East Notes: Hamels, Nationals, Detwiler, Orioles

While the Phillies have some interest in locking Cole Hamels up long-term, but it would appear that Matt Cain‘s $112.5MM extension complicated things for them earlier this week.  Where do things stand now between the Phillies and the left-hander?  More on that and other items out of the Eastern divisions..

  • Thirty days have passed since the Phillies last had contract talks with Hamels, according to Buster Olney of ESPN.com (via Twitter).  The club tried to lock the left-hander down to a deal similar to Jered Weaver‘s late last season (five-years, $85MM) but were rebuffed.
  • MLB.com’s Bill Ladson wasn’t surprised to see the Nationals demote John Lannan to Triple-A Syracuse while keeping Ross Detwiler on the 25-man roster.  Just two days after the Nats traded for Gio Gonzalez, a baseball source told Ladson that the club wanted to move Lannan as they felt that Detwiler was ready to breakout.
  • Orioles‘ 2006 first-round pick Billy Rowell has agreed to give pitching a try after spending six seasons in the minors as a corner infielder, tweets Steve Melewski of MASNsports.com (via Twitter).  The former ninth-overall pick hit just .227/.304/.244 in 41 games with the O’s Double-A affiliate last season.


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24 Comments on "East Notes: Hamels, Nationals, Detwiler, Orioles"


3 years 3 months ago

Did the Phillies really think a low ball offer like that was going to work?

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 3 months ago

Did with Halladay. That offer was from last season though (before Cliff Lee and Matt Cain signed). If that’s the best they’re offering RIGHT NOW, they’d have to be on some type of funky stuff.

I think Salisbury (who I trust more than Buster Olney) said the Phillies and Hamels were on the same wavelength as far as AAV but Hamels wants 5-6-7 years while the Phillies only want to do 4.

3 years 3 months ago

4 years though? Completely unrealistic for a 28 year old ace who will be the best player available. They must know that their preferred deal wont get it done.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 3 months ago

Probably a negotiation tactic. In the book, “the Rotation” by Todd Zolecki and Jim Salisbury, they had details about the contract negotiations between the Phillies and Cliff Lee and they tried to do the same thing with Cliff Lee twice during their negotiations… the first time being when they shipped him to Seattle.

dylanp5030
3 years 3 months ago

He could get a 3-4 year deal now for 24-25 per and then sign a 5-6 year deal after that if he wanted too really.

3 years 3 months ago


Did with Halladay.”

Seriously?  The two situations could not be more dis-similar.

3 years 3 months ago

Before Cain signed, they did. But Hamels all along has said that he intends to test free agency—and I suspect that that is just what might happen.

3 years 3 months ago

Hamels has never said that.

3 years 3 months ago

Agreed, Hamels has never said that to my knowledge.

3 years 3 months ago

I forgot apart of the negations the team is suppose to say ask the player what he wants as a starting point right??? last year when weaver signed his deal, the same as Felix and Verlander mind you, why wouldnt the Phillies offer Cole that deal, until the Cain signed his deal that was the going rate for the time and skill for him.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
3 years 3 months ago

Buster Olney – breaking last season’s news this season!

That’s an old offer, Busta Bust.  Dave Montgomery already said in the last few weeks that they understand they’d have to have room for a $20M player. And that was before the Cain contract.

Rabbitov
3 years 3 months ago

Billy Rowell = Napoleon Dynamite.  

PieroB
3 years 3 months ago

Lannan getting optioned? I wasn’t surprised I predicted it months ago … and got flamed for it let me tell you! Bill is way behind the curve, he had Lannan in his rotation as a #3 starter back then … silly Billy.

FS54
3 years 3 months ago

RD better pan out!

NatsTown
3 years 3 months ago

Really funny how he’s converting to pitching when he was the pick right before tim lincecum

Rabbitov
3 years 3 months ago

Gotta be honest, I don’t get the joke?  Rowell was considered a good pick at that spot.  He wasn’t a value pick like Snyder and Hobgood.  

3 years 3 months ago

I didn’t think it was a good pick at all because Rowell was drafted out of a parochial independent high school with short fences (lots of guys in double digits HR) and an easier than hell schedule. He hit a lot of homeruns over a 300 ft fence as a lanky lefty bat. He had the benefit of knowing the right scouts I guess. 

Rabbitov
3 years 3 months ago

That is a fair assessment and a really good point, but a lot of organizations thought his body would fill out and he would gain a crazy power stroke.  

I think the biggest mistakes were Snyder and Hobgood, but because of those mistakes, it makes other players that don’t pan out look even worst (like Rowell).

NatsTown
3 years 3 months ago

They didnt draft Lincecum because they didnt want to pay him and end up wasting money on a guy who’s being converted to a pitcher any way. Such a missed opportunity in a very strong draft

Rabbitov
3 years 3 months ago

That’s not really the whole story.  A lot of teams passed on Lincecum because they were worried about his size.  The thought was that with his size he would be injury prone at the major league level.   Obviously the Orioles, among other teams, were wrong. 

3 years 3 months ago

I wonder what about Ross Detwiler’s minor league numbers and major league track record gives the Nationals the idea that he is going to “break out”? 

Guest
3 years 3 months ago

clearly you have never seen him..especially 2nd half of last year

NatsTown
3 years 3 months ago

Top 10 pick, lefty, nice velo, and strong second half last year. Unbelievable upside. It’s either now or never for the young man

3 years 3 months ago

This happens in every draft.  To every team.

I know we like to poke fun at the O’s but come on.