Reactions To The Prince Fielder Signing

Scott Boras did it again. Just when it looked like the market for Prince Fielder had slowed late in the offseason, Boras got his prized client the fourth richest contract in baseball history. The Tigers agreed to sign the slugger to a nine-year contract worth $214MM today, giving them the most devastating 3-4 lineup tandem in the game. Here's a recap of what's been said about the deal…

  • "In some sense, I'm glad he got a good contract that he's satisfied with. We knew early on that we probably weren't going to be in it. I think Prince probably knew that, too," said Brewers GM Doug Melvin to MLB.com's Adam McCalvy. Melvin confirmed they hadn't had serious extension talks with Fielder since Spring Training of 2010, and he credited the slugger with helping the team get back to being contenders.
  • Rival executives told Joel Sherman of The New York Post that they think the signing came from ownership, not GM Dave Dombrowski (Twitter link). He says deals for other Boras clients — Johnny Damon, Ivan Rodriguez, and Magglio Ordonez — happened the same way. Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports heard that owner Mike Illitch influenced the signing "100%" (Twitter link).
  • The Nationals and a mystery team were strongly in on Fielder, reports Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (Twitter links). The Mariners, meanwhile, told teams they didn't have money to spend on a hitter of Prince's caliber, which is why they traded for Jesus Montero according to Sherman.
  • Andrew Baggarly of The Mercury News says (on Twitter) that the Giants were never really in on Fielder.
  • ESPN's Keith LawDave Cameron of FanGraphs, and SI.com's Cliff Corcoran agree that Fielder will improve the Tigers in the short-term, but the last few years of the contract could be messy.


161 Responses to Reactions To The Prince Fielder Signing Leave a Reply

  1. philly_red 3 years ago

    Am I wrong in thinking this came about mostly because of Victor Martinez’s injury? It’s hard to imagine another team taking on that kind of contract, despite their needs. Even the Nationals seemed to be waiting for the price tag to come down.

  2. CyYoungSuppan 3 years ago

    Waiting to see how both the big 1B contracts turn out towards the end will be quite intriguing.  Unless you’re a Tigers or Angels fan, of course. 

  3. Pawsdeep 3 years ago

    This signing has illitch all over it.

    He wants a WS so bad, he has almost no regard for money. He understands he has a 3 year window in which he has the best hitter and pitcher in the game today and is willing to give whatever it takes to give them a more than stellar supporting cast. I love this move by illitch. It puts them all in; and his timing isnt that bad. If the tigers are looking at a three year window, then imagine the devastation when their 3-4-5 hitters are mig, prince, and vmart.

    The only players that will be rotating in the next 3 years are some supporting utility guys and some bullpen arms. The staff and core are locked in. This was a good signing; an overpay, sure. But if the guy who spends the money doesn’t care, then neither do I.

    • Matt 3 years ago

      By best hitter you better mean Cabrera.

      • Pawsdeep 3 years ago

        Correct.

        And prince would be ‘supporting cast’. And if prince isnt the best hitter in a lineup, and it’s my team, I’m a happy camper. A very happy camper.

        • Matt 3 years ago

          Absolutely. Cabrera’s hitting ability is profound. I’d probably pick about 15 hitters over Fielder for now and the future. However as your second best hitter… Watch out.

          • Pawsdeep 3 years ago

            Could argue third best when vmart returns…

          • FunkyTime 3 years ago

            No … you really can’t.

          • Pawsdeep 3 years ago

            Lifetimes:

            .303/.370/.469/.840 to .282/.390/.540/.929

            Youre right. BBBBUUUUUUTTTTT, any lineup where vmart is your THIRD best hitter….

          • Philip Marlowe 3 years ago

            Agreed – that’s just absurd. The Tigers have long been my favorite AL team, and it killed me to see them lose to the Cardinals in ’06. I really hope the Prince signing works out for them long-term.

          • InLeylandWeTrust 3 years ago

            Nope. Fielder>>>>Vmart

        • jimi_flyingTigers 3 years ago

          ============================================
          And if prince isnt the best hitter in a lineup, and it’s my team, I’m a happy camper. A very happy camper.
          ============================================

          I’ve devoured every article and video since this was announced and that statement summed up the entire day. I think you’re right. We’ll have a fun ride for 3 years and then…who knows? Right now I don’t care. Go Tigers!

          • Red_Line_9 3 years ago

            It should be a good 3 years, but after that I really feel Kansas City will need to be reckoned with.  They are building an organization that has all the makings of an Atlanta like sustained run. But…so many things happen…a good day to be a Tigers fan.

          • Pawsdeep 3 years ago

            No arguements here. KC will soon be scary good. Which is why I’m stoked they are going all in now.

            I feel like it is going to be almost obligatory of DD to trade turner of he doesn’t have an immediate contribution after spring training.

          • jimi_flyingTigers 3 years ago

            Ha, I don’t forget about KC. They have a hell of a good young team and I think they will make a run at the central this year but they just won’t have a rotation to keep up. Let’s not forget the rotation the Tigers have. This pitching staff(the minor league young guys too) with this lineup for the next few years will be great.

      • griffister 3 years ago

        Another Dream Team.  

    • Holy crap, he traded for Jose Bautista and Roy Halladay?!

      • JacksTigers 3 years ago

        Verlander is better than Halladay and Cabrera is better than Bautista, in my opinion.

        • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

          Cabrera yes.

          Verlander, not yet atleast. the potentials there.. but Verlander needs to have another 5 or 6 good seasons before we can say he’s better that Doc

          • Pawsdeep 3 years ago

            He’s better than doc right now. Verly is on the up and doc is going down the other side of the hill. No disrespect to Halladay, but verlander isn’t 35 and on the back end of his career.

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            but Doc has a better year than Verlander last year, so how does that work?

            and ofcourse going forward you take the younger JV..thats obvious. 

            but if the argument is then best young pitcher in baseball, do we not look to kershaw then?

          • Amakiir 3 years ago

            No, Verlander clearly had a better year last year.  He outperformed Halladay in almost every category.  All except walks and homeruns, basically.

          • Keith Richards 3 years ago

            What are you smoking?  You can’t just throw out nicknames and expect us to gobble up your bs.  Can you say MVP?  Halladay didn’t win the NL MVP, did he?

          • Philip Marlowe 3 years ago

            No he didn’t. But Jeter won the Gold Glove. My point being, of course, that awards are mostly meaningless.

          • The_Silver_Stacker 3 years ago

            Jeter is a very good fielder, terrible example.

          • Philip Marlowe 3 years ago

            He certainly *was* a very good fielder, but according to UZR, his defense has dropped off a cliff in the past couple of years, including 2010, when he posted a -5.4 UZR and still won a Gold Glove.

          • The_Silver_Stacker 3 years ago

            Well if you want to bring range into play, I will admit Jeter is below average in that regard.  Jeter fields the balls he get to very well and rarely cost the Yankees games with his defense.  I just go by what I see on the field.

          • Guest 3 years ago

            yet roy halladay had a much better year than verlander last year..

            thanks for coming out.. if you want to big boy talk, try to keep up son

          • Stuart Brown 3 years ago

            Look, I’m a Tigers fan too but if you think Halladay is spiraling downward I don’t know what you’re looking at. Sure he’s getting *older*, but he has been getting better since 2007. The man’s unbelievable.

      • Last time I checked, Halladay hadn’t won an MVP AND a Cy Young in the same year. Hall of Famer for sure. Best in the NL, definitely. Best in the game? Arguable.
        And Cabrera might not be the best hitter in the game – but he’s definitely better than Bautista.

        • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

          Omg halladay didn’t win an MVP an CY Young in the same year what a bum!!!

          seriously, who cares about awards. I bet you JV barely cares either, only one thing matters, the last game of the world series.

        • jv 2011= 17-1 v. al central & N.L. Halladay career vs. AL east 66-37 19 cgs. do it against the al east and we’ll talk. halladay career vs tigers 12-2 2.19 era 6 cg 4 shutouts!! jv got the mvp b/c of injuries to bautista on may 7th- ( .357ba .530 obp and 1.292 ops at the time (bye-bye no hitter)) and injuries in the second half 12 hr after asg 31 before!!

      • TWWxKeys 3 years ago

              Miguel Cabrera    >      Jose Bautista
        .344/ 30 HR/ 105 RBI    .302/ 43 HR/ 103 RBI
          Justin Verlander     >     Roy Halladay
        24-5/ 2.40/ 251 IP      19-6/ 2.35/ 233 IP

        • InLeylandWeTrust 3 years ago

          Cabrera is obviously a magnificent hitter, but Bautista has been the better offensive player the past 2 seasons, with Miggy coming in #2. And also, I would take Halladay over Verlander

        • IndianaBob 3 years ago

          Miguel Cabrera 2011 WAR 7.3 < Jose Batista WAR 8.3

          Thanks for playing.

          • JacksTigers 3 years ago

            That takes defense and speed into account. This is the best hitter debate.

            Thanks for playing.

      • hahahaha… bautista is no where near the threat cabrera is. quote as many meaningless stats as you want, 100% of the owners in the league would take cabrera over bautista. you cant just look at one number and sum it up and say oh hes better. put bautista on any other team and any other field and hes just a normal everyday power hitter, nothing special. the reason he walks so much (which artificially inflates his % stats) is because no one else on the team can hit. who cares if he can hit a home run, cabrera is a real hitter.

        holladay is definitely at the top of the heap but jv has earned his spot up there too, in shorter time. hes 27 you cant tell me you would take holladay at this point in his career over jv.

    • So Fielder plays first, and Cabrera DHs and V-Mart plays??? There is no way Cabrera goes back to third, and no way V-mart catches for any significant period of time. V-Mart is a trade candidate not an everyday player

      • Pawsdeep 3 years ago

        Well see. I’ll take aramis aramis type defense from Cabrera at third in trade to have those three bats in the lineup. I’d do that gladly.

    • PushDown 3 years ago

      Ehh… I don’t know about best pitcher.

  4. 55saveslives 3 years ago

    Of course Giants aren’t interested, his fastball sucks!!!

    • Keith Richards 3 years ago

      ..and Lincecum’s isn’t as good as Verlander’s!  =P

      • Actually it was just as good when he came up.  He was throwing 101 all the time and that was a two seemer.  Righetti told him, like Cain, to back off their fastballs for control.  Both can reach back to 97, but choose not to.  I wouldn’t argue that Verlander had better year than Lincecum, but Tim could throw 100 if he wanted to.

  5. Illitch has said he’d trade all his Stanley Cups for a WS title and he’s hoping he just bought the last piece to one.

    • JacksTigers 3 years ago

      Never heard that before.

      • FunkyTime 3 years ago

        I’ve heard it before.  A quote from years back.

        • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

          source?
          i doubt he would say that publicly

          • “He told me once that he would gladly sacrifice some — but not all —
            of his Stanley Cups for one ticker-tape parade celebrating a Tigers
            championship.”

            MLBTR won’t let me share the link, but go to freep dot com and click on the Drew Sharp story with the headline: ”
            Prince Fielder makes a lot of sense for Tigers in 2012, but not beyond”

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            well thats a lot different than what you just said isn’t it??

            you were misleading

        • JacksTigers 3 years ago

          He is the King of Hockeytown. He would never say that and I’ve never heard it.

          • InLeylandWeTrust 3 years ago

            He’s said he would trade a few, but not all

  6. Hoosierdaddy92 3 years ago

    People need to remember there isn’t a slugger nearly as good as Fielder hitting the market next year. The year after, Youkilis and Wright are already on big-market teams and have serious injury risks and age concerns. Votto is going to have many suitors. The Dodgers and Mets will most likely go after him with deeper pockets. The timing of the VMart injury just gave the Tigers the reason necessary to jump on it and go after a perennial All-star.

    • LUWahooNatFan 3 years ago

      Josh Hamilton just gave you the bird

      • Matt 3 years ago

        And in the process hurt himself… I really like him and his story, but he is as fragile glass.

      • Hoosierdaddy92 3 years ago

        Very valid point. As Matt mentioned below me, he is extremely injury prone. Additionally, after missing out on Prince Fielder, I find it highly unlikely Texas doesn’t resign him. But I have been wrong before. However, you are right, he is an elite hitter who would have fit the Tigers’ needs in LF in 2013 (hoping we don’t resign Delmon and overpay).

      • Hamilton won’t hit the FA market now.

  7. LUWahooNatFan 3 years ago

    Nationals fans reaction: Thank god we didn’t pull another Werth..

    • Guest 3 years ago

      Nationals fans reaction five minutes after yours: We’ll trade you Werth + $122mm for Prince Fielder. 

      Just saying…

    • Lanidrac 3 years ago

      Sorry again.

  8. JohnnyC 3 years ago

    Uncontrolled spending like this is ruining baseball. The other teams in their division can’t compete with billionaires like Illitch who just throw their checkbooks around. I’m hoping Bud Selig can void this deal and force Fielder to re-sign with the Brewers, where he belongs. For the best interests of the game.

    • InLeylandWeTrust 3 years ago

      Do you not realize that pretty much every owner is a billionaire? Don’t blame Illitch for actually wanting to WIN A TITLE, and investing a ton of his personal wealth into his product. Blame your own owner, not MLB.

      • Lanidrac 3 years ago

        Every owner is a millionaire but only a few are billionaires.

    • there are plenty of things that bud should do in the best interest of the game and this isn’t one of them

    • $3513744 3 years ago

      Yes, we all know how the game is in ruins.  Those poor owners.

    • Jakmagic 3 years ago

      As a Brewer fan, for that kind of cash the Tigers can keep him! He isn’t worth that contract. I personally think he is worth maybe 5yrs 19 million per year. The Tiger may have made themselves better for a couple of years, but their defense just took a major blow if Fielder is at 1B and Miggy at 3B. I don’t see Fielder putting up nearly the numbers he has if he is moved to DH. History tells us that! 24 million for a DH is staight up crippling! Adding I still don’t see the Tigers coming out of the AL to the world series. Rangers, Angels, Red Sox, and prolly even the Yankees are more poised to come out of the AL. I will miss seeing him mash balls in Miller Park, but not at that price! What does that signing say for the future of Miggy? Miggy is way more valuable than Fielder! I can’t see the Tigers paying Miggy after this signing.

      • InLeylandWeTrust 3 years ago

        This shouldn’t impact Miggy. There is no way they would be that shortsighted to push Cabrera out the door when his deals up…at least I hope.

      • YODA777 3 years ago

        Are you myopic or what.  Fielder will play 1b and Miggy will play 3b with Young as the DH. 

        • Jakmagic 3 years ago

          Well let’s see what the future holds when the Tigers infield produces more errors than anyone in MLB having Fielder at 1B and Miggy at 3B! Then after that happens VMart returns from his injury. Then what happens?

          • verlander 3 years ago

            Maybe they trade VMart and put Cabrera at DH.

    • PushDown 3 years ago

      You were one of those who emailed David Stern asking him to void the Chris Paul trade to the Lakers weren’t you? Don’t lie now…

    • YODA777 3 years ago

      Even with this signing, the Tigers payroll is still below quite a few teams.  They had $23 million coming off of the books so I bet their payroll is still under $125 million.  Now, go trade Turner for Garza and World Series here we come.  I dont think even JL can mess this up, unless he trys to sit Fielder and play Raburn at first lol 

    • BrandonSain 3 years ago

      “I’m hoping Bud Selig can void this deal”
      Go watch Basketball.

    • verlander 3 years ago

      This is the funniest thing I’ve seen on this site in a while.

      You /are/ joking, right?

    • melonis_rex 3 years ago

      This contract isn’t ruining baseball. Bud Selig is (trying to).

    • harmony55 3 years ago

      Last season the Tigers won their first divisional title since Michael Ilitch bought the team in 1992. Detroit has made only two postseason appearances over that span and finished as high as second in its division only four times.

      Other teams have competed.

  9. Casor_Greener 3 years ago

    Like I said before, “Ilitch has guts” and for that I respect him.  It may hurt them in the long run, but like a great economist once said “We all die in the long run”, “we’re all dead” same thing

    • LUWahooNatFan 3 years ago

      Debbie Downer over here

    • FunkyTime 3 years ago

      If it helps them for the next 6 years and then hurts them for the last 3 is it really hurting them in the long run?

    • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

      that economist lost his personal fortune in the market crash of ’29. nothin’ great about him

    • Lanidrac 3 years ago

      The thing is that Ilitch is over 80 years old.  He wants a title while he can still enjoy it, and he might be dead by the time Fielder becomes vastly overpaid.

  10. Pawsdeep 3 years ago

    The tigers payroll still will be under 130 mil after collecting money on VMarts insurance, barring they doesn’t sign anyone else. 130 isn’t that outrageous.

    • Keith Richards 3 years ago

      In order for them to collect, does he have to be ruled out for the entire year/post-season?

      • Pawsdeep 3 years ago

        I believe it is depending upon the percentage of games as to what the insurance pays out.

        If Vmart doesn’t play a game this year my math had tigers opening day payroll at 119.2 million, if all my information was accurate and granted the don’t add any more payroll; which they could still do with relative ease. I’m not sure where people are getting off on what the tigers are spending. Their payroll is very reasonable when you look at the names on the roster.

  11. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    I dont know about this.. I mean, I like that the Tigers are being aggresive and trying to improve an already strong club.. but I feel like so much of this stemmed from vmarts injury..

    I mean wouldnt the tigers have been better off overpaying for a Jose Reyes, Beltran,  Ramirez, or Wilson? 

    • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

      they’d have been better off paying for all four of them

    • Take away the Reyes injury bug that bites him year after year, and I would have MUCH rather had Reyes than Fielder.

      • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

        for the simple fact that he’s much cheaper and you don’t have to ask your best player to move positions

        • InLeylandWeTrust 3 years ago

          Cabrera actually wants to play 3rd, and thinks he’s capable though. And from a fan perspective, I’m psyched out of my mind to see Miggy and Fielder together.

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            I hadn’t heard that about miggy.. Yah I don’t want to rain on anyones parade, I think its going to be awesome to watch the Tigers for years to come. congrats.
            I will definetely coming down to Detroit to check out some games this year

          • verlander 3 years ago

            A Venezuelan writer (I think) had quotes from Cabrera saying he was excited about Fielder coming to the team, and he would go back to third, which was his old position.

  12. Mike P 3 years ago

    Close your eyes for just a second and pretend this was a old fashioned Steinbrenner signing.  Just imagine the our rage and the cries of the small market teams… 

    This is EXACTLY the same thing, yet where is the rampant outrage?  It’s funny how when the Yankees do anything they’re buying a championship and ruining the sport…

    • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

      Detroits payroll last year was 105 mill and Yankees was 200+

      how is this the EXACT same thing..?

    • $3513744 3 years ago

      Oh that’s right, who still has the highest payroll?

    • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

      you guys have it pretty rough

    • FunkyTime 3 years ago

      This is the biggest signing the Tigers have ever made.  It’s not a yearly event for us to get one of the top 2 free agents.

      Let us enjoy it.

    • ilikeike29 3 years ago

      Because this is the smaller market team giving out the large contract.

    • NYPOTENCE 3 years ago

      When are you going to learn to block out what other people think. Of course we’re going to take criticism because we have been the team with the largest payroll for quite some time. What would rather be, A fan of a good franchise that does not take lots of criticism or a fan of the best franchise which will be scrutinized?

      • $3513744 3 years ago

        Couldn’t have said it better. Besides the typos of course 😉

      • Tko11 3 years ago

        Have you been talking to Rex Ryan?

    • verlander 3 years ago

      If the Tigers did this sort of thing every year or so, maybe you’d have a point.

  13. daner51 3 years ago

    If the Tigers win a World Series in the next two years, none of this chatter will mean the slightest.  Tiger fans are salivating over the prospect of a starting staff in 2013 that will (hopefully) include Jacob Turner, Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Doug Fister and Rick Porcello.  If Cabrera can manage to not embarrass himself too much over at 3b, this might not be too awful.  People are comparing these Tigers to the 90’s BoSox. I don’t think Boston had quite as good a pitching staff then, as Detroit does now.  Team owner Mike Illitch has worked so hard to get this team where it is.  He’s pretty old, and he’s a for real Tiger fan.  He even played a little minor league baseball in the Tigers minor league system back when Honus Wagner was an All-Star (ok not really but close).  He’s going all in.  I respect him for it.  As a life-long Tiger fan myself, all I want is for my beloved Tigs to win a World Series sometime in the near future.  I want to see Verlander hoisting that trophy over his head, in an Old English D, not a Sox (either kind) or (gag) Yankee uniform!  ’nuff said.

    • Pawsdeep 3 years ago

      +1

    • Redbirds16 3 years ago

      Cubbie fans said the same thing after the Soriano signing, knowing it probably wasn’t the best long-term, but the shot at the title was worth it. I personally have no problem with owners realizing they have a window to contend and taking their opportunity while it’s there to be had. As much as people can hate these contracts, it’s part of the cost of winning. Not every team can compete year after year.

      • Keith Richards 3 years ago

        lol, did you just compare Fielder to Soriano?  Fail.

      • Lanidrac 3 years ago

        At least Fielder’s contract will be up when he’s 36. The Cubs are stuck paying Soriano (or at least most of his salary) until he’s 38. It’s especially better than paying a guy $30M at age 41.

      • Lanidrac 3 years ago

        At least Fielder’s contract will be up when he’s 36. The Cubs are stuck paying Soriano (or at least most of his salary) until he’s 38. It’s especially better than paying a guy $30M at age 41.

        Besides, the Cubs weren’t that great even when they signed Soriano.

  14. formerdraftpick 3 years ago

    My reaction to the Prince Fielder signing…I went food shopping.  

    • thegrayrace 3 years ago

      It’ll be something you remember for the rest of your life, like where you were on September 11th…

  15. hawkny1 3 years ago

    some knee jerking thoughts…
    …ticket prices in Detroit are gonna skyrocket…..Detroit will lead the MLB in infield errors in 2012….The Tigers will increase their average runs/pergame/ to 6+ and,   runs/pergame/given up to 6+ …go figure!…The Prince will now be making Mitt Romney type money.  I hope he pays his fair   share in taxes..   

    • Ahhh politics…..
      Mike Ilitch might have lost his mind and Scott Boras helped him to do so, but Mike is paying for this himself and he will not raise ticket prices!
      The people that surround Mike need to take a little bit more care in allowing those who are allowed to get through to Ilitch and those who don’t.

    • verlander 3 years ago

      They already raised ticket prices this year. Can they raise prices again?

  16. creelgoe 3 years ago

    Here’s what i’m thinking. In 2013 we got Cabrera, Martinez and Fielder. Which means Miggy has to play third. In that case we either have to keep Constanellos down in the minors or we could deal him. So why not deal him, Turner and maybe someone else this year for Garza to fill that fifth spot in the rotation. With Cabrera and Fielder and a rotation that includes Verlander,  Fister and Garza the pennant is as good as ours

    • Philip Marlowe 3 years ago

      I would take that deal in a heartbeat. I suspect the Theo Trio would too.

  17. nats2012 3 years ago

    A nine year contract for that much money had to go to an Amarican League team. I think Fielder will be great for the Tigers and Im just glad Washington was in the mix, still showing they have money to spend. Now use the money on the young players we have like Zimmerman, Espinosa, Strasburg, Harper, Ramos, Zimmermann and the rest of the young core in the future. Congrats to the Tigers, you guys will be fun to watch.

  18. FS54 3 years ago

    victor gets injured, mystery team enters PF sweepstakes, and boras gets his man’s worth and more…

  19. Dave Bara 3 years ago

    “The Mariners, meanwhile, told teams they didn’t have money to spend on a hitter of Prince’s caliber…”

    But apparently we have money to spend on crappy, over-the-hill pitchers like Oliver Perez and Kevin Milwood.

    • harmony55 3 years ago

      Are you comparing the minor league contracts of Kevin Millwood and Oliver Perez to the $214 million contract of Prince Fielder?

  20. verlander 3 years ago

    If the Tigers get just one World Series out of this, I will be happy regardless of how ugly this deal looks by years 5-6.

  21. Vote4DougWilson 3 years ago

    I’m not so worried about the defense as others. Strong up the middle right? Well Cabby at 3b will be an adventure so infield corners are weak. But the SS/2b tandem of Peralta and Santiago is pretty solid and sure-handed, if limited in range. Avila’s a great young catcher, and Ajax is a future lock for Gold Gloves in CF. That’s a strong middle. Boesch can handle RF in CoPa and will be a nice upgrade from Maggs of years past, and Cabby at 3b frees up Delmon to DH… allowing room for a nice defensive upgrade in LF (Pierre? Cespedes? Kelly?). So really 3b will be the only glaring defensive weakness in this revamped setup, and the depth it gives the lineup is more than enough to offset how much that’s going to hurt.

    • Pawsdeep 3 years ago

      You just hit the nail on the head

      I was wondering if they just throw Cabrera right at 3b and then go sign a LFer like Pierre or Damon. Another thought I had, was mortgage the farm for a legit second basemen(all in, right?) move raburn to right, boesch to left and allow delmon to DH until vmart comes back. There are still options and opening day payroll is right at 120 mil with VMarts insurance(if my math is right). I don’t think Detroit is totally done with their offseason yet because there is still wiggle room

      I hope they don’t walk on eggshells from here out. Go bold because soft stepping at this point can only hurt.

      • Hoosierdaddy92 3 years ago

        IMO MCab should not play 3b unless he has too. 3b is an extremely demanding position and he’s years removed from it. The last thing they need is for him to get injured playing a position when he could be DH-ing. They should transition him slowly this season, a few games here and there, but mainly play him at DH this season. 2013 try him as the full-time 3b for half the season and see how he does. Hopefully VMart can prove himself healthy in the first half of 2013 and regain trade value. If MCab can’t handle 3b full-time defensively in half a season of 2013, they can hopefully trade VMart for a significant piece or two by then (unless they resign both Young and Peralta after 2012, 2b, SS, and LF should be open spots for upgrades). Then they can bring up Nick Castellanos to finish the season at 3b. If MCab surprises and can manage the hot corner well, obviously then they can hold on to VMart for the remainder of the contract.
         
        A lot of this is riding on whether or not VMart comes back healthy, which is actually a significant question. A torn ACL at age 33 is very difficult to come back from. With all the wear-and-tear he absorbed as a catcher all those years, I am worried he may struggle to stay healthy in those last two seasons. If he can’t stay healthy in 2013, there’s nothing wrong with continuing to play MCab and Fielder at 1b/DH and waiting for Castellanos to take 3b long-term. If VMart CAN show a full-recovery in the first half of 2013, he should have solid trade value again for any team looking for a 1b/DH for 2013 and 2014. They could land a piece they really need for him (leadoff-hitter, 2b come to mind). The Tigers could then bring up Castellanos to play 3b midseason. With Castellanos up, in 2013 you basically have the same team as this 2012, but instead of Inge/Kelly at 3b, you have Castellanos and Peralta/Young are the only two starters who might not return after next season.

        Ideally I’d like them to keep MCab and Prince at DH and 1b for the majority of their career. You can’t risk high priced All-Star offense at demanding positions like 3b in my opinion.

  22. Marinersforever71 3 years ago

    Brandon Inge can be a liable first baseman or DH for the Mariners by packaging him to Seattle for young pitchers James Paxton, Shawn Kelley, and infielder Chone Figgins (then send Figgins to San Diego Padres for Will Venable). This trade will help all three teams on the needs of offense (Cabrera and Venable), defense (Figgins), and pitching. Shawn Kelley can help out in the bullpen for a while in the Tigers uniform since he’s still young.

  23. weaselpuppy 3 years ago

    Why trade Castellanos when he will be ready EXACTLY when VMart’s contract runs out and Cabby goes to DH? PLus they need young cost controlled guys if they have $65mm tied up in 3 guys. And you don’t trade 6 years of Turner and 6 Yeras of Castellanos, your top 2 prospects , for 2 years and $120m more in Garza, who is a 2/3 starter in the AL…they already have 2 guyslike that in Scherzer and Fister….

    Smyly and a A ball arm or hitter for Daniel Murphy is the magic move…get your 2b filled for 4 years and get a good OB% on in front of the 3-4-5-6 of MC prince VMart and Avila…

    The long term payroll is fine, they will retain their 3 studs, a 2nd starter and the core non studs of Avila Jackson and Boesch long term for the same salary range of the past 3 years of $115-$133m…with more revenue….they just have to get 2 starters, a closer, Castellanos and either a SS or 2b out of the minors in the next 4 years….

  24. Lanidrac 3 years ago

    Yeah, I’ll give Cabrera and Fielder the title of best 3-4 tandem, but if Berkman has another healthy year, he and Holliday aren’t far behind for my Cardinals (assuming Beltran bats either 2nd or 5th).

  25. InLeylandWeTrust 3 years ago

    I’m really intrigued to see other teams offers. I’l feel much better if other teams were somewhat close.

  26. CyYoungSuppan 3 years ago

    Because seeing a team you support pay over $20MM for a player that may not age well towards the end of those contracts could be interesting to see how they handle it.  And ask how Giants fans feel about Zito.  Ask Cubs fans how they feel about Soriano.  Hence, “unless you’re a Tigers or Angels fan…”.  Sure, the first portion could be quite good, but then if they decline, many fans will be frustrated.  And what does your last statement have to do with anything I said?  Having that much money tied up could prevent a much needed piece from being signed during those years.    

  27. Casor_Greener 3 years ago

    Has Zito stopped the Giants from competing? Didn’t the Cubs still have money for other signings? So these contracts werent so crippling.

  28. InLeylandWeTrust 3 years ago

    Nope there isn’t an opt out

  29. I doubt the Jays were the mystery club.  I thought 7 years was long term.

  30. CyYoungSuppan 3 years ago

    And to say these won’t be is a little premature, no?  Hence me saying INTRIGUING.  It will be intriguing to see how these play out.  Why is that so hard to comprehend?  The examples I gave show that fans can get upset over bad contracts.  Again…hence me saying unless you’re a fan of those two teams.  IF The Giants didn’t sign Zito, maybe they could have put in more pieces to make another run.  IF the Cubs didn’t sign Soriano, maybe they could have gotten more pieces to make any type of run at all.  Who cares if they made more signings?  That one prevented others from happening.  Pretty simple.

  31. Philip Marlowe 3 years ago

    No, neither Zito nor Soriano have kept the Cubs/Giants from competing (remember, it was only a couple years ago when the Cubs were perennial playoff contenders. Sigh…)

    But, it can’t be denied that neither player is even close to worth the enormous contract that bears his signature. 

  32. PushDown 3 years ago

    HAHA! Totally forgot about that. I remember the his agent saying a decision could be expected “at any moment” or something like that. Wasn’t that two or three days ago?

  33. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    thats terrible compararison..

    Tigers were a playoff team WITHOUT fielder..

  34. JacksTigers 3 years ago

    The Brewers did the same thing as the Tigers last year with Braun and Prince while we did it with Cabrera and Martinez. We lost Martinez but Prince is better. So we improved. Your logic has bullet holes in it.

  35. creelgoe 3 years ago

    also the brewers had pretty good pitching but they didn’t have Verlander and Fister. No doubt Grienke and Gollardo are good but no one compare’s to Verlander. Plus i’d argue Miggy is better than Braun

  36. verlander 3 years ago

    Tigers might not win it all, but at least they’re taking a shot.

  37. YODA777 3 years ago

    We still have the Leyland factor to deal with, but with the addition of Fielder it makes the roster that much more Leyland proof.

  38. Vote4DougWilson 3 years ago

    The Tigers have more than Cabby/Prince and their rotation is better than decent.

  39. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    so all those years the tigers didn’t sniff the playoffs but Miggy was awesome didn’t count?

    lol you people make me laugh .

  40. Red_Line_9 3 years ago

    I believe the Angels, atleast, are playing in a different financial realm than the Giants.  Some of these new TV deals are creating some serious cash flow.

  41. Nick Sossamon 3 years ago

    I’m sure the Angels will have no problem gaining marketing cash from Pujols in the hispanic mecca of the United States, Southern California.  Arte Moreno is a marketing mastermind, he obviously knows what he’s getting himself into.  The Angels have been selling tons of season tickets not only for regular season 2012, but for freaking Spring Training 2012 because of this deal.

    But yes, it will be intriguing that the Pujols contract has literally zero effect on us being competitive in the future.  People said the same thing about the Vernon Wells contract, yet we grabbed both Wilson and Pujols and are on the verge of billions from a new television contract.  The cash flows in the Los Angeles media market; I’m sure the Dodgers will be a testament to that as well once their ownership is stabilized and their payroll reaches Yankee levels.

    Comparing the Angels to a team like San Francisco is pretty much baseless.  

  42. skandy1 3 years ago

    hence shmence…remember Adam Dunn!!

  43. Castellanos at 3B in 2013, Cabrera in the outfield, Prince at 1st, V-Mart at DH. There you go.

  44. Philip Marlowe 3 years ago

    I could see V-Mart going back to Boston in 2013. Looks like Ortiz is just going to get a one-year deal, and if Boston has a chance to acquire V-Mart instead of re-signing Ortiz again for 2013, I think they’ll take it.

  45. Amakiir 3 years ago

    Halladay was NOT better than Verlander.  

    Fewer wins.
    Fewer starts.
    Fewer innings.
    Fewer strikeouts
    More hits allowed.
    Higher WHIP
    Lower ERA+
    Lower WAR

    Pretty much the only things Halladay did better than Verlander are walks and homeruns.

    Verlander outperformed Halladay by a significant margin.

  46. verlander 3 years ago

    I was with you until “wins.”

    But yes, Verlander was better.

  47. Pawsdeep 3 years ago

    They have a 3 year window to do it. This basically makes them a lock to win the central atleast 2 out of the next 3 years, and once you make it to the playoffs, then it’s a crapshoot on who’s performing well.

    I like this idea of pushing all your chips in. I’d say just trade turner for a 2b and gut the last of the farm of the don’t get real major league contributions from the kids ASAP. Illitch obviously has no time for patience.

  48. Vote4DougWilson 3 years ago

    Kinda what I was thinking. Castellanos is ’14 at best from what I hear. That’s around the time the rotation contracts all start expiring, as well as Victor. I say use him as trade bait for a good lefty starter. The Tigers have a window now to do some serious damage.

  49. cubsfanraysaddict 3 years ago

    misery team doesn’t come into play until the fourth year of this deal lol

  50. Amakiir 3 years ago

    Actually, Verlanders WAR last season was 8.6 and Halladay was 7.4.  You have it backwards.

  51. CC 3 years ago

    Obviously theyre gonna win the division but little to no chance of winning a WS.

    PS: Verlanders gonna do terrible

  52. I’m sure you’ll still be acting arrogant and smug when your petty team wins 0 championships in its “window” and the angels are again irrelivant playing in front of a empty stadium like they were the last 8 years before arte the simpleton tried to buy a championship.

  53. Lanidrac 3 years ago

    If you were over 80 years old, would you be patient for a championship?

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