Pitching Links: Edwin, Marlins, Saunders, Felix

Here's the latest on the arms race from around the majors…

  • Edwin Jackson and John Danks have comparable numbers over the last three years, which is why Mike Axisa of the River Ave Blues blog thinks Scott Boras will use Danks' recent extension with the White Sox as a model for Jackson in free agency.  "Now I know hearing five years and $65M+ for Jackson is a little wacky, just because he [doesn't] come off as the type of pitcher deserving of that kind of commitment…but I refuse to bet against Boras," Axisa writes.
  • "Anytime you hear a pitcher's name, you can safely say the Marlins are in," a National League source tells Clark Spencer of the Miami HeraldMatt Garza, Roy Oswalt, Wandy Rodriguez and Joe Saunders are all mentioned as possibilities for the Fish, though if the Marlins didn't have the minor league talent to acquire Gio Gonzalez and Mat Latos, it's hard to see them being able to deal for Garza.  Rodriguez is a possibility since I'd guess Houston's larger concern is getting his salary off the books rather than obtaining a large haul of prospects.
  • Speaking of Saunders, he talked to Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic about the negotiations between he and the Diamondbacks.  Arizona offered Saunders a two-year, $12MM deal and Saunders' camp countered with a three-year, $27MM deal.  The D'Backs never made a counter, and though Saunders said he then offered to take a two-year contract worth around $16MM, the club non-tendered him and moved on.  I've got to side with the D'Backs in this case — with the rest of their rotation so cost-controlled, if you're going to splurge on a starter, you can spend your money on a better pitcher than Saunders (perhaps Hiroki Kuroda).
  • The Mariners not only shouldn't trade Felix Hernandez, argues Shannon Drayer of ESPN 710 Seattle, but if the team absolutely feels the need to swap a starter, they should deal Michael Pineda instead.  Dreyer calls Pineda "replaceable…There is a very good chance that by the end of next season Danny Hultzen could be Michael Pineda on the hill in regards to development, path, and what he brings to the rotation."
  • Kevin Goldstein of ESPN (Insider subscription required) presented 10 Major League scouts and executives with a field of Matt Garza, Zack Greinke, Ian Kennedy, Ricky Nolasco and Justin Verlander and asked the question, "Based on talent alone, would you take Yu Darvish ahead of this pitcher?"  Aside from the Verlander comparison, Rangers fans will heartily enjoy the other answers.


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80 Comments on "Pitching Links: Edwin, Marlins, Saunders, Felix"


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3 years 6 months ago

I guess you proof-read Mike’s latest post, but Mike just…

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

I wonder what a package for Pineda might need to look like.

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Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 6 months ago

Pretty godlike, though his away splits definitely show that Safeco helped him out. If he gets traded, it’s more likely to happen at the trade deadline, IMO.

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3 years 6 months ago

I can’t see Pineda being moved this season. Neither side would know what they truly have. I’d say it’ll either be him or Felix moved next winter.

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m4r1n3r
3 years 6 months ago

It would have to be pretty significant. He has insane stuff. I don’t want the M’s to get rid of him. If they were to move him now they might not get as much value. Another solid season in the AL under his belt and his value will be sky high… Like Felix Hernandez type of value.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

lol he had a great season, but he has a ways to go before being near Felix’s value.

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m4r1n3r
3 years 6 months ago

The League kinda figured him out but for a rookie he was showing ‘ace like’ stuff. For a while it seemed like he WAS the ace of the pitching staff. I love Felix but Pineda deserves props for his first season in the Majors. Like I said. If he can do it again AND improve next season he will be worth a LOT more than he is now.

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3 years 6 months ago

No doubt. Which is why they shouldn’t trade him (if at all) until his value is higher in a year or two.
I got to see his very first start this season when the M’s came to Texas. It was an awesome game (Pineda v. Ogando). Both guys making their first starts and they both looked amazing. I’d give Pineda the leg up obviously for only giving up 3 runs in a 3-2 game against our line-up.

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Kingmojo101
3 years 6 months ago

if yankess were to do it, it would be dellin batances,austin romine and ramiro pena.

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Snoochies8
3 years 6 months ago

and Jesus Montero

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Kingmojo101
3 years 6 months ago

doubt they will trade 2 catchers i might even add nunez or gardner

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notsureifsrs
3 years 6 months ago

there’s only one catcher in that package

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nictonjr
3 years 6 months ago

Pass on Betances.  His walk rate is way too high.  Seattle wants/needs offense…

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Wes Whitenack
3 years 6 months ago

Well looking at what Gio Gonzalez got, as an M’s fan, you’d assume it would be quite a large haul, which is pretty excited to see what we would get. Plus with Hultzen, Paxton and Walker in the wings, our pitching depth is solid.

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tommyhilfigure
3 years 6 months ago

rangers should trade dervish 4 lincecum or cane

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John McFadin
3 years 6 months ago

Someone please respond to this serious post.

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Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 6 months ago

They won the bidding for Dervish? Awesome! Jays still have a chance for Darvish!

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3 years 6 months ago

haha

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3 years 6 months ago

I see you’re trolling on all of the pages.

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Phillies_Aces35
3 years 6 months ago

Makes no sense for the Rangers if it’s just a one for one swap. One of Brandon Belt, Pill, or Buster Posey needs to be included.

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3 years 6 months ago

Not unless Sabean hates his job…

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JacksTigers
3 years 6 months ago

You know, in the ’30’s, they called this an Uncle Spinny Dervish

-Tom Tucker

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FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 6 months ago

I love when players can just be called by their first names. Like Edwin and Gio.
Way more fun.

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Joey Doughnuts
3 years 6 months ago

I like when my General Managers have faces.

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Vmmercan
3 years 6 months ago

This made me giggle one of those awkward giggles where it has a second wave to it after I thought I was done. Just thought I’d share.

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Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 6 months ago

He used to have a face, but then he took an arrow in the knee.

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FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 6 months ago

Thats sort of the point of my name. Im no GM, I’m just a faceless person who thinks i could run a franchise better than anyone just like a lot of people on here. I can say whatever i want and propose any trade i want, cuz I’m faceless.

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vtadave
3 years 6 months ago

I went to a few Arizona Fall League games and sat next to scouts while Hultzen was pitching. Let’s just say the consensus is that while he’s polished and could be in the big leagues quickly, he doesn’t have near the upside of a guy like Pineda, who the M’s should be building around barring some ridiculous offer.

When I say “ridiculous”, I’m talking Montero, Banuelos, and Betances.

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notsureifsrs
3 years 6 months ago

were the scouts talking about pineda too, or is that your comparison? i am not a huge fan of pineda personally