera. Both good players but not Albert Pujols level.

If they gave him that 9 year $210 million dollar deal last off season, I’m sure he’d have signed it last year.

3 years 8 months ago

He wanted 10 years 300 million last off season. And I don’t consider 9 years 210 million a low ball offer to a guy coming off of his worst 2 seasons. I wish him well though.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

That wasn’t what they offered him last season, that was their final offer this year.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

That wasn’t what they offered him last season, that was their final offer this year.

3 years 8 months ago

Cardinals are still a small market, they can’t afford to offer a guy 10 years 220 million without anybody bidding against them. It could destroy a franchise like St. Louis for years, we were fooled into believing he really wanted to win, with quotes like this “People from other teams want
to play in St. Louis and they’re jealous that we’re in St. Louis
because the fans are unbelievable. So why would you want to leave a
place like St. Louis to go somewhere else and make $3 or $4 more million
a year? It’s not about the money. I already got my money. It’s about
winning and that’s it. It’s about accomplishing my goal and my goal is
to try to win.” when in the end, he was upset they gave Holliday so much money, to protect him in the lineup. and we made the mistake of thinking winning a world series qualified as being a winning team, I guess to Albert “winning” is better defined by Charlie Sheen than it is Championships, and Success is measured in dollars, not statistics. He demanded to have a good team around him, yet expected the Cardinals to dedicate 25 million dollars a season to him for 10 years and still remain competitive. He’s crazy, I wanted him to stay, but after today, and being able to really consider the implications upon the Cardinals that a 10 year 250 million contract would have would be terrible for the Cardinals. We are better off now than we were yesterday, this circus is over, we still have 2 ace pitchers, a solid bullpen and are still the most dangerous team in our division with 18 million dollars or so freed up for the right opportunity later.

3 years 8 months ago

Maybe if they didn’t have all this money tied up in Holliday, Carpenter, etc. they’d be able to sign Pujols.

Either way, they’re lucky they won the WS this year…with Albert gone and Rasmus gone…they’ll probably be waiting awhile

3 years 8 months ago

Rasmus? trading Rasmus was the reason we won the World Series, he was a cancer in the clubhouse and we got Scrabble, Dotel and Jackson by getting rid of him.

I’m not convinced we aren’t still the best team in the Central Division. Berkman and Holliday are pretty good middle of the order guys.

Pujols can’t win a world series by himself, in fact, Carpenter and David Freese are more responsible for winning it than Pujols was. You win with a good team, Carpenter and Holliday are part of that. Pujols was more interested in having the biggest contract at the expense of the team… good riddance.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

ugh do you actually believe that crap??

Cards did not win the world series because of rzp, dotel, and jackson

they won because of carpenter, pujols, freese, berkman and holliday.

give it a rest.

3 years 8 months ago

yes, I do believe this crap because they were horrible until Mo. re did the bullpen, Miller, Franklin and Bautista were responsible for most of the runs our bullpen allowed, replacing Miller with scrabble and adding dotel and another starter in Jackson were essential to making the playoffs.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

making the playoffs maybe, braves collapse didn’t hurt either..

but your post only makes sense if trading Colby was the only way you could have improved your bullpen. Chances are it wasn’t.

I don’t want to get in to who won the trade, because the cards won the world series and thats forever..

but attributing it solely to that trade and the players involved is just plain silly

3 years 8 months ago

I don’t care who won the trade, if Rasmus does turn out to be an all star, good for Toronto, I’ll still consider it a good trade because of the end result, that trade fit our needs, Rasmus was becoming unpopular and had issues between himself, his dad and LaRussa that were a distraction. the key to the thing was Scrabble, Rezpechisfiskei whatever you want to call him, he’s under our control for at least 2 more years, is a quality left handed relief pitcher and possible starter later on down the road.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

he’s actually under control for 4 more years. but ok

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

making the playoffs maybe, braves collapse didn’t hurt either..

but your post only makes sense if trading Colby was the only way you could have improved your bullpen. Chances are it wasn’t.

I don’t want to get in to who won the trade, because the cards won the world series and thats forever..

but attributing it solely to that trade and the players involved is just plain silly

Jose_Bautista
3 years 8 months ago

LOL.

You won because of Dotel, Zep and Jackson?

WOW, I can’t stop laughing.

You guys won the WS because of 2 mediocre relievers and a #3 starter.

ROFL.

What about Chris Carpenter? What about Pujols’ awesome postseason run? What about Freese?

Give it a break dude, you are delusional.

Dotel  and Zep had negative WAR during postseason just so that you know.

3 years 8 months ago

You don’t get to the world series if you don’t make it to the playoffs, we didn’t make the playoffs without improving the bullpen, once you get to the playoffs its anybody’s game, which ever team plays the best, until the end and you get unlikely stars just like David Freese. But had the Cardinals NOT made the Rasmus trade, they would have not won the world series.

3 years 8 months ago

You don’t get to the world series if you don’t make it to the playoffs, we didn’t make the playoffs without improving the bullpen, once you get to the playoffs its anybody’s game, which ever team plays the best, until the end and you get unlikely stars just like David Freese. But had the Cardinals NOT made the Rasmus trade, they would have not won the world series.

Bradley Geppert
3 years 8 months ago

Are you serious about Rasmus?  Trading Rasmum the key move to winning the WS this year.  Look what he did with Toronto…NOTHING.  Dumping Rasmus was a positive thing.  Wainwright comes back this year.  If Fielder leaves MIL, the Central is still the Cards to lose.  And with their starting starting, they could still be dangerous in the post season.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

omg he did nothing in 120 PA geeze!

thank heavens you have an ample sample size or else you would just look plain silly

Jose_Bautista
3 years 8 months ago

ROFL

You are delusional, Rasmus barely got any at with Jays.

3 years 8 months ago

Your right.. Rasmus was a problem in the clubhouse, he needed to be moved, he was loaded with talent, but the drive wasn’t there, he had enough value to get what we really needed which was another starter and bullpen help.

3 years 8 months ago

Yes, trading Rasmus helped last season. But, with the loss of most of the players you got for him, along with Pujols gone…it would have been nice to have him in the order for a couple of years.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

He can win a World Series with the Angels, I mean, it’s not like he’s signing with the Astros.

Every player says that about their fans. Roy Halladay said he loved it in Toronto, loved the fans. Now that he’s in Philly he says things like “It’s the greatest atmosphere I’ve ever pitched in.”

Just because he left doesn’t mean what he said wasn’t genuine.

3 years 8 months ago

clearly the case, and a complete fraud, and now he’s gone and we still have an excellent team.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

It’s business. Albert Pujols is anything but a fraud.

3 years 8 months ago

Trying to act like you know more about Pujols than a Cardinal fan is laughable. Baseball maybe,,, Albert. Not a chance.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

I don’t see anything in his history that makes him a fraud but whatever. I’m sure he loves St. Louis. You’re right. I don’t know as much about him as you guys do, but the perception I’ve always had of him is that he’s a straight shooter and a hall of famer off the field.

In fact, he’s a guy I’ve admired for a long time because of his character.

3 years 8 months ago

No, he doesn’t, he took out his little temper tantrum with managment on the entire city, he can go to LA and take his stupid statue of himself with him.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

He doesn’t owe anything to the City. He gave you guys the best 11 years, arguably, that any player has given his team.

He wanted to be paid fairly and didn’t want to sign for the low ball offer the Cardinals gave him last off season. The Cardinals didn’t get serious with him until Mami swooped in.

No one person should ever base their decision on what 2 million people think is best for them. (with some exceptions).

3 years 8 months ago

Trying to act like you know more about Pujols than a Cardinal fan is laughable. Baseball maybe,,, Albert. Not a chance.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

It’s business. Albert Pujols is anything but a fraud.

3 years 8 months ago

I would think Philly would be a great atmoshphere.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

$207M in revenue is not small market. the angels reported $222M in revenue last year

if ~$210M is small market, there are like 23 small market teams in the MLB

commenter3346
3 years 8 months ago

The Cardinals are a small market team. 

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

if it’s only a geographical/population reference, that is a meaningless label in this discussion. they are one of the top 10 most valuable franchises in baseball and report greater revenues than several ‘larger markets’

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

if it’s only a geographical/population reference, that is a meaningless label in this discussion. they are one of the top 10 most valuable franchises in baseball and report greater revenues than several ‘larger markets’

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

*mid market

Tampa Bay and Oakland are small markets.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

*mid market

Tampa Bay and Oakland are small markets.

commenter3346
3 years 8 months ago

The Cardinals are a small market team. 

3 years 8 months ago

never heard market size based on revenue… based market size on the size of the market before…

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

can you tell me why market size matters without talking about revenues?

even if you could, your reference to market size was linked directly to the affordability of pujols’ contract, which is entirely about revenues

3 years 8 months ago

We don’t get the TV deals that you get in New York or Los Angeles, because we don’t play in a big market, The Greater St. Louis Area is less than 3 million people, and perhaps another million in southern Illinois and the rest of Missouri (except Kansas City/St. Joseph) we don’t have 12 million people in our market like the Yankees, or 9 million or whatever the population of Los Angeles is. If St. Louis had 6 million people, we’d have more revenue.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

so the answer to my question is “no”

money from tv deals is counted in the figures above. as of 2011, the cardinals were only ~$15M ‘poorer’ than the angels in terms of revenues and their world series run since that time certainly didn’t hurt

i understand you want to make something of the larger
capacity for revenues that a larger market could theoretically have, but you really can’t until it materializes

one reason (among many) is that geographical and population figures don’t tell the whole story: the people of STL will spend much more on baseball than the people of TB, for example. it doesn’t break down to more people = more money

and to reiterate, the money is all that matters here at the end of the day. it’s the only reason the “market size” issue comes up

YanksFanSince78
3 years 8 months ago

You’re missing his point. Based on REVENUE the Cards are a NOT a small market team. They brought in more in revenue last year than the Tigers (by $15 mil), Blue Jays ($39 mil), Texas ($1 mil), Atlanta ($6 mil), Astros ($10 mil), Orioles ($37 mil) and Nationals ($13 mil). 

3 years 8 months ago

I get that, but we aren’t a market that can pay 254 million dollars to a player over 10 years, other teams can get away with it, we don’t. I’m not going to blame ownership for this one, Albert was asking an unreasonable amount from this team, in this market even with this revenue.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 8 months ago

I’m not arguing they SHOULD but the fact is that the Angels DID and they only took in $15 mil more in revenue than the Cards. So in essence, while it makes bad business sense to do it, the CAPACITY for them TO do it exists.

3 years 8 months ago

We don’t get the TV deals that you get in New York or Los Angeles, because we don’t play in a big market, The Greater St. Louis Area is less than 3 million people, and perhaps another million in southern Illinois and the rest of Missouri (except Kansas City/St. Joseph) we don’t have 12 million people in our market like the Yankees, or 9 million or whatever the population of Los Angeles is. If St. Louis had 6 million people, we’d have more revenue.

3 years 8 months ago

never heard market size based on revenue… based market size on the size of the market before…

CyYoungSuppan
3 years 8 months ago

So what you all are saying is that he had 10-5 rights, correct?  Or am I reading it wrong?

3 years 8 months ago

I seriously doubt that.  No seriously.

Salmon4Coach
3 years 8 months ago

Nah after seeing all these comments i’m still strong about what i said (SARCASM)

Salmon4Coach
3 years 8 months ago

Nah after seeing all these comments i’m still strong about what i said (SARCASM)

tomymogo
3 years 8 months ago

Marlins didn’t, the others did….But Marlins bid was the highest

tomymogo
3 years 8 months ago

Marlins didn’t, the others did….But Marlins bid was the highest

stl_cards16
3 years 8 months ago

Thanks for 11 awesome years Albert.  Enjoy LA and we’ll see ya when you’re ready for the hall.

For the Cardinals, it’s time for a fresh start.  A new manager, a new face of the franchise, a new time. Still a lot of work to be done to keep the team on top.  I have faith we’ll still be right in the hunt for years to come.

WasianCU
3 years 8 months ago

Great post.  It’s nice to see posts from some of the real Cards fans rather than posts like JT made earlier since St. Louis is supposed to be among the best cities for baseball fans.

3 years 8 months ago

I’m a life long Cardinal fan for over 50 years. My first baseball game I got to see Stan Musial play. I wish Albert the best and want to thank him for the many years of enjoyment he gave this Cards fan. While it hurts to see him gone, in the end it will be for the best for the Cardinal organization, they could not have fielded a competitive team and paid him his worth. The Cards will be just fine and I look forward to seeing more world championships for them in my lifetime. 

3 years 8 months ago

The worst thing to happen to us so far is Allen Craig’s knee, Pujols committing treason just freed up 20 million dollars or so.

catch21_2
3 years 8 months ago

I sincerely hope you aren’t saying Holliday will be the new face of the franchise.  If so, we’re screwed.

stl_cards16
3 years 8 months ago

What in my post indicated Holliday being the face of the franchise?

catch21_2
3 years 8 months ago

Nothing–that’s why I said “I hope you aren’t implying Holliday is the guy.”  Don’t be so defensive.

inleylandwetrust
3 years 8 months ago

David Freese. Duh!

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Wainwright. As an outsider is who I’d consider to be the guy I think of when I think of the Cardinals now.

inleylandwetrust
3 years 8 months ago

David Freese. Duh!

3 years 8 months ago

That was a good read. Very informative.

3 years 8 months ago

I just love how he went on and on about playing for a winner, wanting to be in the WS, so what does he do? He signs with the club that traded the would-be WS MVP for a bag of balls, then paid for the bag of balls, and played a guy who hit below the Mendoza line almost every day… Doesn’t seem to fit.

TDKnies
3 years 8 months ago

You don’t think the Angels are contenders?  They’ve got just as much a shot to win the AL West next year as the Cards do of winning the NL Central.

sam_lammert
3 years 8 months ago

as of today, they probably have better

BLEACHER_CREATURD
3 years 8 months ago

Lmao. The Angels have a better chance of a WS next year than the Cards do. The Cards just got hot at the right time. There were plenty of teams that were better than the cards over 162 games, just not at the right time… I know that’s all that matters, but they were not the best team overall.

3 years 8 months ago

I was trying to be generous to the Cards to offend people less. :/

stl_cards16
3 years 8 months ago

#11 doesn’t care what you think. Everyone wrote the Cards off last year when Wainwright went down. I have no problem with everyone doing the same because Pujols is gone.

3 years 8 months ago

Ok?  It’s not like either of them is a lock to make it to the playoffs next year.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Most people counted them out because they didn’t think the Braves would be as bad as they were down the stretch and the Cardinals were coming off a disappointing season.

I think if Wainwright stayed healthy, they probably would’ve won that division.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Idk can you definitively say there’s a team that’s better than them in that division?

The Reds maybe the best team but their pitching is inconsistent.

The Cardinals were a playoff contender going into Spring Training, but they lost their ace. They did have some luck with the Braves getting decimated by injuries (Jurjens, Hanson notably) but really, if Wainwright doesn’t get hurt, they probably win the division.

3 years 8 months ago

The Cardinals have got hot at the right time 11 times….. every team that wins a World Series is hot at the right time. LOL

BLEACHER_CREATURD
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, and the past two times they have been arguably the worst teams to ever win it all. PERIOD.

3 years 8 months ago

The Cardinals have got hot at the right time 11 times….. every team that wins a World Series is hot at the right time. LOL

3 years 8 months ago

It would make sense if the mystery team was a small-market team like my Indians. They have a glaring hole at first and a need for a right-handed power bat and it makes sense that they wouldn’t want anyone to know they had made an offer. That way, they don’t have to explain how they have money for Pujols, but no money to offer anyone else.

Rashomon
3 years 8 months ago

The fact that Tim left off this post is that the Mystery Team had an established first baseman already in the back of their Mystery Machine, who was consuming a large amount of Scooby Snacks. 

inleylandwetrust
3 years 8 months ago

Come to think of it, you do kinda look like an older version of Shaggy…

Rashomon
3 years 8 months ago

Actually, I’m Fred. This profile pic cuts off my ascot, so I understand your confusion.

Rashomon
3 years 8 months ago

Actually, I’m Fred. This profile pic cuts off my ascot, so I understand your confusion.

inleylandwetrust
3 years 8 months ago

Come to think of it, you do kinda look like an older version of Shaggy…

3 years 8 months ago

Smooth move, St. Louis management

lolz

BLEACHER_CREATURD
3 years 8 months ago

The question is, what team would want to be anonymous, and why?

3 years 8 months ago

I’m still going with the Montreal Expos or Washington Redskins

LifelongMets
3 years 8 months ago

I’m going with the Seattle Pilots or Washington Senators

3 years 8 months ago

I’m still going with the Montreal Expos or Washington Redskins

Yo Tega
3 years 8 months ago

Call me crazy, but I have a suspicion that the Rangers may have been the mystery team.

3 years 8 months ago

Crazy

LA
3 years 8 months ago

The mystery has to be the Toronto Blue Jays. AA is sneaky like that and would not show his hands to the media and rumour mills.

3 years 8 months ago

Rasmus is not a loss at all. The Cards do have Matt Adams and he will be up in a couple of years, probably by 2013 now.  Colby has always been expendable. 

3 years 8 months ago

Rasmus is not a loss at all. The Cards do have Matt Adams and he will be up in a couple of years, probably by 2013 now.  Colby has always been expendable. 

3 years 8 months ago

The mystery team was the Mariners.

3 years 8 months ago

The mystery team was the Mariners.

3 years 8 months ago

i can see that

3 years 8 months ago

As a Cardinals fan, I hold nothing against the job that Mozeliak and the rest of the front office did in an attempt to retain Albert.  They still offered him 9 years for a guaranteed $210 million, or an annual rate of over $23 million.  He had the no trade because of his 10-5 rights.  Even that deal would have been a very risky one because of his age and declining statistics, so I can’t blame Cards brass for not going further.  In the end, he took about $2 million more per year to be in LA, and if that extra money is worth skipping out on St. Louis and losing his place with Stan the Man and other legends, then that is his call.  Clearly, the money is what mattered to him.  I understand that the game is a business, but I am angered by the fact that his entire career, he spoke so highly of the St. Louis fans and the organization, and then can leave in the fashion that he did.

Manny Hernandez
3 years 8 months ago

try 43 mil more in guaranteed money. why would he want to be the 4th best paid 1b in the game, when he clearly is the best.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

The problem I had is why did they let it get to this point? They should’ve offered him $210 million last off season.

cacavolante
3 years 8 months ago

when they asked lozano about an extension a few years ago they said arod’s deal was the starting point. what makes you think he would ve accepted 210?

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Why did they save their best offer until the final moments of the negotiations?

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

The problem I had is why did they let it get to this point? They should’ve offered him $210 million last off season.

3 years 8 months ago

As a Cardinals fan, I hold nothing against the job that Mozeliak and the rest of the front office did in an attempt to retain Albert.  They still offered him 9 years for a guaranteed $210 million, or an annual rate of over $23 million.  He had the no trade because of his 10-5 rights.  Even that deal would have been a very risky one because of his age and declining statistics, so I can’t blame Cards brass for not going further.  In the end, he took about $2 million more per year to be in LA, and if that extra money is worth skipping out on St. Louis and losing his place with Stan the Man and other legends, then that is his call.  Clearly, the money is what mattered to him.  I understand that the game is a business, but I am angered by the fact that his entire career, he spoke so highly of the St. Louis fans and the organization, and then can leave in the fashion that he did.

3 years 8 months ago

“Mystery team” with 225mil to pony up for Pujols? It was definitely a team in the bottom 5 in payroll who always tells their fans they have no money. They don’t want to be ratted out.

3 years 8 months ago

 .300/40/120 is worth a quarter of a BILLION? How much is enough and when are fans going to see that they’re the ones paying for it?  Absolutely crazy.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

They’re going to pay for it anyway. You think teams wouldn’t be charging $40 bucks a seat regardless of player salaries?

inleylandwetrust
3 years 8 months ago

That s*it cray

Shu13
3 years 8 months ago

So you are saying we should stop going to games to watch a sport we love? How are the “fans” supposed to stop the owners from paying these players soooo much? TV revenue also helps fund these players…so that means stop watching on TV too?

IIWII….the fans have no control unless we stop watching something we love to watch….

3 years 8 months ago

I always wondered if perhaps the Giants were involved in this, I can see them making a big push to land a guy like Pujols, especially if they feel like they are going to have to fight the Athletics over San Jose.

3 years 8 months ago

I always wondered if perhaps the Giants were involved in this, I can see them making a big push to land a guy like Pujols, especially if they feel like they are going to have to fight the Athletics over San Jose.