Pirates Prioritize Adding Another Starter

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Guest
3 years 8 months ago

wow……pirates are REALLY breaking the bank now!!

hgr900
3 years 8 months ago

Ross broke up with his fiance when he became a “big-shot” major leaguer….funny to see him get released.

3 years 8 months ago

Joe Saunders, Edwin Jackson, Paul Maholm. In that order.

Ron Loreski
3 years 8 months ago

Roy Oswalt, Edwin Jackson, or Joe Saunders please.

Mike Adamson
3 years 8 months ago

That is the 3 I want too….

diehardmets
3 years 8 months ago

I think Oswalt makes a lot of sense for both sides. Without Fielder or Pujols, the NL Central is a great spot for Oswalt to rebuild his value on a one year deal, and he could bring in some prospects for the Pirates at the deadline. 

3 years 8 months ago

oswalt isnt coming to the burgh

formerdraftpick
3 years 8 months ago

He might come to the Burgh during interleague play or a bit more often if he signs with an NL team. 

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

Oswalt: My main focus is to be on a competing team.
Agent: How about them Pirates????
Oswalt: No but seriously…..
Agent: Come on man……they already gave me free stuff. Work with me here.
Oswalt: No seriously….return the Ipad I’m not going.
Agent: My bad. Done. Its in the mail. You won’t hear another word about them.
Oswalt: Its ok ill get you one.
Agent: Ok the usual then?
Oswalt: Competitors you know Sox, Rangers, Yanks, Reds, Marlins, Angels, Cleve, Tigers, Brewers, Cards, and Arizona.
Agent: Mets?
Oswalt: Please stop.
Agent: Ok Ok!

formerdraftpick
3 years 7 months ago

The more I think about it, it DOES make sense for Oswalt to sign with the Pirates.  Mid season if he puts up good numbers, he’ll be traded to a contender for some prospects.  A win-win all the way around.  Oswalt plays for a winning team and the Pirates continue their rebuilding process. 

Ron Loreski
3 years 8 months ago

Even without Pujols and Fielder, the NL Central does still have the last two NL MVP’s in Braun and Votto….not to mention Holliday and Berkman.

Mike Adamson
3 years 8 months ago

Braun is out for awhile and it’s going to be harder to hit without Fielder in the lineup.

3 years 8 months ago

with Braun out for a while, the Reds and Cards, depending on their pitching, look to be frontrunners.  one more starter could do wonders for the bucs chances next season

formerdraftpick
3 years 8 months ago

This coming year is probably their best chance to clinch Central considering what is going on with the other teams.  Yours for the taking Neil.  Sign a QUALITY pitcher.   

3 years 8 months ago

takes two to sign on the dotted line, bruthah

formerdraftpick
3 years 8 months ago

Maybe the Pirates need to sign someone who can forge signatures first.

Astros1
3 years 8 months ago

They should trade for Wandy.  The Astros are leaving the NL next year and aren’t competitive now so it makes sense.

Ron Loreski
3 years 8 months ago

That won’t happen. Wandy is expensive on 2 levels. He has a large salary and requires a large return. At this point I could see the Pirates spending big money rather than sending a large group of prospects away.

3 years 8 months ago

the pirates would prefer a 1 or 2 year deal for a starting pitcher, which means no prospects to trade…  im all for trading prospects, but maybe wait until the trade deadline to see if we’re in the race or not.

TophersReds
3 years 8 months ago

Likely not.

pirateswillwinin2013
3 years 7 months ago

Reds had a good year last season

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

Hmm…The Pirates had a good last 20 years.

3 years 8 months ago

I think another lefty would help…Maholm is welcome in my book

Jim McGrath
3 years 8 months ago

Is Ohlendorf injured, not any good or has he lost his desire to compete?

3 years 8 months ago

does it matter?  he’s gone.

Jim McGrath
3 years 8 months ago

It matters to me as I have an interest in Ivy League baseball and he played at Princeton. He only started a handful of games in ’11 after starting a combined 50 the previous 2 years with a combined ERA of 4.00.
If he was not injured I thought it might be interesting to see the Red Sox sign him to a minor league contract–that would give the Sox potentially battery mates that are Ivy League grads. 

3 years 8 months ago

oh.  well, he was healthy at the end of the season, but the pirates believed he to not be worthy of another $2MM contract…  he’ll find a job somewhere though

Mike Adamson
3 years 8 months ago

He is a guy that always looks like he can be an very good pitcher until he takes the mound. Him and Morton can both be very frustrating.

Smrtbusnisman04
3 years 8 months ago

He’s been very unlucky with the injury bug for about two years and a half years now. I quess the Pirates were just tired of waiting for him to come back.

Its sad because he did pitch better than his 1-11 record says he did in 2010.

Todd Smith
3 years 8 months ago

I’d still rather have a first baseman and cleanup hitter than a 6th starter.

Mike Adamson
3 years 8 months ago

If we sign Oswalt, Jackson, or Maholm the aren’t 6th starters in our rotation. If we’re getting Francis or Ohlendorf back I agree. However the only FA name I like is Pena and we might lead the league with .220 hitters.

Todd Smith
3 years 8 months ago

Wasn’t suggesting the player would be the 6th best starter on the team, just that the team already has 5 starters in the rotation right now.  To me, it’s more important to get Neil Walker out of the cleanup position than it is to try to find a slight upgrade over Kevin Correia.

hallwagner
3 years 8 months ago

kris benson, kip wells, and josh fogg. do it huntington!

Ron Loreski
3 years 8 months ago

While we’re at it, let’s get Raul Mondesi, Derek Bell, Terry Mulholland, Pat Meares, Chris Stynes, and Jeff Reboulet!

3 years 8 months ago

Seriously, if they add Oswalt and E-Jax do they not look like better than .500 team? They should sign them both immediately…and Prince Fielder too, just to make it interesting.

Ron Loreski
3 years 8 months ago

lol

TophersReds
3 years 8 months ago

Problem: They probably don’t want to go to the Pirates.

bigpat
3 years 8 months ago

 I don’t think Oswalt would because he’s getting older and would probably rather just play for a contender, but if the money’s right, I see no reason why Jackson or Fielder wouldn’t join the team. Jackson would be a realistic signing, they were in on Jorge De La Rosa last season.

3 years 8 months ago

thats true.  but how many teams were “in” on JDLR last offseason?  i would guess that more will be “in” on jackson

pirateswillwinin2013
3 years 7 months ago

Jackson is realistic

formerdraftpick
3 years 8 months ago

My request is someone who can keep their era under 4, can pitch at least 175 innings, and has at least double the strikeouts as they do walks in a given season. Almost forgot, they needed to have those statistics last year, not 10 years ago.  

Ron Loreski
3 years 8 months ago

Hiroki Kuroda fits that perfectly but the chances of the Pirates getting him are just as good as them getting Fielder.

formerdraftpick
3 years 8 months ago

I wonder if the Pirates put together a five-six prospect package, they could snag Niese and Murphy away from the Mets….say Alderson, Curry, Welker, Gorkys, Crotta and Josh Harrison and see if they would bite.  I would throw in Lorin, but he’s gone.  These guys probably wont see the light of day with the Pirates, so you might as well get something for them before they become Rule V fodder or minor league free agents.

Ron Loreski
3 years 8 months ago

They are all crap. The Mets wouldn’t bite on all the extra guys on the 40 man considering none of them are prospects. They are all organizational depth (except for maybe Gorkys). Where would the Pirates play Murphy anyway? Walker is locked in at 2nd. The outfield has pleanty of depth with McCutchen, Tabata, Presley, and McLouth. McGehee is the back up plan at 3rd if Alvarez busts again. And he doesn’t have the power for first.

If they wanna try to get Neise, I think they’d have to part with Starling Marte.

formerdraftpick
3 years 8 months ago

So if I through in Marte, do we have a deal?  The main cookie would be for Niese, anything else is extra. 

As for Murphy, he came up in the organization at 3B and started in the bigs at 1b and LF.  Go figure.  He was being trained on the job at 2B, but as you said, Walker is there.  Murphy is an athlete which fits into the style of person the Pirates look for and adds flexibility to the team.  The Mets are on welfare so they may be willing to part with Murphy as a cost saving measure and to replenish the holes.  They also have a glut of power hitting 2B in their farm system so they might be willing to part with Murphy.  

If the Pirates pulled a deal and got Murphy, I would be happy that they aren’t getting another player who is attempting to make a comeback.  I don’t think I would balk and say not enough power.  It’s like Rodney Dangerfield kicking Katy Perry out of bed and saying, I’m not in the mood for brunettes today.  

pirateswillwinin2013
3 years 7 months ago

I wouldn’t trade Marte for Niese, for Ike Davis yea

bigpat
3 years 8 months ago

I don’t think many of those guys would interest the Mets at all. I would like to see them trade for a starting pitcher but I think they should set their sights higher than Niese if they are trading away quality prospects. 

3 years 8 months ago

only Gorkys of that 6 is technically a prospect…  if you just want to get rid of players you dont like, you cant expect anything in return except more guys you dont like

Jeff
3 years 8 months ago

What would the Pirates realistically offer as a prospect haul for Jurrjens?

If the Braves do need to salary dump (I don’t think they will)- I think the best course of action would be to flat out trade JJ (the drop from JJ to Minor or Teheran isn’t that huge) for a good prospect haul.

I figure he’d be worth 1 A and 1 B prospect.

3 years 8 months ago

If I’m Atlanta I want Chase d’Arnaud, Starling Marte, and a reliever. That would satisfy all of our needs aside from a 3B prospect(I doubt Alvarez could be available) and I believe there was talk of Marte being on the trading block earlier this year. 

NuttingHostage
3 years 8 months ago

Tim, you need to learn to take what Frank Coonelly says with a grain of salt. Very little of what he says turns out to be true or accurate.

For example, documented comments from Coonelly over the past few years…..

“The change in atmosphere … will contribute to far greater success in 2008 and beyond.” – Coonelly (MLB) “We expect to win in 2009 and would not find it acceptable to attempt to build a team that will not win until 2010 or 2012.” – Coonelly (MLB) “2010 will be a much better year.” – Huntington (MLB) “… we believe we can win in 2010.” – Coonelly (MLB) “We’re looking to compete in 2012.” – Coonelly (Post-Gazette)

mondaymorninggm
3 years 8 months ago

i see more of a jeff francis or joel pineiro signing here, someone in the 5 or 6 mil area who can b a real good number 4. they want to win but arent close enough for big aquisitions yet. is webb gonna be ready this year, he would be fantastic on a bounceback type contract.

captainkid
3 years 8 months ago

Jon Garland also fits that bill. Cheap, experienced innings eater that would come cheaper than Jeff Francis (who they seem to covet ).

Red_Line_9
3 years 8 months ago

My concern would be having Bedard and Francis in the same rotation given their injury history.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

the nats can trade you lannan cheap….he only makes 4 mil!!! or is that too much?? seriously pirates you can part with a little money can’t you??

ironkett
3 years 8 months ago

How about signing Garland with the majority of the cash left to spend this offseason and get Cantu on a cheaper deal to provide insurance at both first and third.  They could potentially employ a platoon at both first (Jones/Cantu) and third (Alvarez/McGehee).  Ideally Alvarez doesn’t need a platoon partner but that could help him at first.  I think that addresses (not necessarily solves) their two remaining needs for the offseason and I would argue could feasibly be done.