AL East Notes: Yankees, Pineda, Red Sox, Rays

We've already rounded up some Orioles and Red Sox items this morning, but those aren't the only updates out of the AL East. Here are a few more:

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  1. I’m really looking forward to Pineda in pinstripes. I hope he does well. I’m going to miss Montero a lot, but at least they traded high on him and not for Danks or Gonzalez like some people had suggested.

    • TophersReds 4 years ago

      But, since Mat Latos is a product of Petco according to you in “Madson to sign with Reds,” wouldn’t that also make Pineda a product of Safeco?

      (Sorry, I couldn’t resist. :P)

      • Blah blah blah, I was wrong. First mistake I’ve ever made in my life. I think Pineda will be a very good pitcher. I sure hope Cashman made the right move. It’s okay, though. We will just sign Montero when he’s 28 after Tex’s deal is up.

        • slider32 4 years ago

          Don’t you think that they Yanks have charted every fly ball out at Safeco off of Pineda and projected that to Yankee stadium? All teams are doing this when signing pitchers. The problem is that pitching is the biggest variable in sports, so it is not an easy thing to analayze.

      • diesel2410 4 years ago

        I agree that he’s a product of Safeco. I thought it was foolish to trade your best hitting prospect for a pitcher in a hitter’s park. Pineda will struggle…like 4+ ERA

        • 15-7, 3.87 ERA, 202 IP, 203 ks.

          • diesel2410 4 years ago

            I think it will be around 14-11, 4.08 ERA, 185 IP, 198 Ks. Don’t get me wrong, still a solid line, and he still is very young

          • I’ll take that anyday from a 23 year old pitcher in Yankee Stadium. I’d take that from any pitcher on the Yankees’ staff not named Sabathia, lol.

          • you’re posting these numbers and saying that he would not improve. he’s only what? 22-23 yrs old? what makes you think that every pitcher that used to play in safeco or petco arent good enough? really? so what you’re saying is that if you’re a mariner pitcher then ou’re no good enough to play in any other team? please

          • diesel2410 4 years ago

            Woah woah woah, where did I say he wouldn’t improve? My point is that he WILL improve but not in his first year in the AL East. Yankee Stadium is much different than Safeco, as is the AL East

          • Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

            Pineda probably won’t improve unless/until he learns a 3rd above-average pitch. Two-pitch SP don’t do well for very long, i.e. Burnett (not to compare).

          • JacobyWanKenobi 4 years ago

            Burnett has like 6 pitches, they just all look the same on their way to the backstop.

          • MB923 4 years ago

            Burnett has more than 2 pitches

          • diesel2410 4 years ago

            Woah woah woah, where did I say he wouldn’t improve? My point is that he WILL improve but not in his first year in the AL East. Yankee Stadium is much different than Safeco, as is the AL East

          • Al_Oliver 4 years ago

            How about talking about his numbers vs. the AL East?

          • MB923 4 years ago

            How about talking small sample size

  2. SteelchucK 4 years ago

    Pineda gonna be tough

    • slider32 4 years ago

      Let’s by real hear, all Yankee pitchers have to do is pitch to a 4.00 ERA and they will win, with there pen you give up 3 runs in 5 innings you win most of the time.

      • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

        yeah but we expect more than someone who keeps us in the game. 

  3. Cashman, the deal is done so you can stop hyping up Montero. Even if Montero becomes a star and Pineda doesn’t become the eventual #1 starter, I still don’t think it’s a loss for NYY. Pineda comes into a hitter’s ball park, Montero isn’t a lefty (which the park favors), and you already have somewhat young catcher (Russell Martin) that hits well and most importantly, is great with the pitchers. If you didn’t have Russell Martin and slotted Montero into the catcher’s role, you’d be risking your pitching on a young catcher with defensive liabilities. And if you have Montero in the DH role with Martin as C, you’d be handcuffing your team by not having a roster spot for your aging financial burdens (A-Rod, Jeter). 

    You can’t acquire arms like Pineda and you’re going to pay more for free agent pitchers and get less.

    • What’s with all the hate on Jeter still? My God. He can still hit. He hit .300 last year. I guess stars can’t have bad years. Only time will tell who the deal works for.

    • “Montero isn’t a lefty (which the park favors)”

      Montero (like A-Rod) drives the ball to right center and that’s why it doesn’t matter that he’s a righty in Yankee Stadium.

      • Good point, but his power will be easier to find than Pineda’s performance. 

    • jjs91 4 years ago

      Its not hype its the truth

      • So, what is the clearer indication of a player’s future: Montero’s 61 MLB ABs in 2011 (.328/.406/.590) or Pineda’s 171 IP in 2011 to the tune of 3.74 ERA and a K/9 of 9.1? 

        Yankees need a strikeout pitcher in that ballpark. Not only to wow the fans, but to give the best shot of keeping the ball in the park. Pineda’s one of the best young arms that can do that that isn’t named Felix Hernandez. Considering NYY made a strong pitch for Hernandez again this year that supposedly included Montero, Betances, and Banuelos and didn’t land him…”settling” with an underpriced Pineda for Montero and NOT Banuelos or Betances is incredible. No, he’s not King Felx, but if you watched the first third of the 2011 season, Pineda looked better than Hernandez. Let’s just see what this 22-year-old can do with a better offense, a bigger platform, and a year of MLB experience under his belt.

        You have more to go off of with Pineda than Montero at the MLB level.

  4. UltimateYankeeFan 4 years ago

    Considering what Gio, Latos and Jimenez fetched for the previous teams.  Cashman stole Pineda.  Whether he settles in to be a solid #2 remains to be seen but whatever happens being able to acquire a not yet 23 year old with Pineda’s upside for even a very good DH (who let’s be honest has yet to prove himself in the field of battle) pretty much straight up doesn’t come along very often.  Montero will be missed sure, just like I’m sure Pineda will be missed in Seattle.  But the reality is Montero was pigeon holed with the Yankees.  There was/is place for him to play all he was ever going to be was a DH with the Yankees.  This way both players satisfy a need their new teams had.  It doesn’t get much better then that when 2 teams make a trade.

  5. I’m really anxious to see how the meeting with Sternberg and Foster is going to go. Would love to have the Rays on this side of the bay, and possibly bring another spring training team to St Pete.

  6. xthetouristx 4 years ago

    I’m curious how a right-handed flyballer will do in a park that encourages flyballs to travel instead of suppressing them.  Although the Yankees have the offense to give him 15 wins anyway, I’ll be surprised if, when pitching half his games in Yankee Stadium, his ERA is under 4.50.

    Especially since his secondary stuff against left-handed hitters is not even mediocre.

    • jjs91 4 years ago

      Safeco isnt that benificial to rhp, he had a higher hr rate on the road, and in general didnt give that much hrs.

  7. Paul Shailor 4 years ago

    The Red Sox dont need to match the moves by the Yankees because the Yankees were the ones matching moves with the red sox.

    “oh no the red sox have aaron cook and padilla quick get the mariners on the phone!!!”-Cashman

  8. jjs91 4 years ago

    I guess pineda is overrated now, amazing now that hes a yankee hes all hype.

  9. slider32 4 years ago

    You never really no how trades are going to turn out, the Tex trade was great for Texas, the Granderson trade was good for all teams involved, and the Santana trade was bad for the Twins, and questionable for the Mets. I would say that both teams got exactly what they needed in this trade, the Yanks pitching, and the Mariners got hitting.

  10. 王威評 4 years ago

    Lets say both players reach their potential, Pineda like 3.2-3.5 ERA, and Montero a .900 OPS DH/1B. 

    Who wins the trade??

    • MB923 4 years ago

      Neither. It’s even. And that’s what it is as of now.

    • SeaTownFan80 4 years ago

      A win win scenario I like the optimism is this I like the trade for 2 reasons one my team Seattle is obviously not going to sign Fielder so it gives a shot at adding some runs without giving up a whole lot. Pineda is awesome pitcher and a good kid but he is not going to give us runs. Montero if he lives up to his billing and Pineda does then both teams win

  11. Hahaha. First one I’ve ever made. I don’t know how to handle myself.

  12. jjs91 4 years ago

    Generally 22 year old rookies who put up a 3.44 fip arent overrated, so he only has two great pitches he’s 22 he can work on the change.

  13. slider32 4 years ago

    Jeter is an immortal, and they always make the playoffs.

  14. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I’m a Jeter fan but there is no way, in the world, I could see Girardi sitting Montero (if he wasn’t traded) so that Jeter could get some at bats. 

  15. Immortal…? You can continue shining Jeter’s legacy. I am just referring to limited range. Factor in the next few years with Jeter and/or A-Rod and you’ll have that DH locked up when presumably Nunez fills in. 

    Making the playoffs in NY with that budget isn’t going to cut it…especially when you have a Steinbrenner dying to prove to the world that it wasn’t nepotism that he inherited the team.

  16. UltimateYankeeFan 4 years ago

    Isn’t that pretty much what I said in total and specifically with the comment.  “…
    the reality is Montero was pigeon holed with the Yankees”. “…
    all he was ever going to be was a DH with the Yankees”. 

    I have to say though looking at what the other teams gave up to get Latos, Gio and Jimenez and what Epstein wanted from the Yankees for Garcia.  The Yankees did steal Pineda.  I’m just being objective and it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a good trade for both teams as I said in my earlier comment.

  17. I’m an objective fan with no ties to any of the teams you mentioned and I’ll agree that what Pineda cost in Montero and Noesi wasn’t anything compared to what Latos and others fetched. And Pineda shows the most upside of any including Gonzalez, Latos, and Jimenez. 

  18. Give me 1 SP in the Yankees rotation that has even 1 great pitch not named CC.

  19. jjs91 4 years ago

    Pineda, im also not sure why this is important, but whatever kuroda arguebably has a great fastball as well, as only beachy has missed bats with it, nova slider can be a great pitch as is his curve on some ocasions im sure it was plus last year though. Im not really sure i get the point of this anyway betances may have more great pitches than nova but still wouldnt be the better pitcher right now.

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