The Latest On Yoenis Cespedes And Jorge Soler

ESPN's Jerry Crasnick posted a must read feature on a pair of Cuban outfielders today, 26-year-old Yoenis Cespedes and 19-year-old Jorge Soler. You do not need Insider to view the article. Here's a roundup of the pertinent hot stove news…

  • Cespedes is moving closer to establishing residency in the Dominican Republic, which will then allow him to apply for free agency through MLB. His agent, Adam Katz of the Wasserman Media Group, declined to pinpoint a timetable for when that might happen.
  • "The buzz in baseball circles is that it will take north of $50 million to sign Cespedes," says Crasnick, who notes that estimates have climbed higher in recent weeks.
  • A large number of teams have expressed interest in signing Cespedes, and Crasnick says about two-thirds of those teams project him to play center field. The rest expect him to shift to right.
  • Some clubs have turned their attention to Soler as Cespedes' price climbs, but Pirates director of Latin American scouting Rene Gayo says Soler is "not in the same class."
  • "[Cespedes is] more likely to hit 30 homers than hit .300 and probably compares best to somebody like Cameron Maybin, but with more power if less range and speed," said one executive. "He's stronger and more stocky and may end up on an outfield corner in a few years, but for now he can play center field … For a club like the Yankees or Boston who can afford those investments, he makes some sense.''


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72 Comments on "The Latest On Yoenis Cespedes And Jorge Soler"


NatsTown
3 years 8 months ago

i kinda dont want him to get signed so that we can have a sequel to the highlight video

ARodinyourPujols
3 years 8 months ago

So he’s kinda, really nothing like Maybin?

EdinsonPickle
3 years 8 months ago

He’s exactly like Maybin except for all of those ways that he’s different.

NatsTown
3 years 8 months ago

He’s sorta like Roy Halladay, except he doesn’t pitch…but with greater power

EdinsonPickle
3 years 8 months ago

I don’t know about that. You may have to check your facts; Halladay did after all slug .149 last season.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

he’s a very confused man’s cameron maybin

parkdav
3 years 8 months ago

Haha

parkdav
3 years 8 months ago

Haha

williswinning
3 years 8 months ago

I think he matches up well with Maybin.  He will probably be an All-Star in the next two years.

FunkyTime
3 years 8 months ago

He’s an outfielder and he’s black.  Does anything else really matter?

FrankFranciscoSaysTakeASeat
3 years 8 months ago

That’s what you get when you ask a Padres executive to evaluate talent.

nestleraisinets
3 years 8 months ago

is this guy ready to hit in the mlb right away or does he need AAA time?

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

what the hell kind of comparison is that

3 years 8 months ago

 For a club like the Yankees or Boston who can afford those investments, he makes some sense. What is Crasnick an apologist for those two teams? I am quite certain the Phillies could afford Cespedes if they want him and so could the Blue Jays from what I hear. Also, if Angelos decided to open his check book, he could afford him too. The problem is the fanbase is in the crapper. I am unsure at this point as to what exactly is going to bring them back to the point when they are in the top 5 for attendance. As the team currently stands, this will not happen in 2012.

Yankees420
3 years 8 months ago

Those weren’t Casnick’s words, they were a quote from a source in the article.  

tomymogo
3 years 8 months ago

“You do not need Insider” thank you

3 years 8 months ago

Cespedes report sounds like BJ Upton, with little more power and less defense.  But completely unproven and could be a bust.

leachim2
3 years 8 months ago

Is BJ Upton a bust? Its hard to figure out.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

delmon young is a bust. upton is just a disappointment

leachim2
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah. He hasn’t lived up to his potential, but he’s still an above average major league center fielder. I just didn’t know if you would put him in the bust category.

johnsilver
3 years 8 months ago

“delmon young is a bust. upton is just a disappointment”

Tuesday 2-fer and it ain’t even Tuesday.. Both are busts in my book, or at least Upton has been since ’07

3 years 8 months ago

B.J. Upton was a top 50 position player last year with 4.1 fWAR.  Over the past 5 seasons, he is 33rd in fWAR with 20.1.  That is better than Crawford, Jeter, Pence and Kemp, among many others.  How exactly is this a bust?  He will be 27 next year and is just now entering his prime.  There is no way he is a bust or even a disappointment. 

MattCMoore
3 years 8 months ago

5 hrs in the postseason. Nuff said.

3 years 8 months ago

I’m not saying Upton’s a bust. But Cespedes can be BJ Uptonish player or just ends up AAAA player as Cuban league is not that trustworthy.

leachim2
3 years 8 months ago

I know. That question came into my mind when i read your post.

leachim2
3 years 8 months ago

I know. That question came into my mind when i read your post.

johnsilver
3 years 8 months ago

“Cespedes report sounds like BJ Upton, with little more power and less defense.  But completely unproven and could be a bust.”

I simply cannot resist with my disdain for BJ Upton…

A bust as in BJ Upton?????

3 years 8 months ago

What I am trying to say, is that Cespedes’s ceiling could be another BJ Upton or he could just ends up being AAAA player.

gradylittle
3 years 8 months ago

The team signing Cepedes will think that they’re signing a 26 year old, but wouldn’t be surprised if he’s in his early thirties. 

3 years 8 months ago

This.

hombre1
3 years 8 months ago

$50Million is way out of line for a prospect. You’d have to have more than faith in your scouting opinion

grownice
3 years 8 months ago

 How many people here want their respective teams to sign him more now after reading this? Just curious.

Josh Gedert
3 years 8 months ago

Ummmm… Mine.

Josh Gedert
3 years 8 months ago

Ummmm… Mine.

hombre1
3 years 8 months ago

No not at all. His asking price is way out of line. I don’t get the apparent feeding frenzy. I think the agent is good at doing his job

grownice
3 years 8 months ago

I agree the price is out of line but mannn they sure are doing a good job of selling him lol

hombre1
3 years 8 months ago

No not at all. His asking price is way out of line. I don’t get the apparent feeding frenzy. I think the agent is good at doing his job

Yankees420
3 years 8 months ago

At 50MM?  Nah, someone else can sign him.  But if comes down to the 30MM range, I’d like Cashman to be involved.  

shockey12
3 years 8 months ago

If a 106 mph fastball gets you 30M then Cespesdes’ bat must be the equivalent of a 150 MPH fastball. I heard a rumor that he used to strap Cuban children onto baseballs and send them across the gulf into Florida. And those were just bunts!

shockey12
3 years 8 months ago

If a 106 mph fastball gets you 30M then Cespesdes’ bat must be the equivalent of a 150 MPH fastball. I heard a rumor that he used to strap Cuban children onto baseballs and send them across the gulf into Florida. And those were just bunts!

JacksTigers
3 years 8 months ago

That was a horrible comparison and from watching the video (60 yards in 6.3 seconds), a horrible scouting report.

3 years 8 months ago

according to that flashy video i saw of him, his skillset includes: hitting BP homers, spitroasting pigs, box jumps, being buff.

gradylittle
3 years 8 months ago

He’s the kind of guy I would not want to share a gym with. 

Yankees420
3 years 8 months ago

“being buff.”

Made me laugh.

MattCMoore
3 years 8 months ago

Me too haha…

Tko11
Tko11
3 years 8 months ago

So the new CBA agreement doesnt have anything on the amount of money international free agents are allowed? But it limits the amount draftees can get…

3 years 8 months ago

It does limit what teams can spend internationally though, which will limit what these guys will be offered.
He’s coming over here either way though, whether it’s $50MM or just a high of $30MM.

3 years 8 months ago

It does limit what teams can spend internationally though, which will limit what these guys will be offered.
He’s coming over here either way though, whether it’s $50MM or just a high of $30MM.

Yankees420
3 years 8 months ago

“Although baseball’s new collective bargaining agreement restricts the
amount of money teams can spend on international signees, those rules
don’t apply to Cespedes. For the next two years, Cubans who are at least
23 years old and have three years of experience in a professional
league are exempt from any bonus limitations, with the rules subject to
negotiation and change after that.

Cespedes, 26, meets both requirements, so he’s free and clear to reach for the sky.”

From the article.

3 years 8 months ago

And Soler gets effed in the a.

You can only spend on average $3M on internationals.  The Royals gave Noel Arguelles way, way more than that.

Yankees420
3 years 8 months ago

Damn you Bud Selig!

Tko11
Tko11
3 years 8 months ago

I dont understand why hes exempt…and like the Jonas said below Soler isnt…ughh these agreements! I think they should add more restrictions for international free agents like require them to play in the minors for half a year or something.

Yankees420
3 years 8 months ago

“Although baseball’s new collective bargaining agreement restricts the
amount of money teams can spend on international signees, those rules
don’t apply to Cespedes. For the next two years, Cubans who are at least
23 years old and have three years of experience in a professional
league are exempt from any bonus limitations, with the rules subject to
negotiation and change after that.

Cespedes, 26, meets both requirements, so he’s free and clear to reach for the sky.”

From the article.

NatsTown
3 years 8 months ago

the more I read that comparison, the more I laugh

Joshua Edwards
3 years 8 months ago

It’s an old game: pretend you’re 26 when you’re 29. You’ll get three extra (profitable) years on your contract. 

People do this at bars every weekend, playing a few years younger. Think a person won’t do it when it could mean an extra $20 million?

I’m not accusing–I’m just saying that if we’re looking at a 26-year-old prospect with that much ability, why haven’t we been talking about him for the last four years? Or even last year? Why is he suddenly worth multi-millions now when he wasn’t a year ago?

We don’t talk about AAA “prospects” at the age of 26 in these terms. We certainly don’t give them $40-50 million contracts. 

A hitter at 26 is very likely to be the same hitter at 31. And if he’s never seen major league pitching, I pity the team that wastes $40-50 million to learn they have the most expensive platoon-player in baseball.

MattCMoore
3 years 8 months ago

Just watch most of the video. I say he gets 80 million to come to Detroit, and play OF for the Tigers, RB for the Lions, and PG for the Pistons.

Joshua Edwards
3 years 8 months ago

truly disappointing

shockey12
3 years 8 months ago

The sequels are never as good as the original

shockey12
3 years 8 months ago

The sequels are never as good as the original

grownice
3 years 8 months ago

 Cheaper , younger but not necessarily better

grownice
3 years 8 months ago

 Cheaper , younger but not necessarily better

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

#1 overall pick. 729 games. -0.2 rWAR. 1.7 fWAR

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

#1 overall pick. 729 games. -0.2 rWAR. 1.7 fWAR

3 years 8 months ago

A 1st overall pick who I believe was ranked the #1 prospect in all of baseball by Baseball America in 2006 who has a career WAR of 1.6 over 5+ seasons and is now 26 years old…

I would very much call him a bust.  Even if you are skeptical of the negative value assigned to him by UZR, nobody’s calling him a good defender and his bat has been less than mediocre as well.

3 years 8 months ago

Plus, he looks 10 years older than he really is

3 years 8 months ago

According to Fangraph, his career WAR is 19.8 and he managed 4+ WAR every year.

3 years 8 months ago

Delmon Young looks pretty old too.

MattCMoore
3 years 8 months ago

Lol! Juan Pierre has to wear his hat under his helmet to make it fit his small azz head!!!!

3 years 8 months ago

A #1 prospect in all of baseball who becomes a replacement level outfielder is certainly a bust in my mind.  Just because he’s playing in the majors doesn’t excuse him from “bust” status.

Bush and Bullington never received even close to the kind of hype that Young did.  They were both pretty criticized first round picks, chosen for their signability and not talent.

3 years 8 months ago

He’s talking about Young, not Upton.

3 years 8 months ago

To me, you’re only a bust if you never make it steadily into a starting lineup at the major league level, or you’re just a bench player that doesn’t see the field alot. He’s a decent player, but he could never live up to the expectations. It’s really not his fault that scouts were wrong about him. It’s not the first time.

3 years 8 months ago

But it’s not just that he couldn’t live up to the hype.  It’s that he’s just not good.  To use a previously mentioned example, B.J. Upton hasn’t lived up to the hype but is still a well above-average player.

Young will continue to get starting jobs for a while because teams are hoping to tap into that former potential.  Playing every day does not mean a player isn’t bad… they’ll get the memo eventually but it’ll take longer than your average nobody because of the former #1 pick tag.